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ACC commissioner Jim Phillips wrapped up the league's Spring meetings with comments on turmoil in his conference. He made it VERY clear that he is going to make it as hard as possible for Florida State and Clemson to leave the league.
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The ACC is NOT going to settle with FSU/Clemson. Is Jim Phillips right?
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@davidkreitzer4401 29 дней назад

The ACC lied to get the members to sign an extension. That contract should be considered null and void.

@artpowers812 29 дней назад

Oh come on, nobody lied. All that stuff was known at the time. Thing is now that some schools want to welch on the agreement they all thought was at least an ok deal at the time.

@Nohandleentered 28 дней назад

Lied, how? Or about what?

@user-kn7ry8iz6x 28 дней назад

You would have to KNOW the TRUTH to know WHO is LYING. You obviously do not know the Truth.

@followthemoneyhoney 28 дней назад

@@artpowers812 no, they did lie, the schools just didn't realize until afterwards. it was a main reason for the mag 7 discussing disbanding the ACC a year ago

@artpowers812 28 дней назад

@@user-kn7ry8iz6x FSU has a "truth" that they will be better off in the P2. But their lack of truth is the validity of the GOR

@adamb6370 29 дней назад

That comment had little to do with FSU and Clemson and more to do with UNC. Sending a message to BoT that trying to leaving will be painful and expensive

@seekingthetruth2748 29 дней назад

He is saying that because of the ligitation. He looks like an idiot, but he thinks saying basketball brings in more money shows that he doesn't know anything. You don't know what is going on behind the scene.

@user-kn7ry8iz6x 28 дней назад

@@seekingthetruth2748 He looks that way because he has been forced into an argument with Idiots and most people BELIEVE the LIES of the IDIOTS.

@pnut3844able 28 дней назад

And THAT'S why Miami hasn't made a move. They see what's going on and how much absurd money it'll cost, only to possibly not be able to leave

@anthonypalicka4776 29 дней назад

The ACC is going to be their own undoing at this point.

@tarheel7406 29 дней назад

Maybe... The BI812 really died as a peer major from TEXAS poison. The PAC effectively died completely from delusion. Will managing its decline too aggressively be fatal to the ACC?

@Sendthemback69 29 дней назад

Question - aren’t college football conferences set for this year? Why are we talking so much about conference realignment when we have a full schedule of football coming this Fall? How about we talk about some early matchups. Miami at Florida Gators. Cam Ward goes into the Swamp… How do you 25 year old geniuses peg this game?

@LockedOnCollegeFootball 29 дней назад

If you don't care for the realignment content, I have 3 segments on every show and you can click in the description to jump to either of the other 2!

@Sendthemback69 29 дней назад

@@LockedOnCollegeFootball - just trying to help. Your subscriber numbers are really low for doing national coverage and I just want to help. If you have three segments, list them on the RU-vid page that we see first so we don’t think that everything is about the ACC and conference realignment in 2026. There is a ton more going on than talking about realignment. How about spending some time talking about how teams look going into this season. We are a few months away from the 2024 season and most folks are tired of talking about 2026. You kids like talking about this crap. Spencer, we know you are a Duck fan and feel pretty good about it. If the Ducks hadn’t initiated all this nonsense, we wouldn’t be talking about this 2026 stuff. How about a segment on how the Ducks and the Huskies really messed up college football moving forward. Greedy UofO and UW messed all this up for the rest of us.

@LockedOnCollegeFootball 29 дней назад

@@Sendthemback69 On every show I put the timestamps (which you can click on) in the description to go to each segment (which are of course explained)

@followthemoneyhoney 28 дней назад

@sendthemback69 august 15: deadline for ACC schools to announce whether they are leaving the conference because, as you so rightly state, season schedules are set a year out. so it's all about what happens in the next three months... or nothing can happen until next august

@pnut3844able 28 дней назад

Bc it's the off-season, there's not much to talk about

@Mr.Ed_Wayner 29 дней назад

UNC you are on the clock. Spencer, what % of true freshman QB’s play enough their first year to use an eligibility? With portal I don’t think it matters where freshman QB’s go.

@LockedOnCollegeFootball 29 дней назад

4 games is the max you can play to utilize a redshirt--there aren't many true freshmen QBs that start in CFB. There will be a couple this year like Raiola at Nebraska but it's few and far between

@rx2878 29 дней назад

Never Settle.

@davidbrown386 29 дней назад

Spencer I agree with you, the ACC should settle. Here are the problems for the ACC. 1:,One thing ALL businesses hate is UNCERTAINTY. ESPN is no different. If the ACC delays and this goes past 02/01:25, ESPN is not re-upping ( at least at a price comparable to what they are paying now). 2: Judge Cooper in Leon County and to a lesser extent Judge Bledsoe in Mecklenburg County are urging both sides to settle. If a Judge suggests something it is something to strongly consider. Instead the ACC is going into a “Bunker Mentality” which reminds me of the PAC “ Bunker Mentality.” We all know what happened.

@DLTJR1959 29 дней назад

The PAC did not have a contract signed until 2036 like the ACC does. Different situation. Why would ESPN not re-up? They have Florida State and Clemson at a discount now? Phillips is doing what any commissioner in this situation would do. I understand. Don't necessarily agree with it but I understand why he's doing it.

@tarheel7406 29 дней назад

ESPN offered a deal to the then very unstable PAC after the USC/UCLA news. ESPN offered a deal to the then paranoid BIG12 when every member was still looking to move. Both of those had to be accepted, while ESPN need only elect for the ACC. If the ACC contracts get negated, I can see: a) B1G takes ND & MAMI b) SEC takes UNC, CLEMSON, DUKE & UVA c) FSU is forced into the BIG12 with a +1 d) The ACC remainders rebuild as a Tier 2 with the BIG12

@davidbrown386 29 дней назад

If you read what I said, you would note I emphasized the uncertainly involving the ACC and it’s future membership. If Florida State, Clemson and everyone else are guaranteed to be staying until 2036, that is one thing, but most people do not see that happening. But short of that, the payments to the ACC will be going down, regardless of it is ESPN or anyone else. If Phillips and the ACC choose to fight this, I think it is entirely possible FSU and Clemson have to play both 2025 & 2026 until the ESPN agreement ends. But that also means they will be paying < $100m to leave and that number might be < $50m and that would be a “Pyrrhic victory” for Phillips and the ACC

@tarheel7406 29 дней назад

@@davidbrown386 Do you ever learn? First read my earlier comment on some history of ESPN offering deals to unstable conferences. Second, remember that ESPN considers all P5 remainders to be fungible and with an ~$30M per value. Third, remember that the conference below got a Tier 2 deal: WVU (small state low prestige flag) CINCY (G5) UCF (G5) BYU (special/unique P5 remainder equivalent) HOUSTON (G5) IOWAST (low population state #2) KSTATE (low population state #2) OKSTATE (low population state #2, solid overall sports) KANSAS (vanilla flag, blue basketball) TCU (G5 equivalent) BAYLOR (G5 equivalent) TXTECH (G5 equivalent)

@LockedOnCollegeFootball 29 дней назад

The other P12 similarity is that it's a somewhat impossible situation to be in

@seekingthetruth2748 29 дней назад

I doubt FSU and Clemson will stay no matter what. He made it clear that ACC is a basketball conference and could care less about football. They just want the money that football brings in. ESPN will only renegotiate to a lesser contract not more money. ESPN might be behind this to get FSU and Clemson to the SEC.

@tarheel7406 29 дней назад

a) To where is CLEMSON going if FSU is the only other member leaving? b) All ACC expansions from FSU to L'VILLE were football focused. c) The ACC's deal is already way below market and can tolerate some degree of depletion. d) The SEC sees CLEMSON/FSU as disposable.

@patrickrushing8629 29 дней назад

@@tarheel7406yeah an agenda

@tarheel7406 29 дней назад

@@patrickrushing8629 You will have to do better.

@patrickrushing8629 29 дней назад

@@tarheel7406 nah

@tarheel7406 29 дней назад

@@patrickrushing8629 Yah... and he was funning lookin' too.

@gjohnson320 29 дней назад

lol that ESPN (who is giving the marching orders) is going to allow this suit to continue in FL where every document and communication between the ACC and ESPN to be made public. They will force the ACC to settle before discovery is ordered under threat of ending the tv contract.

@tarheel7406 29 дней назад

If any document is leaked or gratuitously disclosed, FSU can say hello to indy or the BIG12. Why would the SEC or B1G risk such things in the future?

@edl7454 29 дней назад

@@tarheel7406 WOW just WOW.

@tarheel7406 29 дней назад

@@edl7454 Yep..., FSU isn't that attractive as it is to the P2.

@seekingthetruth2748 29 дней назад

@@tarheel7406 Jealous much

@seekingthetruth2748 29 дней назад

@@tarheel7406 Jealous much.

@johnsettin7234 29 дней назад

Of course they won't settle with FSU and Clemson. Their ESPN Deal is toast without Clemson & FSU. They will become the PAC2

@tarheel7406 29 дней назад

Unlikely. The new BIG12 has survived after losing its op 6 (net) and consisting of ~33% G5.

@johnsettin7234 29 дней назад

@@tarheel7406 That's fair. That said, UNC is next.

@tarheel7406 29 дней назад

@@johnsettin7234 We knew that UNC would leave on Day 1 if the revenue gap couldn't be closed.

@followthemoneyhoney 28 дней назад

the espn deal is probably toast already... espn has been delaying for a while. they really have no intention of doing the deal through 2036 or they would have locked in the ridiculously good deal a few years ago. rather, espn has been focused on setting itself up for the new power 2 format. now that that is done, they are just figuring out how to monetize the scraps. they will cut the ACC loose once they have that other deal ready to roll and "offer" it to the ACC as a take-it-or-leave-it alternative

@tarheel7406 27 дней назад

@@followthemoneyhoney Actual events suggest the opposite to me. a) Why would the ACC add CAL+2 in light of a renewal unless ESPN approved and provided assurances? b) Why would CAL+2 agree to join without such assurances? c) Why would the ACC members approve CAL+2 to sate ND without assurances from ND? d) +3 seems like a precise number to me. +2 is the norm. ESPN is invested in the ACC and the ACCN, in which the conference has an equity interest in the profits. FOX or CBS is likely to replace ESPN if it doesn't renew, which is a loss of some ND games, high value alumni bases, still top men's basketball (though that will take a hit from losing UNC). ESPN would lose the "challenge" that's ACC based. FOX or CBS could return to an ACC vs. B1G or BIGEAST. ESPN would be stuck back with SEC/BIG12.

@antoniostephens8167 29 дней назад

Hahahaha Philips can't punch his way out of a wet paper bag!!!

@vistatiger7493 29 дней назад

Exactly the weakling that caved to the SEC and B1G in the new playoff money negotiations. They along with FSU, Clemson and UNC will take and eat his lunch.

@tarheel7406 29 дней назад

@@vistatiger7493 So dumb... The ACC's playoff distribution already accounts for expected depletion, or it would have been higher per the stated calculations.

@TimmyPruitt166 29 дней назад

@@tarheel7406 lmao, this is killing your ego that the ACC is dying after all the crap u talked calling everybody dumb and saying the ACC is Tier1 and would kill the Big 12 by poaching teams. It's called karma ask the Pac12 how that worked out for them. Trying to sound smart don't make u smart just makes u sound like a bigger dummy!

@tarheel7406 29 дней назад

@@TimmyPruitt166 Moron... Learn to read: a) The current ACC is Tier 1. The future ACC won't. b) I have never said that the ACC would poach BIG12 teams. In context, the BIG12 is already dead.

@followthemoneyhoney 28 дней назад

maybe they can hire swofford's kid to do it for him?

@Doc_Boots 29 дней назад

ACC can’t stall forever. February 1st 2025 is approaching and he better have a stable roster of teams to present to ESPN before that date

@tarheel7406 29 дней назад

I suspect that's not a problem. We can be certain that FSU has been screaming inside the ACC for a long time and UNC/CLEMSON have advised what must happen or else. Everyone knew that the three would leave, ESPN approved CAL+2, and ESPN agreed to renew with assurances that not one else would leave prior to a future date certain.

@user-kn7ry8iz6x 28 дней назад

You BELIEVE that LIE? Dumb

@seekingthetruth2748 28 дней назад

It has been reported that espn already said that they were not going to extend the contract to 2036. So that means the gor will end in 2-3 years.

@user-kn7ry8iz6x 27 дней назад

@@seekingthetruth2748 Reported by WHOM? Nobody with a copy of the Contract. Nobody with any real information. Just SOME DUDE on the Internet who makes stuff up.

@tarheel7406 27 дней назад

@@seekingthetruth2748 YT click bait isn't a report.

@chucklander5475 28 дней назад

The ACC is in the driver's seat based on the contract.

@user-kn7ry8iz6x 28 дней назад

100%

@user-ri4wr6cq4q 29 дней назад

If ESPN doesn’t renew on June 30, theACC is done.

@tarheel7406 29 дней назад

Why wouldn't ESPN renew?

@user-kn7ry8iz6x 28 дней назад

If you knew anything True you would not believe anything you believe.

@seekingthetruth2748 28 дней назад

It has been reported that espn already told acc that they are not extending the contract. Espn might have a new contract at a lower rate.

@tarheel7406 27 дней назад

@@seekingthetruth2748 Actual events suggest the opposite to me. BTW... YT click bait isn't a real report.

@seekingthetruth2748 27 дней назад

@@tarheel7406 I wasn't quoting YT.

@behappy6215 29 дней назад

This is like the pac12 all over again. 😂

@tarheel7406 29 дней назад

No... The PAC was delusional. The ACC clearly is not.

@LockedOnCollegeFootball 29 дней назад

There are similarities but it's not entirely the same

@tarheel7406 29 дней назад

@@LockedOnCollegeFootball Only similar on its face, but not really that close: The PAC leadership was delusional about its flight risks and its value before and after USC/UCLA gave notice. As a result, the PAC didn't preemptively backfill for expected departures and kept rejecting Tier 2 media deals. The delusion lasted so long that a scatter became certain. In contrast, the ACC is well aware of its situation, has preemptively backfilled, and has no choice but to accept a deal that's already Tier 2. Given the alleged renewal option, I highly doubt that CAL+2 would have been invited if ESPN had not approved and assured renewal knowing that UNC, CLEMSON & FSU would be leaving. Most likely there are some contingent tweaks to the exposure requirements as part of that assurance.

@TimmyPruitt166 29 дней назад

@@tarheel7406 lmao the delusion was thinking they are better than what they are, yeah this is the same as the PAC.

@artpowers812 29 дней назад

No it is not, the PAC had no GOR and their TV contract was up. The ACC leadership has been much discounted but, they are still standing against a bigger barage than brought down the PAC. This becomes like the PAC if the GOR is ruled illegal or unenforceable.

@TheOtherGygax 28 дней назад

The ACC can’t settle. The second a buy-out number is given, there will be a line out the door.

@tarheel7406 27 дней назад

Those that can leave for the SEC or B1G will sooner or later. Why not assure getting something like cash, scheduling commitments, and a known departure date?

@joshuarowell7732 29 дней назад

The ACC will be over if Clemson and FSU leave the conference. ESPN will not renew the contract in 2026 without the two big dogs. The ACC continues to be a mismanaged shit show

@tarheel7406 29 дней назад

Unlikely. The new BIG12 has survived after losing its top 6 (net) and consisting of ~33% G5.

@LockedOnCollegeFootball 29 дней назад

They could renew, just for less money

@tarheel7406 29 дней назад

@@LockedOnCollegeFootball And risk losing a still discounted deal and its investment in the ACCN?

@tarheel7406 29 дней назад

@@LockedOnCollegeFootball BTW... Everyone keeps claiming that FOX wants into the Southeast and Florida. ESPN has 100% of the SEC and 66% of the BIG12, while FOX has less than 100% of the B1G and only ~33% of the BIG12. ESPN doesn't renew, FSU gets kicked to the BIG12, CLEMSON/UNC move to the SEC, and FOX gets a diminished but still a bargain ACC.

@joshuarowell7732 29 дней назад

@@tarheel7406 BiG 12 has just “survived”, while being relegated to a second tier conference. UNC is probably gone too btw

@Mr.rogers1969 27 дней назад

Clemson approached this in a mature way. FSU came at the ACC like a spoiled child throwing shit at everyone.

@Alan-lv9rw 29 дней назад

Let all the schools go that want to go. But make them pay $1 billion.

@LockedOnCollegeFootball 29 дней назад

Well that sounds great but....lawyers won't let that happen. Starting number is reportedly around $573M

@artpowers812 29 дней назад

@@LockedOnCollegeFootball More like 775 mil. Think about it. One thing I believe that the ACC/ESPN is in heavy discussion about is how much each team leaving would cost the remaining members. If FSU leaving cost every other member 5 mill per year then why shouldn't FSU pay that amount to each remaining team through the 2035 or 36 year? That is the starting point.

@user-kn7ry8iz6x 28 дней назад

@@LockedOnCollegeFootball They can only make them pay around a Half-Billion. But YES that is the plan for FSU. Clempson can probably leave for a SONG because they were not crooked, aholes the last 2 years

@tarheel7406 29 дней назад

FSU was dumb to go scorched earth. Much harder to settle all of its vs. ACC claims and counterclaims rather than just on some agreed upon document interpretation and settled total cost to exit. Moreover, who want to now include any future scheduling commitments? I wouldn't be surprised if the ACC settled with UNC & CLEMSON yet continued the fight against FSU.

@amateuroverlord8007 29 дней назад

Wow what a dumb comment you obviously have no idea how contracts work. You don’t settle with one party and fight with another when they both signed the same contract.

@tarheel7406 29 дней назад

@@amateuroverlord8007 They can easily settle with one and not the other under the same contract. Settlements are case specific and don't set binding precedent.

@tarheel7406 29 дней назад

@@amateuroverlord8007 BTW... There's a classic case of a woman who settled with multiple men for support for a single child. There can be only one, but she found a loophole.

@amateuroverlord8007 29 дней назад

@@tarheel7406 lmao. I’m an attorney. Tell me you have no understanding of contract law without telling me you have no understanding of contracts law. “There’s a classic case,” really bro? Never heard of that case but it wouldn’t matter if I did. This is a contractual dispute and it involves the same contract. All the schools signed the same Grant of Rights. You cannot say the Grant of Rights is not enforceable as regards to some school and is enforceable with regards to others. That’s so silly. I get it, you’re not an attorney so I’m trying not to make fun of you, but what you are saying is just wrong. Sit this one out.

@tarheel7406 29 дней назад

@@amateuroverlord8007 a) Anyone who starts with "I'm a [whatever]" has already discredited himself. One should never rely on such things over logic. b) If I recall, one of the men tried to get out of his settlement when he discovered an earlier settlement over the same child. The concepts are the same. c) Parties can make mutually exclusive claims. Moreover, a settlement here would be a release from the GOR in exchange for XYZ. That XYZ doesn't have to be the same for anyone. You will have to do better.