I always found it interesting how Slick blamed the Jedi for keeping the clones enslaved. While the jedi did have some part to play in that, the Senate and Palpatine were the ones he really should've been blaming. I suppose that could just be attributed to the clones' lack of political awareness.
Even the eyes of Rex made clear, he knew he had a point, but banned those thoughts from his mind and carried on his duty, realising he betrayed all of his brothers as well.
@@redjaypictures4528 Rex and Cody too. All four of them don't say he's wrong, because deep down they all know he is right, but they also know that the actions he took were very much in the wrong because he put all his brothers in danger and that is the one thing they do voice after his rant: "If you loved your brothers, you wouldn't have put them in danger like this." Despite, the bad situation of the Clones being enslaved, with this group of Clones and Jedi, the Jedi here(Obi-Wan and Anakin) don't see the Clones as expandable, they are some friendship and respect between them all, as they all try to fight to preserve as many lives as possible, and Slicks actions put all those lives they try to protect in danger. Again, he had justifiable motives, but he took it too far and the wrong way. In other words, he had the right reasons to fight, but he was fighting the wrong way.
The Clones greatest strength is their ability to think outside of the chain of command, but also their greatest weakness because it allows them to go against their orders and commands.
Obviously he was blinded by the very prospect of true, genuine freedom. It’s also a wonder whether or not Ventress used the ‘sacrifices’ card when he was faced with tasks that would get the same brothers he sought to free hurt or worse, unless he felt them also meant freedom.
Actually I think Ghost’s betrayal is the most immoral one. He and Slick both would have been responsible for the deaths of their brothers and allowing the Separatists to conquer a vital planet. Still, Slick is more of a Rebel as he did at least want to free the rest of his brothers, even if he put too much blame on the wrong people and might have gotten more of his brothers killed. Slick is a lot like what we call the “good” Separatists. Understandable motivations and a worthy cause, but they just end up on a side that likely would stab them in the back. Ghost on the other hand is more selfish. Only he and his partner were walking out of that mission. Ghost also was going to introduce the Clone Wars to the neutral planet, destroy relations between the Republic and that planet, and basically commit an act of terrorism. And unlike Slick, he directly killed a brother. If he was an Imperial defecting to a rebel cell, he would definitely be with the Partisans.
There's a certain bit of irony to the fact that there were more Jedi that fell to the dark side during the clone wars, than clones who turned traitor to the republic.
@@TheRabidPanda If that were true there would be no need for the inhibitor chips they brought into Canon. Palpatine abused his power and ofc is a Sith working against the Jedi. That is very much so against what the Republic is supposed to be
@@ugiustuskeiserus8066 I agree that it is against what the Republic is supposed to be, but it's not against what the Republic was when it happened. The law was Palpatine was the absolute law, he said the Jedi were traitors, so they were. They did try to arrest him illegally. The inhibitor chips helped ensure that most clones would follow the Order, regardless of their personal feelings.
@@TheRabidPanda You don't seem to get what I said. Regardless of whatever Palpatine says his presence there alone subverts what the Republic should be. As Windu has stated, Palpatine abused the emergency powers he grabbed in AotC and made himself Emperor right then and there before it was officially turned into the Empire. That should not have been allowed and if the clones cared about the Republic that much they would have grounds to take action against him. It's actually quite similar to the real world actually...
Weirdly enough I’d say the Jedi themselves, to quote Mace Windu “they were keepers of the peace, not soldiers” the Jedi of the old republic never would have taken a clone army which was basically a slave force nor would they keep using after all the red flags that were discovered through out the clone wars
If they were breed with intend of killing jedis after Sith taken interests in them can we realy say that they betrayed The Republic executing preconditioned order?
None of these soldiers enlisted. To call them "traitors" is to pretend that they had any choice in serving the GAR. I cannot look at any Clone and say, "you betrayed them" because they were in a shitty position to begin with. I mean, would you tell literal slaves that they are traitors for escaping their slave driver's clutches?
The greatest betrayal in the Star Wars universe was when Anakin wasn't granted the rank of master by the Jedi Council. Legends say it was outrageous and unfair.
@@BlackwingsProphetit was ultimately the denial and restrictions placed on him by the council and the support and encouragement he received from palpatine that led him to the dark side.
An honorable mention to my pal Spar: Spar, born Alpha-Ø2 and later known as Mandalore the Resurrector, was a rogue Alpha-class Advanced Recon Commando who rebuilt the Mandalorian Supercommandos and fought for the Confederacy of Independent Systems during the Clone Wars. Alpha-Ø2 was cloned from the Mandalorian bounty hunter Jango Fett on the planet Kamino for the Grand Army of the Republic. An aberrant clone with more independence and free-thinking than his fellow soldiers, Alpha-Ø2 found after eight-and-a-half years that he had inherited the memories of Jango Fett. With the aid of Cuy'val Dar doctor Mij Gilamar, Alpha-Ø2 made his escape off Kamino in the hold of Slave I, taking the name "Spar" from what the Kaminoan trainers had called him. Spar traveled the galaxy as a bounty hunter before the Clone Wars. When war broke out and Jango Fett was killed in the Battle of Geonosis, Spar realized that he needed to reform the Mandalorian Supercommandos and traveled to the planet Mandalore. After overcoming the pacifist movement of Duchess Satine Kryze, Spar became Mandalore and formed the Mandalorian Protectors, recruiting two hundred police from Mandalore-including Fenn Shysa and Tobbi Dala-and a dozen former Death Watch members. He took the name "Mandalore the Resurrector" as a sign that he would honor the old traditions of the Mandalorians. Hating the Jedi for their killing of Mandalorians at the Battle of Galidraan, Spar joined the war on the side of the Confederacy of Independent Systems.
The greatest betrayal the clones ever faced is that the 327th Star Corps and their Jedi General, Aayla Secura, never been dispatched to Umbara instead of the 501st Legion.
plus any clone had the moral right to fight against his enslavement. Nothing about their lot in life was fair (or, technically, even legal under Republic laws - slavery, tolerated outside the Republic, WAS outlawed inside it).
@@RotalHenricsson Doesn't matter if it's conceived naturally, grown in a tank, or assembled on a factory floor. If it's intelligent it deserves the rights due any sentient being.
Yeah... Was just one HUGE live fire exercise an they all on the same side... Too bad Palps forget to tell ANYONE else. Just like when he "sensed" some powerful extra Galactic threat but kept that to himself.. I'm guessing all the superweapon he just told everyone was his recreational hobby.
After seeing the story arc with Tup’s inhibitor chip malfunctioning & Fives discovering the reality of the inhibitor chips I always wondered if maybe Slick’s inhibitor chip was activated to some degree. Who knows. Perhaps the other “actual Clone” in this video experienced a similar thing.
A malfunctioning chip wouldn't have altered his personality by such a great degree before Order 66 was given. Tup had a malfunctioning chip in his head & that only made him act up & kill the nearest Jedi, instead of turning into a calculative psychopath of some sort.
If a malfunctioning inhibitor chip couldn’t make one deviate from your personality, what else could? Oh, besides the Clones being totally manipulated mentally, emotionally and god only knows what else, from BIRTH. That combined with that nasty old chip …. well, I am amazed that MANY more clones didn’t deviate/break down. Especially those that may have already been so-called “bad apples”.
@@BestPunkyEver You said it yourself. Manipulation from birth. It's their conditioning as slaves from birth, & then somehow an awakening from being exposed to other ways of life, that brought about that deviation in personality. If personality manipulation to such a degree is as easy as putting a chip in their head, there would have been ZERO clones who so much as even thinking twice about throwing themselves into the fire in the war.
The greatest betrayal was telling the Clones that they could trust their new Jedi Generals on the battlefield. Right before the First Battle of Geonosis.
No offense, but I’m surprised you didn’t mention Alpha ARC Spar who actively fought against the republic. Glad you already made a video about him though.
I'd say the biggest and most impactful betrayal was actually Darth Bane's betrayal of the other Sith during the Seventh Battle of Russan. Since that betrayal led to Bane being the only survivor and leading to his new Sith Order which eventually led to everything in the movies happening.
At least Geetsly's was honest about bending the rules a little to get more time in this video with that Tark Squad entry. Not that I blame them, since making RU-vid videos consistently is not an easy task.
That made sense when you saw what was happening at the time. Death threats and harassment to actors, especially to Jake and Ahmed, one of which was a minority. Star Wars fans aren't usually good at providing criticisms, rather constant harassment.
What made you think the clones betrayed the Republic, when it's already dead a long while back? Anyways, will wait for Sepper traitors so to make this even... and then non-clone Republic traitors so to tip the scales once more. Edit: Nice to see more Skyewalkers stuff here. Also weird that the TCW 2008 comics had active "onpage" RepComms compared to the show.
It definitely was, and their only justification was because The Clone Wars series made it seem illogical for clones to want to betray their Jedi Generals so they had to come up with a new reason
Pong Krell’s betrayal was the worst. He turned his back on everyone and everything he knew, and treated his soldiers like walking meat-shields. The worst thing about it, is that his betrayal helps justify Order 66. If Krell was able to hide his betrayal, what’s to say the other Jedi aren’t hiding their own betrayal. Which in the Clones’ eyes, means any Jedi during Order 66 was just another Pong Krell.
The greatest betrayal in galactic history? Well how about the entire families of Sith sleeper agent cells spread across the Galaxy by the Sith Emperor before the First Great Galactic War? Multiple generations of traitors hiding in plain sight and in various ranks of society within the Republic and even the Jedi Order itself, when these traitors were activated by the Sith Emperor when the Sith Empire finally returned to strike entire systems governments switched sides to the Sith adding to the shock of their return. Hell, you could make a video on the agents of the Sith Emperor and those major figures that turned traitor after the Great Galactic War during the Cold War. These infiltrators were so embedded in the Republic that the lead Republic secret projects developer was actually the son of a Sith Lord that being Tarnis whose betrayal was on a galactic scale with his weapons ending up in the hands of the Sith Empire, he nearly brought Coruscant to its knees. Then there is of course the betrayal of the Original Havoc Squad, the Republic's most elite Soldiers who turned their back on the Republic and defected to the Sith Empire.
NO, that doesn't count you cheater... that's like calling the Estonians who fought in the German army traitors to the Soviet Union... THEY WEREN'T SOVIETS, they were occupied by the Soviets in 1939... Lol
I decided to try yall again, disappointed to be misled again Edit: Tho, i wish this comment scammer wouldnt try to pretend to be yall, thats just wrong
Jedi master Krell who in his own initiative, took charge of the 501st and sent them into battle while denying use of tactical retreat so asr to reduce the strength of the Grand Army of the Republic to benefit the separatists. He even told a unit of clones that the separatists were wearing clone armour so clones would kill clones to achieve his goal. No evidence was shown that he had contact with separatists leaders of his aims to aid them.
What about cut and tup, tips chip malfunctioned and he executed a Jedi master and cut just left the GAR because he didn’t want to fight for the Jedi and die like the rest of his brothers
out of all of them Slick is probably the most understandable being that the 1st battle of Geonosis was a complete catastrophe and alot of the Jedi indeed were incompetent to lead soldiers early in the war so at that time he was kinda right but later in the war completely wrong
I loved Ghost armor design as well as the rest of Sergeant Banks clone teams armor designs and I actually have that comic book one of my first ones I ever got read it like crazy and I would love to see a movie or show on Sergeant Banks cause I think he wouldn't have followed order 66 and maybe could have either became an Arc trooper or a Commando possible before the fall of the Republic
Hey Geetsly I got a question... Which lightsaber form did Minas Velti use in Kenobi (kinda hard for me to tell, seemed to feature aspects of forms 1, 4, 5, and 6... my money is on form 6 specifically because of it's unique presentation and incredibly effective deflecting as well as incredibly powerful offense but I could be wrong)???
If Slick had been successful, and the Republic quickly fell, how many his "brothers" would have been reassigned to guard Separatist Trade Route speed traps instead? Would the Empire take the Republic's place immediately? Would the clones have been better at shutting down the Resistance than enslaved stormtroopers? Would there have even been a Darth Vader to resist? Would Slick have ruined all Sidious' plans and saved billions of innocent lives in the process? But no, let's save a handful of discount bounty hunter knock offs, and doom the entire Galaxy, because feelings.
Not necessarily a "betrayal" in an overall negative light, but I always liked Cut Lawquane's story. Sure, I agree, desertion to any extent isn't good but I'm a sucker for a wholesome story.
I personally wouldn't count Order 66 as a "betrayal" as the Clones weren't loyal to the Jedi, they were loyal to the republic and the Supreme Chancellor.
