The Abortion Divide | Real Time with Maher (HBO) 

Yep. Which indicates they need to do more about helping taking care of kids. That doesn't make slaughtering them in the womb justified.

As a gun owner I've long lived with the idea of becoming a felon by simply crossing a state line, no matter how inadvertently. It's not a new concept, Mr. Maher.

@The Destroyed once the slaves are free theyre on their own- abolitionists after the civil war

When does life begin?

Not wanting to pay for someone doesn't mean we should kill them, just to advocate for their argument, which is misrepresented by such quotes.

Didn’t even hear it properly so thanks for clarifying

Excellent point.

They pray to the State. The new god

Instead of prayers, why don't you ask the questions why it was never codified years ago when Democrats had a SCOTUS majority? Why allow this to go on for decades, only to cry afoul? If you want to point fingers I suggest You start with Your Democratic leadership first, We've always knew the right had this agenda in mind since forever. Why didn't Democrats do a better job at trying to figure out a way to protect abortion rights? Heaven knows they have had plenty of time to at least try to get it done. Can't blame Republicans for this one, look to the failures & shortcomings of Democratic leadership if pointing fingers.

Yeah she is a sick and twisted person. Praying to have the right to decide who can live and who should be not even be afforded the opportunity. She’s definitely praying to the tyrannical state.

@@jameskfouri1896 so it's less tyrannical to live in a country that doesn't think women have their own brains and can't make their health decisions? Women are adults who have brains and know their own bodies. We don't need the rest of the country sticking their noses between our legs like we just fell off a turnip truck from the middle of bumfuck nowhere.

Hitchens was from Europe. And Europe is tougher on abortion than America, believe it or not. At least on this issue America is more liberal (free) than Europe. (EDIT: Bill Maher himself noted this on the show, last week.)

@@sanghoonlee5171 What? Europe is tougher on abortion?

Yeah, England is just such a tyrannical state it's unrecognizable. It might as well be called Burma #2.

@@sanghoonlee5171 that's not true.

Glad Hitchen's is gone. One less narcissistic smug bastard to deal with.

Both sides weirdly enough are taking their same stances, GOP says its a person and the Dems say its the property of the woman whose body it's riding in. With the narrative we have in the US I don't see the Dems winning this argument if they push too hard, they need to fall back to the "safe, legal, and rare" hill and gun down any of the nutters who brag about their abortions or demand abortion up until the moment of birth. That's the only way to seem reasonable and maintain access to abortion.

Yep and the side that considered humans property was wrong last time and is wrong again

@@scottm4975 I totally agree. The side thinking an unborn baby is property is wrong.

Fetuses have not yet gained sentience or self awareness. Slaves are adults.

@@asleepawake3645 Thats not quite accurate. Many children and babies were also considered slaves. So scientist believe babies begin to be self aware around 15 months. Your argument is we can abort and kill babies till they are self aware?

@@DarknessFlameMedia I guess you think the election was stolen, right?

Obama made identity politics the most important thing to galvanize his base. Trump did the same thing on the right. Now you have two charged magnets with repelling force. They need discharged before they can come together. Biden's early rhetoric seemed hopeful to ease the problems but a leopard cannot change it's spots and he fell right back to blaming 50% of the country.

You can thank the internet and social media for that. It's a net negative for culture.

You can thank Newt Gingrich for starting this hate mongering....

@@DarknessFlameMedia Keep on with that pipe dream. He aint comin back, sorry.

Nope. It’s illegal everywhere in the US.

Smoking cannabis and having bodily autonomy on healthcare issues isn’t really the same thing.

@@allisonmcguire4625 tell that to the thousands poc in prison for the victimless “crime” of smoking cannabis. I know being a white woman, it’s hard for you to understand - but the war of drugs has been one of the greatest assaults on the autonomy of black lives in modern history, leading to the over policing of their communities and their disproportionate incarceration.

@@allisonmcguire4625 like with the vaccine?

@@ErgoProxy12345 sure.. but that’s also not an issue where only women are under attack! Did they actually pass legislation to force everyone to get vaccinated or making being unvaccinated illegal? No they did not! This is only about controlling women and their bodies!

How about some personal responsibility?

It’s not the state dictating the birth. Take it up with mammalian biology. The argument is about at what point it’s ok to kill the child because the child’s mother doesn’t want to raise it.

They do now!!

Lol ya they do actually

How about the parents take responsibility for the health and welfare of the children? That’s how it’s done in functional societies.

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Men?

I wonder what you think the root cause is? Let's start the debate then.

Women lacking accountability and “casual sex” when it’s an oxymoron cos sex is anything but casual biologically and now we’re seeing the repercussions of it.

@Censored Opinions I take it that you are opposed to both the Roe decision and the Casey decision. Neither Roe or Casey completely legalize abortion. Both decisions go to great lengths to explain that the government does indeed have the right and responsibility to step in and prevent a woman from aborting her child. Roe set that limit at the third trimester, roughly 29 weeks. Casey, changed the limit to 24 weeks. Either way, under Roe and Casey there is a point in which it stops being a woman’s choice, and the government can step in and force her to carry the baby to term.

I don’t think the root cause is ever discussed on any issue.

You may have a point. But it’s also a ploy to make people move out of those states because of the electoral college. They could gain total control of every election even though the vast majority of people don’t want certain laws at the state level. If there was a popular vote. Republicans would never win. That’s why they keep the electoral college. Make abortion illegal and those people will move to blue states. Giving republicans the control. Land doesn’t vote. People do.

Where does it say that you have a right to free speech?

​@@WingsBanquet You make a valid point. However, the winner of the electoral college is most likely going to be the candidate that best represents all of the various groups within the nation. Trump beat Clinton because he did a better job of representing the nation as a whole. She ignored groups of people and it cost her the election. For example she did not campaign in rural AmErica. The popular vote is the same thing as majority vote. The white population is 70% of American society. The popular vote alone will allow a candidate to ignore all minority groups and win. The electoral college makes that almost impossible. It may benefit republicans; however doing away with the electoral college doesn't create a level playing field. The popular vote benefits the democrats. The electoral college is not perfect. But it's closer to perfect than just the popular vote. No one seems to be able to come up with a system that is better. I respectfully disagree that people will move out of a state or not move into a state based upon the abortion issue. There are a lot of single issue voters; however that only goes so far. If you have an opportunity to work and make a good living for yourself, the abortion law becomes less important. An overwhelming majority of the nation is pro-choice . . . to an extent. A very small, but very vocal, minority expect on demand, no parental consent or knowledge, no restriction, month -9 abortion at the expense of other people. That is not reasonable. If it's one extreme or the other, people are going to go with the conservative perspective. Democrats are attempting to use the issue to better their position for the mid-terms. It's not going to work very well; even though there are a lot of one issue voters. Nonetheless, the republicans should have left it alone until after the elections.

@@SelfReflective I don't understand what you mean in relation to the video. Otherwise it's the First Amendment.

@𝗡𝗕𝗔 This is the third time you have responded to one of my posts. And every time you make the exact same, weird statement. You should work on that.

Logical but what about all the butcher houses around the world working 24/7 murdering all type of animals in the most gruesome ways just to eat them or make hats with them? Don't they have lives too? People are being too soft, if the baby becomes a human being after the first trimester then why people always say "we have two childrens and one on the way instead of saying we have three children?", But i also agree that the choice is better to be made in the first trimester!

@@XnonTheGodd Thanks for the cordial response, personally I love animals and believe they should be euthanized humanly when slaughtered for food or clothing, sadly we can't control what happens in other countries that provide the US with leather goods

@Adriel Lin no click bait for me thank you for trying though

@@XnonTheGodd A human being is fundamentally different from a animal should not be a controversial statement, but that’s modernism for you.

@@allthenewsordeath5772 humans are animals, lest you forget! We evolved with them, we just happen to have some privileges!

The anti-abortion people don't lose in this, the states that already had legal abortion laws continue to allow abortion while in the vast majority of the country abortion becomes illegal.

@@2011blueman They think abortion is evil and they want it gone completely. Therefore this will not be a complete victory for them. Also, this can have other implications beyond abortion.

@@2011blueman exactly. A big win for pro-lifers

@@2011blueman Vast majority? How many states are going to ban most abortions instead of at 15 weeks? Those who want abortions are going to get it anyways, so the win is an illusion. That win will gradually be lost as superstition losses popularity.

@@jonatand2045 I don't think you know the number of states that either have pre-Roe bans that would become the law again, or that passed trigger laws in the event Roe is overturned. Montana, Idaho, Colorado, Arizona, Montana, Wyoming, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Iowa, Missouri, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Louisiana, Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, Georgia, and Florida.

@Chace Stout aRE YOU BACK AGAIN WITH YOUR SAME OLE TIRED fUK WHAT YOU SAY?

Or at least don't have unprotected sex there...unless you're married, have a job, and finished high school.

That's a great idea provided you're not a Branson fan, or are in the market for some top quality Ozark meth or a puppy mill dog. 🎸🛢🐶

My family is here and I was raised here. I can't leave 😭

@@tylerwagner1978 Nothing has been decided yet. You don't have to leave regardless...unless you anticipate "accidentally" impregnating someone with a baby you don't want.

Yeah that would be great but that's never gonna happen when we can't even on the ground rules.

The ground rules are enumerated in the Constitution. The secret decoder ring is the Federalist Papers, the English dictionary, some common law precedents, some English law, some article of confederation thrown in, with a tad of history and tradition.

BWAAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!!! “Rules”….by Congress… BWAAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!!!

Too late

States Rights!!! The Federal Government is the problem!!!

Do you want the government to raise your child?

One of the few 'developed' nations (I use the term loosely) which still hasn't ratified the Convention on the Rights of the Child. It's an international embarrassment.

One of the reasons why America is in debt is because of that kind of mindset, nobody owes you or your kid a free ride in life.

Yes. I goggled a 15 week old fetus. It had arms, legs and legs. It was a baby.

@@zoobrizz it also doesn't have a working brain. 😂 Therefore, it isn't cognizant. It's basically a parasite.

just like people tend to ignore the fact that around half of democrat women are pro-life? But, I think a more telling stat is this... if you ask a random sample of women that abortion will be illegal or legal only based on the two extreme arguments, where you can either abort a baby right up to 9 months/date of delivery or you can never abort a baby... over 73% would choose the law banning abortion outright... so there's that. also... I really don't see the big deal with aborting Roe vs Wade... it's not like it's alive, it's only a clump of words

They bow to their masters

@@jesusfernandez-eh8cx and what does it say about you that you believe the only way they would not share your opinion is because they let men think for them?

Majority of women are against abortion

They just don't want to kill innocent babies is all. It has nothing to do with power or the lack thereof. Besides, life isn't all some power struggle anyway...

Yeah they need to cut down on the staff laughing at any and all comments...... it killed the show for me.

I hate that guy.

The woo wooing simple minded clapping seals were in top form today. Laughing after saying there is no more baby formula? Laughing during dark troubling moments? Laughing and woo wooing during violent clips? The show must like it because year after year many complains about the audience fall upon deaf ears. Bill's show was so much better during the pandemic when he did the show from his home and back yard. Only Bill can put a stop to it.

The country needs to break up. We are separate nations.

You are missing the gargantuan paper donkey in the room. What I mean by that is that, if the Democratic party does something to legally end abortion, they will have no more Meal Ticket because then no one is going to vote for the DNC. They are a bunch of money- grubbing oligarchs who could have prevented this but had no intention to. They're the felons who kneecapped Bernie and installed Mrs. C as the candidate, not knowing she is so hated they would have had to rig the general election TOO, for her to win. It's all about money: the oligarchs rule, here

that is why this has become such an issue, the left used to say "safe, legal and rare" and now they are fine with abortion up to birth. Even when I was pro-choice I was against it after the first trimester. The only other countries that are OK with that level of butchery are China and N. Korea...so that should be a red flag for anyone with a soul

its none of those things, basically if you read the draft opinion, the court is saying they don't believe in a right to privacy or any other right that was derived since the founding of this country. So its not just abortion. This is really a race and religion issue masquerading as something else...

@@gambit0913 bwahaha. Ok. Racial equity is in the constitution. Religious freedom is in the constitution. The opinion states that the right to abortion isn't a constitution right and hasn't been codified into federal law. Want the SCOTUS to rule that abortion is a federally mandated right? Pass a federal law. Simple. But good try. The real question is why haven't your Democrat politicians ever passed a federal abortion rights law?

Not hypocrisy. The right has always been big on protecting life and property. If the conservatives consider the fetus as a life worth protecting like any other, then this is just basic law-and-order.

@@nonmagicmike723 Sure. And the last two years we've heard about all the Conservatives who wear masks and get vaccines to protect the lives of the vulnerable...

@@nonmagicmike723 Yes, hypocrisy. The right is constantly opining and whining about THEIR rights. The right has always been big on protecting THEIR lives and THEIR property. So here's the hypocrisy, those rights that they constantly whine about being curtailed, like FREEDOM OF RELIGION, they don't care to take away from the "others". When they create laws based on their religion, they're hypocrites. Also, about property, they couldn't care less about "other's" property as people like Ted Cruz, Moscow Mitch, and the like have pushed for years for congress to make it easier for corporations (especially oil) and the government to seize property from people in order to expand and make more money. It's hypocritical, especially considering that less than 10% of the property that the government and corporations hold is currently being used. Their hypocrites opining about "pro life" when they did everything possible to help spread COVID, when they can offer no solutions for mass gun violence, when they're trying to force births and at the same time repeal or limit the aid that most of those ppl would need in order to have the children. I could go on all day, but I digress. This isn't about life. It's about keeping their base pissed off. As evidenced by the fact that they're still playing victims after successfully completing, through lying, cheating, and stealing, a goal they've had for 50 years. I stand by comment 100% The hypocrisy of the right knows no bounds.

The right? Good God, the leftnis nothing but hypocrisy. Call evil.good.and.good evil ....

Agreed, but sadly it doesnt stop there. It is a game played in the American political theater by right wingers and left wingers, and possibly even the entire world. We need to get away from those games, and playing for "sides," and just focus on issues and problems, one at a time, or a few.

Your premise is flawed. Try again 🤡

It's bleeding through the border. We're not immune to this absurd backwards movement. Dr. Lewis, who is running for leader of the Conservatives, is pro life. Patrick Brown and Pierre Polievre are both pandering to the religious voters for "Their right to preach their faith, and not to have their religious freedoms infringed."

Canada sux 🤡

not so fast... the government of Canada has just allowed a woman to "legally euthanize" herself because she could not afford housing in an area where her extreme allergies to chemicals would not bother her... and now a second woman has applied because she can't afford housing. Our health care system up here will fall apart within the next 10-15 years. In just 10 years, the cost for just Ontario alone will eat up over 80% of Canada's total taxes collected.

lol

@@relaxandsleep978 medically assisted death is a way more dignified way to go, than slowly succumbing to illness and pain. Every animal knows when it's their time. The taking of one's own life is the ultimate exercise of control and bodily autonomy. Why not let people die with dignity?

Imagine a fully grown homeless man with no resources, who is completely utterly dependent on you shows up on your doorstep. And the law says, "you are obligated to to devote your entire life to this man's welfare for 9 at least 9 months. It's quite possible he'll kill you--these things happen. But he's your responsibility now or you're a murderer." The man is no doubt alive, but you're supposed to have rights. Only this scenario is worse, because the person in question is living inside of your body and will at some point rip through it. This is a scenario that can happen any time a man decides to ejaculate inside of you, whether or not you wanted that. Whether or not a man ejaculates inside of you is really kind of up to the man. He can pull out or use a condom....or he can forget to pull out, or slip off the condom. Or he can straight up rape you. Doesn't matter--if he wants to impregnate you, there's really nothing you can do, unless you have the right to abortion. This is not about when life begins. This IS about the rights of women to live and control their own lives and bodies. We are not free without that right.

Debating when life starts is one reason it's a quagmire. Why is that the question, exactly? Life isn't a special thing bestowed upon humans. It's organic chemistry. And that chemistry begins at successful fertilization. And then comes the silly questions like what criminal charge do we slap on a woman who has a miscarriage of a developing fetus so darned small she never knew it even happened? IMO there are no, good, one-size-fits-all rules that can apply to what is essentially a very unpredictable, biological process. Anything can happen from fertilization to late term in the gestation process. Which is why the best thing seems to be leaving it up to the individuals involved and their chosen medical professional in charge of their care. Late term abortions are the rarest of procedures. Usually because, by that time, the people involved know they want to have a baby. When they are performed, it is most often from medical advice due to any number of complications. There's a long list of physical disabilities and diseases both the developing fetus and the mother can contract during pregnancy. Some women breeze through the process with no big issues. But not everyone is so fortunate. And that's why we need the wiggle room; to account for all the exceptions that inevitably pop up along the way. If anyone has some religious or other personal reason to not have abortions, that's their choice. Don't ever get one. But we legalized abortions in this country for good reasons. And attempting to go back in time and make it illegal again with the idea that there will be a different result is utter stupidity. And trying to chip away at it with this or that restriction is the slippery slope that got us to where we are today.

@@Kevin_Williamson see that is a well thought out position. I do not agree. I believe human life is uniquely special. I’m sure the pro-life types do as well. There’s no one size fits all for any issue codified in law. We are just doing our best as a society. I think you bring up a hood overlap on the two sides though…late term. I’m my experience both sides find overlap on that one issue at least. At the end of all the complexities, I don’t think MOST pro-choice women just hate and want to kill babies and I don’t think MOST pro-life types want to control women-if they think it’s a baby at fertilization, they are protecting an independent being in their minds. And that is noble. Overall no matter where this thing lands, we will survive. We have states and we can try things see what works and press. Respect to you. And yes, criminal charges and calling it a homicide in Louisiana is beyond excessive.

@@LionelRWilson -- not sure why it's uniquely special since all living things depend on the exact, same biological process and the exact, same organic chemicals. But I respect a person's right to hold their beliefs and opinions so I won't make an issue of it. You've been civil, which I appreciate very much. I agree with you on late term abortions. I've personally heard those on the "liberal" side even say they prefer to avoid late term abortions, but also acknowledge stuff happens and they are sometimes necessary to save someone's life. In fact, everyone I have ever spoken with on the topic has said it would be great if there was never an abortion. But that's only currently possible in some imaginary, utopian world. Reality is a lot harsher and messier, and we all have to live in reality.

@@Kevin_Williamson you’ve been civil as well. Thank you. Um, the unique specialness of human life has been hotly debated forever. I think at its root though, most of us in early early years. Contemplate life and the finality of death and come out on the other side with one of the philosophies. Why do I believe it? Meta cognition is one reason, how we reason and think about our thinking, how far we’ve come from where we started, just like a bunch of stuff. Even the idea of natural rights. You are a human on the other side writing back to me. You are intrinsically valuable. I do not get to be vile to you because of this. I don’t get to terrorize abortion clinics and docs and make laws, but I have to respect you just for being. I know it’s circular and all over the place and I literally work as a medical scientist so I know exactly where you’re coming from with the similarities between us and other species. Overall though, I hope we don’t lose this. The back and forth that’s where learning happens. You brought up some good points that I didn’t have before and I’m gonna take those with me. Thanks for that.

Because conservatives don't want to go on his stupid show

Thought exactly the same .. why not call out the Dems recent bill to allow abortion up to actual point of birth .. how many seals wold have clapped at this point ..

Lol right! And that lady dares to PRAY for abortion?! Come on man, bring on Mike Huckabee, Micheal Knowles, or Fr Frank Pavone to PRAY for truth, justice, and life

Nearly 80% of the country supports a woman’s right to choose to have an abortion. Why should the entire country cater to the minority of religious zealots living in it?

Have you never watched his show? That's all he has ever done. He might get some token conservative but their voice gets drowned out.

Those people supported “safe legal and rare.” Over 600,000 abortions a year isn’t rare.

@@gregorypalmer4909 In a country of 150 million women, yes it is.

Blackman being appointed by Nixon is the reason for the assumption of the conservative Republican which actually began before Reagan.

Sort of like conflating being a "liberal" like Bill Maher is and a "leftist"

True. By the time Blackmun wrote Roe v. Wade he had a long track record of being liberal. When the Court announced Blackmun would be announcing the decision of the Court, everyone gasped in surprise because they knew what that meant.

I really don't see the big deal with aborting Roe vs Wade... it's not like it's alive, it's only a clump of words

@@relaxandsleep978 Dead lmfao

It's spelled "misery", genius.

You mean like California? Cease pool of the world.

@@relaxandsleep978 science says it's a human life.

Yes they can and they are.

Slavery and abortion cannot be compared. Slavery is a legally established system of labor while abortion is a human vice like prostitution, gambling, drugs, alcohol, and any other action or substance that many people will partake of no matter what its legal status is. As Stephen Douglas pointed out to Lincoln in the Lincoln Douglas debates in 1858 a state could be a "free" state simply by not enacting a slave code. When you outlaw a vice you legally create many nonviolent criminals, you increase corruption in the criminal justice system, and you increase disrespect for the law in general. Exhibit A for this premise is the 18th Amendment that made alcohol illegal. A major side effect of prohibition was the creation and enrichment of the modern American mafia.

@@ericdoberstein8872 Wow that is some mental gymnastics there. Abortion is a vice??? Are you kidding me.

@@MrRjsnowden Of course it's a vice. When abortion was illegal what division of the police investigated it and made arrests? The vice squad.

"There are laws that enslave [women], and laws that set them free." -King Arthur, First Knight It's not easy to see abortion bans as liberating women. They're decisively focused on fetal rights. By requiring a pregnant person's life to be at risk to terminate a pregnancy, and closing all clinics that employ trained abortion doctors, they push lifesaving abortions out of reach and judge a fetus's right to life superior. On the other side, even though state abortion bans lead to medical abortions and interstate travel for families of means. There's some evidence that they reduce abortions in total. The poorest women can't escape. That means, more fetuses develop into babies and enter the world. That liberates more fetuses from abortion. On balance, sacrificing the liberty, and rarely, the lives, of pregnant Americans in favor of potential Americans, looks like a plain violation of equal protection. As Alito explains, however, conservative courts have steadily upheld laws that disproportionately burden women and non-whites (like these bans) absent discriminatory intent. This presents the fundamental problem: calling policies "pro life" shouldn't sanitize those that harden racial and gender inequities. The 14th Amendment doesn't have a "free exercise of religion" exception. The stated motivation should matter less than the obvious impact, or rights like equal protection lose meaning. Since the 14th Amendment aimed to reverse decisions like Dred Scott, protecting the citizenship, freedom, and equality of blacks, Maher's reference to Dred Scott fits.

Agreed that there are extremes on both sides. But that's the great thing about returning the issue to the state level. Let individual states set their own bars. If abortion is that big an issue to someone, either for or against....they can move to a state that suits their beliefs and ideology. I'm quite pro-life (although I'd make exceptions in rape/incest, etc), but if, say, California wants to be the mecca of abortions, it's none of my business, as I don't live there, so I have no dog in the hunt.

@@jrussellcase Understand that the whole “states’ rights” talking point is just a means to an end: banning abortion, by any means possible. The ability of certain states to adopt their own positions has been the Republican line for decades - and yet now in the face of Roe actually being overturned, Mitch McConnell _openly floated_ the idea of passing a total nationwide abortion ban through a Republican Congress. _This was never about states’ rights._

@@robynsun_love actually, if you read the leaked SCOTUS opinion that was written by Justice Alito....it states EXACTLY that, that it be returned to the state level. At no point does it mention a nationwide ban. Now, I'm sure some legislators on the right would like to push a national ban, but the chances of that ever becoming a reality are near zero.

@@jrussellcase Mitch McConnell is the man you can thank for getting those conservative Justices on the Court to begin with. He stood by the “states’ rights” argument for _decades_ - and the _minute_ it looked like states would get to choose to allow abortion or not, McConnell pivoted to saying the federal government would decide for them. Don’t believe a _word_ of their decentralist “small government,” “freedom,” or “states’ rights” rhetoric. It’s a Trojan horse.

@@robynsun_love We get it...we get it...you don't like McConnell. Duly noted.

Well as a man I'm never gonna sex in a red state because I might go to prison.

Not as bad as CA.

I really don't see the big deal with aborting Roe vs Wade... it's not like it's alive, it's only a clump of words

@@BishopWalters12 dude what? California is one of the best states to live, of course the politicians suck. But your state is boooooring af

@@selrox879 Incorrect

Because all of the laws - all of the pro-life laws - make an allowance for the physical health of the mother - which covers ectopic pregnancy. There is not one law pro- life law that does not make that exception. Pro - life people want as many people to live as possible, killing a mom in the first trimester means the kid dies too - that is when ectopic pregancies are found. This is hyperbolee to suggest people who don't want children want their moms to die, which would lead to death of the child too. Also, important note, if you have an ectopic pregancy and you try to have an abortion at Planned parenthood you will bleed out. Ectopic pregnancies require emergency surgery at a hospital and require follow up care.

And please don't tell women that have experienced an ectopic pregnancy that they had an abortion, like a miscarriage being called an abortion, (becuase of medical terms) these arguments are done to impose fear and make heartbroken moms respond emotionally. The key element that is missing is the goal of the procedure was to intentionally kill the child in an abortion. If that is not your goal it is not an abortion.

@@dancer23918 www.house.mo.gov/billtracking/bills221/hlrbillspdf/5798H.01I.pdf "The offense of trafficking abortion-inducing devices or drugs is a class A felony if: The abortion was performed or induced or was attempted to be performed or induced on a woman who has an ectopic pregnancy"

@@dancer23918 how does that compare to pro life senators asking why we are feeding illegal immigrants babies during a formula shortage? Also the laws do not talk about the health of the mother but rather if it threatened her life or irreparable major bodily harm so small amounts of harm or damage are allowed

@@dancer23918 Planned Parenthood would never give an abortion to a woman with an ectopic pregnancy. They would refer to hospital emergency care.

"your viewpoint" is, and should be, irrelevant in determining the constitutionality of written law. Not to be dick, but if a law is poorly written, or flawed in some way, feelings aren't the way to fix it.

Submit an amicus brief. Derp.

Lol do you have a brain? You sound like some Mafioso trying to intimidate a judge. Go and harass your legislators, you cooks.

@@ericw9702 Well, it seems like nothing is gonna work at this point.

@@JnEricsonx exactly. It is not a problem with rational solution. They simply want to control women

Janet Yellen said the quiet part out loud .. "Abortion is good for economy, with abortions work force participation increases" .. this is the real reason for the establishment / Big Corporate backing of abortion .. they make more money from it .. simple as ..

so you want women to be slaves and do unpaid labor, got it.

@@NNick12 Or have a baby hire home help and then become minimum wage guilt ridden train wrecks ..

Go back to the 1920s where your thinking comes from.

Maybe, but the prolifers are the ones celebrating a decision that will leave abortion legal in some states, while the prochoicers are, funnily enough, screaming because from now on the states will have the choice to pass legislation one way or the other. I think it's clear which side is more reasonable.

Such a good point. Everyone I know or see in this debate want either abortion up till the kid is in middle school or to murder all women who have ever had one

@Cora Waller wut yu sai fuc

Ah, thanks for the reminder that many modern "liberals" don't actually want an inclusive country.

Don't kill unborn babies.

Yes, like in Cali where lib thots sacrifice their unborn child to Moloch to escape accountability

Everyone is religious, just some of us have a religion where our god is not ourselves. Also, you don't seem to understand our legislative branch. The house represents the people, the senate represents the states. And just like my rights aren't greater then your rights on an individual level, the rights of CA are not greater then the rights of TN on the state level. To be fair, most people don't understand that the US is a union of sovereign states more then it is a country or nation, and that this is why people get in a hissy fit over senate procedures.

Both parties are the same. Each party ponders to the religion of their constituents, and serves their corporate donors. Kock brothers, ExxonMobil, Pfizer, Moderna, etc

If my 'ma' was alive, i would just love, and hug her again ! (ma her ?) Boy, am i glad, i was not ' murdered' ! =abortion is what IT IS. WAKE UP ! USA

@@petersack5074 Clearly a bot

@Adeline Pratt Are you in the party of no common sense by chance?

The sensible Democrat party you refer to never existed. Democrats are the party of slavery and segregation.

Now if only we could find somebody to bring back the old sensible Republican party

I agree. Traditional and constitutionally what is deemed a homicide is a right reserved to the state. Also if people don’t like laws at the state level they can vote with their feet and move. Also I read the 6th amendment and it is ambiguous gibberish.

There is no such thing as an abortion at 9 months. It is simply called birth. Would you pro-life assholes please get that straight.

this idea that people are just out willy nilly aborting at close to 9 months is just so dumb.

Unfettered abortion is NOT what Americans want…6% of population is okay with killing a nine month fetus WAIT WHAT!? THATS INFANTICIDE

@@natejones8508 That's literally what the congressional law vote was.

If it’s so dumb, why don’t they vote on a bill that has well defined markers for when abortion would be illegal? Answer...there is no such time when an abortion should be illegal.

Yup, I agree with that, hypocritical and inconsistent views on both sides for sure.

Because that's what it is. How is that hard to understand? The pro life argument is flawed as shit. Yeah I know that embryo has no nervous system or any capacity to know anything or even what it is but it has more rights then you, the mother, so have it. That's hilarious if you ask me.

@@maliktp13 I am a bunch of cells and so are you. Secondly, how does the baby have more rights than the mother?

@@lazyakers It doesn't, it's a organism that has no capacity to understand what it is and thus has no ability to think for itself, which requires time to develop through the normal stages of birth. If I can't advocate for itself then how does it have autonomy over there mother? It's alot of assumptions with little evidence to back it up.

@@maliktp13 Firstly, it was the mother and father’s “choice” to create the baby in the first place. Secondly, your comments about an unborn baby’s lack of understanding can be said about an infant…. or any child under the age of four or five. Are they lesser humans in your view? Older people lose their mental faculties as they grow older. Again, are they lesser humans?

@@lazyakers Are you comparing the cognitive ability of a full grown baby with that of an embryos? Please tell me you are. Also that's a shit comparison. You can't equate seniority or a babies limited understanding of the world to an organism that isn't sentient until it reaches a certain stage and doesn't even know what life is. Also does your both sides argument work in cases of incest or rape?

Like it was before the civil war... States right states rights... The right to do what again?

What else can they offer though?

@@lpk6372 Damn, you're right, the GOP is telling people these are human beings worthy of rights, and the Democrats saying they're not human, just property. Crazy the consistency on that one issue, even after 162 years

@@lpk6372 The right to determine abortion laws and the specific guidelines of it.

@@theeccentrictripper3863 are they? Cause you and your GOP don't help the parents who are struggling you don't keep systems to help anyone who is poor or need help. No good schools, no good health care. This is clear in your platform Plans... What's this plan going around the Republican side that will raise taxes on the poor and middle class? You claim to care about people yet you sure dont show it.

@The Herman Cain Awards And by militia, You mean “Armed Citizens”? Getting stronger everyday

@The Herman Cain Awards ... Less guns do not ensure people are better off either.

@The Herman Cain Awards Maybe, but this subject deserves serious, considerate debate and neither side seems willing to listen to the other, or consider that maybe they are wrong. How do we fix that?

We need all rights, not just a select few based on politics.

@@toddmintz4269 No we mean actual militia like state NG or US Army. Yer drinking buddies ain't a militia.

Moloch

....? ....probly their ''' phones''.....doofuses.....

God? Have you read the Bible? 😂

Ba'al most likely

Of course it doesn't affect you therefore it isn't an important issue.

@@michelestidhamwhitmore8313 There are over seven billion people on this planet. Importance is relevant not absolute.

Yep

Wdym why rare?

@@teacopem they are pointing out the emphasis on what rare once meant. The action in question was deemed unpopular and looked at in a negative light, seen as unethical or immoral if you will. I believe the OP is pointing out that today that doesn't seem to be the case for one side of the aisle.

It's unpleasant. You think people have them for funsies?

Better Healthcare, Mandatory Sex education, Mandatory Contraception implants at 12 years old - 18, life imprisonment for those Men that rape or molest girls or women! WOW a lot of laws could be passed that are 🤣🤣🤣🤣 crazy,!

@Ernesta Eugene Thankyou for your quick response. You just proved my point.,😅

So the laws that say you can kill a baby up to 28 days after birth are not?

@@stripedtigress rubbish

@@stripedtigress Those cases are rare but that doesn't matter to you huh? Doesn't fit my narrative? Make shit up and feel like I'm right!

@@maliktp13 Rape and incest are rare in abortion but you don't care about that.

Not really. We had to have the civil war to get rid of slavery. Other countries reasoned their way out of it. Roe is one of the most extreme abortion laws on the planet (easily top 10 when coupled with Doe v. Bolton).

Lets not stop there. Lets take a look at what happens during an abortion at multiple stages of the pregnancy. Lets talk about the mental impacts of abortion on women who have them, and lets not forget that the majority of anti abortion supporters are women.

@@MrRjsnowden Well, a lot of them have had abortions, but don't want other women to have the choice.

@@MrRjsnowden You are correct, of course, but I had meant to factor all those mental impacts into the omnibus list of risks I was suggesting. And I think that the only people who should be taken seriously when debating about abortion rights and bodily autonomy are women...we men wouldn't want women deciding if we should submit to forced vasectomies as a form of birth control now, would we?

I suggest if you support abortion you look at the faces of the frozen aborted babies in the apartment in DC. You should look at what you support. These babies had no choice.

It might have change with the jab

RBG herself didn't think "privacy" was the right way to do it either. She felt that Roe V Wade protected the doctor more than the woman...

How would i even enforce it the Missouri one really gets me how the Hell could u enforce where people get pregnant? Not only tha but the states that are saying if your from a state that bans it u will be charged what r they gonna do make u take pregnancy test everytime females leave the state

@@ralphpal Abortion or pregnancy can't be passed airborne. That a false equivalency. (Also calling a life saving vaccine a "jab" is top tier cry baby) If you are knowingly sick or knowingly not vaccinated you endanger others. Pregnancy isn't the same at all.

Force them to do “something”? You mean five birth to their own son or daughter? Is that the “something” you are talking about? There’s a reason why you people don’t mention the thing we are talking about.

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Finally someone with brains. Yes, republicans stops women having a choice when it comes to their reproductive rights, democrats with va**ine mandates

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Republicans are already talking about a federal abortion ban which directly contradicts their so called desire to have this debated at the state level. This is all a scam from the radical christian right who want to impose their version of the sharia in the USA.

No need for debate or state decisions. The issue about when a fertilized egg becomes a person and at what point a woman should be forced to continue a pregnancy, regardless of the reason she may not want to. There is no consensus about this, never has been. It's unethical to allow the religious or moral objections of a minority to dictate what a woman should do when facing an unwanted pregnancy, if the fetus is not viable, or her health/well-being is at risk. We don't have a theocratic form of government, but it appears some Christian activists want it that way. The only person who should decide about having an abortion is the woman involved. As long as there are unwanted pregnancies there will be a demand for abortions. History has shown that someone will serve this demand, no matter whether it is illegal or not. The abortion business will simply move from regular clinics to secret or sinister places and into the darknet where one can order abortion pills. And those women who can afford it will then simply have an abortion abroad if it becomes illegal in the US. Poor women will resort to unsafe measures and some will die. The major conundrum is how to enforce a ban, when our judicial system is already overburdened. The "Bounty" plan in Texas only serves to pit neighbor against neighbor, in order to score a payout- not to mention women who have miscarried at home could possibly be under investigation. Much like the Temperance Movement, the conservatives who are intent on overturning Roe v Wade are leading this country into a Prohibition part 2, whether states are left to decide or if the GOP takes Congress and abortion is eventually banned nationwide. We all know how things turned out with Part 1. Organized crime was rampant, people found ways to get alcohol, and the law was unenforceable. If men are concerned about abortion and are "playing the field", then they should take responsibility for spreading their seed and have a vasectomy. Pregnancy starts with sperm, male orgasm and putting his noodle in the right place at the right time. No one is forcing him and he knows the result of unprotected sex as much as any woman does. Vasectomies are safe, painless and the most effective form of birth control. It's also reversible if and when there's a committed relationship where both parties are ready for a child. No more unwanted pregnancies, no worries about contraception, or abortion. Everyone wins. You're welcome.

@@ga6589 0.5% of abortions are from rape and incest. The others are not. 99.5% of the rest of the hundreds of thousands are not women becoming pregnant by drinking the tap water.

@@Pangora2 It's really none of your business, or anyone else's, why a woman would seek an abortion. But, I'll play along: Pregnancy starts with sperm, male orgasm and a guy putting his noodle in the right place at the right time. Men should be held accountable for spreading their seed, rather than the forced birthers vilifying women whose contraception failed. Vasectomy is simple, safe, highly effective and reversible- it should be mandated. Signed consent of a partner, proof of gainful employment and a criminal background check would be required for reversal. No worries about unwanted pregnancies or birth control. It would end the abortion debate once and for all. Everyone wins! I’m sure the forced-birthers will be the first to sign on to this common-sense solution, because they so desperately want their government in control of women's bodies. This plan deals with pregnancy at the source.

I don’t think it should be a state or should have been a Federal law via Roe vs. Wade to began with. The issue here is abortion has always been legal before people started saying…. “I believe abortion is morally wrong… therefore that person shouldn’t have access to it”. The decision should have always been left to the woman and in some cases the husband.

Because the states that outlaw it are imposing it on everyone. The states that keep it legal aren’t forcing anti-abortion activists to be involved in any way. They’re leaving people alone.

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That's not how it works. The 5th and 14th amendments establish Due Process and Incorporation. Incorporation means that the bits of the constitution that describe individual rights not only limit the Fed, but also the states. This is why the first amendment cannot be violated by states, not just by the federal government. Roe v Wade, Griswold and other cases rely on a 'right of privacy' interpreted from the 14th. Like free speech, privacy is derived from the constitution as a personal right so Incorporation prevents states from violating it too. The issue here is that reversing roe means reversing a constitutional right to privacy derived from the 14th. This could open the floodgates to all types of crazy stuff. Griswold for example protects the right to use contraception via right to privacy, anti LGBT sodomy laws A counterexample would be something like insurance. This isn't mentioned in the constitution, and insurance doesn't conflict with individual rights in the bill of rights or anywhere else, so it's up for grabs to be regulated by individual states, and in fact it's HIGHLY regulated by the states, especially life insurance. However, the interstate commerce clause means that the Fed gov't could legalize buying/selling insurance across state lines, triggering the interstate clause and justifying fed regulation. Insurance isn't a big issue so it's left as is with individual states. On the other hand the stock market involves public companies and shareholders across all fifty states so it is federally regulated.

Nope. How about we refuse to capitulate to these backwards, ignorant, hateful people?

so basic human rights should be a states rights issue and not law of the land?

@@daveruda America is a republic it's okay for other states to think differently than you do why can't you let this get that why does everything have to be some global

@@stud6414 Maybe because of the "...certain inalienable rights..."thing. Add to the fact my federal tax money is used to help those same state stay afloat.

@@daveruda many states criminalise defending yourself and your belongings from thieves already. it might be good to see many states give different rules as to when and how to get abortions so we can see what works and what doesn’t.

Under every Republican administration, America has been economically booming without chaos. Under Biden--- like Carter in the late 70s--- America has become a nation of inflation and criminal chaos, especially in "Blue States."

Projection Mr. 72 Genders 😂😂😂

Yeah because the last year and a half under the Dems has gone just swimmingly. Afghanistan, inflation, Ukraine, China, a coming recession- all in 18 months. Its not a race to the bottom with dems, its a race to societal collapse. Socially, its already happening, nationally, it may be too late to undo. Fringe liberals and their mental illness have absolutely destroyed the United States of America. You people are like a cancer. You ruin everything you touch.

Are you intending to be taken seriously? It's just about impossible to to argue that it's only the GOP (at least when arguing in good faith). Both parties are on a race to the bottom. After all, you currently have millions of Democrats lying about the pro life movement (most pro lifers support abortion when the life of the mother is at stake, yet there are articles from places like The Guardian trying to pretend that that isn't the case and claim that Trump supporters are abortion absolutists. The Democratic party is literally silencing the voices of millions of women. That isn't going to end as well for them as they expect.

Actually the federal government has to set standard laws for all 50 states. How would elections work if every state had their own election day?

@@christinebenson518 National elections for states to elect their representatives at the federal are common sense! The process of ‘how’ is not in the Constitution. Civics taught in your school? Probably not because the people who really run the country want to keep us stupid .. and controllable!

And it can also be true that people should have legal access to abortion in their first term regardless of the reason, and that abortion is arguably morally wrong.

@@juliekring7574 I think it would be much harder to argue that abortion is not morally wrong, I also think your fist statement (while obviously an opinion) is not a great one

What is abhorrent about these pending abortion laws is that even victims of rape and incest will be FORCED to go through with the pregnancy under penalty of being charged with homicide if they refuse to accede to the state and get an abortion elsewhere.

Do you know what percentage of abortions are " late term " abortions? They are almost exclusively done when the foetus isn't viable and/or the mother's life is at risk if birth takes place. It's sad that the facts of this have been left out so Christian Republicans can divide the nation and tell their supporters that healthy babies are being killed by their mothers right up to 40 weeks. It just doesn't happen.

Problem is bad faith actors pedalling crap. You had fox's Peter doocey pedalling conspiracy crap to jen psaki about babies being aborted just before birth. You know the next thing will be more unwanted pregnancies, more back street abortions (because back when banned, abortions were similar levels, but higher female mortality in botched procedures. Also, they will go after birth control. And who knows if you are charged with manslaughter if you had a drink with alcohol or a cigarette and you had a miscarriage, as that will be seen as purposely creating a "situation" for miscarriage.

The state does. The house always wins.

@S Ri 🤣

@S Ri Like a slave?

@@simplenough I reject that. Each person owns their own life. States always try but so far we have seen how brittle totalitarianism is. We're seeing it in China and we'll be seeing more of it here if we don't find a balance between the private individual, the private sector and the public sector. I, for one, still recognize Natural rights. The child belongs to themselves.

@S Ri Ever heard of Amelia Dyer? Children are a gift that we are to give guidance as caretakers, teachers and gaurdians until they are fully able to claim their own lives and decisions. The child owns themselves, as do all people, black, white, old or young.

You don't need religion to read about the details of an abortion and confirm that a human life is indeed being killed. The logical extension of realizing that killing is taking place is to outlaw it.

This is why I can never be right wing or conservative. I don’t believe in god(s) and think the bible isn’t a good moral foundation.

@@curious1053 I hope this message finds you. I am a Conservative Canadian and I am an Anti-Theist. I Encourage you to consider the rights position especially if you're Canadian. If you're American I would say being a Republican is nearly just as important. I know Republicans can be pretty retarded but over all Conservative and traditional values are what builds success and successful families.

@@TheRealHaans you’re not wrong. Strong families make strong cities, states and nations.

It has nothing to do with religion. It’s about having any kind of decent morals. It is mind blowing to me that so many people feel it is ok to kill an innocent child. Pro choice thinking is VERY narcissistic. It’s all about me me me. What about my body changing, what about my emotions, what about my finances etc. This isn’t about YOU this is about killing an innocent life!

How often does that happen? Do you think most women who undergo abortions just do it casually like it's any old procedure? If you think that's the case, I can assure you you are mistaken. Ultimately, people need to mind their own business and let the woman and her doctor decide what is best for her.

Yes. I goggled a 15 week old fetus. It had arms, legs and legs. It was a baby.

@@Stryke2wice It's no different than all the pro choice advocates who act like every abortion centers on incest.

70% of women who have abortions had been using at least 1 form of birth control. Maybe do some research before spouting outright lies.

@@christinebenson518 Please provide that study

Massachusetts is keeping abortion?

@@menoyuno8430 we are so blue I can't imagine otherwise. Would be shocked

Not even close, regardless of what theocrats try to do in the world

Who decides what its morally right or wrong?

@@okocha8113 first is the pain receptors, "I don't want to be murdered i don't want to be stolen from I don't want to be hurt I don't want raped..." These kinda stuff can be felt by everyone and they make up the Top moral values in every society The second moral values are petty ones like is burping ok after eating a meal, there are countries and places where if you burp after your meal you're actually thanking the cook!

@@XnonTheGodd so society decides morals? If one society says that stealing is right, are they wrong?

@@XnonTheGodd A moral system which merely seeks to avoid suffering doesn’t work, both because suffering is unavoidable, and because suffering is not in and of itself evil, it is just some thing that happens like rain, or the tides.