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Wow SubhanAllah such a powerful argument we are used to the traditional dependency and KALAM arguments but this one is actually mind blowing about experiences etc I might have to rewatch this a couple of times as a lot of gems were mentioned throughout this video May Allah bless brother Firas and The one and only destroyer of Darwinism brother Subboor
Siyar Joya Actually that is a big misconception, Ibn Taymiyyah was against some aspects of the arguments because they aren’t related to the Quran and Sunnah However he agreed with many others like the contingency argument (which is an amazing and powerful argument) and the cosmological argument if Ghazali
Mohammad Hdieb Just found an article about Kalam. It is true that there are valid points. Nevertheless, it’s not the way Islam was understood by the Salaf and I don’t if you agree but first generation were the best in adherence to the religion. Then the one after them and so on. So if they didn’t use these arguments in their times, we shouldn’t either. Allah knows best. If you’re interested, I can send you the link
Siyar Joya I definetly agree with you that the Salaf didn’t use these arguments but we need to understand that there was no need for these arguments at that time Ibn Taymiyyah who was very strict in adopting teachings different to that of the Salaf accepted many KALAM arguments and linked them to the Quran There might be some aspects of KALAM which are not found in the Quran and sunnah but the majority of arguments can be argued to be referenced in the Quran And AllahuAllam
As a reference point at around 12:00 Firas actually discusses Imam Ghazali's point about the possibility of a faculty existing that can usurp the faculty of reason, and this can be found in Ghazali's book 'Deliverance From Error', which we highly recommend Muslims should study when it comes to dealing with concepts of certainty, truth, skepticism etc.
I’m not so sure I’m convinced by this argument. Perhaps I haven’t grasped it, but it seems to me that you could use that line of reasoning to argue all kinds of mythical inventions are real too, like the unicorn, or a goblin.
@@Zak-gl4igThose are not simple concepts. They are composite concepts based on simpler concepts. For example: When talking about a unicorn, you are mixing two concepts: a horse and a horn.
Firaz has a gift of explaining complex ideas in layman terms. Not a student of philosophy but everything made sense. Thank you brother may Allah reward you for this.
This guy is a gold-mine masha'allah! Learned some many things already in such a short video. Brother Firas, would be happy to meet you someday insha'allah! Subboor bhai, keep up the good work.
Suboor Ahmed Should Upload more videos of Firas Zahabi, Because Firas Zahabi is very intelligent & he has very Amazing Arguments for the Existence of God& very deep knowledge of Philosophy.
22:25 "We are all experiencing God all the time" - This, right here, is the reality of Ibrahim (as). It is our own egos that prevent us from knowing this truth. Its good to have ayats of Quran floating in the conciousness, it stablizes the acts of hearing and seeing and keeps one humble. Stay motivated my brothers and sisters, because its not the reward or avoidance of punishment we are supposed to strive for. Allah knows best.
As a Muslim I would say, imagine living in the age of one of the prophets so that you see yourself miracles in front of your eyes and argue with those who saw it but not believed in without the need of all of this philosophical and cosmological argumentation. Simple life, work, marry, believe and have strongest evidence witnessed by everyone in the city, die knowing you are on the right path. If only life is that simple!
MashaAllah.. I love what the Dawah scene is doing in General.. Big fan of Brother Suboor and Firas Zahabi and equally a fan of the Dawah scene. It is videos and channels like this (and Epistemix) that help clear the misconception that people subscribe to a faith/religion due to a lack of intellect and that somehow Atheism is intellectually superior. It also helps make the average Muslim stronger in their Iman as a lot of times we are unable to put our ideas and beleifs and reasons for belief into words that are easy to understand. Finally, it also helps spread the truth that is Islam. May Allah bless everyone who takes a part in any kind of dawah sincerely. These are the kind of youtube channels we need. Subscribed!!!
One of the best videos I have seen on RU-vid. This has been recommended to me when I was looking for criticism on the same argument! Man, I thought I brought a new argument, turns out I've been beaten to it so many times!
Do you understand about covenants? If you did brother you'd be a Christian. You know the covenant was only up to Jesus after this humans experience God you know why as the word of God became flesh and humans experience God in Jesus. He came down to show us exactly who God was as no man can see God in hes full glory and live
This video actually changes the way of my thinking. Yes we can't think anything that we didn’t experienced.Only one true God Allah(SWT) is ultimate and we are experiencing Him every moment. May Allah guide us all to the straight path.❤️❤️❤️ May Allah reward you brother for this wonderful work you are doling. ❤️
Subboor akhi, I am happy I tracked you, I was about to post a message to ask about the reason you no longer in the park, and then I found your channel, then I found out about brother Firaz too, I like listening to intellectual talks within the islamic framework, May Allah reward you all and please keep up this amazing work.
Great to have Br Firas in Br Suboor's channel. Quran emphasizes this concept. We are all have bias through preferences driven by Ideology(s) which from brain habitual traits which is shortcuts to fill some level of void of ignorance, employs as belief/faith. While we Muslim (supposedly) have biases toward absoluteness (as Firas said, A Perfection), Haq, the Only source of vision we ultimately subscribed to, while the other "believer" have biases toward subjectivity or multiple subjectivities with minute uncertainties at best. Muslim have been given one of a viable options, which will advocate this absolute ideology, through all ages & eras, to keep the biases in check in practically anything, which is Ikhsan. Wallahu a'lam
very interesting and we would love more videos but a little bit longer and more profound and complex please,I want to thank both of you br subbour and br firas huge respect
May Allah reward you bro!! The brother has presented amazing proofs on how human beings innately believe in god as the default position whether they like it or not - MashaAllah! I used to just be a major fan of this brother from Mma perspective but now this side of him is more interesting to me! JazakAllahkhair
Sometimes in my childhood, I stared for like half minute or so, in those times I racall being amazed of how I am alive, and thinking, the closest thing that could resemble it is out of body experience though it was not it, maybe because i was new to being alive, you brought it back.
Even Coach Zahabi does not fully grasp (like myself), the depths of (some of) what was just articulated. Amazing! The idea of understanding God through reductionism is quite in line with our testimony of faith which also begins with that ever so powerful negation of there being absolutely NONE worthy of worship....save ALLAH. لا اله الا لله
Interesting point at the start. I wonder if atheists fail every multiple answer question. They study one answer thoroughly and come to the conclusion that it’s wrong, therefore they deduce every other answer is also wrong, and come out of the exam having circled not a single answer.
Abd-l Basith answer this multiple choice question honestly for me. What did you eat today? A. Caviar from japan B. Raw eggs C. A brick Im going to assume you didnt eat any of the three options, so is it even possible for you to answer my question? Same goes with any other multiple choice question. So.... If i were to ask a atheist, are you: A. Muslim B. Christian C. Jew He too would not be able to answer the question. In other words, if you do not give the option of something to be the answer, it cannot be given either. So to say that this is a false analogy would be a euphimism. This is a dishonest analogy.
@@KK-yb9lk It depends on the genuineness of the question you are asking. For example, in this case, you conveniently constructed a question to suit your point, specifically designed to get a desired answer and not honest an answer. You ignored options such as "all of the above" or "none of the above" which are also considered correct answers if given as an option.
@@condorianonegdiffsgoku Hamdulilah my conviction in Islam is strong, i've read many islamic philosophy as wel (incl Al Ghazali works). I just find it intresting (sometimes amusing) to know how athiest think.
@@condorianonegdiffsgoku a well read muslim can never turn into an atheist. The existence of a God is a MUST, there is no otherway. And Islam compared to other religions is FAAAR ABOVE intellectually and instictivly. So there is nothing that can overthrow islam.
Abdullah bin Salam said: “When the Prophet (ﷺ) came to Al-Madinah, the people rushed to meet him, and it was said: ‘The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) has come! The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) has come! The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) has come!’ Three times. I came with the people to see him, and when I saw his face clearly, I knew that his face was not the face of a liar. The first thing I heard him say was when he said: ‘O people! Spread (the greeting of) Salam, feed others, uphold the ties of kinship, and pray during the night when people are sleeping, and you will enter Paradise with Salam.”*
Mashallah very thought provoking video. I still wish he could expand more on the augmentation argument because I feel he didnt fully debunk it here. Or maybe he did but I didnt get it.
That was my argument throughout my life and there are many ways in proving this notion as being true. As you said, a blind man cannot possibly imagine or describe colours, a born blind man someone who has been blind since birth. That was my argument every time an atheists asks for evidence for God, the point is, is the blind man rational to accept that such thing as a colour really does exist or should he be sceptic and denies that it's possible? Yes, some atheists might argue well, there are billions of people who can tell that blind man that colours does exist. a) Why should he believe them? b) Theists also have many reasons to believe that such thing exists as God, and we have his prophets and messengers who can tell us, hey listen God does exist look what he makes me do and say, that no other normal human can do.
There an aya in quran were ALLAAH subhana wa ta3ala says (interpretation of the meaning); "so KNOW, that there is no god that is worthy of worship, except ALLAAH" THE KEY WORD HERE, IS KNOW. and ALLAAH knows best
Thank you very much brother Subbor for inviting the great, humble and lovely intellectual brother Firas Az-Zahabi to give us this great insight! Brother Firas I am by no means a "Mufassir" and I don't claim to be one... But this idea has to do something with the verse in Qur'an in which Allah (جلا وعلا) says: "وعلم آدم الأسماء كلها..." Surat Al-Baqara - Verse 31 English translation: "And He taught Adam all the names".
You must complete the verse, Allah say: (And He taught Adam the names - all of them. Then He showed them to the angels and said, "Inform Me of the names of these, if you are truthful." They said, "Exalted are You; we have no knowledge except what You have taught us. Indeed, it is You who is the Knowing, the Wise." ) [2:31]. Also: (And they ask you, [O Muhammad], about the soul. Say, "The soul is of the affair of my Lord. And mankind have not been given of knowledge except a little." ).
@@alibenmussa Thanks for completing the verse... Although it actually didn't contradict anything regarding my point, I would say it may even added more to the point I am asking about. Thanks anyway!
Your first proposition about internal religion in line with external revelation is pretty much the argument of ibn Taymiyyahs Also the reductionism argument seems to be ibn Sinas argument for soul .. did i get it right? Also i like how you pointed to the possiblity of knowing God through constant experience indicating God is actually interacting/interacted with us would have liked it better if you used the islamic term 'fitrah' might have made things easier to reflect for people regarding what concept are you talking about. However I would like to hear a detailed breakdown and your refutation regarding Humean augmentation argument.
Yes exactly, when we as muslims talk in public, use terms everyone can understand. That is the same reason why non muslims are flipping and freaking out when someone mentions Jihad, its been missrepresented. And some muslims still dont get it the keep yelling Jihad our Jihad.. None muslims be like ok u extremes we dont accept you. So as brother explaind use a simple Ideas/words, cuz Jihad e.g. is wide and complex.
@@Mugetsu669 I would have liked it better if he used the word Fitrah. The uniqueness in islam is this concept of Fitrah. Only few non islamic sources has it probably John Calvin in Chrsitianity assert it. I think it should be made more mainstream than using a universal word.
@@syedahmedshaheer117 how do you not understand our point, a non muslim would never ever understand it and even less accept it as standard especially in a public speach, or an online video like this where you invite really everyone to watch it and debate, use simple words everyone can understand. You could have used it but that would be just arrogant. Rather put it in simple terms, make a soild foundament and build from there, otherwise people wont debate with you cuz they wont understand you. If you are in a "closed only muslim" debate its totally fine to use whatever specific Islamic terms, everyone will be able to follow.
@@Mugetsu669 i understand your point but i dont agree with it. I have been into islamic theology for a very long time now and i think our concept needs to be mainstreamed not just through ideas but its technicalities as well which will be missed without the terminology.
Lovely subhanAllah. Could you pleaseee!!! Elaboraye on your last few mins abourlt reductionism and how if you remove everything you come to know God? This is the important part and coukd do with elaboration in order to reflect.. jazakAllah
To know for certain, anything is to delude yourself, and to inhibit your self from tuning in to the realm of possibility that comes with the unknown because that’s what potential is, it is unknown
Firas please make another video like this and complicate it I'd really like that at least to a point where I can follow and understand. I'm sure I'm not alone.
Thanks a lot, this is very interesting! Where can I search for more information because at the moment this is quite difficult to understand. It almost feels like to understand this, is a contradiction? May God reward both of you for your efforts, ameen
I suggest reading about the mentioned philosophers, another one I can advise to read is Marcus Aurelius - Meditations. Also according to some comments here he seems to derive some knowledge from Imam Ghazzali.
From my experience in reading David Hume's work, I find it hard to believe that he actually was an atheist, most of his philosophical arguments / points tend to bash atheism's "core" I am putting this out there for everybody else, was he really an atheist? I can believe that he didn't believe in the God of the Bible, but I am unable to reconcile his work with his alleged atheistic disposition. I know that they are trying to present all great minds as "atheists" but after a quick research the truth is revealed about these people, that they were not atheists. some of them were agnostics, some didn't necessarily believe in a particular religion or doctrine but they were not atheists as per its modern definition. So I kind of agree that atheism does not exist, it is maintained by some as a fact but after careful scrutiny and analysis you can't help but come to the conclusion that the notion of atheism cannot be defended. Atheism is simply untenable.
samuel barry there is an issue with semantics that frequently occurs today. When most people refer to themselves as atheist what they really mean is that they do not believe in any of the worlds religions, nor that a higher order being purposefully created us. They are not denying the possibility of a force that created the universe, but rather that this force is not the one that religions claim it is. Agnostic today really just means that you’re not sure whether there is a “religious” god or not (a god that created us with intent or that has communicated with us). Even though the proper terminology for atheism is that they actively believe there is no god, no reasonable atheist would make that claim as there’s no way to prove it. So rather than specifying that they don’t believe that there is a god (especially a religious one) but because they cannot prove it they must call themselves agnostic, they just use the term Atheist to refer to not believing in a religious god.
