The Age of Deception - A New Online Era 

You should do an interview with "Salty Cracker" and "RagingGoldenEagle" since were probably heading into ww3.

10:14 "A Scanner Darkly" Deep fakes, maybe another area that wasn't considered, the same AI can also be used to target individuals filtering there space online and isolating them in total disinfo campaign. Warfare, It may be hard for agencies to take on a task like that but the ability taken on with the aid of Supercomputing and weaponized AI, the prospect is frightening. Yesterday as I was about to puke from Diabetes my tv quickly pulled up an ad for nausea meds I was taking even though I said nothing about it out loud. First time I have ever seen that Ad these types of coincidences are becoming far to routine.

The dead internet is upon us

Ground news is the exact example of what you are advising against.

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The labotimization of mankind is the greatest travesty of modern times to me. Small scale, large scale all this is doing is making us weaker as a people. Sicker as a society.

Relevant

And how!

Herbert thought long and hard about the past, present and future of the human race to give us his masterpiece. It's getting more relevant every day. Great quote!

Everyday I'm more impressed by Frank's forward thinking. The concept of AI didn't even exist, just basic computers at the time and he could see where it lead.

Yup. How does a person exonerate themselves of a crime? How many spiteful users would employ a hoax or rely on a poisoned well to see someone imprisoned?

Open AI says it's indistinguishable and detectors are scams, because is feed with human creations, therefore the AI tries to imitate it.

Yep. It's called the "liar's dividend." The ability for a guilty person to rely on lack of trust in a medium of evidence to just say "it's fake" without any proof, and not be disproven. And yeah, in today's world, video evidence alone shouldn't be proof imo... AI is far too advanced for that. The real issue with AI is that it sorta makes the whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing fall apart, because anyone can make "evidence" against you, and then you're the one who has to prove your innocence rather than them proving their evidence is real.

I feel like communities are going to contract. If trust is getting scarce, thriving communities will be those who can be more tight-knitted and self-sufficient.

Your logic has a deep flaw already. Why did you jump to "exonerating" oneself. That's not how our law system works. Innocent until proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

Anything they can do to stop peace and prosperity from breaking out with a second Trump term

I don't look forward to tomorrow

No worries, tik tok, x, Facebook, or Google will tell you who to vote for. Assuming dominion voting systems doesn't take care of the issue of "choice"...

@@justinbailey6515 I'm glad our voting was largely peaceful

2024 is going to be a fustercluck. The only silver lining might be normies finally waking up to how concerning AI is becoming. Most are in denial about how fast it has advanced. That's assuming we can even tell what's a deep fake. Worst case scenario, the media canonizes a deep fake event without anyone being able to disprove it, so people will just roll with it. The media has already canonized events that never happened without AI. All the "very fine people" hoax took was cutting out the part where Trump said "except the neo-Nazis, they should be condemned totally." The media could definitely get away with a deep fake and that scares me.

I have two nephews, and I am in a similar position. I am terrified that they're gonna grow up and just trust everything they see on social media OR learn that you can't trust anything at all and become impossible to reach.

Actually they will be fine growing up with these, just like I grew up with the internet, its my parents thats in more danger using the internet than me, scam, fake news, etc.

@@kusazero I don't know about that. From what I've seen a majority of people tend to run with the first thing they see on social media regardless of age. I told someone I didn't have any social media accounts ig/twitter/etc. and their reply was "so how do you get your news?". I laughed until I realize she was being serious.

@kusazero no way, one look into the glossy eyes of people in blm and pro-Palestinian "protests" shows exactly what they may become if left to their own devices.

@@CMP-st5wh You do have a point, I am in my own bubble, Upper Echelon bubble.

I remember the good old days when the internet was srs bizness, before social media opened the floodgates and both the internet and reality became a lot lamer... 2012 was really when everything started to change. Maybe the Mayans were right and it just wasn't an instant apocalypse. :P

People used to use the internet to escape reality. Now it is reality. Modern life and your "digital life" are so intertwined.

It never was safe, people have just forgotten or dont care about the consequences

It never was. By its very nature, it involves communication between 2 or more entities. Whether those entities are individual people or companies or anything in between, as long as one of them is human or human-operated, the capacity to deceive for personal gain is omnipresent. You are never 100% safe on the internet. But you can and should take steps to hedge the odds in your favour wherever possible.

​@@matthewshiers9038I first got on in 1994 for Jr. High computer class. Grown men was converting screenshots of Lion King into ASCII Art & sending them to the girls our age. Yes the teacher was informed. Her fear was for her job. Them men worked at a certain gvmt location that did one of those "PROJECT". Social media was knowing which server to connect to. Memes came on the fax machine, got 2 left. Believed it or not, there were Furries back then. The rest was str8 n4. I miss the card catalogue.

Dead in what sense? Anyone who has been paying attention knows that you can't trust what you see/read/hear. Thats why critical thinking is so vital. Always ask these three questions. Who benefits?(follow the money). What is their agenda? What is their track record?

@@Mythhammer Well for the first one, with news it's sometimes very easy to see who benefits but because a lot of these things affect so many people in so many positions it's more a question of who has enough pull to cause the message to shift. A politician might benefit by being painted in a good light but in today's world they generally prefer to benefit by seeing their opponents hanged in writing. Neither of these translate into direct monetary rewards going either way, just the media owned by another person who shares the politicians ideology being allowed to stick around for another news cycle and the wider supporters of the politician getting more ammunition to throw at his enemies. And that's only talking about mainstream news, the only way to see who benefits when it comes to unverified news sources is to look at the wider picture of where the story originates, in those cases it's much more important to focus on agenda and track record. The internet actually has a great advantage in this way, since people figured out a long time ago that media that was just allowed to sit around had the potential to change, so there now exists exhaustive archives of everything having been said.

@@Mythhammer In a nutshell, Dead Internet theory is the idea that at some point, the overwhelming majority of internet traffic could be algorithms talking to algorithms, nothing but automated traffic going back and forth for various purposes with little to no human involvement, producing little to no value (or even taking value). Furthermore, it is the idea that we may already have reached over 50% bots (I don't remember whether that's been confirmed).

my take on the dead internet theory is its a heads up to what they are doing ,the they have to tell you and therefore you consent to it. The problem is that because theyre hiding it in plain sight with misleading and dishonest disemination its not agreed to. Thats why i hate the phrase ignorance of the law is not an excuse thats their get out of lying to you about what theyre doing seeing as legalese is a dishonest shadow language of English where every word means something completely different in common English. Compare a legal definition dictionary like blacks law dictionary to say the oxford English dictionary and you will soon understand what I am saying.How in any way shape or form can they say ignorance of the law is not an excuse when the very law is a foreign language pretending to be English where the words have a different meaning to them in English.And dont teach this to you at school.

Yup, i also think about that a lot. Also given how the average internet user behaves and the kind of canned replies and personal attacks with made up stories about a person they always give, the same irrational behaviors and logic they display, it's really hard to not assume you might be talking to a chatbot.

It's always been that way. Internet was full of scams and new outlets lie. History books are mostly romanticized garbage. Those who claim to know the truth are cons. The difference nowadays is nobody can tolerate opposing views.

The number of people who don't see it as a concern might be so high because it's the people who are generally less happy and less satisfied with their lives that spend a lot of time online (i.e. those are the ones who are exposed to all the agendas and fake stuff etc.) People who are more happy and fulfilled do other things like sports, hiking with friends, grilling with friends in a garden, meeting up IRL to play social games like DnD, having other IRL hobbies etc. Of course the people who choose to not expose themselves to cattle tech don't think much about things that are only relevant to those who choose to expose themselves to cattle tech insanity. They have other things going on in their lives.

@@armin3419 That is a potential factor. FYI, the audience in this case was Hacker News, which has a large IT professional audience.

There's a limit to creativity, we've already reached the point that musicians are suing each other for using the same notes on each other's music, won't be long until even stories and visual stimulus begins to be repetitive, how can we make sure that 99% of recently made content isn't already a copy? Ai will only make that counter hit 100%.

This is why I actually prefer news sources and people who are open about their biases. I'd rather you be open about where you lean than pretend to not lean at all.

​@@urphakeandgey6308Corbett Report is my favorite. He does open source intelligence deep dives and provides tons of sources (some of which are borderline impossible to find with a typical search engine unless you already know exactly what you're looking for).

That is not new development. The AIs are just a new excuse in very long list of excuses to dismiss verifiable facts and anything else you might not like.

@@anteshell Media has basically been trying to get people to dismiss any viewpoints that does not fall within their established narrative since quite far back. I'm certain even early news sources did this, but they might not have known at the time that it was a thing. These days it's basically the most important thing taught to prospective news-affiliated workers. And just like with everything else it's framed as being to our benefit: "Stick to the Message, stick to the Narrative, you don't want to confuse people because people are stupid."

That's why you need to THINK. As a pro-life Catholic, I disagree with Lenin on a LOT of stuff but one thing he was right about (at least the way my dad quoted him though I haven't seen the quote myself) is that when you are assigning blame, your first question should always be "Who stands to benefit from this?"

Oh boy here comes the thought police. People who cries about "misinformation" nowadays are no different from the evangelicals.

Back in 1998 I predicted that corporate control of the internet would cause what we are seeing now starting in 2018 (I wasn't far off). I called this period the time of delusion, followed by the "great denial" of the early to mid 2020s (that came with a pandemic, though I thought it would be the Avian Flu which is still coming BTW) and the "great fall" in the mid to late 2020s leading to WWIII and possible nuclear war by the early 2030s. Not sure how well I got the last part, but I think things are lining up and the leaders of the world are clearly more reluctant than most think to use nukes. Russia and China need to push the fact that the US is the only nation to use nukes against a civilian population to set up their BRICS economy, but if we keep pushing them there is no telling what they will do in the long run.

I think this has been happening for a very long time in all forms of communication ... written, spoken, visual ... with simple editing. Also with changing the definition of words and the meaning of events through heavily repetitive propaganda. Psych will be ubiquitous.

Authorities have also proven themselves to be untrustworthy.

Who watches the watchmen?

Back to basics. Only trust yourself and what's immediately around you. 😕

Indeed. But if the authorised information makes you feel good, why would UE care? If he gets uncomfortable, then the government hasn't done a good enough job protecting his sensibilities. Wanting regulation by some authority is nearly the same as not wanting access to truth.

obviousely, but peraosns call it fake news, in order to fool themselves into an illusion

Not civilian tech. Consumer tech.

​@@larkohiyaWhat's the difference in this context? Civilians are consumers, even if they have different definitions strictly speaking.

Those things are pretty inaccurate, often it seems like that ai generating it doesn't even know what the correct answer is. I can often fit in 1or 2 incorrect answers and it will be accepted. Like it will ask for cars and I'll select some completely other thing once or twice and it will say its correct. But I've also had it ask me to select cars for example, but when doing it the correct way it would say it's in incorrect and confuse buildings as vehicles. And boi do I hope that's partly because of me I like giving it the wrong answers lmao.

Same here.

Same

Him and Erik striker are the last of the true reporters.

Journalist* Reporters report, Journalists investigate. Technically he does both, however J>R.

@GPUGambon I would love to know. Can you please change the first letters? It is very serious now, we have to fight this tyranny.

What is this thoughtful and respectful disagreement I am seeing right now. I refuse to believe that this is the youtube comment section

I’ve wondered about this, and have hoped it would be the case. But wouldn’t it be simple enough to engineer AI to water-mark its own production and avoid the decay? I mean I hope it’s not that easy. Truth be told I want it to burn itself out as quickly as possible so people can categorize it’s use-cases to as few as possibly necessary, but wouldn’t it be as easy as the engineers limiting (or targeting, shudder) the scope of AI learning to their specific selections on an ongoing basis?

What you are failing to take in to account is that the human is part of that feedback loop. You are also failing to understand that that "2nd" inflection will not exist because AI is not continually trained on it's own data. If what you say is true they will just use the best models and stop "training" it. You are wrong. Yes, you are right that if you continually trained AI on itself then errors would(not necessarily as one could mathematically quantify it and limit it) compound... but in practice people won't be so blind to continuing using something that is degrading in quality but it will work to fix it. Also, by then, the damage to humanity would be incalculable. You have a short naive few that takes something that is true and assume that it is necessarily true in practice. It isn't AI that drives AI, it is humans. All that ever need to be done is to convince the masses and that has now been achieved. AI will used by more psychopathic entities to do more evil for wealth and power extraction. It will work making these people extremely powerful and because they are psychopaths they will never stop doing evil and bringing more in to their fold. This only results in one outcome: A slave system and a diverges of classes. It is more akin to ancient Egypt and capitalism is driving it. Without fiat this could never have occurred. When robots comes online to be the virtual slave drivers then it will be a very few psychopaths turned in to gods. Basically very much like Ancient Egypt 2.0 but instead of rock and sand it will AI and Silicon. Good news is I'll be dead and I don't have and kids to make me worry about it. If people want to be dumb or slaves then that is their choice, I made the choice not to be that nor to have any offspring to be sucked in to that hell.

@@_derpderp yes, you can have it watermark its own work, but that would eradicate the point entirely: the fear is of making AI indiscernible from real-world/real human content. Watermarking everything it makes would make it discernable.

And even then, the Alpha Go and Alpha Zero AI's became the best Go players possible being trained literally playing billions upon billions of matches against themselves, and AFAIK that has made them literally impossible for a human to defeat them. If the generative AIs become better in each iteration and then you start training them on their own output imho there is no reason why they shouldn't get exponentially or even factorially better at what they do.

Well said brother. The enemy is strong, but our discernment prevails.

Yea. But that's close to boomer tier shit. I got roommates that don't believe anything. You can literally tell them something true and they'll dismiss it because you learned it through "the internet"

@@notashton. Might be the way you're telling them?

I think that will part of the problem. Any person or company that actually demonstrates what we refer to as 'moral behavior' will be swallowed up by the vast majority of those that are not. It's not that hard to find examples of that right now.

Good point. You only have to look up Ben Shapiro's old quotes about being "OK" with civilian casualties, "settlements rock" etc. to make it 100% clear what he would say regardless of the facts.

Yes, once a news source gains a reputation as being reliable, it can be infected with lies or simply taken over, depending on the moral stance of the owner or how good their security is. I have YT channels that I like but I regularly drop them when I see the bias creep in.

I have done the same. I cut all mainstream media journalism (and most journalism in general) out of my life because I got tired of the constant drama and fighting. Whenever I see Fox or CNN on TVs when I go to the gym, I physically gag because I can't stand seeing or listening to what either one of those stations has to say. As such, I know nothing about the Israel-Palestine War other than that Israel is at war, nor do I know anything about the Ukrainian War. I just simply don't care because I can't stand the divisive rhetoric that we hear from journalists.

@@troybaxter Allow me to preface this by the fact that I am no expert, I may be working under a misunderstanding of how things actually are. I have high functioning autism and so I struggle to comprehend certain things sometimes: divisive or not, it's not like anything we did could have any real impact on the war anyway. The USA is an oligarchy hidden by the illusion of a Democratic Republic that's by the people for the people. It hasn't been for the people since the day it was founded. Politicians don't care, but give the illusion of caring every time a tragedy happens. The only words on their lips are always: "hopes and prayers for the Victims and their families." They say this with less intent than a damn sloth. No one has any power without money. History cycles and repeats itself every time, and only changes its cause. Slavery became wage slavery, discrimination changes from one group to next. Politics and social justice issues are nothing but a blame game to distract us from making real progress. It's all the same thing with a different name and subtle changes. It's disgusting. Life is too short to spend every goddamned day worrying about all this pointless shit. That's the main reason I chose to ignore it and live my life my way. In my eyes, we are all human. The color of our skin comes down to melonin content and sun exposure through from generation to generation. Religion and philosophy are one and the same, one just focuses on controlling the people while the other seeks meaning to the world around us. Idc if your LGBTQ+ or not, who cares if your a furry or not, literally nothing could make me hate someone without that person simply being an outright jackass. None of it matters 500+ years into the future anyways, so why should it matter now? Live your life your way, be inspired, be you, because there is nothing better than being genuine. As long as what you love to do or what you see yourself as doesn't break any laws or disrupt others way of life, I have no problem with 'you'. Anyway, pardon the tangent, have a good day and hope you found something to take your eyes off the news with. For me it was music and books.

Kinda reminds me of BLM and MeToo. So many times those two organizations lied about what happened and tried to claim that it was okay because it was a means to an end. I found it incredibly frustrating to witness all their lies when there were actual instances of police brutality and rape that were being overlooked. Both organizations undercut the necessary changes that we have to make, like improving law enforcement so it is less corrupt.

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I'm already ODing on it.

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It does fit well in situations where a news org or journalist gets defensive when someone question their reporting and believing their word to be the whole truth.

Noam Chomsky wrote 'Manufacturing Consent' decades ago.

I'm reading it right now...​@@Rietto

Customer service chatbots are already a thing.

Nothing, they're doing it right now.

So, use CNN or travel to the scene to figure it out then?

Don't use Facebook as a source? Ding Dong hello? What year is it? 2009 lmao

The problem is what sources do we confirm with? All our sources can and are susceptible to AI misinformation and disinformation.

sounds like roman empire think to me, did you parhaps seen Whatifalthist video on How christianity Changed History?

You really think humans are the only species that use deception among their own kind? Don't be so naive. You literally even said there are some that use deception for mating. Not saying all this isn't concerning, but perhaps a bad analogy.

Those. who. tell. the. *truth.* The world will be theirs. Heaven will be theirs... it's all there, in the book in which everything is contained.

Yeah in fairness probably just ban both as they're both wrong and both governments are not innocent. Or neither, also possible.

@@tilburg8683 private companies shouldn't be able to control or modify public discourse, especially when its this biased

You are an actual clown - The banning is only done on pro-israeli posts, and even if what you said was true, the fakestine posts are full of lies and the pictures they contain were proven countless times as AI generated.

Yeah, people should operate on a "fake until proven real" basis when on the internet. Obviously, most of us don't have time to literally fact check anything, but just knowing who/what/when/where/how to question is a very powerful skill.

Me looking at my student debt, I like the idea of it being fake and treating it As such

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Ai had been around before that. Those odd yt hack channels that make no sense are AI generated

For me it was 2018

​@@ElinWinbladyeah but it's painfully obvious... it's only been the last month that I've seriously found myself tricked... i have a cs degree 😅

@@ElinWinblad wasn't necessarily about AI, more the whole Convid bullshit

I've been skeptical about pretty much everything since 2017.

"that Orwell quote about saying truth is revolutionery Act" - Gorgi

we re not really the players mate we are the audience the elites are the players lol this is their world which is why we control nothing here and they control everything

Whos ws -me

well ,not sure about players

realericanderson@@realericandersonWilliam Shakespeare.

Dead internet is my favorite conspiracy theory and with rapid development of AI it getting mad real

Not even the local news is safe. All mainstream media should be for entertainment only.

I mean, that’s an interesting viewpoint

@@Tisbilly i love chaos and hate this national news coverage era. If you dont live somehwere, that places news doesnt concern you

@@theredknight9314 Hey, that’s fair. Upon thinking about it for a few minutes, I’ve come to the conclusion that you’re right. I don’t think that the human brain is meant to constantly be bombarded with tragedies occurring elsewhere. I for one would have much better mental health if I didn’t know of all the horrible inexcusable things going on right now. Normally I’d refer to not knowing what’s happening elsewhere as restrictive, but this whole “having to know the entire fucking world’s gossip” thing is quite new and I don’t think that we as a species are ready for it. While I still don’t love the idea of ai and deception causing it, I think that the potential focus on smaller groups of people is definitely a positive outcome. Anyway I’m the kinda clown to write a whole ass essay in a RU-vid comment lol sorry

@@Tisbilly yeeeee

*Knock*

unfortunatley thats sorely lacking in todays society

And the rest of the time, we need the government to help us decide what is real. Because they are trustworthy, more so than independent information sources. If we don't, UE will cry.

All metadata can be faked.

This is what Adobe started. It's called Content Authenticity Initiative.

It sounds like the dream excuse for adobe

There is usefulness to AI, but not when it comes to stuff like this. For instance, AI is great for control systems, as you can have it learn for specific cues (like detecting obstacles, people, or particular defects in a product) and act accordingly. But AI Art and Deep fakes are realms we should have never taken steps into.

As Lenin said, always ask yourself "Who stands to benefit from this?" When you can't believe your eyes, you have to rely on your critical thinking instead.

That's a silver lining I see as well. That the online world becomes such a fustercluck of fake content that most people actually start putting their phones down and seeking real interactions... Probably too optimistic of an outcome though. If you haven't heard of "dead internet theory," you should look into it. I think there's some legitimacy behind it and it's only going to get much much worse if we aren't already there.

Problem is, you go out into the real world and you're surrounded by NPC's who buy into the deception and think you're weird for not being one of them.

I keep seeing it all happen faster than expected.

Once it gets to 60 fps it will be indistinguishable from the reality your eyes experience at that same frame rate.

I have been saying those exact same words and people online have been calling me a conspiracy nut case, and downplaying my concerns. Ever since I heard about deep fakes, I immediately thought to myself, "We have opened a box that should have NEVER been opened. EVER!" Excuse my language, but we are FUCKED. Now we can't even believe what we see in the courtroom as evidence. How can I definitively say what I am being shown isn't fabricated bs to throw an innocent man in jail, or get a guilty man back on the streets? We can't, and that's the scary part. Or, even worse. What happens if someone deep fakes the President about declaring war on another country... Millions dead because of an easily created lie.

There are some legitimate uses for real artists, like as a form of creative brainstorming or reference image generation. But I expect we’ll see an explosion of frauds trying to pass off the work of AI as their own.

Not only that, the anime in particular is a television series aired during the early days of the internet that transcends everything we know about it today because ironically, even the artist behind that masterful work later succumbed to internet radicalisation himself.

@@Sam_Hue True

the problem with u is you worship a human being as god, even tho Jesus himself worshipped God alone.

Yeah, the Norse predicted this too with Loki, who is famous for tricks and deception, causing the end of the World. I guess it's time to start praying to Odin now, huh?

Yeah.... Biblical...tell that to humans 20,000 years ago before Jews and Christians where a thing let alone other religions lol

All religion is rooted in Zoroastrianism.

Religion = adults with imaginary friends. 😂