The 7/8 Cello Presentation and Comparison | Luthier Lessons

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@jessicalaatsch2498 3 года назад

Been playing cello almost 20 years (on and off). Fighting tension, extensions, telling myself to play without tension, no tension, relax! Just picked up a 7/8 cello today. Why didn't I do this sooner!? Thank you for your video. So Informative. The reason I started researching 7/8 for myself. My traps thank you.

@CelloCoach 3 года назад

I absolutely love my 7/8 cello, especially after 32 years of pain

@dawndunstan4551 4 года назад

Thank you so much for doing this video Jonathan. About 2 years ago I was facing the very devastating possibility of giving up playing cello as I had been diagnosed with Cervical Dystonia which is a movement disorder that causes lots of pain in the neck, shoulders, arms etc. Anyway so I set out to find ways I could reduce tension in my body, it soon became apparent to me if I could play without having to stretch my fingers constantly my whole body was more relaxed. This lead me to researching about smaller cellos. This is when I discovered the 7/8 cello. I eventually found a second hand one, which was made by John Wu, a Chinese born but now based in America Luthier. I can't tell you how happy and relieved I am to still be playing. Fun fact... At first I used to call it Jonny or Little Jonny as it was smaller than my old cello and seemed a bit cheeky but he has now grown into a very sophisticated beautiful sounding cello so now he is called.....Johnathan. So if anyone is thinking of trying a 7/8 I would strongly recommend it. Happy playing.🎻🎶

@CelloCoach 4 года назад

Lovely story, thank you for sharing Dawn.

@annah7268 Год назад

Hi, I am a small to medium size build female about 160cm high small to medium size hands , do you think I should have smaller size cello 7/8 or 3/4 ?

@theshoeminator Год назад

@@annah7268 I would try to find a string shop that carries both sizes and be open to trying both! I love my 3/4 :)

@jeanasmith4024 4 года назад

Sounded great. Beginning cellist age 54, 5ft 4 in. Seriously considered 7/8 to help with extensions. Almost inch less on fingerboard sounds so tempting.

@CelloCoach 4 года назад

Contact me jh@jonathanhumphries.com and I can help you more, Jeana.

@JihoonKcello 3 года назад

6:02 7/8 6:20 4/4

@wood-side-story 2 года назад

I have cubital tunnel syndrome and forward extensions were simply excruciating on my 4/4. I had to import one as there were none in the country I live in. It was very worth it I just gone mine yesterday and already falling in love😍

@CelloCoach 2 года назад

good for you

@lizmaryacosta2251 Год назад

Tengo esa lesión también! Y cuando afecta el clima y los esfuerzos por hacer sonar el Wilfer también termino con tendinitis😔... Quiero adquirir ese tamaño de cello también🥰! Cómo te va hasta ahora con él?

@jonhh6918 Год назад

It would be nice to have an update on that size change in your next videos.

@CelloCoach 10 месяцев назад

I have been loving the 7/8 cello

@billiebelshan2972 4 месяца назад

I have just started playing cello. I am a month in. You cant rent a 7/8 here so I am on a full size. I dont think i want to wait a year playing on something I am struggling with. My fingers only stretch about 5" and my arm length is only 24". I think I will end up buying early (3 months) so I wont lose interest due to pain and frustration of hitting wrong notes as my fingers slowly slide out of place. Thanks for helping bring attention to the smaller size and how it plays just as nice.

@oliviu-dorianconstantinesc288 2 года назад

The 7/8 might not have the booming bass, but it more than makes up for it in clarity and focus. The full size seems to lose its edge in the higher register.

@CelloCoach 2 года назад

good observation

@lena_a_m 3 года назад

So happy you've finally got the cello of your dreams! What a beauty! Thank you for having Edgar take all the measurements-- that was really helpful. I've been unsuccessfully searching for an 7/8 cello within my (admittedly very low) budget since I started playing four months ago. I'm hitting so many roadblocks on the full size cello I've been renting because I broke my left pinkie finger as a child. Was about to settle for just buying a less expensive, used full size cello as I wasn't sure that it would even make that much of a difference to get a much more expensive 7/8, and then I saw your video. It's good to finally have some clarity on the different string lengths-- everything else out there was always so vague, only describing the difference in body volume and not the length of the strings. I suppose I'll keep on looking if I ever really want to progress and learn how to properly play this beautiful instrument. :)

@brittanylevinson741 3 года назад

Extremely informative. I’m 5’8” but my spine has begun collapsing on itself and after 8 surgeries that will only continue. I am in bed 23.5 hours a day but I’m hoping learning the cello will help me sit up more. I think I’ll go the 7/8 route also to help my arthritis.

@jimvanzino7646 Год назад

Thanks for this! I’m am absolute beginner and will now be starting with a 7/8 at age 62!

@AstraLuxfera 9 месяцев назад

I'm a 5'7 female and tried playing a full size Cello and made almost no progress in 2 years due to the inability to correctly form my left had and thumb squeezing issues. I temporarily gave up on Cello, playing Viola instead but decided to order a 7/8 Cello just to see if my lack of progress was a size issue. It was definitely a size issue. I recently ordered a Fiddlerman Master Cello in 7/8 size and I can play it beautifully with no left hand tension. I am shocked! I excelled at Viola, but my heart lies with the Cello.

@CelloCoach 9 месяцев назад

Glad to have you back in the Cello family

@TheSatisfiedPig 6 месяцев назад

Saved from a fate worse than death

@mikes954 3 года назад

I very much like the sound of this new cello. To my ear you sound even better playing it. My daughter has small hands and has trouble with the fingerings up high, so she will be watching this in the morning.

@CelloCoach 3 года назад

I do like this cello very much, so much I now own it :-)

@jonathanwingmusic Год назад

Adult beginner here, and also a shorter guy with smaller hands - 38yo @ 5'5". I've played guitar and piano most of my life and even then I struggle with larger acoustic guitars, generally preferring short scales or even playing higher up the neck as a result of comfort. On piano I can basically stretch to a 9th on a good day, but 10ths - fuggetaboutit. That said on the 4/4 cello I just rented to start with, I've found immediately that first position is challenging for that pinky - I tend to always play that note a little flat simply because the stretch is a bit difficult and tense for me. In order to stretch to be in tune, I kind of have to shift my other fingers forward so they wouldn't be in tune, for example if I was doing a fast run or scales back and forth, I would have to shift my fingers into place and I can imagine this will increase tension too. I started with a teacher recently and they highly recommended I consider sending I change over to a 7/8, so thank you for sharing this video - I'm going to try to book an appointment with a local string shop who carries 7/8s and see how they feel!

@RockStarOscarStern634 4 года назад

You can actually put a Pickup on the Cello too, but a 7/8 size 5 String Cello (With a High E) will really sound interesting.

@CelloCoach 4 года назад

Maybe you should order one from Edgar?

@federicofanelli952 4 года назад

Great videos and beautiful instruments. I just realized that the chairs are a great piece too!! Did Edgar built/design those chairs? Just lovely.

@CelloCoach 4 года назад

He has a friend who builds them

@KB1.1 4 года назад

I’m so tempted to get a 7/8 myself. What’s the lowest end of pricing for these? And does Edgar declare the price when shipping abroad?

@CelloCoach 4 года назад

we should have this conversation via email, K B-Go jh@jonathanhumphries.com

@angelafung8873 4 года назад

I am also interested in this topic. I currently use a 7/8 beginner cello and want to up my game and buy a quality one.

@178jmh 3 года назад

Super helpful. Thanks!

@CelloCoach 3 года назад

You're welcome!

@chrysanthemumchamomile19 3 года назад

Hey Jonathan! So cool that you play a 7/8. I'm a small adult and have considered playing a smaller cello to prevent injury down the line. How did you decide to play a smaller instrument? What benefits does it have for you? Do you miss anything about the full size? And, what strategies do you use to get the best sound out of the smaller instrument? tia! & thanks for all of your informative videos!

@CelloCoach 3 года назад

I do not miss the full size at all. the 7/8 is more comfortable in all positions, most felt amongst any extended positions

@chrysanthemumchamomile19 3 года назад

@@CelloCoach thanks so much for your reply! that's awesome... I'm going to think about it more for myself too. :)

@irenewan4463 2 года назад

wow,... I thought7/8 would have higher pitch than 4/4, but it is not. I prefer the strong base echo from 7/8 here! Thanks so much for the info... I am just about to pick up cello lesson and getting know more about cello.

@CelloCoach 2 года назад

You're welcome!

@gutterbee 3 года назад

Dude roasted ol' boy. 2:55

@deekuehner8386 Год назад

I currently play a 1880 French cello but really looking for a 7/8. They are so hard to find. The only one I’ve found just didn’t match the tone. Where are you?

@CelloCoach 10 месяцев назад

You can buy mine! It is available at Edgar Russ shop in Cremona

@dotteddice2358 4 года назад

I have a 4/4 size because that's what adults get. 😜 I've been wanting to try a 7/8 to see if it'd be more comfortable to play. But I feel like I should wait until I'm a better player before spending money on a second cello though. 7/8 doesn't seem to be common enough to come in beginner models, so it'd be like a quality upgrade too, not just a size difference.

@CelloCoach 4 года назад

when you are ready, Edgar can customize one for you

@lilreddot1 3 года назад

@@CelloCoach how much would a customised 7/8 by Edgar cost? I am Asian and petite. Just a real beginner but got a full size one as people told me to buy full size as an adult.

@rer9930 3 года назад

Love your videos. I wonder if you can ask Edgar if he used a 4/4 or 3/4 size bridge on your 7/8 cello. I bought a 7/8 cello (Fiddlerman Master from Fiddlershop in South Florida) and noticed that the bridge is narrower than the bridge in my 4/4 cello. I also noticed that I am touching adjacent strings when playing; not sure if it is due to the bridge being narrow.

@theshoeminator 2 года назад

I have a full size cello but have small hands and a comfortable first position for me falls 1/2" short from where my pinky finger should be resting. Would a 7/8 size be a better fit?

@CelloCoach 2 года назад

yes I recommend you try one

@PanicKernel2008 4 года назад

I've got small fingers. I have difficulties with extensions on first position and half position, maybe that could help ?

@CelloCoach 4 года назад

Yes, as Edgar clearly states, the 7/8 makes most difference when playing along the neck. So your half and 1st position extensions will be more comfortable.

@PanicKernel2008 4 года назад

@@CelloCoach Yes but on the other hand, the sound will be less powerfull. I should talk about it with my teacher and give it a try to make my mind.I think that's a question of pride to switch from full size down to 7/8.

@CelloCoach 4 года назад

Swallow your pride and stay tuned as my new cello opens up

@aaronm.1998 Год назад

4/4 sounded much nicer. I was actually surprised by the great disparity.

@usedtoshootfilm 4 года назад

I just started playing at age 58. I'm having a lot of trouble with extensions due to having surgery on finger 2 to repair a torn in half ligament. My finger is always stiff and actually curves slightly towards finger 3. I have been reluctant to try a 7/8, thinking it wouldn't sound as nice and also I am concerned about switching back and forth between my acoustic and my electric Yamaha. Is it a challenge switching back and forth between 7/8 and 4/4 for you?

@CelloCoach 4 года назад

Thank you for this pointed and rather perfect question for our community! I will be discussing this exact situation in the future, for as you probably already know, I too have a Yamaha SVC-210 and will be upgrading to this 2020 Russ 7/8. Honestly, since my NS-CR5 is far more comfortable to play than the SVC, I’ll be remiss to not hint that the SVC will be used more sparingly. Advice - 4mm clearance under the A string! And I hear you about the concern switching back and forth, as well the sound. To be brutally honest, a 7/8 is a top instrument that is custom ordered and should originate from a quality luthier. Edgar is such a master and he prefers to make basses and cellos, so if you are considering the UPGRADE to longer playing hours, more comfort and less pain, then you should order a 7/8.

@donnabyrd6368 2 года назад

I have a 7/8 and I love it

@CelloCoach 2 года назад

yay

@clarissa1985 Год назад

I'm going to start the cello in some months and I don't know what size I should buy. I am 1.64 cm, 52kg and I have small hands. I'm already a concert performer, a classical guitarist. So I can spread my fingers well. But I don't know if that's going to be enough for the cello. And I don't know if we can adapt to 4/4 after if we play with a 7/8. For example if you want to play at a cellist's friend's house with his instrument etc. ?

@CelloCoach Год назад

I alternate between 7/8 and 4/4 weekly because eCellos are only full-size. My advice is to try to find a true and well-crafted 7/8.

@wishyouwerehere1982 3 года назад

My heights is about 156cm. And I have small hands. I am adult beginner and just began cello lessons October 2020. I consider to change my size from 4/4 to 3/4 or 7/8.. so which one I should choose?

@carrieannkouri2151 4 года назад

Beautiful Are you planning on listing the 7/8 on your website?

@CelloCoach 4 года назад

This particular 7/8 is taken, Carrie, sorry 😉 but you can order one whenever you like

@carrieannkouri2151 3 года назад

@@CelloCoach Thank you for this presentation. I recently got one from a local luthier. I have small hands - I absolutely love it! The 7/8 is so much easier for me to play compared to my 4/4. Cheers!

@RockStarOscarStern634 4 года назад

1:33 There we go now you can see

@CelloCoach 4 года назад

Yeah, he has huge hands

@RockStarOscarStern634 4 года назад

@@CelloCoach Interestingly enough the 7/8 sounds like a full sized because it's built in a special manner.

@CelloCoach 4 года назад

This certain 7/8 is true-to-scale of a Ruggiei model he has acquired, only with a 0,9 CM reduction in neck length

@RockStarOscarStern634 4 года назад

@@CelloCoach Interestingly enough here's your Cello Pickup:shadowelectronics.com/collections/cello-pickups/products/sh-sc1

@RockStarOscarStern634 3 года назад

@@CelloCoach Bob Kogut built a 5 String 3/4 Size Violin so that it sounds fantastic because alot of fractional sized Violins sound like toys.

@SoopSoopa 2 года назад

just switched my student 4\4 rental cello with a much better much older 7\8, and i really miss those lows!!! not as booming and bassy anymore

@CelloCoach 2 года назад

visit your luthier for a setup on the 7/8 and update me please

@SoopSoopa 2 года назад

@@CelloCoach apparently it was Just A relatively small 4/4. I got used to the Sound, not as much lows but definitely a deeper and nuanced timbre

@janetmecham1059 10 месяцев назад

Also, try experimenting with different strings just for the G and C strings. Sometimes different strings for the lower notes will help bring out the lower tones and sort of make up for the deficit you are experiencing. 😇

@theodoradivina1878 Год назад

Is there any adult cellist who use 3/4 cello?

@CelloCoach Год назад

Yes, my student in Brisbane plays a 3/4

@user-xv4he4mt4x 3 года назад

學到很多，謝謝！

@jonhannula2022 3 года назад

I kinda like the 7/8 better yeah it's true!

@jonhannula2022 3 года назад

I'm getting the 4/4 due to my finger size. will be listening to most of your teachings jonathan.

@paulvictor9368 4 года назад

What shape is your 7/8 cello? Montagnana?

@CelloCoach 4 года назад

this is a Ruggieri copy

@MsCellobass Год назад

Smh the guy is able to play effortlessly on the full size- whats the problem??

@janetmecham1059 10 месяцев назад

Well sometimes there are small tensions in the hand and shoulders that the onlooker cannot detect, but the player can definitely feel, especially over time.