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Could Sparta have survived if Cleomenes's reforms were effective and if the Spartans didn't lose some major battle (sorry my history is vague on the revival/attempt of revival of Sparta).
You say the Athenians were disarmed. How much of a difference did being armed make, considering that in both Rome and Greece very frequently guys wielding blacksmith hammers, farm implements and chair's legs manage to storm the places of power and throw out governors they don't like? With firearms, an army of under a million can conquer and rule a country of tens of millions, but with short blade technology of the time it looks like even a 3:1 ratio is too much for the soldiers most of the time.
i get wanting to get rid of your enemies and show off your power but there is a limit, at some point the citizens will be more fearful of living under your rule than dying by your soldiers swords.
i love this so much,when i was in high school i remmembermaking the speech of theramenes to my classroom and then out of nowhere as i finished some of my friends took out some pencils as if they were knifes ,the rest of the class was truly suprised as well xD)and dragged me from my teachers desk which was supposed to be the altar ,it was so fun!xD
@@ArchaiaHistoria you correct! its truly boring at first when you dont know the contex but once you learn a bit,you can easily fall in love with these stories of politics and war and of badasses like theramenes
We studied the 30 tyrants and the Peloponesian war in high school, and althought i wasnt much of a great student the story of Theramenes always facinated me and made me sad. Listening and reading his speach has marked me still today. This is the reason i came back to this story searching of a video like this. One of the sadest periods and stories in the Ancient Greek Hisory.
Theramenes commiting suicide like a Boss, not even characters in the troligy "the Godfather" were that cool while facing certain death: "To the good and fair Kritias"...
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I love the reference in the thumbnail were the guy (i always forget his name) drinks the poison. Ever since i learned about it, i always referred to Kritia as the sweet Kritia every time he did something bad to someone.
@@klausbrinck2137 - Plato repeatedly mentions a Kritias who was his own uncle or great-uncle, the age difference is not just plausible but likely. Socrates was actually sentenced to ostracism, when already old, he chose the hemlock instead but it was his own decision, not a death sentence.
@@klausbrinck2137 - Critias is particularly notorious in the Atlantis narration, which Plato puts in his mouth and that Critias attributes to Solon himself. Critias was descendant of a personal friend of Solon. Socrates was teacher of Critias, so they were roughly the same age (actually Socrates seems a bit older). It was largely because of his ideological and personal relationship with Critias that Socrates became target of persecution by the restored Democracy. "Corrupting the youth" in the trial probably meant brainwashing them with elitist pro-Spartan anti-democratic ideas. At least that's my take.
@@LuisAldamiz U were right, after all, Sokrates had to take hemlock before the war´s end, and not somewhen later in the 4th century, as I (rather confused) said. The information of this video, that this was the 1st known (to us) suicide/execution through hemlock is maybe false, and confused me, cause when Sokrates took hemlock, it was far more common already... I deleted my original posting.
@Klaus Socrates was killed in 400/399 BCE, which was years after the 30 Tyrants. For this period this is the first use of Hemlock for execution. Another contemporary to this period, Lysias, mentioned how they also used Hemlock when killing the Metics as well (he himself was a Metic)