The 3 Muslims and GodLogic FULL DISCUSSION! 

Well done you inspire me. Keep learning brother.

You are on the wrong path dude I’m a revert to Islam of one year im 19 dude do not listen to David wood cp sam and even god logic. David and sam have been destroyed in debates by Muhammad hijab and others these men are liars and don’t even know bisic Arabic they spread miss information. Why do you thing Avery did not want ijaz to join the discussion. the tree Muslims are not known for debates god logic knew this. he is not trying to debate Muslims that can debate.

Amen Amen 🙏 you got that holy calling my brother. I came to Christ at 17, and my sister who I'm watching over in the faith is 13 like you and very pious and in love with our Lord. God finds his saints in every generation.

amen I hope you’re grow your knowledge

@@Anasd33n How long will you hide behind the Arabic excuse? It's lame and pathetic. Either Arabic is such a crappy language that has so many interpretations that the best Arabic scholars get the translations wrong or allah is so ambiguous that everything he says has multiple meanings. Either way the exclusive use of Arabic for allah, makes allah racist as he discriminates against the everyone else. That is just sad.♥️👍✝️🤗🙏♥️

🥰☦️. I admire you seeking the knowledge yourself and being sincere

“Forty two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother’s name also was Athaliah the daughter of Omri.” (2 Chronicles 22:2) “Twenty two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign; and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother’s name was Athaliah, the daughter of Omri king of Israel.” (2 Kings 8:26) Was Ahaziah 22 or 42? 😂

@@ChErRyaVe20pK. There are different theories addressing this issue. More important than that is, Muslims are the only ones who think this is a problem. The most common understanding is that it’s a copyist error. There’s also a theory that Ahaziah was crowned king as co-ruler with his father at the age of 22. He ruled for one year and then they were attacked and kidnapped and taken away for 20 yrs and when he returned at the age of 42 he was crowned king again. This isn’t the gotcha that you think it is.

@@ChErRyaVe20pK doesn't matter, typos happened. bible is not like your Quran. dictated, you believe it was direct speech of your God who taught by pen but failed since Muhammad couldntt read and write, or could he?

@@ChErRyaVe20pKYes because it is unbelievably important to know what age he specifically was. I can’t possibly life without that super important knowledge!!

that's right. We decide things by the Quran. What agrees with the Qur'an we take, what disagrees we reject, and the rest we don't accept, neither reject. We have uncorrupted revelation from God to decide right, wrong, corrupt, true, etc...

How convenient.

@@morghe321 dude, that's easily common sense. God revealed the Quran to guide humanity after Christians have corrupted the message of Jesus. Of course it's expected to tell humanity what's right and what's wrong. We believe it's the literal word of God. Of course it's the measuring stick. In these verses it says that the Quran is The Standard, The Criterion, a divine yardstick that helps us filter truth from falsehood in other texts : 3:3-4, 5:48, 25:1, 2:185 In these verses it says that the Quran was revealed to clarify, explain and make clear to people previous texts : 16:64, 27:76-77, 16:43-44, 10:37, 5:15, 12:111

@@tacom0nsta658 Surah 5 47, do you know more than your god?

@@tacom0nsta658 no that is a contradiction either you accept scripture as a whole if you decide to quote a verse in the Bible you don't get to cherry pick and twist verses to show Muhammad is in the Bible the only time Muhammad is in the Bible is when it talks about false prophets

I would absolutely love to see you debate some of these guys like this

Lying and manifesting is another pillar of Islam 😂

And no outcome. This is what happens when you don't preach that which pierces the soul. I am not condemning Avery but this kind of discussions have little to no outcome. When Jesus and his disciples preached, the listeners either picked up stones to throw at them or hit their knees to the ground in repentance. One of the two.

@@j2shoes288 There is no man-God. Muslims are good at making things up just like their prophet. It is God Who became a man.

@@j2shoes288 what man-god? God like unto man, is not the same thing a man like unto God. What are you talking about?

​@@Just_in_RichUh you can't convince anyone to convert, at all!!! That's God's right and the person who is preached to has to will it as well, I don't care how well YOU can preach or recite the Gospel, if the person isn't ready or has a hardened heart then it's unfortunate but no dice... You pray for them after you plant the seed, any conversation any good faith about Christ is meaningful.

@@j2shoes288 'What is a man-God? It makes no sense" - It is actually the God-Man. So, you need to be corrected on that.

Exactly. They're hypocrites. Always will be.

Jesus will burn people alive. Matthew 3:11: "... he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:" Jesus teaches his followers to mutilate themselves. Matthew 5:29-30: "And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell." Jesus says he's here to spread violence, not peace. Matthew 10:34: "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." Jesus says your own families are your enemies. Matthew 10:35-36: "For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household." Jesus uses an evil demon to cast out devils. Matthew 12:27: "And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges." Jesus is possessed by a devil. Mark 5:15: "And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil..." Jesus degrades a poor woman asking for help by calling her a dog. Mark 7:27: "But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it unto the dogs." Jesus teaches his followers to commit suicide. Mark 9:45: "And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:" Jesus is apparently made out of the Father's semen. 1 John 3:9: "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." Jesus gets kidnapped by the devil himself and is tempted by the devil. Luke 4:5: "And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time." Jesus commands his follows to murder all of his enemies. Luke 19:27: "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." But proceed to tell me how these are taken out of context, Christians ;) I look forward to seeing the mental gymnastics you use to avoid actually following these violent, barbaric teachings. Repent from your idolatry and follow God. Also, it is hilarious how the Old Testament has so many colorful verses like Psalms 137:9, which says: "Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones." Crazy how the Bible literally teaches infanticide, and let's not forget how Jesus graped his own mom when she was twelve and commanded racist genocide.

As a muslim, I must admit that Logic showed respect that isn't evident in any other Christian debates. Well done. I do not mean to disrespect Logic here, but his argument is not valid for the following reason: Logic's argument is only valid on the assumption that the Quran does not imply that parts of the Torah or Injeel are corrupted, but that all of it is. The3Muslims did not provide the following verse with invalidates Logics argument: "O People of the Scripture, why do you mix [i.e., confuse] the truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know [it]?" - 3:71 The implication of this verse shows that the scriptures had some truth and some falsehood, meaning that parts of the scriptures were altered and corrupted.

@@agp4580 The reason that doesn’t square, despite your hopefulness for it to, is because the Quran also claims to confirm the scriptures that came before. So does that mean the whole scriptures? Or just the claim of believing in “One God”? Because it turns out that no matter how much you deny it, Christians do believe in One God. The Quran is ignorant of History. It also claims to be a book that makes things clear, yet leaves out, in Allah’s cognitive dissonance, facts about History that are inconvenient to its narrative.

@@agp4580 Q. 3:71 has nothing to do with scriptural corruption. The verb there is labasa, which means 'to clothe' and thus they 'clothe/conceal the truth with falsehood.' This is just to do with concealing the truth, which the Quran accuses People of the Book of, particularly J3ws, numerous times.

exactly they’ll worship textual critics of the bible like bart erhman… but when scholars poke holes in their narrative, they’ll say stuff like “they don’t understand our theology” even if i grant them the argument for preservation of the quran, that is useless, plato’s texts could’ve been preserved but i won’t accept his version of “The One”.

So true. You put into words what I’ve also noticed about muslims.

Bro you absolutely nailed it.

@@Sosarchives the difference is that bart ehrmans claims are mainstream scholarship, and I've yet to hear anyone say 'the quran is preserved, therefore Islam is true'

It already came, ali dawah already debunked them

Lol young don got his shit mixed... Also i can say the same.. Without lies... Christianity dies... Like the trinity

​@@the_son_of_manyoung Don was a new convert at the time of his debate. You cant compare a new born to a seasoned warrior 😂😂😂😂😂

@@boricua4ver lol he should've said that when he joined boasting about how his man god is king lol... Go worship a man buddy.. The 3 muslims are the reason don doesn't believe in the trinity

@@the_son_of_man like alla without the veil and the version of alla with the veil, like when he put his saxy veil on and entered the lowest parts of the heavens as described in your qrun, which is him entering creation. tick tock tick tock, scientfiic miracles debunked, cant wait for ali to debunk more, there r soooo many

That's exactly how it goes

Let me answer your question then. The bible has DEFINITELY been altered there’s no doubt, there are also tons of different bibles that say different things. The Quran CANNOT be corrupted because there is a line of transmission that you can actually go look for yourself dating back to the time of muhammed, so we know there were no alterations. The same cannot be said for the bible. Another thing that people misunderstand is what Hadiths mean a Hadith is not the Quran, it is the words of muhammed, there are strong Hadiths and weak Hadiths. Strong Hadiths (much like the Quran) have a reliable line of transmission while weak Hadiths have questionable lines of transmission meaning there MIGHTVE been corrupted and alteration so we take those with a grain of salt and don’t actually think them to be accurate words of muhammed. The bible has no line of transmission and many alterations so we cannot say it hasn’t been corrupted, if there was a change it can be corrupted (much like weak Hadiths) we should take it with a grain of salt and not actually believe them to be the actual words written how many thousands of years ago. I’m happy to answer any other questions you might have! - theology major

@@noxartorias6553 simple question for you. Since Quran can down with no dots or harakat, why do Muslims today read a man made book with dots and harakat.

@@noxartorias6553lol do u hear urself? “The Q can’t be corrupted bc there’s a line of transmission”? Ya…that’s called HEARSAY in the normal world and by a bunch of ppl u CANNOT prove existed. U can’t even prove ur profit existed! Ur #1 Q is by a guy whose Hadiths are rejected bc he was a known liar and story thief and worse, his mentor had memory probs and learned the Q from his mothers husband. Real reliable lol. Just bc someone inserts that his uncle’s brother’s father said is meaningless. U have ZERO EXTERNAL SOURCES. U have ZERO ARCHAEOLOGY. U have ZERO ORIGINALS OR EVEN COPIES BC UTHMAN DESTROYED THEM ALL! And let’s not forget ur own sources admit no Q was complete at the time of Mohammed’s death so WHO COMPLETED UR QS? What few “manuscripts” u do have prove the very problematic qi’rats and harufs while still others show words and sentences being written over, crossed out, erased, AND DIFFERENT. I dare u to test the “transmission”. Tell someone something specific and write it down then hide it. Tell them to repeat what was said and so on to 10 ppl and revisit that 1 mo later. Have them repeat what was originally said. No cheating. It’s literally nothing more than gossip. Hearsay is so unreliable that it’s thrown out of courts all thruout the world, yet here u are pretending like it’s bullet proof. Hardly. The only certain thing u have is ur blind belief and if u think that’s good enuf to bet ur eternal soul on then may God help u. And by God, I mean the Living God, not the invisible god who apparently forgot his name.

@@3JS2001 the dots and harakat were added because the Quran originally wasn’t written down in chapters it was all written randomly throughout the book and after 23 years completed which is when they added the dots to complete the entirely of the book. They could not add the dots in the first year of the Quran’s reveal and the years after because it didn’t come down completed it took 23 years to completely be written. That is the answer.

Lol now it is 4:14 for me. Praise the lord.

😂😂😂

As a muslim, I must admit that Logic showed respect that isn't evident in any other Christian debates. Well done. I do not mean to disrespect Logic here, but his argument is not valid for the following reason: Logic's argument is only valid on the assumption that the Quran does not imply that parts of the Torah or Injeel are corrupted, but that all of it is. The3Muslims did not provide the following verse with invalidates Logics argument: "O People of the Scripture, why do you mix [i.e., confuse] the truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know [it]?" - 3:71 The implication of this verse shows that the scriptures had some truth and some falsehood, meaning that parts of the scriptures were altered and corrupted.

@@agp4580 The Surah you shared could also mean that the Jews and Christians know the truth that is written in their Books but they lie about it. For instance, Muslims believe Muhammad is prophesied in the Bible, but the Jews and Christians reject it. The Surah could mean that we reject Muhammad through misinterpretation of our own Scripture. Doesn’t a hadith claim that Muhammad placed the Torah on his laps or between his laps and claimed that he believed in it?

​​@@agp4580as a muslim you should be ashamed of your apologists. If you cannot tolerate Christian behaviour during a debate do you think christians can hold off that behaviour from muslim apologists. Allah forgot to teach the apologists of Islam some manners. They are so arrogant that Ali dawah took a chair from hatun while she was about to sit. This is actually very childish and think about this Christians never behave in any typical muslim manner to abuse and humiliate someone as your popular apologists like Ali dawah, Mimi hijab and the famous Ahmad deedat do all the time. Ahmad tried to scare Josh macdowell and a fellow christian apologist who was from Arabia and was very few of his time to debate deedat as a Christian who knew arabic very well.

Muslims say that about every single debate. They're delusional

Muslims always do this even if their guy lost. Islam encourages dishonesty

@Soufian-ng9ul Could Muhammed read or write? How did he get the Quran written? If it was possible, then why was it impossible?

@Soufian-ng9ul Top left didn't refute anything just nodded. Bottom left was in his own little world speaking to himself. Top right was smiling but didn't refute much, he pushed back and then he got pushed back.

@Soufian-ng9ul So does the Quran affirm the Injeel and the torah or not, because the muslims didn't make a good enough argument, I'm left confused by there answers.

These same guys say an illiterate Muhammed revealing an elegant Quran is a sign of divine inspiration. Double standards.

exactly, thank about it. we confirm the gospels are written but numerous authors but yet so eloquently written and put to together ina time this was rare. scripture that fits together like legos. this is only more evidence on divine inspiration

@@hubertagamasu6283 You are spot on my friend.

I don’t want to ruin the fun and I do think the Gospels are very good stories. But the Gospels of Mark and Matthew are not well written. Especially Mark is horrible Greek. Luke is and John are better but to the elite in Greece still not very good.

@@brambes1804 i assure you, you’ve ruined nothing.

I was thinking the same thing. The Eloquence of Isaiah is obviously divinely inspired as well

Glory be to Allah alone and peace and blessings be upon Jesus his messenger

​@@JosePerez-uq8zz Allah is Satan 👹👹 Jesus is God ✝️🙏

​@@JosePerez-uq8zzYour allah never exist Islam is just a private revelation with out any verification. Its up to muhammed. 😂

​@@JosePerez-uq8zz*Isa his messenger* Corrected

Fun fact: “lord” in Ancient Greek is κύριος (kurios), which means “lord”, “master”, “ruler”, “sir” etc. The term “lord” is used for people all over the Bible, Abraham in Genesis 23:11 for example. So the phrase “lord Jesus Christ” from the Bible doesn’t contradict the Quran and islamic theology. This is a perfect example of “twisting scripture” with your “tongue” aka language as the Quran says: *_”And indeed, there is among them a party who alter the Scripture with their tongues”_* (Quran 3:78)

There is contradiction in english language when i dont know english😂😂😂

​@@mansor3032the Quran has many internal contradictions as well as contradictions with the texts it affirms

@@av088r i want that Quran. Can you tell me where can i get it..

In his mind only 🤣🤣🤣👍

hhhhhhhhhh teach them their Quran are you fool understand your trinity first

Dude is a dope

I was listening likehe has no answer 😂😂😂😂😂😂

😂 man's Ohio

​@_zaaphiel he said honestly. Unlike you muslims who with lies and dishonesty think you are winning debate 😂😅

If you're a Christian, please don't say Omg. Taking God's name in vain is a pagan/worldly practice. And the Bible says God's enemies take His name in vain.

@@MaliciousMudkip so you should say oh my allah

@@MaliciousMudkip oh my god

Show me the trinity from the Bible and we can talk about the mental gymnastics next

Yet he would let Sam shamoun ambush young Don, double standard

​@aspreedacore it was an open panel where people can ask questions and Sam happened to be there to ask questions. And challenge don. The open panel isn't a place where you say no to people joining. I get young don didn't want him there but he did not need to be part of the open discussion. Also the things young don complained about I don't fully agree with him. He said Sam dragged his name. But sam only called out the heresey of don. He also called him a heretic (unborn implying not saved) He says Sam bashed his name but really Sam gave his opinion. Just like don. Don was nicer about it but don quickly forgets what he was saying to allen parr and other Christians but thinks its OK to cry about it when it returns to him. I don't think he deserved all of what Sam said but he might need harsh words to get out of this hersey. He reads the bible wrong

@@Jonathan-tw4xm It is a heresy, monolatry is the truth trinitarians and Unitarians alike have to literally pretend the word god is not in a verse when it doesn’t apply to Jesus, the father or the Holy Spirit more so on the Unitarian side. For example who did David sing praises to in psalm 138? Unless it’s a private call all video conference talks that are public is open by default? The3muslims didn’t invite others out of respect for avery

'Avery played that very smart, by not allowing Ijaz Ahmed to railroad and ambush him" - I do agree and as Avery explained that Ijaz Ahmed goes after the person instead of the person's argument. Aldo Ijaz Ahmed is also very well known to dox people. So, Avery made a smart decision to only keep it between the 3 Muslims and himself.

@@Thanos-kp5jrenerally can’t stand ijaz. He’s such a disgusting human. I can’t believe he’s Sabir student because Sabir is usually much more respectful

As a muslim, I must admit that Logic showed respect that isn't evident in any other Christian debates. Well done. I do not mean to disrespect Logic here, but his argument is not valid for the following reason: Logic's argument is only valid on the assumption that the Quran does not imply that parts of the Torah or Injeel are corrupted, but that all of it is. The3Muslims did not provide the following verse with invalidates Logics argument: "O People of the Scripture, why do you mix [i.e., confuse] the truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know [it]?" - 3:71 The implication of this verse shows that the scriptures had some truth and some falsehood, meaning that parts of the scriptures were altered and corrupted.

they already had the discussion

@@mohammedmaster672 can you please send the link?

@@allandeverythingatonce Its right here bro. You're about to see it lol

@GodLogicApologetics Thanks Avery. THANKS FOR spreading the LOVE of our LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST. GOD BLESS YOU And for exposing the evil cult of islam.

​@@GodLogicApologeticsbro this is how it should be.Proud of u.Create more topics also like Jesus fullfills all the prophercies and Isa didnt.Make them realise Our Jesus is not Their Jesus.Also the characters of Allah and Yahweh.❤Good job

Muslims are shady liars man, that’s why. A 100% honest Muslim doesn’t stay a Muslim. The ones that stay despite being shown the errors do so because they’re liars and are shady. They can’t be honest and instead dance around, deny, and avoid. It’s already been made clear to me that every Muslim is deceived and in darkness.

Godlogic claims that the Quran doesn’t theologically affirm the modern “Bible”. While the Quran explicitly confirms that the Bible is corrupt (2:79, 3:78, Jeremiah 8:8) and that it’s a “criterion”, “master” and “guardian” over it, that doesn’t mean that it doesn’t confirm truths that are contained within it, like Muhammad ﷺ being foretold. The Quran claims the following in 7:157: *_”Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in what they have of the Torah and the Gospel, who enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them what is wrong and makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits for them the evil and relieves them of their burden and the shackles which were upon them. So they who have believed in him, honored him, supported him and followed the light which was sent down with him - it is those who will be the successful.”_* Can this be found in the modern “Bible”? Under all of the layers of mistranslation, mislocations of biblical place names, scriptural misinterpretation etc, yes-we do indeed find this. Here’s are just few examples: *A GREAT NATION FROM ISHMAEL:* The Bible records that Abraham prayed that Ishmael might live before God. God ACCEPTS Abraham’s prayer by saying He has “Heard it” and says that He will make a “great nation” out of Ishmael and his descendants. [Genesis 17:18-20] This is confirmed by the Quran in surah 2:127-2:128. According to the Bible, Ishmael’s descendants are the Arabs [in Ezekiel 27:21, “Kedar”, a son of Ishmael]. *PROPHET LIKE MOSES FROM THE “BRETHREN” OF ISRAEL:* In Deuteronomy 18:15, Moses speaks to the nation of Israel in the singular (just like in Deut 23:7) and foretells the coming of a Prophet like himself who will arise from their BROTHERS. Israel is never his own brother anywhere in the “Bible”, so this is clearly talking about the other nations descending from Abraham, in which case the Ishmaelites are included (see Genesis 16:12). So based on this, we know the prophet like Moses will not be an Israelite, but most likely an Ishmaelite seeing as the “Great nation” promise to Ishmael has yet to be fulfilled at this point. Also, Deuteronomy 18:18 says the “Lord” will put His words into this prophet’s mouth. The Quran is direct Word of God, making the Quran a literal 100% fulfillment of this prophecy. *NO PROPHET LIKE MOSES EVER AROSE AGAIN IN ISRAEL:* Deuteronomy 34:10 further confirms that the prophet like Moses can’t be an Israelite, because it clearly states that no prophet like Moses ever arose again in Israel. This was said after the death of Moses. So any prophet after Moses, including Jesus, is excluded from being the “prophet like Moses” in Deuteronomy 18:15 and 18. *PROPHECY OF A LIGHT FROM THE LAND OF ISHMAEL:* In Deuteronomy 33:2, Moses is shown a vision before his death. First he’s shown the Lord’s light coming forth from Mount Sinai (reference to the Moses and the Torah), and then to Seir (which is located in Judah, a prophecy of Jesus and the Injeel), and then to Paran (land of Ishmael/Arabia, Genesis 21:21) where the “Lord” is said to come with “10,000 holy ones” and a “fiery law”. “10,000” number is a prophecy of the companions that Muhammad ﷺ led to conquer Mecca after the hijra (see Sahih al-Bukhari 4276) and the “fiery law” is the Quran. This would be the fulfillment of the “Great nation” promise to Ishmael, and ever since then, Islam expanded across the Arabian peninsula and the world over. *GENTILE “LAWGIVER” FROM THE “VALLEY OF BAKA”, FROM THE “HOUSE OF GOD”:* “Baka” is the ancient name of Mecca according to the Quran in 3:96, and the Quran says baka is a blessed place which is “a guidance for the worlds”. Psalm 84 speaks about a “valley” called “Baka” where the “House of God” is located and a spring (Zamzam comes to mind), as well as a parched land where people do “pilgrimage”. Bible scholars don’t know for sure where the “Valley of Baka” is, and it remains a mystery in biblical scholarship. But its obvious that it can only be Mecca, as David himself dwelt in Arabia according to Psalm 120:5, and prayed that the God may raise a “lawgiver” among them in Psalm 9:20 (see LXX). In Psalm 84:6, some translations like the Septuagint say that the “lawgiver” or “teacher” will grant blessings here. This is a fulfilled prophecy. *THE PROPHET LIKE MOSES IN THE “GOSPELS”:* The gospels prove there was an expectation of a unique prophetic figure who was not the Christ. In John 1:20-21, “John the Baptist” is asked if he’s “Elijah”, the “Christ”, or “the Prophet”. He denied being all three. In John 7, people are debating whether Jesus is “the Christ” or “the Prophet”, and the Pharisees in John 7:52 say, “Search the scriptures, for the prophet does not arise from Galilee” (see NLT footnote). Jesus started his ministry in Galilee, so he can’t be “the Prophet”. *ANOTHER COUNSELOR AFTER JESUS:* In John 14:16, Jesus states that the “Father” will send *_another_* Counselor after him, the Greek work used here is “allon”, an inflected form of “allos” which means “another man, another of the same kind”. Since Jesus was flesh, man and a prophet, and was referred to with the same Greek word “Counselor” in John 1:21, then this “Counselor” will also be flesh, man and a prophet. This same Counselor is also foretold in John 16:5-15. Christians claim this is talking about the “holy ghost”, but according to John 16:7, Jesus must _leave_ before this Counselor can come, and we know the “holy ghost” was already present in Luke 1:67, Luke 1:41 and John 20:17-22 while Jesus hadn’t yet ascended. Also, Jesus received the Holy Spirit in Mark 12:28, and gave the power of the Holy Spirit to the disciples in Mark 6:7. Plus, the “holy ghost” wasn’t of the “same kind” as Jesus- a man and a Prophet. Christians also point to John 14:17 about the “Counselor” dwelling in the disciples as proof that it’s the “holy ghost”, but John 14:19-20 debunks that and proves that to be metaphorical. This prophecy is also mentioned in 61:6 of the Quran.

Not to mention Isaiah 42, of course.

@@PaulTheApostateno one’s reading that essay bud.

@@Blessed_Sound😂😂😂 facts

@@Blessed_Sound Pretty stuck up for you to think that that comment is meant for your type to read. Go listen to your rap music.

Without LIES Christianity is CRUCIFIED

@@PaulTheApostate Jesus did die on the cross and He ressurected from the Tomb. The idiot who told you that Jesus did not die is a 9yr old child rapist. His name is muhammad.

@@PaulTheApostate Without LIES from Muslims, Allah is really a Satan

​@@PaulTheApostatedoesn't ring well I guess if you believe no one could write a book like the quaran guess you would be able to craft a better rhyme😅

With lies Christianity thrives

Exactly. He asked one of the most important questions that that would determine whether he would be a Christian or not to a friend. A ‘devout’ Christian apparently. Why would you not dive deep & go to an Orthodox or Catholic priest for an answer? That’s exactly what I would do if I was losing my faith that was given to me. It’s sad because he’s lost to Islam now purely from laziness & ignorance. I hope he can come back ☦️✝️

Is lam is not the people of the book. Learn your qur an🤣

As a muslim, I must admit that Logic showed respect that isn't evident in any other Christian debates. Well done. I do not mean to disrespect Logic here, but his argument is not valid for the following reason: Logic's argument is only valid on the assumption that the Quran does not imply that parts of the Torah or Injeel are corrupted, but that all of it is. The3Muslims did not provide the following verse with invalidates Logics argument: "O People of the Scripture, why do you mix [i.e., confuse] the truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know [it]?" - 3:71 The implication of this verse shows that the scriptures had some truth and some falsehood, meaning that parts of the scriptures were altered and corrupted.

@@agp4580 as a Muslims you should know that Mu ham mad was a pedophilia. Mu ham mad was not Abrahamic 🤣

@@agp4580 your argument is not valid . i think muslim apolgogist want softer people to discussion bcz they will probably drag them up if it is dvid wood or chrisitan prince

​@agp4580 Actually, I think 3:71 illustrates Avery's point even better than some of the other verses he brought up. The view that Avery is espousing (that the Quran merely states that the people of the book distort Allah's word with their words and interpretations and not the text itself) was actually the same view that was held by practically all Muslims for the first three centuries of Islam. The Quran is pretty clear that none can change God's words (in 6:115 for example), and it also says not to make distinctions between God's revelations (2:136). The earliest Muslims understood this. Al Razi (b. 865 AD), one of the most famous early Muslims scholars, often called the "imam of imams" stated: "How could there be any alteration in the Book whose words' sharpness has reached a great level of circulation in the East and in the West? … For no change can occur in a book that is well circulated among men. Every wise man can see that the alteration of the Bible was impossible for it was well circulated among men of different faith and backgrounds." Al Tabari (b. 838) stated:"the first one which came into existence, is the Torah, which is in the hands of the People of the Book...As to the Gospel which is in the hands of the Christians, the greater part of it is the history of the Christ, His birth and His life." (He specifically uses the Arabic Tawrat and Injil here, meaning he understands the books in the possession of the Jew and Christians to be the actual books identified in the Quran) Ibn Abbas (muhammed cousin and companion) stated: "They corrupt the word” means “they alter or change its meaning”, yet no one is able to change even a single word from any Book of God. The meaning is that they interpret the word wrongly." and "The word “Tahrif” [corruption] signifies to change a thing from its original nature; and there is no man who could corrupt a single word of what proceeds from God, so that the Jews and Christians could corrupt only by misrepresenting the meanings of the word of God." There are even more early Muslims who could be quoted saying the exact same thing. So now, with this understanding of early Islamic views on the subject, let us return to 3:71 "O People of the Book! Why do you mix the truth with falsehood and hide the truth knowingly?" It specifically states that they hide the truth KNOWINGLY. How could they know the truth if it was not passed down to them accurately? They clearly have access to the truth, they just purposefully distort it's meaning. Even Ibn Kathir understands this verse to mean that truth is within their books. In his Tafsir on this verse, he states: "[3:71]...by hiding what is in your Books about the description of Muhammad , while you know what you do." This clearly means that he does not understand the verse to mean that the people of the book corrupt their scripture. I would encourage you to reread all of the verses regarding "corruption" with this view in mind. It is what the early Muslims believed, and it's easy to see why. In the video, the amount of mental gymnastics these three guys had to go through to somehow come away understanding that Christians and Jews corrupt their scripture is simply ridiculous. The Quran CLEARLY states in Surah 6:115: "And the word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can alter His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing." Stop running from what the Quran is saying.

There is an authentic hadith which validates the 7 recitations of the Quran. The meanings and implications of these recitations are the same in the arabic language.

As a muslim, I must admit that Logic showed respect that isn't evident in any other Christian debates. Well done. I do not mean to disrespect Logic here, but his argument is not valid for the following reason: Logic's argument is only valid on the assumption that the Quran does not imply that parts of the Torah or Injeel are corrupted, but that all of it is. The3Muslims did not provide the following verse with invalidates Logics argument: "O People of the Scripture, why do you mix [i.e., confuse] the truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know [it]?" - 3:71 The implication of this verse shows that the scriptures had some truth and some falsehood, meaning that parts of the scriptures were altered and corrupted.

it says they ccorrupted the words to

Love this guy man. Him & Christian Prince are my favourite Christian apologetics ❤️

Yes great job not understanding what s book is.

@@Tea-vf9gh im Arabic and kitab means book you guys love lying

How😂

Without lies the Christ cult dies 🎉

​@@mansor3032 Because Muslims claim Bible is corrupted and yet nowhere in the Quran Allah says anything about the corruption of Bible instead time after time Allah gives authority to the Bible and Torah. Over and over again Allah says Allah ruling is in Torah and Bible that you have with you. Because if you listen a little earlier these "3 Muslims" just admitted if you change some parts of Quran, it no longer is a Quran. So why would Allah give authority to the Bible and Torah that Arab Christians and Jews had with them if they're is corrupted? That's how they got caught😂

@@_zaaphiel Yeah nice try Without Lies lsIam Dies 💀

@@dark_mode Jesus will burn people alive. Matthew 3:11: "... he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:" Jesus teaches his followers to mutilate themselves. Matthew 5:29-30: "And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell." Jesus says he's here to spread violence, not peace. Matthew 10:34: "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." Jesus says your own families are your enemies. Matthew 10:35-36: "For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household." Jesus uses an evil demon to cast out devils. Matthew 12:27: "And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges." Jesus is possessed by a devil. Mark 5:15: "And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil..." Jesus degrades a poor woman asking for help by calling her a dog. Mark 7:27: "But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it unto the dogs." Jesus teaches his followers to commit suicide. Mark 9:45: "And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:" Jesus is apparently made out of the Father's semen. 1 John 3:9: "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." Jesus gets kidnapped by the devil himself and is tempted by the devil. Luke 4:5: "And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time." Jesus commands his follows to murder all of his enemies. Luke 19:27: "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." But proceed to tell me how these are taken out of context, Christians ;) I look forward to seeing the mental gymnastics you use to avoid actually following these violent, barbaric teachings. Repent from your idolatry and follow God. Also, it is hilarious how the Old Testament has so many colorful verses like Psalms 137:9, which says: "Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones." Crazy how the Bible literally teaches infanticide, and let's not forget how Jesus graped his own mom when she was twelve and commanded racist genocide.

As a muslim, I must admit that Logic showed respect that isn't evident in any other Christian debates. Well done. I do not mean to disrespect Logic here, but his argument is not valid for the following reason: Logic's argument is only valid on the assumption that the Quran does not imply that parts of the Torah or Injeel are corrupted, but that all of it is. The3Muslims did not provide the following verse with invalidates Logics argument: "O People of the Scripture, why do you mix [i.e., confuse] the truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know [it]?" - 3:71 The implication of this verse shows that the scriptures had some truth and some falsehood, meaning that parts of the scriptures were altered and corrupted.

@@agp4580 That's a strange understanding. If they din't have the truth how could they conceal it? And confusing truth with falsehood doesn't mean in the scripture. I find it funny how the all mighty sent 125000 books but only cared to preserve 1 and is blaming people for following the corrupt ones, when we have no choice

​@@agp4580So your god call those who corrupt scripts people of scripts ,yea make sense

​@@agp4580stop copy pasting. Do you have any thoughts of your own?

😂😂😂​@@MrSeedi76

LoL Letters of Paul? God books? You got to be kidding me

"The four canonical gospels - Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were all composed within the Roman Empire between 70 and 110 ce" - I would disagree with this statement i would argue that the 4 gospel accounts were written before 70 AD.

@@Thanos-kp5jr that's interesting, and I'm going to look at this. Thank you brother

@@nemesis1291 'That is interesting and i am going to look at this. Thank you, brother," - The reason why i believe that the canonical gospels were written before 70AD was because none of the gospel accounts record the destruction of the temple in 70AD which Jesus predicted would happen.

@@Thanos-kp5jr excellent point

Yes! 😅

😂 very delusional

Yea it's hard to believe a religion where god sacrifices himself to himself to save people from himself because he had no other options. 😅 what an impotent pagan deity. 😢

@@_zaaphiel humble yourself before it's too late. I can sense curiosity or at least questions, that's good. Ask and you shall receive ❤️

@@kingcob6094 should I be Christlike as I see Christians online behave by degrading, demonizing, and dehumanizing everyone who disagrees with Christianity, or should I be Christlike in the way Christian nation's were historically by colonizing and murdering people around the world?

What you haven't answered is which scripture is corrupted .. you need to o point out the corruption in the Torah or injeel !! If you can not point out the corruption then you have to denounce the whole scripture .. this is Islam gets stuck .. here is an analogy .. if you go to the doctor and say my little toe hurts the doctor will go straight to your little toe to heal it . . If you go to the doctor and say your foot hurts the doctor has find where the pain is to correct it ... Muslims are saying " my foot hurts " !!!. How can you correct a fault if you do not know where the actual fault is ????

And We sent, following in their footsteps,1 Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous. The Quran confirms the Torah and Gospel in other places. If I can recall, even Muhammad confirmed the Gospel that was brought to him. Regardless, there is no evidence of some alternative Gospel that was given to them. The earliest manuscripts confirm the exact Gospel that we have today..

@@soccerislife6108 The earliest manuscripts that you refer to are not early. Show me the Quran verses you base your misconceptions upon and I will provide you with the tafsir.

As a muslim, I must admit that Logic showed respect that isn't evident in any other Christian debates. Well done. I do not mean to disrespect Logic here, but his argument is not valid for the following reason: Logic's argument is only valid on the assumption that the Quran does not imply that parts of the Torah or Injeel are corrupted, but that all of it is. The3Muslims did not provide the following verse with invalidates Logics argument: "O People of the Scripture, why do you mix [i.e., confuse] the truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know [it]?" - 3:71 The implication of this verse shows that the scriptures had some truth and some falsehood, meaning that parts of the scriptures were altered and corrupted.

ironic if your a Christian, going against logic is your guys favorite hobby😂

​@@jeremy900sura 10-94💀😂

@@natu5257 ?

@@jeremy900 one of your fake al lah bad advice lol sura 10-94

​@@jeremy900 what is logic and how do christians go against it? If by logic you mean men's wisdom then. Let me out this to you . Men's wisdom says to support jose who support you reject those who reject you.. support the righteous reject and abandon the wicked .. So let me ask does the rain fall on the just only? Or the wicked and the just.. Don't wicked people prosper in their limited lifetime? Don't they have riches all the while oppressing others? Don't their children live and thrive? In your world view what is logical if you believe God is in control of all things ... Not sure if Islam says his about their Allah

He cooked then

The “Nasaraa” are felons before the Sovereign of heaven and earth. They reap what they sow. They don’t get any Ws. *”Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists are in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures.”* (Quran 98:6)

@@mercedesf1fan176 Can’t spell I see. Expected from someone who can’t solve a basic mathematical problem (1+1+1).

He obliterated them

@@PaulTheApostatewhat is 1•1•1?

Who are the other gods David is referring to in psalm 138?😮

That was the weirdest part…

Muslims rejects the authorship of the gospel because according to them the apostles were illiterate, well Luke was doctor , Matthew was tax collector, so no true they did not have academic formation , but momo according to their tradition didn’t know how to write and read , ah ! that is a miracle! double standard as usual .

​@@cnav94Who's momo? Are you off your meds?

@@cnav94 the authorship of the gospels are anonymous as claimed by Christian scholars themselves, don't act like this is merely a Muslim polemical claim, the anonymity of the gospels can be found in academic works like "the new oxford annotated bible: with the apocrypha"