Well the Tasmania Devils are set to join the AFL. It's a great addition to the AFL but does beg a few questions, the most important one being which location will hold team 20?
I’m a Norwood member and I would abandon my AFL club if Norwood entered. I’ve been a Norwood member since 1987, plenty I’ve talked to feel the same. There’s only so many colours, keep the Red and Blue and have a clash jumper.
Me too. Not only are there plenty of us, there are many disillusioned Crows fans who could be "converted" to a "real" club that is not Port. Add current only Norwood fans, Norwood fans who follow Port in AFL (there are actually a good number), plus new fans .. could get 20k plus to games to start. Norwood WANT it. They couldn't do much worse than a combined 3 flags in 61 combined seasons for Crows and Port thus far!!! 😮😅
Newcastle would be a joke. Canberra has to be the next team up. If they want a new team in SA or WA, add two new for each state, and then Canberra makes a 24 team comp.
I’ll make a club, call it team Gary, win a premiership or 3 because it’s named after me. Do this until a 20th eventually team comes into the comp, pull out to make it fair for the rest of the teams
Norwood would be a perfect fit. The Crows were a soulless,contrived mishmash born out of an acrimonious period at the birth of the AFL. The Port-Norwood rivalry would be a sensation on the national stage.
If Norwood gets accepted (they won't), they might as well bring in Sturt, North Adelaide and the rest of the SANFL teams as well. The fact that we cannot bring all these teams into the AFL is why the Crows exist in the first place. They represent all the other teams in the SANFL. Norwood is already represented by the Crows. Port got an AFL licence because they won the most premierships and were the most powerful team in the SANFL, they rightfully earned their AFL license. The bottom line is that Adelaide cannot support another team; Port and Crows can't even sell out Adelaide Oval. Andrew Dillion has already hinted that (while he respects the history of the club) Norwood will NOT get an AFL licence.
@@rhysh2639 Port got the licence by playing Judas on the SANFL....I recall this period intimately. Norwood were offered a licence in a clandestine manner but out of respect for SANFL process passed it up,a grave error with hindsight. Port had greater differentiation from Crows thus nabbed the second licence,it was nothing to do with their history. The entry of Tassie has changed the whole AFL dynamic. The door is now open for expansion and smaller teams with WA3 and SA3,Canberra or NT. The Crows were essentially a Glenelg construct at inception. Norwood would rapidly pull their supporter base back from the Crows and the city would be neatly divided into 1/3's. Support would be drawn from 450,000 for the 3 teams,a competitive number given we are Aussie rules state. WA3 will be strong competition given their greater population however this of higher migrant base proportionally. If WA3 do get the nod next then SA3 with Norwood will follow logically. This is a new era of AFL expansion,fascinating times.
@@timdixo It all sounds good in theory, but unfortunately Adelaide cannot support 3 teams and neither can Perth. Crows and Port can't even sell out Adelaide Oval. Port Adelaide were in dire straits back in the early 2010s and resorted to covering half the stadium in tarps to try and obscure the poor attendance. Imagine if a Norwood team was in the same position as Port were, they would be much worse off and would be in danger of folding. Plus the AFL wants to grow the game and expand the talent pool, putting another team in an area that's already AFL heartland does not do that. The AFL were even hesitant to put a team in Tasmania, because it is already an AFL dominant area despite not having a local team. Putting teams in areas like Canberra or NT will attract more young kids to play the sport. A Northern Australian team that plays in both Darwin and Cairns would be a reasonable option for a team (since the NT population is too low). Don't get me wrong, I think Norwood would be great to have in the league (if it was possible) but they just wouldn't be sustainable. Adelaide is just too small of a city for 3 teams. A population of 1.4 million just doesn't cut it.
Norwood is the obvious and probably best choice. However the AFL shouldn’t make the same mistake as they did with Port and force them to abandon their identity
Yeah Bunbury in WA I think would be the best option, it’s about the same distance from Perth as Geelong is from Melbourne, it’s the highest populated country town in WA at 46,000 but you’d likely see people from the entire southwest jumping on that team and they already have a super competitive league in the south west that in recent times has generated heaps of AFL stars
Bunbury is the biggest shithole. Busso or Margs would garner support from the whole South West and would also capture a percentage of West Coast supporters as their second team. Joondalup would be more realistic because they would also use Optus until a potential renovation at Joondalup Arena.
I don’t know enough about WA to comment on Bunbury itself. But definitely think the next team has gotta be in WA - whether it’s your suggestion, Joondalup, or elsewhere in the state. WA is already footy state, and its population is rapidly growing. Should easily be able to support 3 teams.
Give Canberra the 20th team with a population of 450000 with high standards of living. GWS Canberra games out do their primary home games with the city having a history of Aussie rules.ACT cricket went to upgrade Manuka to may have a BBL licence and play in the sheffield shield so a Canberra bid could piggyback off it’s. With the odd number of teams, the team who sit out for Gather round play a game in Adelaide( or the host city) in the round before on a Monday and the SA team their played have it gather round game on a Saturday night or Sunday. Play more games in the NT
Playing an extra game on Monday wouldn't work, who is going to play two games away in Adelaide, just so everybody gets a game in Adelaide. Unless it's port or Crows it's unlikely, and then do you want Port or Crows playing Monday? To then back up for a huge game a few days later in GR
@@74_pelicans someone will have to be left out of GR with 19 teams. let said that the Western Bulldogs missed out, since their played an away game against Port in the round before. I picked Monday because it is close to GR and have 5 days for Port to recover for a Saturday night game and doesn't have travel .
GWS should have been called West Sydney Canberra. I guess its too late now. I reckon if you gave Canberra 11 games a year what crowds would they actually get? How about sponsorship and corporate support that is so critical. Only benefit is to stop NRL and to have more of a presence in regional NSW. My advice is that clubs like St Kilda Bulldogs Melbourne should be playing Giants there both HOME and AWAY. That would immediately give GWS 6 matches in Canberra each year. Sydney could also join in and play Hawks home and away in Canberra. If clubs like Melb and Bulldogs get to play their enough times, including preseason and train, then they will be competitive in Canberra and any advantage to GWS is nullified.
Canberrans don't count GWS as Canberran. Newcastle is pretty much the same size as Canberra, but Canberra has the fans. Get the Giants to play a few games there to build up a fanbase. Canberra has the largest unrepresented AFL fanbase of any city. Greater Canberra has four times the population of Darwin. We have a 40% higher median income than Perth. Travesty that we weren't included. Happy to help with Canberra info if you ever make another video.
Newcastle is also close enough to Sydney that people can travel there on game day. And it doesn't have a cricket ground that is high enough capacity to support an AFL team.
They're about to do a big revamp of the area surrounding McDonald Jones Stadium in Newcastle, making it an 'entertainment precinct'. I think it's madness that those plans don't include plans for a boutique oval stadium similar to GWS's Sydney Showground to give the city a realistic tilt at an AFL or Big Bash team. Missed opportunity. @@glurgbarble7268
Well said. Canberrans absolutely do not consider the Giants to be their team. There's zero link between Western Sydney and the Capital besides the highway. There are also far more footy followers in Canberra than there are in, say, Newcastle. We have a long history of the game in Canberra with long established clubs like Eastlake and Ainslie. We have the interest in footy, we have the disposable income, we have the population growth, we have the AIS, we're right here on the east coast and we're the nation's capital.
GWS should have been called West Sydney Canberra. I guess its too late now. I reckon if you gave Canberra 11 games a year what crowds would they actually get? How about sponsorship and corporate support that is so critical. Only benefit is to stop NRL and to have more of a presence in regional NSW. My advice is that clubs like St Kilda Bulldogs Melbourne should be playing Giants there both HOME and AWAY. That would immediately give GWS 6 matches in Canberra each year. Sydney could also join in and play Hawks home and away in Canberra. If clubs like Melb and Bulldogs get to play their enough times, including preseason and train, then they will be competitive in Canberra and any advantage to GWS is nullified.
Norwood would be the no-brainer. Any match involving either the Crows or Port Adelaide at Adelaide oval will be a sell out, as would any match held at Coopers Stadium. I think you gave its capacity as 15,000, it is capable of holding 25,000 and that will probably be lower than the membership. There are no set up cost for the AFL, it's all in place to roar to life. The problem is that interstaters have no idea how popular the SANFL clubs actually are. In 1976 Port Adelaide V Sturt GF they lost count after 66,000 attended. People were sat along the boundary line. Don't underestimate the SANFL, its a strong league and even if not smooth it can handle transition between AFL and the State League quite comfortably. The major hurdle will be the SANFL cut in the deal as it will be lucrative without doubt, many South Ausies are well and truly ready for the Redlegs V Magpies(Power) battle to begin at the highest level once again.
Canberra (although I do wish it would be NT) surely has to be next, by far the biggest market that is still fully just untouched. Most people from Canberra just really dont go for the giants, and the support would absolutely be there for a standalone team
Canberra is definitely the obvious choice. Has the facilities, the fan base and is literally the capital. I'd love a Darwin/NT team but it will cost a lot, same as a NQL team which is also an untapped market. Another WA or SA team would work but is basically cutting into a market that's already there. Newcastle would be a great spot in theory, especially with it unlocking the massive market of north coast NSW (something that the NRL team does well), but has the setback of putting a team in a rugby league strong area, competing with an A-League team as well for fans, and doesn't have an AFL sized stadium (McDonald Jones Stadium is great for a rectangle field but not an oval). The other option, which is definitely the biggest gamble of all, is following rugby league's decision from 30 years ago and taking the game to NZ. The biggest criticism of AFL is that the sport doesn't matter anywhere else, and taking the professional game to another country would bolster its international interest. Although the team itself hasn't had individual success, the Warriors has had a massive impact on rugby league in NZ, and an AFL team could do the same. It all comes down to how big of a risk the AFL wants to put into the 20th team. They can go big and place the team somewhere which could have big benefit but also fail financially, or secure a safe option that further increases the size of the game.
GWS should have been called West Sydney Canberra. I guess its too late now. I reckon if you gave Canberra 11 games a year what crowds would they actually get? How about sponsorship and corporate support that is so critical. Only benefit is to stop NRL and to have more of a presence in regional NSW. My advice is that clubs like St Kilda Bulldogs Melbourne should be playing Giants there both HOME and AWAY. That would immediately give GWS 6 matches in Canberra each year. Sydney could also join in and play Hawks home and away in Canberra. If clubs like Melb and Bulldogs get to play their enough times, including preseason and train, then they will be competitive in Canberra and any advantage to GWS is nullified.
Newcastle will never happen. NZ needs to start having games in an AFL stadium in Auckland. That's years away as cricket can't get their stadium there properly sorted yet.
Good video but surprised it didn't cover Canberra and New Zealand as the most valid ideas. New Zealand offers more growth - and Canberra has a lot of interest in AFL already without a side
GWS should have been called West Sydney Canberra. I guess its too late now. I reckon if you gave Canberra 11 games a year what crowds would they actually get? How about sponsorship and corporate support that is so critical. Only benefit is to stop NRL and to have more of a presence in regional NSW. My advice is that clubs like St Kilda Bulldogs Melbourne should be playing Giants there both HOME and AWAY. That would immediately give GWS 6 matches in Canberra each year. Sydney could also join in and play Hawks home and away in Canberra. If clubs like Melb and Bulldogs get to play their enough times, including preseason and train, then they will be competitive in Canberra and any advantage to GWS is nullified.
Didn't feature Canberra because the Giants are heavily based there but I get the thinking behind it. Just seems the AFL has put in a lot of work getting the Giants a foothold there.
A lot of inconsistency with reasoning and some things just plain wrong; Another Perth or Adelaide team have exactly the same pros and cons, and Perth doesn't have 2.8 million people. There is also the incorrect conflation of population with market. The Hunter region might have almost 1 million people but it does not have an AFL market of 1 million. Canberra deserves more discussion. It does already have 4 professional sport teams. Sunshine Coast/Moreton Bay will have 1 million people soon. They only have a netball team and a new NRL team. If the criteria is population, markets, and growing the game then that should also be a part of the discussion.
WA has 2.8 million. Perth 2.2 million. With growth rate is expected to hit 3 million within 8 years. Perth is a lot more feasible due to the population and the wealth of both existng clubs. It will come down to whether WA football commission accept that a third team will lead to them having more money and more consistent revenue or not. Under the model, both Eagles and Dockers pay considerable dividends to WAFC each year and that runs junior development and the WA footy system. WAFC will only say yes if the arguments stack up. AFL is likely to agree if it means that they don't have to fund any shortfalls in WA footy development.
GWS own Canberra they just have to do it better by Vic clubs and GWS / Sydney playing home and away matches there each year. Straight away that would mean 8 games per year. Then you can look at the sums.
If you watched the Gather Round games at Norwood on the weekend, nobody else would be in front of Norwood for the 20th licence. Coincided with the Norwood Food and Wine Festival which was very well attended. It's a given that SA is the festival state and it outs on the best sporting events that are second to nobody. Population has nothing to do with the decision, it's participation. Norwood are ready now, unlike Tasmania. That is a huge sticking point for other areas where the emotional decision is often overlooking the logical choice.
@@gregrobins5615 If SA is the festival state, then Adelaide is the mullet capital of Australia. Its great that you're patriotic to SA, but the lack of population and the fact that population growth is so slow will stop a third team from happening. I would say that SANFL does have more interest than WAFL. In WA there is little interest in WAFL really. Tassie isn't ready that's true. I'm not convinced about Canberra and definitely not Darwin or N Queensland. But a team in SA just isn't going to happen. Sorry for disappointment. If WAFC want it and push hard for it, then it will squeeze out any team in SA. Question is whether they will want it.
@@gregrobins5615 In the end if WAFC don't want it from PErth then there is no way it will happen. If WAFC lodge a compelling case to the AFL then the AFL may very well listen. As the case would be about how WA footy is best funded. Two teams is a risk if both teams are doing badly. So time will tell.
Sheedy is the only smart guy left in the game when it comes to expanding the code. Newcastle and Canberra is where the game needs to go. These were both AFL strongholds many decades ago, but the AFL didn’t give them any respect and the code languished until it died. Though to be fair Canberra still has a lot of footy fans but no team to support, even though the Raiders have been there for 40+ years taking all the focus. More teams in NSW is how the game gains traction. More teams means more coverage on TV, radio and newspapers, more awareness and more free to air televised games. The road to success will be long but the payoff will be enormous. A truly national competition vs a QLD/NSW state league.
A permanent team in Canberra would be best. GWS only play there when their home ground in unavailable because of the Sydney Royal Easter Show. They could easily play at the SCG for those 2-3 matches, or even schedule a bye for them in that period.
As someone who has previously been heavily involved with AFL in Newcastle( since 1978) , I nearly choked on my coffee when I saw this. The AFL is at best a part time game in Newcastle /Central coast area. It has no AFL standard grounds, no finances and no substantial team sponsorships ( one club gives it player of the day a free subway each week).Many years ago the then NSWAFL attempted to get a Newcastle team to play in the Sydney competition....it failed . Many years ago there was an AFL standard ground used in Newcastle but it has now been turned into a rugby league ground and the Newcastle Knights use it. Whilst the standard of the game in Newcastle has improved greatly...there are NO AFL STANDARD players locally...you would have to draft the entire team from elsewhere. I think a permanant team in Canberra is much more likely to succeed .
Why? Pisses me off when they bring international teams into competitions. Raptors, Breakers etc. Make your own league. Goal isn't to make the league international. Leave it with a 20th AUSTRALIAN team and stop fucking expanding
@@mitchhansen8132as much as I'd love to see a team in Wellington, you probably hit the nail on the head. My only experience with AFL is from my Aussie Mates or playing it a little bit in PE
GWS should have been called West Sydney Canberra. I guess its too late now. I reckon if you gave Canberra 11 games a year what crowds would they actually get? How about sponsorship and corporate support that is so critical. Only benefit is to stop NRL and to have more of a presence in regional NSW. My advice is that clubs like St Kilda Bulldogs Melbourne should be playing Giants there both HOME and AWAY. That would immediately give GWS 6 matches in Canberra each year. Sydney could also join in and play Hawks home and away in Canberra. If clubs like Melb and Bulldogs get to play their enough times, including preseason and train, then they will be competitive in Canberra and any advantage to GWS is nullified.
If Auckland had a proper Cricket Ground with MCG dimensions, and 40k a NZ team would be great. Black, White, and silver Guernseys. Call them the Falcons like the int team. You could have 8 or 9 games in Auckland and 2 or 3 in Wellington a season and have a gather Round in NZ
@@BDub2024 Yeah at the old Western Springs stadium. I personally think it should be in South Auckland, I know it is a Rugby League stronghold, but it would make it easier for people from the Waikato to attend games. I'm from Hamilton, and I would like to watch, I don't think Seddon Park would have a big enough oval to have the odd game. But I would love to see Collingwood play in NZ. I always like them cause they have black and white colour, plus I love magpies I think they are funny and cheeky birds. Not a bandwagoner either, I got my first Guernsey in 2007.
@@michaelcampbell8112 There needs to be 6 games in NZ each year to see if it works. I don't really understand why games aren't currently being played in Wellington. Surely NZ tourism is doing some sponsorship of the games. But needs games in Auckland too. First let that happen for 15 years. Then of course look at a team.
I wonder if you could do Mandurah at the far outer suburb of Perth. 80km from CBD. They could also service the South West and be called the South West Thunder (using Peel's nickname). They would also play in Bunbury. It would hurt Fremantle's support though.
Outside the square there could be a team in the Swan Valley with large expansion in Ellenbrook and other suburbs. Plenty of footy fans out there. But would they shift teams is the question. They don't exactly have a footy heritage when you go deep into the new suburbs.
The 20th side has to be Canberra, they have the population and the people there will support any code. Make the colours Bright Green, Royal Blue & Gold. GWS need to focus solely on Western Sydney, because I feel that them playing games in Canberra is counter-productive to their growth in the Western Sydney region. Plus, people in Canberra deserve their own full-time team. As for the Northern Territory, there would need to be a "Northern Australia" team. Have them based in Cairns for one half of the season, then move them to Darwin for the second half. One game per year in Alice Springs. That is the only way a NT team would work. A Newcastle/Central Coast team should come after that, to even it out after the Northern Australian team. Then cap it at 22 teams. Expand to 20 first, then wait maybe 10 or 20 years for the next 2 teams. WA does not need another team and neither do SA.
@@gregrobins5615 It won't happen, there is nothing to be gained by putting another team in SA, especially when the Adelaide AFL teams have struggled in recent years. The AFL want to grow the game and attract new fans, SA is already a footy-mad state. Most people there already support either the Crows or Port. Andrew Dillon basically hinted that he doesn't think a Norwood side is "sustainable".
@@rhysh2639 If you watched the channel 7 report shown in SA and Victoria, Dillon was very positive about Norwood. The AFL clubs are not in favour of more composite sides joining the AFL. Norwood are ready now as witnessed by the Gather Round support. It's not based on population, but participation. The AFL are well aware of Norwood and their strong community work, strong supporter base, success, rivalry with Port and the fact that Norwood helped out the Crows AFLW side. The AFL aren't necessarily looking at new markets but going back to looking at the best established club outside the AFL.
GWS should have been called West Sydney Canberra. I guess its too late now. I reckon if you gave Canberra 11 games a year what crowds would they actually get? How about sponsorship and corporate support that is so critical. Only benefit is to stop NRL and to have more of a presence in regional NSW. My advice is that clubs like St Kilda Bulldogs Melbourne should be playing Giants there both HOME and AWAY. That would immediately give GWS 6 matches in Canberra each year. Sydney could also join in and play Hawks home and away in Canberra. If clubs like Melb and Bulldogs get to play their enough times, including preseason and train, then they will be competitive in Canberra and any advantage to GWS is nullified.
@@BDub2024 This is a bigger question of the fairness of the home and away concepts. It needs a revamp. I think it should be equalised on the km travelled each. An away game for a Victorian team against another Victoria is more or less a home game because of the lack of travel. We should be aiming to fix this. Also, GWS, yes, is excellent for CANBERRA but really are needed to penetrate AFL in western Sydney, after the 3 games in Canberra they only have 8 in Sydney, if CANBERRA had their own team this would allow GSW to actually do what they were created for, and that is to be a Parramatta and western suburbs beacon for AFL in Australia’s biggest city.
@@vegetarianfoodie9091 Vic clubs just don't travel much in comparison. I think Vic clubs should be playing home and away matches in regional areas such as Canberra, Darwin and N Qld during the season. Home and away eliminates giving away a home advantage. GWS Syd Bris and Suns should be involved too. But not Perth or Adelaide teams that rely on having 11 games in their home city. Whereas some Vic clubs can play 16 or more games a year in Melbourne.
I reckon the WA team is a great idea but i would also make it more of a “North-West” team, representing NT like how giants do Canberra. Play a few games up there a year but based out of WA. Gives you the player and supporter base from NT but with the financial stability/viability from northern WA.
Joondalup Falcons, you guys have Freo and they're still nothing compared to Eagles, no point getting another Southern team to steal Fremantles already small fanbase.
@@jackhudson2237nah- as far as afl clubs go, freo have a relatively large fanbase and at that, the south west region of wa is far enough out of perth that both sides are equally supported. As someone living very close to Joondalup, it’s not viewed as its own city- it’s just an urban centre in perth, a city that doesn’t rlly have the population for 3 teams. Having a south-west team would be much more viable for the new club
@jackhudson2237 Hey? The South West doesn't support Freo because it's marginally closer than Perth. Most of us support West Coast. Then Freo. Then the rest of the teams in the league. Location doesn't have anything to do with our support.
How many people down there are willing to pay for a membership for this Bunbury team? Ask yourself that. Because another failed franchise is the last thing the AFL needs. I already know the answer to this question because the closest team in the WAFL to Bunbury is Peel, nobody likes Peel.
New zealand would be good but the Afl gets no crowd there. WA is dominated by West coast. Maybe SA could get a team. Northen Queensland or Northen Territory are solid options but there is a few logistical issues there. Canberra is also good aswell. It should either be them or NT to solidfy the Afl as a national Comp. Eventually they can look into playing matches overseas where there is interest, like in the US.
Get a team in Mandurah to the south and the south west. Problem is that it could eat into Fremantle support and Mandurah is a sleepy old town where people love boating, fishing and crabbing...
Now now this will take a bit of shuffling but nt Darwin with reserves at Alice. Then combine sa and wa state leagues to create a western state league and a eastern state league with tv rights being able to be sold for these leagues as part of afl tv rights. Then with those a super cup for the east v west leagues champions to become for say a quasi state of origin like champion as not only will there be teams solely from certain states with no afl alignment but also afl based reserves that strengthens will be their biggest weakness given the best players in said teams could be removed by injury suspension or promotion
2 Things 1. Gather Round wont work with an odd Number of Teams because the whole concept of Gather Round is every team is playing in 1 state and you cant do that with an odd number of teams 2. If the AFL want to go Risky is the AFL could Potentially expand into NZ. the Main logistical issue with that is NZ and WA are 4 hrs apart in the Winter and 5hrs apart in Summer which while AFL is A winter sport when talking about time 3 od 4 weeks of the season are played in the Summer
The Eagles and Dorkers should skip the Gatherround anyway. Its really tough for all the travel that they do and to have another away game and all the extra travel for Gatherround is quite unfair.
Until there are at least 5 AFL games in NZ each season it can't even be a consideration. They've stopped in Wellington which is stupid. Then Auckland cricket and govt can't get their cricket stadium sorted. They are wanting a replacement with AFL involvement too. But there are a few steps away from that occurring. So Auckland needs to be finished and they need games at Auckland and Wellington first.
Brisbane definitely needs a 2ed team and preferably anon cricket stadium or at lest one that accomodate a drop in pitch now that Victoria parks a option love to see a horse shoe stadium there “Saturday night football and a city skyline can’t beat that”
Perth is set to go past Brisbane in population size soon. Perth is an AFL state so they should obviously be the choice. Qld should only have two teams max.
Perth is probably the safest, I mean look at Wet Toast have a massive member base and still get good crowds, Freo is doing pretty good in that regard also, it's a big city, it could possibly have 3 teams.
Despite being a mighty hawks fan, i will move to newcastle if we get a team here. We have a big afl community here, despite being nrl strong, with clubs such as newcastle city blues, cardiff hawks, lake macquarie dockers and more. In addition, there are manh places here where stadiums could be potentially built. Suchas the old Cardiff hawks ground near glendale shopping centre being in a similar area like where newcastle knights rugby league are located. But as stated in the video, newcastles government has to fund the stadium before anything. Praying we get the big thumbs up Edit: nickname ideas Newcastle leapords Newcastle thunder
AFL will definitely want a 20th team at some stage, that is an extra game a week to sell for the next broadcast deal. The talent is there you just need teams in the right places. Expansion into rugby league strongholds is not a good idea personally. The Giants have been very successful on field, yet fail to draw big crowds. The AFL should stay well clear of Newcastle. The 20th team should represent northern Australian (Darwin & Cairns), with the odd game in Alice. Think of the home grown talent there. Plus footy is popular so they will bring crowds. Still gets what the AFL wants, teams in rugby league areas, but can also fall back on the NT as an Aussie Rules territory. I'd also even consider moving the Giants to Canberra on a permanent basis as they always draw big crowds there, and then bring the odd game to western Sydney. I also think moving a Melbourne team to country Victoria would be a big win. Either the Bulldogs or Kangaroos (probably the Bulldogs as they already play in Ballarat, can still be called the Western Bulldogs). Unless the AFL wants 21 or 22 teams I don't see a third Perth or Adelaide team working. Will be a hard sell to convert established fans.
@@jackhudson2237Wrong. Multicode town. Less AFL than Victoria, but more AFL than any other city north of the Murray. Canberra would have more unrepresented AFL fans than any other city.
@canberrapear7219 this is a very biased opinion for you. Just curious, how many members do you think this Canberra club would get? Because the AFL needs to bring in clubs that will make money rather than lose it.
@@jackhudson2237 Biased, but informed, as I actually live in Canberra. Every single workplace I've been in has favoured AFL. There are more footy clubs than league clubs. We used to favour AFL even more so before we were neglected. A Canberra team would probably get around 35-40k members. And we'd be financially viable. We'd likely get $2.85m in local funding, plus Manuka naming and sponsorship rights, so we'd have about a $5m a year headstart over somewhere like Perth. Plus that fact than Canberrans are wealthy. We have a 41% higher median income than Perth. So you can charge more for memberships, and our broadcast value is greater per capita.
So after the West Coast debacle today, is there really anyone in WA who would push for a third licence on their recent performances ? Come on AFL, just tell us that Norwood are in and everyone can move on !
i think bring in a New zealand team its promoting the game they wouldnt need a new stadium realistically, its an untapped market as well with some 30,000 active players already im sure a NZ team would get massive support
It’d have to be based in Auckland once the test cricket debacle is solved with an oval stadium built which the AFL and St Kilda would be watching closely was officially announced that they’d bring a team in there in coming decades like the NRL, A-League, Netball & Basketball which would only stack up before the NT or Canberra would the rest of Australia just isn’t viable yet ⚪️⚫️ would be similar to the Falcons International side AFL is growing over there biggest market outside Australia 🇳🇿
I think a North Queensland AFL team should be considered as well. With the tropical climate of Darwin, an east coast timezone, 4-5x the population of the Top End and growing with all the Victorians moving up there, plus also being closer to where many Aboriginal players come from, Townsville or Cairns would also satisfy the AFL's mantra of growing the game.
Agreed, if you split australia in half vertically pretty much 0 teams are on the top halve (depending which side the qld teams fall under) and cairns already has a half decent completion
Newcastle is too nrl focused, gws, Brisbane, Gold Coast are bad enough, even the swans are dwarfed by nrl in their own city despite being one of the most recognisable and sizeable sporting teams in australia. Give the team to an area that actually cares about the sport.
I don’t want a 20th team. Didn’t even want a 19th. It’s matter of volume, not geography. I am fine relocating one or two or five of the nine clubs in Melbourne. But the more clubs there are, the less any club has success. Big leagues around the world suck because it’s so rare for your team to actually win.
NT and North QLD will combine for the 20th team it will called the Northern Bulls. 8 in NT 3 in North QLD. 7 Games in Darwin, one in Alice Springs, Mackay,Townsville and Cairns. WA will be excluded because of Eagles and Dockers.
As someone from Newcastle I can attest that hardly anyone cares about AFL here. You'd need to spend 2-300mil on a Stadium that no one will be willing to pay for.
Perth could hold 3 teams but would hurt Eagles and Dockers. It would need to be proven to the WA Football Commission (who own Eagles and Dockers and get a dividend each year) that it would be more profitable for them. Eagles and Dockers fund WA football junior development. AFL choose not to support WA junior footy unlike other states. They would play at Optus Stadium, and then there would need to be huge discussion to determine whether its feasible for all.
I think the economics make more sense if instead of a NT team it was a Northern Australia team with a duel home in Darwin and either Cairns or Townsville
Monsoon season is June to August. Not good for crowds. Ultimately that is what we are learning from the Alice and Darwin one off games. But want them to continue, but hard to justify 10 of those games a year
There is no interest in N Queensland. So no real economic sense. Better to have Bris and Gold coast playing matches there. They could play clubs like Bulldogs and North both home and away in N Queensland each year. That basically, means you could have at least 4 games in N Qld each year. As its home and away clubs don't gain an advantage as both have to travel. Also consider a Gatherround part 2 each year, where all clubs except Eagles and Dockers play games in development hubs. That would pump games into centres too. Also consider a round of practice matches in these key places before season starts.
I believe a team there would work, however it has to be a long-term plan. The AFL needs to host premiership matches in the area and work on generating more interest for the game in the Hunter region (as well as the Central Coast). Yes, it's a rugby league area but unfortunately rugby league is a dying sport, modern parents don't want their kids playing rough contact sports anymore (especially with all the concussion research that has come out recently). Australian Rules Football has been watered down significantly to make the game more attractive for future generations, you cannot do the same with Rugby League without turning it into "touch footy". There are even talks of phasing out tacking in the AFL and making it a non-contact sport like basketball or soccer. I don't mind Rugby League as a sport but unfortunately it won't be very popular in future generations, there's just too much contact and hard hits. Newcastle is also MUCH larger than Geelong in terms of population; about 3 times the size.
@@Enishiat0r I don't think you understand the Southport Sharks. Firstly, you clearly aren't aware that they are based on the Gold Coast... the same Gold Coast where the suns are based. Secondly, the "50k members" are because they operate like a leagues club... they have like 9 different bars/restaurants, a fitness centre, a hotel and an events centre. It's not "50k members" that watch the sharks play or even support the sharks... it's a social club.
Personally think that we shouldn't go to 19 and 20 as that will just create two more teams that are uncompetitive on the weekly. There will always be crappy teams at the bottom of the ladder I understand but the last few years with North and West Coast has shown the current talent pool is being stretched to its limits and that will only get worse as more teams are added. The current training programs in place for draftees is better than ever and we are seeing more talented and AFL ready 18 year olds each year, however I doubt that the improving standards will be able to keep up with the expansion of the competition. All for Tassie getting a team and maybe the NT, but someone has to make way. An easy pick for a team to remove is Gold Coast because they haven't done anything in their 14 years so far and have no history or fanbase, but if there is to be another team after Tassie then a tough call needs to be made imo. North would wanna get out of their rut soon before the draft gets further compromised because currently they are absolute rubbish and their fanbase is barely showing up.
1. Canberra 2. Newcastle 3. Norwood (3rd SA Team) 4. WA 3rd Team NT is just not viable for a national sports team, climate, population and marketing and logistics just can’t be sustainable.
Great video but you need to brush up on your Joondalup pronunciation game 😂 And why are you hating on Norwood? 😢 Fantastic club, unlike some plastic no-history franchise from Nowheresville WA
On-field success and off-field success are two different things. Freo's membership base may not be spectacular and it'd no doubt be more impressive had the club won atleast one Premiership by this point. But it's hardly a failure. Yes, being 1 of only 2 clubs in an AFL-dominated city of 2.3 million helps them a lot. But that's the whole point. There's absolutely room for a 3rd club in Perth.
They will never do it but the actual answer is to cut Gold Coast from the competition. Has the same population as Tasmania but is almost exclusively rugby fans. Adding them before Tasmania was such a stupid decision.
Gold Coast has so many Victorians that its a guaranteed option. No doubt. You can't hand over a prime AFL base. Remember in Melb there is massive immigration and they don't follow AFL. Meanwhile people are fleeing Vic for Gold Coast and Qld, so there needs a strong footy presence there.
I think that the best option is to reduce the number of Melbourne based teams, several of which are only kept afloat by the “socialist system” of salary cap and draft. This is in stark contrast to the “unfettered free market” situation which allowed the AFL (formerly VFL) to become much stronger than the SANFL and WAFL in the 1970s and 1980s though using their fat cheque books to pilfer all the best players from SA, WA, etc. The AFL is very unbalanced with too many Melbourne clubs. However many Victorians are too arrogant to concede that some Melbourne clubs should go either through merger or relegation. Proud non-Victorian clubs with a century of tradition and sound financial administration such as Norwood (in particular), North Adelaide, Sturt, and various WAFL clubs have been consigned to second tier status and I contend that these clubs deserve an AFL licence every bit as much as clubs like Footscray/WB, North Melbourne, St Kilda, who, historically, have struggled financially. What about mergers to produce the Melbourne Hawks, Carlton Kangaroos, Essendon Bulldogs, St Kilda Tigers, for example? This would allow new clubs from Canberra and NT (genuine clubs not transplants like Sydney Swans or Brisbane Lions) while keeping club numbers small enough to have a properly fair season competition where each club plays all the others twice, once at home and once away, rather than the current unfair situation…?
NT should be the only option. NSW can't sustain another team due to lack of interest and competing with rugby. QLD already has two one of which struggles as it is. WA / SA don't need an additional team. Could always expand into NZ.
NT basically get crowds because of freeby tickets. No base that would pay to go each week. Then any club needs people happy to pay $100-$150 a ticket to go and sit in premium and corporate boxes. NT. couldn't do that. No way.
Nobody here (except me ) seems aware of the economic angle Which is rather important for a pro sports league!!!!! No team requiring a permanent subsidy is going to cut it. The ONLY option is WA 3 which is Perth 3 given the nature of the State. Norwood? The SA population is much less than WA and the economy is much MUCH less. (Go and look up these numbers)
WA3 and SA3 are the way to go. There's obviously complexity in choice of a new team from WA. In SA it's clearcut. Norwood has the fan base to reactivate,the passion and corporates at the ready. The Port-Norwood rivalry needs to be showcased on the national stage at some point.
@@rajivmurkejee7498 I'm very aware of the GST carve up. SA's been burdened for decades by a government more focused on "the Voice" distractions than unlocking our Uranium and other minerals as WA has done. What I would say the population is football fixated with less dilution by immigration. It can definitely support 3 teams with the Crows,Port& Norwood into 1/3's.
WA would be the best option, Northern team, Central team and southern team. Joondalup Falcons Perth Eagles Fremantle Dockers Eagles are already a massive club and we cant have another southern club that risks cutting Fremantles support in half. What better choice than introducing WA longest surviving club, the Falcons into the AFL. A new franchise club wont succeed in gaining Support from the Eagles in the northern suburbs, it has to be a prehistoric WAFL club. Just like what SA did with Port Adelaide.
@bwood2462 exactly and Gil McLachlan made an announcement that the AFL would explore Auckland for expansion for New Zealand in the coming decades but the test cricket stadium debacle in the cbd keeps dragging on with proposals at Western Springs, Colin Maiden Park and Victoria Park now but until that’s been resolved the AFL will then look to seek expansion there and they only made announcements about the NT and Canberra as well nothing about a 3rd WA or SA side a population like Tasmania or higher will play a role
@@jamesmunn867 in the meantime i don't see why NZ tourism and AFL can't help sponsor AFL home and away matches in NZ in Wellington. Maybe some practice matches in Auckland to build profile.
@bwood2462 agree the Saints will still be trying to go back and play there but likely waiting on an Auckland proposal with a new 20,000+ oval studium instead where it’ll be more viable first and head back to Wellington afterwards a trial no doubt the AFL will be interested in will also increase broadcasting rights
If the AFL does not expect Tassi and Northern territory to build big stadiums then yes they can build a side and grow it. The problem is the AFL expect a stadium that will hold the capacity of bigger teams like Collingwood ect which would never make the journey up north unless it was a final. That is the only situation that a bigger stadium is needed when these teams make finals and everyone wants to watch. Well people should just miss out or they can move the game to another venue until they have enough capacity seating at their home ground. I do not like any other idea for a 20th team unless it is NT. It is not Australian until it has covered all states.
You have a 60k stadium in Perth. Problem solved. NT relies on freeby tickets to fill the ground. No premium seating or corporate boxes hardly. Won't happen.
Just like the video states, wanting an NT club in the comp is emotion-driven and not logic-driven. Everyone would love to see a team based in Darwin, but it's just too small of a place. Plus, a considerable amount of people up there are not locally born residents and have connections elsewhere, and are often not living there on longterm basis. The Darwin community is not as tight of a community as is what's lead to believe. Oh, yes. And many of those short term residents are from NRL regions, so good luck trying to convince those AFL haters to pay $ to watch more than one single AFL match let alone sign them up as members of the local club.
@@eddielong8663 How would they get crowds of 20,000 for 11 matches of the year? Remember currently a lot of free tickets are given away. To make enough money they need lots of premium seating sold at $100 plus per match... then all the corporate stuff.
Canberra is probaly the best location. 400k people in canberra plus an additinal 100,000 living within 2 hours. Could serve as a southen NSW team the Rverina, also south east nsw batemens bay and the coast. This doesnt dilute the SA, WA, or queensland teams. NT just doesnt have the infrastructure, population, or wealth for a team.
Calling Norwood an irrelevant team screams of vicbias. They are the second biggest team in sanfl. Port Norwood is a pies blues rivalry level. Although NT or Canberra should be first, a third SA team makes perfect sense.
@@most6771 Yes. There are some stalwarts in their fanbase but generally speaking the majority support the crows. Mainly because Norwood were one of the main clubs that pushed for the crows to be formed as they didn't wanna see Port Adelaide join the national comp.
Apart from some old stalwarts how many Crows fan would convert to Norwood? Adelaides been in the competition for over 30 years now, for people under 40 do they have much attachement to Norwood, they have grown up as Crows fans.
You left out a strong option, which is a standalone Canberra team. A team in Canberra would free up four GWS games a season, which could be played in Newcastle. So in the short- to medium-term, Newcastle is covered. Canberra is traditionally a rugby and NRL town, but the nature of Parliament, the defence force, and the public service means there will always be a strong contingent of residents from the southern states. It has over 500,000 people, more than the population as Tasmania, concentrated in one metro area. A team there could potentially secure additional members by playing some of its games in Albury-Wodonga.
GWS should have been called West Sydney Canberra. I guess its too late now. I reckon if you gave Canberra 11 games a year what crowds would they actually get? How about sponsorship and corporate support that is so critical. Only benefit is to stop NRL and to have more of a presence in regional NSW. My advice is that clubs like St Kilda Bulldogs Melbourne should be playing Giants there both HOME and AWAY. That would immediately give GWS 6 matches in Canberra each year. Sydney could also join in and play Hawks home and away in Canberra. If clubs like Melb and Bulldogs get to play their enough times, including preseason and train, then they will be competitive in Canberra and any advantage to GWS is nullified.
Canberra was traditionally actually more of an AFL town. Although league and union were also played there, it wasn’t until the Raiders and the Brumbies joined that AFL fell behind whilst the other two shot up
@@trainco1643 that's right. But I think we should get Sydney and GWS working the city of Canberra better. Then see if its worth having a club knowing that you can't keep having unsustainable sides being propped up by 5 clubs.
@@BDub2024 very few in Canberra is interested in GWS, just the hardcore AFL fans. We'd rather support womens sport than an AFL side that we already subsidise that carries GWS as its name. I'm not supporting any AFL team until we get one in Canberra.
@@JustinWatson23 GWS is ridiculous. West Sydney Giants is far more sense and connects Western sydney suburbs to the team more than GWS ever will. Giants Western Sydney. I still think the acronym means nothing. Only planners use the term greater. I'm happy for Canberra to be added to the name. Get more games into Canberra and if the fans turn up enforce then the AFL will act for sure. But in the meantime, Giants is just propped up and you can't have half the teams in the comp being propped up by Eagles, Crows Collingwood and Essendon.
The afl would push for a Norwood team imo as they are established, Adelaide has showed their passion for footy and the stadium is there. However none of these options are great yet. We need more time
Simply because they're not that obvious. Ditto for all the eastern seaboard. The AFL clubs are not that keen on more composite sides joining the competition. Emotional decisions are not logical, hence why Tasmania are still not settled.
