The ES Models have always been stone cold reliable machines. Never overdone, just enough power to keep you satisfied and really a perfect example of basic luxury done comfortably.
It bugs me more than anything in the world that they don’t offer the V6 with awd all of its competitors have passed it by I love Lexus but they need to step up their performance and put the crown power train in the ES
Wagons are massively popular, except jacked up 4 inches and with black plastic on the wheelwells so the buyers can deny to themselves that's what they buying.
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Sweet camry. I could buy a 1million of 1million camry or pay more for the lexus badge. Yup nothing says I give up more than buying the same boring lexus everyone else has. Is it a Kia nope better built, but just as boring. Only thing Toyota makes that's interesting is built by BMW or Subaru.
@@naveenthemachine oh.....I was just shopping for a Sienna last year and thought they said no more V6. I guess that was just the Sienna. I stand corrected👍
Right on Nathan. Say it how it is. The sedan is NOT dead. Just because there are more CUVs than ever before, does not mean this class is on the extinction list.
In a perfect world where I can have multiple vehicles, I would always have a sedan in the lineup. Efficient, roomy, nimble. You don’t always need the cavern that SUVs provide you.
Honestly, yes, this class IS on the extinction list. Already gone the way of the dodo: RLX, Q70, XTS, Maxima, Cadenza, LTZ, Passat, Impala, LaCrosse, Avalon...
I'm a 51-year-old guy with a 2006 6 speed GTO and a Miata as my toys, 2 V6 Accord V6 coupes as my dailies. The Accords are now getting up there in mileage, and my 2017 is also quite disappointing due to cheapness with regards to interior fit, finish, and materials. The 2023 ES Ultra Luxury is now my go-to because it has a silky smooth V6, solid build, plush very, very quiet ride, and an excellent Mark Levinson sound system. AND it still has buttons, switches, and knobs! Plus, the classy analog clock!
Probably the best sedan you can but currently, smooth, comfortable, well packaged… in 20 years it will still be running and driving well, what other current luxury sedan can you say that about? In a world of more and more vehicles on the road that will be unfixable in 10-12 years this thing is the last of a breed.
Ultra Lux version for me, softer rider, quieter with double pane glass on that version and it is not a Camry. Just the doubling of weld points on ES vs Camry is a tell tale of superior build.
I test drove both and didn't really notice a difference in ride quality or noise. Personally I like the aesthetics of the F Sport better. The black and red interior with white exterior just pops.
@@dsewardj The F Sport has its strengths, and many do like its aesthetics better. But to say there's no difference in ride quality or noise is to say there's no advantage to noise-suppression measures and no ride penalty for stiffer suspension.
What’s so funny is that though this isn’t a sporty car, this is far more capable than 90% of SUVs that sedans are cross shopped against and are stealing their customers. I get that “sportiness” is something reviewers are use to talking about with sedans, but try to compare them to what it’s actually being cross shopped with/what is taking its customers along with other sedans.
I’m sick and tired of Zoomers and people in midlife crisis hijacking every discussion. Thanks to those clueless Neanderthals, luxury sedans are being phased out completely. If sedans still exist, 99% are sporty, rough and uncomfortable. Someone needs to tell these kids they’re not on the Indianapolis 500. Their fantasies don’t get to worsen my chronic pain. You can’t even get a comfortable Cadillac anymore.
The Selfish Useless Vehicles have higher payload. The ES, for example, has only ~400 kg of maximum payload. Even the compact SUVs like the NX has a max payload over ~600 kg. So over all, the SUVs are better for the unorganized who keep a truckload of household items in their car all the time.
Underrated segment. The whole group, especially this, TLX, Genisis, and the Volvo, have a great design so and have character without being gaudy. I ain't real sophisticated-like, but showing up somewhere in one of these sedans instead of an SUV is like wearing a well tailored suit.
@@naveenthemachine Genesis is junk !! And its not even overattedt !! Naveen it will remain your dream to see any crappy brand to stand above lexus !!! No one can compete Lexus !! No one
Reliability is the PRIMARY reason you get the ES 350. Shopped with my step dad this week and looked at the ES 350 (Base and F Sport Handling), CT5 V6, Camry, Audi A6 (big discounts right now), and Genesis G70/G80. He narrowed it down to the CT5 and ES 350. H thought the ES 350 was beautiful and luxurious, but he really liked the CT5 power and acceleration - 405 pound-feet of torque is no joke. That car hauls butt. One issue with the CT5 is their sunroof yields a big bulge in the rear seating area, with an indentation for taller folks. It's tight, and almost every VT5 available in the USA had the sunroof even though way more headroom without it. He also wanted to keep the final price under $55K while well equipped, and that was a bit challenging given what both Lexus and Cadillac was building. Every CT5 we found equipped the way we wanted was $58K+ after tax. He ended up with the ES 350 Base with Premium package, 12.3" screen and 18" wheels all for about $54K total. The CT5 equipped well gives you al LOT more stuff, but reliability is definitely a concern, but let's face it, every major car maker today is super reliable compared to 20-25 years ago. Also, the Lexus dealer by his house is fantastic, though Sewell is as good as they get as well. On his ES 350 I really wanted him to have the heads up display but Lexus refuses to make any of the base models with it, and to get it you had to spend over $5K more on an Ultra Luxury. The multi camera screen setup comes with the Ultra as well but I am not impressed with it and compared to the one from Hyundai/KIA it is downright terrible. The fake leather seats don't feel fake at all. Real leather ones are barely distinguishable from the NuLuxe ones. Oh, my step dad chose the Base over the F-Sport. It was a toss up and frankly I could tell the F Sport had a firmer ride. It saved him $2500 and got him just as good a car.
He made a good choice. I went from an Avalon limited to an ws 350 base premium. Funny the Avalon at 44k had more features than the es. Had the pop up display, rear window shade which I liked, as well as rear ventilated seats w heat. I would have paid a little more to get those features, but didn't want to pay as much for the es luxury model. Was about 57k . I do enjoy the luxury feel of the es compared to the Avalon and I wasn't able to get another Avalon limited before it was discontinued
Love the previous model ES. The latest model looks awkward in the rear quarter IMO. Build quality and dependability is top notch though. Hope lexus ups the power numbers on the next full redesign. They may get my business
If you are in the market for this vehicle do not get the F sport. It rides terrible there’s added noise with those big old 19 inch rims and honestly it’s sport plus mode is indecipherable from the sport mode. My wife and I went with the ultra luxury and wow it is so much better. Highly recommend going with what Lexus is supposed to be which is comfort.
@@upbeattvraw-hiphop8242 it’s so strange how usa words things, like full-size is E segment in Europe which they call medium, and D segment is compact executive which sits between compact and medium and somehow its called midsize here in state side, so technically ES/Avalon is full-size (E segment 5 series e class a6) while Camry is midsize (D-segment 3 series C class a4)
What Lexus should have done is offered AWD with the the ES350, not that laughably underpowered ES250. Then you’d have something. Its Camry roots show right through with this misstep.
It's not a "misstep" so much as a packaging limitation. There's physically not room in this sedan platform for both the AWD transfer case and the larger engine.
@@tonysterbenc That is no one’s problem but Lexus’. Doesn’t matter what the excuse or reason is. Design the car right from the start and you won’t have this issue. Same problems they have with the IS. They can’t package this with that yet the completion does easily and has being doing so for years.
@@tonysterbenc So to make a case for the ES you’re making a dumb argument about price and size when the market is full of AWD sedans? I mean really, no one is building a Buick type sedan like this anymore. It’s in class of one at this point in the luxury market. There are plenty of AWD SEDANS this size. They cost more because they’re not hobbled by having to use a family car platform.
@@MercOne Now you're talkin'. Except for the word "dumb," I agree with pretty much every word you wrote. But there's two ways of looking at it. The "glass half empty" way of saying it is "Other AWD sedans this size cost more because they’re not hobbled by having to use a family car platform." The other way is, "Using an FWD family car platform lets Lexus deliver a sedan with the room and ride comfort of AWD competitors for $10,000 less." And you know what? Even though you think that's "dumb," they still find 30,000 buyers for it, and I very much doubt they're about to apologize for the fact that they outlasted every competitor and now have that market segment to themselves.
i dont care what wheels drive the car rw,awd,fwd as long as the car drives good i have had them all and didnt think any was better than the other. yes they were all a little different but different does not mean better just different.
ES sedan needs more power Lexus needs replacement G's sedan and is 300 sedans is to small trunk is needs more power to 600 horsepower it lacks time for redesigned Ls 400 sedans.
Best in class !! Powerful buttery smooth v6 !! Quick acceleration !! Best in class cargo spacs !! Best in class trunk space !! Built like tanks !!! Best in class safety features !!
Refined, simple and elegant. Does the job perfectly which is to deliver its passengers from point A to B in comfort. Extremely fuel efficient. I see older generations all the time still running about on the roads.
It does okay, as most cars do. Winter tires have been found to affect winter traction more than AWD does. It will break the fronts loose on acceleration very readily, though. You'd want to drive it in Eco mode to mute the throttle response.
Your entire description reminds me of my 2015 MB ML350 suv. It had a 3.5L making the same 302HP but 273 torque with a 7 spd though. That was such an amazing suv. What the heck suv is governed at 134mph?? I personally hit 133, and that thing would smoke anyone who challenged me. That Lexus is probably the only vehicle that you have shown in months that I would ever consider buying..
Non-folding is how the ES has rolled for over 30 years. They replace the folding feature with a stiffening seatback brace. The non-heated is harder to forgive.
Doesn't the camry v6 does 0-60 in 5.8s-6.3s at sea level? Does this do it 1s slower at sea level because it has much more weight with all the luxury goodies or is your 7s estimate at sea level off?
I have extremely mixed emotions about this car. It has an elegant exterior, it is roomy and reliable, fuel economy is fair in every version fast and slow. They even fixed the infotainment. The problem is, it's just a Camry with more legroom and leather. So there is no real reason to buy it other than you like spending money on a car that will elegantly bore you for years to come. For the extra 13,000 vs the Camry at the absolute minimum it should have an LSD.
Stating my bias, I chose to buy an ES rather than a Camry. I recently drove a rental Camry, and it's a fine car with clear family resemblance. But there was a reason why I spent extra: The ES is better in multiple ways. Quieter, smoother, better build quality, better sound system, better dealer experience, better everything. Yes it's Camry plus, but the pluses are real.
To elaborate: Your original post said its only advantages are "legroom and leather," and "there is no real reason to buy it other than you like spending money." Now, it's not for me to decide just what you consider worth the money and what isn't. But the statement that there's no difference is just not empirically true. Compared to the Camry, the ES has: More wheelbase, more legroom, tighter tolerances, smaller body gaps, more thoroughly inspected parts, better paint with more layers applied in a separate paint shop, more structural reinforcement in the front and rear, more structural adhesives for body rigidity, more soundproofing in multiple locations, unique shock absorbers on non-F Sport models with a new design that took 6 years to develop, better sound systems, and nicer materials throughout the interior. The result, unsurprisingly, is a car that feels more luxurious and expensive. It's not the driver's imagination or ego-it's design, features and quality in excess of the Camry's. Again, whether you consider this worthwhile is up to you, but the difference is real.
@@tonysterbenc Honestly, truthfully, sincerely, the differences between the cars are like a 1992 Taurus and Lincoln Continental. Showing up in this car is like going to the court in new Chuck Taylor's and everyone else has the new Jordans. Then you say, "Yeah but these Chucks got special glue and foam in the insole!" That might be true, but you're still wearing Converse and Chucks were basketball shoes for people who are like 70 now. You can get a purpose-built Sedan with elite engineering and materials for that money. Don't fear change. Upgrade!
Yeah, but 2>1. Compared to the Camry, the ES has: More wheelbase, more legroom, tighter tolerances, smaller body gaps, more thoroughly inspected parts, better paint with more layers applied in a separate paint shop, more structural reinforcement in the front and rear, more structural adhesives for body rigidity, more soundproofing in multiple locations, unique shock absorbers on non-F Sport models with a new design that took 6 years to develop, better sound systems, and nicer materials throughout the interior. The result, unsurprisingly, is a car that feels more luxurious and expensive.
@@naveenthemachine but at that price point you might as well get the ES for a bit more, hence most Camrys on the road are SE and some XSE with rarely LE and XLE being a unicorn to find because at that price point u can go entry level German, es or TLX or g70
@@ToxicCookie the ES is still a Camry based car. You still get Camry driving dynamics but you pay significantly more. Not to mention you won’t get the same feature content in a base ES. If you’re going to a luxury car from a Camry or accord start with the TLX or genesis or a base 3 series. The IS is ancient so it’s not worth it
@@naveenthemachine the last ES based on the Camry was the 5th (2007-2012) generation. The last two generations (2013-2019 and 2020- present) are based on the Avalon.
I see you're the same troll who informatively posted "Lexus fanbois" below as an entire comment. Over 30,000 ES's were sold last year in America -- more than the 5 Series or E Class -- so, despite your obvious wisdom, not everyone who shopped for an actual car instead of masturbating at a keyboard in Mom's basement agreed with your astute assessment.
I had 2021 or 2022 ES350 loaner.....sucks in ride quality, fit and finish etc. Compared to 2016+ GS350. Should've junked it and kept GS line. So much better
The GS is better. But it also cost at least $10,000 more, and people weren't willing to pay it. It died because in the next class up from the ES, people lease the flavor of the week and they went German.
Ick, that edited in rappity tap "music" had me reaching to mute on the remote. Am I the only Gen X that is sick of this crap? There's a reason classic rock or even hip hop is easier on the ears! Now about the car, luv the color and execution but bemoan the loss of chrome trim. It seems glossy black is the new old king 👑
@@trevorhart5576 yeah me too but it's getting ridiculous nowadays with even big companies using this annoying ping ping taptap fake noise for even mainstream commercials. Please stop mofos!
No it’s not better in any way than the competition This shows Lexus is not a luxury brand. Reusing economy car platforms in more expensive vehicles is not luxury. The g80 is a much better car than this
@@wyw201 I think he’s a bot tbh, idek at this point, he loves Lexus and Toyota that’s that’s why always watching vids on them 😂 only Toyota he likes is his moms 2020 Camry
@@noahh1997 my Camry has the same v6. And better tech. Jokes on you And unlike you, I saved up for months after working and I paid for my car. Literally everything is in my name. Clearly your car has your moms name in the insurance and registration doesn’t it? OMG it does If there’s a Lexus that’s worth it it’s the LC500. That’s it. Nothing else.
@@naveenthemachine who said I had a Camry? I never said that first of all, two no it’s your moms car 😂 and the tech is good in both either way. Keep being a fanboy of fire hazards 💀
@@naveenthemachine I never said I had a Camry so you can continue making up stuff, I did say my mom got a new 2023 xse, like I said keep fanboying over that garbage overated company with those fire hazards. I’ve been in both the Camry and the es, there both very nice cars, the Es is much more luxurious both nice cars either way, you love Lexus and Toyota to be watching vids 24/7 on them, you clearly have nothing else to do, go back to your 8th grade class. Child.
