Girl pls never delete this video, I relate soooo much with some of the things you said and to this day it makes me feel like a moron and is something I'm really ashamed of and idk but the fact that other people have experienced this too just makes me feel better
honestly you would be surprised how many people can relate :') don't worry I thought I was an isolated case too lol but turns out a lot of people go through this. It's absolutely natural to grow and evolve when it comes to politics and social issues
I loved this video!! I had a similar experience to you in 2016 and definitely relate to the "hating everyone" thing. Feels so nice now to be able to think critically and not affiliate myself with one political line, but to look at everything and form my own opinions ❤️
I feel like 2016 was the 'punk' era of politics, the Sex Pistols era. It was brash, obnoxious, in-your-face. Then, quick as a flash, it was over. Now we're in the slower and more pensive Joy Division 'post politics/post punk' era. We're all coming out of this political hangover and trying to figure out what the hell happened, and that's ok. As a species we're evolving very fast around the internet and crazy stuff like this is bound to happen.
Exactly! Unfortunately though, especially with the internet and social media access everyone has these days, it seems that falling down the rabbit hole of the anti-SJW left can sometimes lead certain people to be radicalized towards the opposite side. But yes, it must be noted that being on the anti-SJW left is NOT the same as being on the alt-right. I just wish I could come up with a way for us to reduce the likelihood of anti-SJW left content leading people to the far right.
very true, unfortunately the lines between those became very blurred back in 2016/17 because a lot of purely anti sjw leftists didn't bother to seperate themselves from the alt right and actually more so formed that whole "sceptic community" which created this so-calles "pipeline"
Thank you for the interesting insight! I for one would be interested in videos like that. Also your advice at the end needs to be put on posters: inform yourself - stay open minded - be polite. To be honest, these days I really avoid "political" RU-vidrs because to me it feels like they never give balanced argumentation. (Goes for right as well as for left.) As a member a minority group I used to be super left and engaging in my local AntiFa as a teenager (not proud of that; really cringy looking back) but these days I don't have strong opinions* about most anything. I try to get facts from different sources about a topic and build my own view on that while trying to stay open to new arguments. And if someone asks me for an opinion on sometjing I know nothing about, I admit that and inform myself. (By "no strong opinions" I mean that I wouldn't fight someone over it as many people on the internet seem to like. But debating is fun and constructive, of course!) And that works well for me. I would call myself a centrist at this point (although I feel like these days that's also something to be attacked for online lol) because on some topics I have a rather conservative view while on others I'm more left leaning. But that might and will probably with the years as I keep learning.
honestly after reading loads of comments it would appear that we all had a cringe politics phase, wether it be left or right. so don't cringe at yourself too much, you were an influenceable teenager like the rest of us I guess :') ahahah yeah centrists get a hard time on the internet; honestly just goes to show that we all hate each other no matter what views we hold. I know a lot of centrists and they tend to be rather chill measured people irl, I don't get why they get attacked online
@@chapterbarbara8161 Centrists get attacked because their compromising is antithetical to the goals of the far left and right and centrists tends to pull the appeal to balance fallacy, aka "both-sides-ism".
This video is really interesting!! I always find it fascinating to see people sharing how much they've grown and changed! It seems like a lot of people (including me) had all at one point, fallen into (or almost fell into) the alt-right rabbit hole at a young, impressionable age. :( TBH, I have always considered myself as anti-SJW, but I was also anti-cringy conservative jerks who hate women and minorities. If that makes sense. I find it sad that so many people tend to lean into either extremes. I think both extreme sides of the spectrum can be toxic, which is why I will continue to poke fun at both sides :P Have a nice day Barbara xx
I have a personal question and a reading question: How do you cope with doing things that make you uncomfortable or scared? And Thoughts on Sarah J Maas books?
I think the important thing to remember when it comes to abortion is that you can be anti-abortian and still be pro choice. What I mean by that is that you can chose to not have an abortion but also support other women's right to that choice. For example, I'm anti drugs so I would never take drugs but I still think all drugs should be legalised so people have safe access to substances. People are still going to take drugs regardless so you may as well make it safe, the same goes for abortion.
Yes! I agree with you completely. I like to think I wouldn't get an abortion or take drugs but just because I feel a certain way about these issues I'm not about to ask people to follow my example if it restricts their freedom.
I agree with your position. My only question though about that, how would you respond, for example, if someone who was more radically anti-drugs said to you, "You can't be anti-drugs, if you think that they should be legalized or even decriminalized". To me, it seems that the best response to something like that would be something like "Well, there are different levels of being anti-drugs, and for me, I just prefer to discourage there usage by informing people of the risk, and perhaps through allowing businesses to test employees for drugs that affect their ability to do their job."
As an American, I really liked listening to your opinions! I went to a Catholic middle school and I had to unlearn a lot of things - it's probably one of the main reasons it took me so long to figure out I was a lesbian. We all have character arcs and I love debates and I am always open to new ideas, opinions, and thoughts. Thank you for being you and sharing your story!!! Also, the thing with guns: a lot of Americans have a deep distrust of the government (left and right), so they want to have guns to protect themselves from the government (not saying this is my opinion, but this is just my observation). A lot of people feel like if the Second Amendment was removed, their personal liberty is being attacked. My school was threatened by someone and my Dad had me stay home just in case something happened. The threat was sent through a fax or something, so the school didn't really take it as legitimate. Nothing happened, but the fact that it didn't feel out of the ordinary made me feel really sad. I advise anyone in America attending a school to buy a bullet-proof backpack (when schools reopen).
Ok this comment was super interesting so thank you so much for that ! I wasn't really brought up in a strict religious environment either so the point you made about catholic school was an interesting and new perspective. And yeah that seems to be the argument a lot of pro-gun people say. I think I struggle to understand it because the idea of private gun ownership is such a foreign concept to me... I find it really upsetting that your school was so much as threatened by gun violence. I can't imagine having gone to school worried about wether or not I'd get shot
I‘m very happy to see that I‘m not the only one who went through a pseudo-conservative phase and we even had very similar experiences, especially with having a very international background and being from Europe. The only difference really is that I was 15 when I started watching sjw-cringe and falling down the right-wing rabbit hole on youtube. I‘m honestly just happy to see that I realized that both sides of the spectrum can be hypocritical and that I‘m doing more of my own research 🙃
Right, it's a relief to find out that other people go through a similar phase. Honestly I don't think we need to beat ourselves up too much as we were influenceable teens so I guess it's natural
The right isn't about "owning the libs". These are frauds, who're getting promoted everywhere as the real right has been banned off RU-vid. Europe and America is a very dire situation right now. There are people running our governments, seeking to destroy us. Here they admit it on live footage: "THE WAR ON WHITES IS REAL" www.bitchute.com/video/uyKN9SbEHfgs/ You'll never see these "conservatives" talk about this, becouse they're complicit.
How could you be "alt-right" in 2016 and be liberal in 2021.when cities are literally being burned and random people killed in the streets for being W? I don't get it.
@@gabe.6273 First off, they burned various buildings. Some with people inside. Second, the reason you support blm is becouse you're a j. Look how Isreal treats africans, you f'ing hypocrite: "Israel's New Racism: The Persecution of African Migrants in the Holy Land" ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-dPxv4Aff3IA.html
I’m glad you were able to exit that rabbit hole. I’ve been seeing more and more people coming out on the internet saying they were brainwashed by the alt right in around 2016, and I’m fascinated with the process. It never happened to me, I’ve always stayed on the left and actually, became more and more of a leftist as time went on lol. Although I come from a privileged background (I would say lower middle class), I grew up with the knowledge that sadly, injustice exists and equality is not yet a thing. It didn’t mean that my parents were “happy” about it, not at all, but instead of being given the “everybody is equal!” sugar-coated talk, I was made aware that due to current circumstances, people were oppressed for who they were. I think I was also pushed to develop my criticism: like, things should not sound “too god to be true”, but plausible. Also the need to constantly depending on others’ opinions to form your own might play a huge role on this. I remember the political discussions I had with my dad (also a leftist) from when I was 13 up until now: it was not a “listen to me I’m the authority because I know better” type of discussion, but it was an “equal-ground” discussion. My dad also said to me that thanks to the discussions he had with me, he was able to better some of his views as well because he got a more “young” hindsight on today’s problems. Idk man. I’ve always wondered how people could get sucked into these rabbit holes, when, to me, everything those people said was obviously not true and full of hatred. Now I got a bit of insight I guess. The key to me is: self-awareness of one’s privileges, criticism, being able to detach yourself and your views from the so called “authority”. That’s how it might be harder for somebody to fall for that crap.
I haven't watched the video yet, but every person I see on the thumbnail is not alt-right in the slightest. Especially Shoe If you make that clear, that's totally fine. I'm just putting that out there not attacking you.
Hey! Dw I deliberately made this quite clickbaity, I said in the video that I am aware that she was never right wing, but that she contributed to my discovery of anti feminism. She’s actually one of my favorites
mislim da će te puno ljudi razumjeti, kada si mlad lako je biti utjecan od svih strana i mijenjati mišljenje često, tvrditi da se zauzimaš za nesto o čemu zapravo ne znaš dovoljno... bitno je razvijati svoja mišljenja kroz vrijeme. super video :)
This is very interesting to me, because I never really fell down the alt-right rabbit hole per se--the alt-right was very much undercover when I went down the RU-vid anti-sjw rabbit hole in 2015. And I don't really remember what exactly drew me in, except that I was a minority and I hadn't ever personally experienced significant discrimination and I didn't want to be a victim, and here were all these people saying "don't worry, you're not, it's just silly people making it up for attention." Now, I was sixteen and very privileged and kind of an idiot, but I think that's how I got in there? And for me I never got into the open conservatives, I was too embedded in general liberalism for that I think (and I was, by virtue of being a transgender jew, rather unlikely to respond to anyone going on about real nazi shit) but like, I was a Sargon fan, as embarrassing as that is to admit. I got out of it in late 2016/early 2017, though, when the allegedly centrist anti-sjw community had its big left/right schism over trump and brexit and it turned out that the community had been two fundamentally different political leanings in a trench coat the whole time. That was when I saw all these people I'd respected falling over themselves to bow down to trump, who I thought was terrible and clearly incompetent, and since I didn't buy into all their conspiracies about Clinton being the literal devil I couldn't understand why they would support him so fervently and continue to do so even after he proved to be worse than anyone expected at doing his job... anyway. I was already a fan of ContraPoints by then, so I had at least some diversity in my RU-vid consumption, so I kept the subs to anti-sjw channels that hadn't swung hard right (eg shoe, Chris Ray Gun, thunderf00t) and bounced from the rest. ...then I fell into breadtube, whose ideas continue to make sense to me divorced from charismatic content creators, got way more cynical, and now I'm a leftist lmao.
I get you. It can be kinda reassuring to see people tell you everything is fine and shove a pair of rose tinted glances on your face. I obviously can't entirely relate to your situation but honestly people like Sargon managed to suck a lot of people in, including minorities. I only got into ContraPoints very recently but thank god I managed to stop being such an ignorant idiot lol.
It's amazing to me that you people still don't understand that you're still just being carried away on the waves of the algorithm. You just replaced Sargon or some equivalent center-right character with radical progressives like Vaush or Contra. It's a very peculiar thing when your politics change right about the time when social media platforms start purging right wing content and promoting progressives to the point of those progressives earning over 50 grand a month.
@@horouathos8199 Yup, like most people, they were born to be led; they are not free thinkers. That's why this video is 16 minutes long and doesn't really say anything. It is also why trying to get people to "wake up" is a fruitless task. Instead, we need to get the right people in control over institutions such as media, big tech, education, and government - institutions that have near absolute control over public opinion.
@@lukejohnson486 Considering the fact that I am of a small percentage of people that actually holds dissident views, yeah. But what I said has nothing to do with me personally. I would happily serve as a peasant if the aristocracy had the best interests of the people in mind.
Thank you for sharing Barbara. I’m a 40 year old American guy, and I too went through a similar transformation. I was a liberal Democrat for my entire adult life. Was a fan of Michael Moore documentaries. 100% thought the US should follow Europe’s lead with universal healthcare, I too hated the obsession with the guns/2nd amendment, and a staunch environmentalist. I am more of a “skeptical contrarian” who thought anything the “mainstream media” was pushing must have a hidden agenda. I too thought Trump was a clown, but never seriously thought he was really dangerous. And I did think economic globalization hurt a lot of middle and working class people in the US, UK, Western Europe. So, while I didn’t like Trump, I inadvertently defended his supporters. But it was especially in late 2015-2016 when I started to fall down the “anti-SJW” rabbit hole. Particularly paying attention to what was going on college campuses, given that I teach community college and was worried about the consequences of not taking seriously students claims of micro-aggressions. And as a straight white guy, I would sell my soul to prop up women who said feminism at this point has achieved its goals and if they really cared about women’s issues, they would aim their efforts towards Africa and the Islamic world. I practically threw rose petals at the feet of any woman, person of color, lgbt individual who could “absolve” and free me from having to think about race, gender, and privilege. (Part of this also stems from my Polish ethnic background with the awareness that SOME white ethnic groups faced conquest and prejudice, and we don’t all have some old money aristocratic connections to get into prep schools and elite universities). That led me down a more right wing rabbit whole until I hit rock bottom this past year when I thought the COVID lockdowns + George Floyd /BLM protests/riots were part of a George Soros funded global communist takeover. I snapped our if this and got out of the rabbit whole when the right just couldn’t accept the out one of the US election, and now realize just how dangerous Trump and his most ardent supporters really are when the storming of the capital took place. I listened to Dave Rubin/Rubin Report and Tim Pool all the time. People think I got my ideas from Fox News. But they don’t understand is that no, it’s people who were originally liberal , but then started to parrot right wing taking points are the much bigger issue, because it makes normal people think the Left really has gone crazy of classic liberals are leaving the left. In reality they’re just chasing the $$$. Do I still think there wokeness goes too far and that many “SJWs” can be insufferable and sanctimonious? Yes, definitely. But I know it’s minor and manageable, but that right wing populism is more dangerous than I originally realized. I think another good resource for those who are “anti-SJW” but somehow got sucked into the world of right wing RU-vid, I think San Harris’s podcasts can help snap people back to reality.
It's easy to fall down the alt-right rabbit hole, so many of these people make arguments out of dishonesty, cherry picking statistics from studies that rarely control for the socioeconomic factors that likely effect the results. And anecdotes of being poor when in reality the truly poor people have no one to represent them. As they never afforded the luxury to browse the web. I was raised in relative poverty that made me colour blind, but then I realised it is nothing compared to those in the inner cities with higher population density and strain on local council services. Not even close.
I had a very similar experience to yours, and I'm around the same age as you. I was a centrist, but now I'm more left-leaning, and I was also a pick-me anti feminist. I started hating everyone too, lol. This video is refreshing, and it makes me feel less alone. Btw, you remind me of Dodie :)
i really enjoyed this video. it honestly makes me reflect upon my own experiences of growing out of conservatism, my own near misses with being indoctrinated into the alr right, and really the journey to accept myself as a left leaning person. in short, I was actually brought into conservatism by my parents, both of whom still identify as very right wing. considering that the majority of my extended family are all left wing liberals, my parents often had this persecution complex about being conservatives. since I had a natural tendency to support "the under dog", I'd always try to relate to their talking points. plus ad impressionable kids, I'd just assume that whatever my parents had to say was true. looking back, my parents definitely believe in some very questionable things, like being vocally opposed to gay marriage. I actually did a speech in 10th grade on why gay marriage should be illegal (mind you this was 2010-2011 when this happened, so years before Obama would legalize it). I remember seeing the looks of horror and contained laughter at what I said. at the time I thought I was helping them by presenting "the other side" and trying to wake them out of their left wing blinders. like my parents with our relatives, I was one of the few conservatives in my friend group. most of my friends were much further left, probably about as far as I am now. I also watched a lot of anti sjw videos back in the day. that definitely contributed to some very misogynistic beliefs some of which I'm still working to deconstruct 10 years later. actually in college, for about a year or 2, I was very isolated and lonely. I had no friends (literally none, I think my sophomore year, I spent time hanging with friends a total of 4 times... for the entire year). during this period, I could have easily been steered towards the mgtow crowd had the wrong person contacted me. I really was borderline mgtow and I'm very glad I never went down that rabbithole. honestly one by one my beliefs gradually shifted from right to left. I've always been pretty pro choice, at first holding the "I'm personally pro life but policy wise pro choice". I just call myself pro choice because i recognize there could be a day i get a girl pregnant and she might have to make that decision. it needs to be made available. but yeah, I flipped on being anti gay marriage, and now I try as much as possible to be an ally to the LGBT community, because I feel guilty about the way i talked about gay people in my past. I went from being a pro 2nd amendment type to wanting much stricter gun reforms, preferably in some fantasy world for no guns to exist. I went from thinking racism was s myth, to understanding my own racial biases and working to deconstruct it. the 2016 election was very pivotal to me. once i listened to Bernie sanders platform, I was hooked. I thought he had a lot of great ideas. he was the first Democrat I found myself liking. after being exposed to his campaign, I've basically been becoming progressively more liberal and left leaning. I now identify as a social Democrat and I wish the us would implement more European style economic reforms, like universal Healthcare, tuition free colleges, and a more progressive tax system, among many kthers. also the 2020 election greatly helped me shift further to the left. I actually had to block a long time friend of mine because he fell down tge alt right rabbit hole and I was sick of listening to his shitty takes and half baked conspiracy theories
Your point at 11 minutes, that's how i was manipulated by alt right talking points. The SJW and feminazi shtick was beaten over your head, then conservative ideas would be smuggled in, id go 'woah we're not on the same page here'. Dont know jack about politics. Still don't. An aussie youtuber called friendlyjordies really opened my mind. I'm an aussie and american political right leaning crap informed my way of thinking. Our right leaning government here isnt the best.
I was in your similar position because I was a right winger and hated sjws for being annoying andnot doing anything meaningful, using liberal identity politics to justify any wrong doing. I thought right wingers are against identity politicos like some liberals. However, what changed is when right wing anti-SJWs are making too many videos, complaining about feminism, diversity etc. It was annoying similar to sjws, complaining about a black lives matter playstation 4 background because it is a "terrorist organisation". In addition, anti-SJWs says ridiculous things such as "sjw will take over the west or make gaming worst". I was laughing my ass off The last straw is when I have seen anti sjws discord forums saying sexist, homophobic and racists things such as black men can't date white women. I was pissed off coming from someone who loves interracial relationships/friendships. People like candace owens enables racism because she claims that she is not a "slave" because she supports donald trump. Got even more angry because I expected right wingers to not use identity politics to make themselves look so good like some liberals. But I was wrong. As a result, I am a leftist, not further left, when kyle kulinski, a leftist, says he does not like the way fascists and liberals use identity politics. He talks about policies that matter to everyone regardless of race, such as medicare for all, ending war on drugs and free education etc. As a leftist, I think you can still hate sjws for not doing something meaningful or being useless such as saying all white people even you're poor, homeless or a working class citizen are racist, at times, not always, and also saying all men are rapist or horrible people. That's the reason why I dont like sjws, unlike right wing anti-SJWs reasons; claiming sjws are "destroying the west" Anti sjws are far worse because they allow racism, violence towards minorities or kill them
Thank you for this comment; it illustrates the absolute absurdity of certain arguments that come from both sides. It's such a shame that the points that you brought up (health care, war on drugs etc) weren't really a part of the political discourse at the time, as I feel like baseless accusations grounded in nothing but identity politics did a lot more harm than good... I still don't like SJWs either, but I think they are just sensitive people who generally mean well but don't really know how to bring about change. Whereas members of the alt right have a rather more questionable line of reasoning imo
How's any of those right wing arguments wrong? Here's a video on blm. Showing how absurd it is, citing many various statistics in explicit detail: "BLACK CRIME MATTERS - WITH EMILY YOUCIS" www.bitchute.com/video/qmVNfukCTLa9/ It seems you dislike the right by their rhetoric, but not actually becouse they're wrong. Sorry, but the truth is rarely nice. Does that mean we should just ignore it?
@@chapterbarbara8161 All politics are about identity, always has been. These people who tell you that you should ignore identity politics, are pushing their own. Again, Ben Shapiro is a perfect example. He tells right wingers that identity politics is the problem, meanwhile he wears his kippah. Expresses his religios views. Post about how proud he is to be 100% jewish. Says his views first and foremost comes from the torrah. He tells people how important Isreal is every day. Asserting his own identity politics. That's the game that's being played. He said he doesn't care about the browning of America, but never in a million years, would he say that about Isreal. Very hypocritical double standards. This is a pattern you see time and time again. That's why Trumps slogan is "America First".
On a serious note, for me, it came about because of a lack of nuanced discussions I would see from "left" content. Teenage me grew up in an area where she had not met a single LGBTQ+ person, and so wanting to learn more about them, and being afraid that asking the wrong question would get you labelled a homophobic/transphobic/etc etc, didn't really make for the right combination. I found people on the "right" side of things to actually explain their point of view better in those days (and like you said, they said it so confidently and with so much statistics that I thought it must have been true), and help me at least understand where they were coming from, whereas "leftists" just stated an opinion and expected you to agree with it. Add on that I was pro-life and you get a recipe for disaster. I don't agree with a lot of that stuff now that I see through their bullshit. I still think "progressive, left" spaces should be more open to nuanced conversations and they should stop slapping heavy labels on people for things they don't like about them (like you said, I'm pro-life in theory, but I still think abortion should be accessible for various reasons, but people will just hear pro-life and think I'm sexist or whatever without listening to what I have to say, [clarifying that I identify as a feminist]), and I think society in general needs to learn the difference between a bigoted person and a bigoted action. What got me out was finding more RU-vidrs on the "left" who explained their views and held nuanced conversations. Their channels were smaller and they had fewer views but they exist and I think they're more popular nowadays, which is great (think social commentary channels) Edit: Hunter Avallone's anti-Islam videos were my favourite way of torturing myself and feeding on my self-hatred lol. But I believe these kinds of videos really showed me that the "right" didn't see marginalised people as human beings at all and I was stupid to thinking they were. It also showed me that they didn't care about "facts" as much as they said they did, they would always cherry-pick the same one or two things, take them out of context, and use them to preach "Islam bad" to people
Yeah, I totally relate and see how that could happen; its unfortunate but the 'left' was never good at putting forth nuanced and forth provoking arguments, I'm assuming that's why so many of us had this experience. the SJWs made a lot of noise and even though they aren't the majority, they were so loud that I was deluded into thinking that I had to be on the right to not be a so-called special snowflake. Similarly, I didn't really know any minorities, so I struggled to see their point of view. I have a question (you don't need to answer, I'm genuinely curious), as a Muslim woman, what do you think of the burka being illegal in some countries (like in France)? Most of the people I see talking about this aren't muslim so I'd be interested to know what you think about it!
@@chapterbarbara8161 I firmly believe it's an infringement on the rights of women. We should be able to choose what we want to wear without the government policing it. I honestly haven't seen anyone justify banning them without also justifying Islamaphobia. What is your opinion on it?
I see! To be honest with you I don’t really know. The reason I lean more toward the ban is that it hides the person under the burka completely and may in some cases pose a threat. But again by that logic ski masks would be illegal and I don’t see that being the case. Another argument is that it represents female oppression, but I don’t know how true that is. This argument is weird to me as well, because banning women from wearing a burka because it restricts the freedom of women is stupid and an oxymoron (unless you follow the line of reasoning of positive freedom of “force people to be free). I’m honestly not against women wearing one if it is their choice and not anyone else’s. If they want to do their shopping wearing a burka that’s their business, not mine. I think my main concern is security, so banning it in places like banks or airports seems like it could have reasonable arguments behind it. Banning it completely I don’t think I agree with (I hope this made sense haha, honestly I asked you Bc I don’t know enough on the topic to really make a meaningful contribution)
@@chapterbarbara8161 I've lived in 4 different countries so I've travelled quite a lot in my life, and in airports, women wearing burkas/niqabs [Honestly, I don't think people even know the differences between the religious garments in Islam (hijab/niqab/burka/abaya)] *do* take them off for identification purposes so it's not actually a problem when it comes to security. (Noting that usually the people they take it off in front of are female employees, which I think is reasonable but others might differ.) Yes that does make sense though, thank you for being open-minded and considering Muslim women in the equation. In my humble opinion, I think forcing religious garments on women *is* a problem in countries like Saudi Arabia; however, I don't think it's a problem in Western countries. Quite the contrary, in fact, I know of multiple Muslim women who don't wear religious garments to select places even though they want to because they're afraid of hostile responses. (My friend back in highschool wanted to wear the hijab, for example, but didn't want to be judged by her classmates so she would wear it everywhere but school, and the moment she graduated and started going to university, she started wearing it full-time. I'd like to also note that her family weren't really practising Muslims and this was all of her own accord and beliefs.) I do think that reactions from society come from both places (Muslim folk and non-Muslim folk) when you're a Muslim woman wearing religious garments, and that's something non-Muslim people never seem to address. (hopefully I was able to articulate that clearly, let me know if you need me to expand on it) I'm unsure as to what you mean by "pose a thread" though.
@@FatimaZahra-lu8bf Thank you so much for your insight! I understand a lot better now. It’s absolutely fucked that your friend couldn’t wear a hijab, for fear of being harrassed. That should never happen and being aggressive toward people for practicing their freedom of religion is beyond disgusting. I didn’t even think of the fact that the people who check ID would also be women, but it makes a lot of sense. Honestly most people I see talking about this argue in favor of the ban so it was super interesting getting your point of view! (Sorry threat*, not thread lol. The argument I tend to hear is that even Tunisia has banned the wearing of the niqab in public institutions for security reasons following three terror attacks, so safety is the main argument)
I went through a complete opposite experience, I used to be an alt-left borderline SJW but over the years I realized that it was just me finding excuses to not take responsibility for anything and putting blame on everyone for my shortcomings. I would run from personal responsibility, lie so that I don't have to take any responsibility, blame others when things went wrong and as I rectified that and became more responsible, got a job, paid back the debts, cut off the toxic people, I also became a centrist and tbh now I couldn't care less about politics, I just want to do my work. If there are SJWs and Alt-right around me, I respect their opinions but they can't force their opinions on me. I support individualism over collectivism all day as it helped me stand on my feet. Just an advice for people, take individual responsibility and an entire group of responsible individuals can eradicate the need for people to buy into these ideologies.
En fait je me demande si la « radicalisation » des jeunes est pas directement liée aux réseaux sociaux. C’est là que les propos sont les plus radicaux et donc quand tu viens d’un milieu ou d’un autre, c’est facile de trouver le camp d’en face complètement débile. Surtout si ce sont les plus fous de la bande auxquels tu es confronté. Si tu viens d’une famille de classe moyenne, universaliste, c’est clair qu’être confronté à des sjw extrêmistes ne va pas te faire penser que tu es du même bord politique qu’eux. C’est valide pour l’inverse aussi. La sagesse qu’on apprend en grandissant c’est distinguer les réelles idées derrière toute la propagande de droite et de gauche et savoir ce à quoi un adhère (on peut avoir des idées de droite et de gauche en même temps qui l’eut cru) sans se laisser leurrer par du charisme ou des appels à l’émotion à tout va. (Mes excuses pour le message en français je ne me sentais pas de l’écrire en anglais)
a political glow up? im here for that! Also kudos for addressing this pubblicly and admitting your flaws, not everyone can be this vocal about stuff like this!
I found Cassie Jaye. Then, Milo, Ben, etc. Got right (cuse pun) into it. Went round arguing with everyone. Then looked at the left side. Realized it was the same format, from interviewing dump trump supporters, sexits, etc. Then I made the decision to fuck it all off. Started having a laugh again. Getting friends and more importantly, my family.
Honestly I feel like it’s the best decision lol. I obviously had a similar experience but the way in which I’ve changed is mainly being more calm and measured about my views
The people you just mentioned are leftists. They conserve nothing. Here's a true right winger: "The Best of Nick Fuentes GO OFF MOMENTS" ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-7O1iIuNbD5I.html
I don't associate alt right wingers with conservatives. Because they are extremists, just like the far left. I'm conservative and while I don't agree with them on everything, I'd rather vote for them. But that's just me. I'm anti sjw feminst, for a lot of reasons. Now I like the traditional feminists views, such as equality with men, rights to vote, etc. But some modern day ones, want to be suprior to men and have this childish attitude that I can't stand. Do I believe sexism still exists? Yes, especially in other countries that don't have laws that support their rights. As for blm, I liked the idea of it back it first started. But over time I became skeptical of it for a lot of reasons. Do I believe that racism still exists and police brutality exists? Of course, but issue isn't and excuse my pun black and white. It's grey, because of how complicated the issue is. I never watched any of the people you mentioned, because I litterly don't care that much about politics, but my brother did and he got sick of hearing them after awhile. This was a vey interesting video, but I am curious Barbra, where do you stand now? Would consider yourself Neutral? Just curious, you don't have to answer.
That’s interesting! I certainly believe that there is a lot more to the right than neo-Nazi extremists. I tend to understand where a lot of moderate conservatives come from actually. The reason I call myself a feminist now is because there’s there’s no escaping generalizations. As there’s trash in both sides some people will either associate you as mgtow incel or feminazi. I stand by the dictionary definition of feminism which is equal social and political rights, and if there’s a terf somewhere that gives feminism a bad name that’s really not my problem. As for BLM it took me a loooong time and a stupid amount of research to come to the conclusion that racism is a big problem, especially in the US (The New Jim Crow is à book that explains it very thoroughly + the Netflix documentary 13th). Right now I consider myself a Social Democrat and Progressive but I certainly don’t invalidate your average every day conservative. But right wing values just aren’t what I align with, especially when it comes to the environment. Thanks for giving me your point of view btw, it’s interesting and shows that conservatives shouldn’t be demonized!
Ngl I did used to watch some of these people but thankfully I never became a conservative . Now I did enjoy the whole anti sjw cringe stuff but I think that it was just not knowing shit. Honestly hearings a book tuber talking about not being the classic liberal "sjw" was part of what I liked but I agree that I kind of started agreeing with conservative untill it hit wait....this is also dumb. Politics is a journey ever changing and ever evolving to represent both your values and how you want your environment to change . Noe I've accepted we are all doomed. Also fucking healthcare Holly crap anyone who days it's bad automatically looses all respect from me .
Interesting insights into your changes, thanks. you tube can be a bit like being dragged through a hedge backwards. frazzle your mind.... and somehow if you survive it you can end up holding many oppositional views at the same time...quite comfortably. I'd say that is intelligence. ability to look from a vast array of different perspectives. looking forward to the next exciting episode of barbara shares her thoughts. hi from totnes, uk.
Rise and fall since a lot of these people are either irrelevant now, making different content/finding a new grift or switching sides. These politics still exist but RU-vid punditry has become less popular.
Reassuring to know someone else had such a similar experience. In my case I was following these people while they were "debunking creationists", all the while reading Dawkins and Hitchens. I got used to taking the things they said at face value, as entertainment. When they switched to ranting about SJWs, feminists and migrants I just went along with it and started following even more "liberal but actually bordering alt-right" channels. Pretty sure the endpoint was a stream with (a very controversial right-wing figure) talking about (some crazy stuff) where I had my "What the **** am I doing here?" moment. Thankfully I've now switched to the talking skull guy and ContraPoints, mental health improved. Still a centrist libertarian (if that's even a thing), just hopefully not a horrendously ill-informed one. Thanks for sharing! Edit: Reconsidered some very algorithm-unfriendly things lol
Good to see that you became more objective in your views. I'm fairly fairly far left, though I like to socialize with people of all different views. Anyway, in terms of ContraPoints, I've seen some of her content, though not a whole lot of it. I know she's pretty successful though, and I've heard that she has helped move a good number of viewers move away from the far right. Is that true, as far as you know?
@@technoloverish Yeah, I've heard other people say she was their "gateway" out of right-wing youtube. Personally I stopped watching all political commentary for months, then found her channel completely by accident and thought "why the hell not". I think what got me is that the first few videos I watched had nothing to do with the culture war, they were just topics I was vaguely interested in. Same thing with with channels like Shaun and Big Joel. So yeah, best way to leave an echo chamber is first listening to someone from the other side talking about something you don't have a firm opinion about, if they make sense you're now willing to hear them out on other issues, you're open to hearing them criticize people you used to hold in high regard etc.
that fucking sucks man this is making me ashamed of some of the views I held... There are man countries where society holds women to these archaic standards
So you got radicalized into edgy centrism when the algorithm was favoring those channels and you finally came to your senses and became a progressive when right wing content started getting purged and progressive channels started getting massively promoted. That sounds a tad bit conformist, wouldn't you say? Anyway, you're a Croat, right? Don't you think it's kinda unnatural for you to be an American style progressive?
That's very true. I certainly wouldn't have changed my stance if I hadn't seen people talk about different points of view. For a very long time the progressives were reduced to calling people bigots and lacked nuance in their arguments. So in a way, I agree that the algorithm played a role, but probably not in the way you think. Instead of taking smart-sounding talking points and regurgitating them, I am researching both sides and making my own opinion. And yes, my mother is Croatian. But I have never lived in Croatia, and because of my background I have a hard time tying myself to the politics of the countries I have lived in or have relations in. I think it's perfectly natural to be interested in the politics of the most powerful country in the world. Just because I am interested in and passionate about what goes on in the US it doesn't mean that I won't keep up to date with what happens here in Europe, too.
@@chapterbarbara8161 Sure, that's fair. Maybe I was a bit too reductive when speaking of the algorithm, but it is a trend I've seen in the last two years. I don't mean to imply that you posses no capacity for autonomous reflection, but it is simply the case that such phenomena of mass conversion in general have more to do with people's ability to sense social cues and trends and then conform to them. Media thus fashions public opinion. Some people are more prone to that, others are more autonomous in their thought. I can't say what the case is for you in particular, but you seem quite reflective and self-aware. I think you somewhat misunderstood what I meant by it being unnatural. I think it's perfectly normal and rational to be invested in political developments in the USA, since the USA is the global (political and cultural) hegemon and their politics will by default spill onto the rest of the world. My point was more to the effect of internalizing American discourse and cultural trends that are a product of American internal development and in my opinion don't really map onto European experience, history, identity, etc., I very much see America as a foreign, invasive force refashioning Europe in its image since Europe is under its protectorate. I also think Americans are a very bourgeois people for the most part and I simply have a difficult time imagining a Croat taking American progressive thought seriously. I understand that you're half Croat, but, still, I think this is a blood and nature of a people thing. I think this last point I'm making is manifest in the reservations you take towards progressivism, like your aversion to fat acceptance and a reservation about immigration. There's a sense of basic common sense about it that typically lacks among the bourgeoisized Americans. What do you make of progressive immigration shilling to the point of displacing and replacing the native populations of Western countries? Western native populations are projected to become minorities in many of their own countries.
To be fair I can see how it would come across, so I don’t blame you for saying that the algorithm has had an effect on me. You are correct, the media has always had a role in shaping the general public’s opinion. Ah I see, that’s interesting. Personally I think that there is an overlap which can lead to people assimilating similar progressive values. Throughout history, for example, women’s rights have been compromised throughout the entire world (including Europe) and not just the US. When it comes to race, we did not segregate racial minorities in Europe, we certainly have a very dirty history when it comes to colonialism, which had a direct impact on people of colour. When it comes to a somewhat more modern approach to US style progressive values, Poland and Hungary are infamous for having an aversion toward the LGBT community. This is why I don’t find it that outlandish to share progressive values with Americans. Maybe I’m naïve, but I just want people to be able to live their lives free of the judgement that has been passed on them by society, regardless of their gender, sexual orientation, race etc etc. Of course, there are some American values I have a hard time understanding (such as the right to a fire arm). That’s a perfect example of an issue I have little to no understanding of (given my cultural upbringing), so I don’t have any strong opinions on the matter. To be perfectly honest with you, I don’t really know what to make of that. Immigration is such a shady area to me and I don’t know enough to make any informed contributions. I know that the empath in me wants to welcome everyone and give them opportunities they did not have before, but obviously I am aware of the fact that this is impossible and unrealistic. And what exactly do you mean by natives becoming minorities? Do you mean white people (not trying to call you a racist or anything, just curious) ? To me, the most important part is preserving certain aspects of our culture. And if an Afghan migrant lives his life according to our laws and values, I don’t really care that he is originally from another country.
@@chapterbarbara8161 I'm of the traditionalist persuasion and it seems to me you're selling the Old World a little bit short here. I have to confess that I don't put much stock into the notion of "rights", since such rights seem to be nothing more than a bludgeon with which the neoliberal and/or progressive order seeks to dismantle tradition and custom in order to further deracinate people for the purpose of cold and anti-human economic efficiency. Whenever some new rights are invoked, it necessarily presupposes a dismantlement of some traditional order of things that has stood the test of time, and in its place comes alienation, degradation of human relationships and relationality itself as manifested in decline of community, etc. The traditional view of sex relations is a complementary one. Where sexes have different spheres of influence and fulfill different, but complementary social roles and functions that are tied to their nature, as also reflected in biology. It's an organicist view of society where society is taken as an organism in itself and all of its parts working for the benefit of the whole in a non-reductive manner. I'd agree that men had primacy on the basis of sex, just as a king had primacy on the basis of class or a parent had primacy on the basis of age and the mere fact he/she is a parent in that particular relation, but all of those things also presuppose a substantially higher degree of personal responsibility on the part of those who have primacy. People often forget that fathers and husbands would be held liable to a higher degree even if a woman commited some misdeed, that men were the ones fighting wars, defending the community and putting their lives in more danger for the good of the community in general. That whole arrangement, in my opinion, seems to have a firm biological basis. Indeed, it doesn't make much sense to posit that some kind of sex warfare was going on for thousands of years of human history, if not hundreds of thousands, with one sex simply subjugating and oppressing the other. In fact, such an arrangement was even naturally selected for, it is no coincidence that the so-called "patriarchy" is a human universal. I find it to be much more sensible to posit that it was a natural and organic way of sexes working together for the common good. Modern notions of equality would've been completely foreign to pre-modern people (for the most part), and ideed would have been selected out by nature itself which is why we don't find any traditional society holding to such notions and ordering their society in such a sex-egalitarian way. Even today in contemporary Western societies it lowers fertility and selection favours more traditional arrangements. That is why female education and "empowerment" in the third world are some of the primary goals of transnational bodies (like the UN) that are concerned with overpopulation. It is about lowering their fertility, among other things. They explicitly state that. It seems to be a state of evolutionary disequilibrium. To simply ignore all of that and reduce pre-modern sex relations to some midwitish, cartoonish, strugle of the sexes is just facile. What I had in mind when I said the US experience doesn't translate to Europe and the rest of the world is simply that the rest of the world isn't as divorced from the old ways and these convoluted theories of female subjugation through history and the like simply seem goofy. The US is also a place that severed its roots to the Old World, it is a place without a firm historical anchor, it lacks historical perspective. Admiteddly, much of the world and especially Europe has internalized these egalitarian dogmas to some extent, but, again, that seems to me to be an invasive artefact of American cultural hegemony, of cultural and economic pseudoimperialism, so to speak. As far as European colonialism goes, it's always cruious to me how Ottoman and Moorish imperialism are never mentioned in that context. Our people have fought against the invading Turks for hundreds of years. Our sons have been taken away to be made into janissaries, our daughters have been taken away as concubines and slaves, our lands taken over by the foreign, non-European, empires, etc. They never seem to be chastised for their imperial exploits, on the contrary, they are proud of the exploits of their ancestors, as they should be, in all honesty. The question is simply why is the same benefit not afforded to Europeans, or alternatively why don't the progressives chastize non-Europeans for the same kind of behaviours and practices? To this day in some parts of Bosnia and Herzegovina you can find old Croat grandmas with folkish Christian tattoos on their arms. Those tattoos are remnants of the Ottoman times, when Catholic Croats used to tattoo their daughters so that the Muslims would deem them unclean and consequently not take them away, or in case they still do take them that the young girls would never forget their Catholic Croat roots. There's a great deal of dishonesty about these topics, indeed even countries that were subject to imperialism and never colonial themselves, such as Ireland or Croatia, are chastised for their whiteness. I know I have written a lot. To much for a RU-vid comment, to be perfectly frank. But the thing is that I feel obliged to at least offer you an alternative to what I consider to be an anti-human ideology. You can make your own opinions and I'm not trying to infringe on that, but I ask of you to at least give my thoughts a little bit of contemplation. You don't have to address this whole tract I've written, don't feel obliged to do it. The only thing I'm curious about is this: do you really think natives not wanting to become minorities in their own ancestral homelands would in some sense be racist?
Right so I wont’t be replying to everything, but I can answer your question. I don’t think it’s racist. I don’t think the Australian was aboriginals wanted to become a minority. I don’t think the New Zealand Mauri did either. To be honest, that argument doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. I am for the preservation of our cultures. That is all. And I believe we can achieve that even if we welcome migrants into the country. You obviously know a lot about history and I admire that, but I’m afraid I can’t say I agree with most of the points you make. I would however, thank you for your input, and thank you for being so articulate and respectful. Not many people can do that
can we tone it down with the ableist/insensitive language, and the internalized issues with how emotional or cringey someone is on the left? u have a lot to change still abt ur views.
both extremes are bad, get out of youtube twitter facebook and the toxic social media, find an instrument to play, or a hobby, talk to people face to face, you'll discover that we all are not how you meet people online, we share a lot more values and ideas in common.
although to be fair I don't think being Conservative or Liberal is bad, just don't fall off the deep end of either side. I still consider myself Conservative (not right-wing, if that makes sense), at least in the sense that I hold conservative values but looking back I think I softened my views a bit; I'm not saying I'm starting to lean Liberal or anything... I don't really follow political commentators anymore apart from Lauren Chen and Blaire White. And honestly, I still like Jordan Peterson, I don't think he's an alt-right figure. Although, speaking of feminism, what do you think of issues that were brought up like the pink tax or gender pay gap, because even if I'm not particularly anti-feminist anymore (a lot of places in the world in general certainly need it), I still think those two are bullshit claims. And as for BLM, I hated the riots and looting like how I hated the riots at the Capitol. And yeah, antifa is shit, that hasn't changed. So, yeah, I didn't say my stances or views particularly changed, just that I don't feel them as strongly; my mindset is just, this is my opinion, and others have differing opinions for whatever reason I don't really care about. "It is what it is" basically. I don't care as much.
I also don't agree that right has lost their shit and the left has become calmer; I think they're both off the deep end, I feel as though American politics has become much more polarizing thanks to both sides. It's actually somewhat disappointing, as someone who still considers herself to be a part of one side. Although, again, I mostly don't care anymore and just got used to it. Ugh, but I think one stupid, example of this is the hate Chris Pratt for...what? For not being vocal about politics so people automatically assume his politics lean towards this or this, for being Christian, for supporting a church that was ALLEGEDLY homophobic? It's ridiculous, and somewhat coincides with your other video about the divide in the parties and how Social Media just amplified it.
I fell all the way into being an Anarcho-Capitalist (fucking embarassing), constantly trying to justify why my political views didn't really seem to match up with what I'd agree is moral. And now I'm a full blown Marxist. I never thought before that this would be possible haha but it is
Hey, I wrote you a comment and I think it got into an automatic youtube filter, could you please put it out? Unless of course … you think that's justified or something…?
Hey! I saw your comment notification but I couldn’t click on it and it’s not in my spam folder either... so I couldn’t reply to it. I can do it here but give me some time as it’s not something I can just throw out like that. I still see your comment in my inbox but the fact it doesn’t appear publicly isn’t up to me :)
Let me know if you want me to copy paste your original comment somewhere. Ok, In New York City alone, 88% of police stops in 2018 involved Black and Latino people, while 10% involved white people. (Of those stops, 70% were completely innocent). (New York Civil Liberties Union. “Stop-and-Frisk Data.” www.nyclu.org/en/stop-and-frisk-data.) Black Americans are more likely than white Americans to be arrested. Once arrested, they are more likely to be convicted, and once convicted, they are more likely to experience lengthy prison sentences. These charges are usually related to drugs, it’s this whole situation that started with the so called ‘war on drugs,’ which has been proven to disproportionately affect people of colour; Black Americans and white Americans use drugs at similar rates, but Black Americans are 6 times more likely to be arrested for it (NAACP. “Criminal Justice Fact Sheet.” www.naacp.org/criminal-justice-fact-sheet/.) The reason why African Americans are targeted in this way is because black communities are more heavily policed. This also has impact on statistics : if you use more people from a specific community, the percentage will be higher, thus leading to more results. Another factor to take into consideration is this: what pushes people into crime is poverty. African American communities have pretty much been forced to stay in these impoverished communities, with shit education and next to no ressources. They need to find a way to make a living and if they have no other alternative, they turn to crime. The problem here is Mass incarceration: Black people are much more likely to be arrested, get harsher sentences and in turn used as cheap labour within the prison industrial complex. That is one of the reasons that in my humble opinion justifies Black Lives Matter. Another point you made is about police not being racist. I disagree. I don’t see how anyone can argue that many of these killings weren’t racially motivated (George Floyd, Elijah McClain, Breonna Taylor). These people, whatever they did or did not do, did not deserve to be killed by police, end of. Wether it is a ‘trend’ or not, these things should not happen at all. I’ll look into the matter more, because like I said, I’ve mainly researched the problem of mass incarceration so far. Most of my Information I got from a Book called ‘The new Jim Crow,’ as well as documentaries and articles I’d me happy to send you if you’re interested. I am certainly not the best source of info on the matter but I hope this helps ahah.
Dear Barbara, I love how you developed during your break. I watched your old stuff because it was funny. Now I watch it because it's truly interesting and I think it will motivate young people to think for themselfs and to see that the world isnt as easy as black and white. Issues and global problems are way more complicated which is why we have to discuss and exchange our experiences. I had a similar revelation as you when I was about 14 years old (although I never considered myself as right) because my brother was very into politics and explained a lot to me, (I was lucky) and it was truly difficult to fit in with other kids who didn't want to talk about so political and global issues and only saw their live experiences as privileged German people. Today I'm married to a politics major and it's so nice to see the "younger generation" (rediculous to call it that because I'm 27) getting more into politics. I love your new stuff. My question is not about politics though (because I have enough of it at home XD) it's about your Bulimia. Please only answer if you are comfortable. How did it start and how did you get into doing it regularly? Did you start on your own or did you see it from someone else first?
Wow. I have read this comment several times and it touched me every time. Thank you. I’d be lying if I said that I wasn’t hurt and put off by everyone who has unsubscribed since my shift in content, so comments like yours really make me want to keep creating new content and discussing various issues. I know this sounds overly cheesy but I mean it! Man you’re living the dream Ahahah I’ll consider my romantic endeavors a fail if I don’t end up marrying a political science major 😂(Also for the qna I think I’ll redo the announcement Bc I don’t think a lot of people saw it lmao)
@@chapterbarbara8161 oh, don't worry about people unsubscribing, love. If you where here because of the clicks you would have started a make up channel and gain subscriptions like crazy. You wouldn't be happy though. At the end your audience has to keep up with you! Not the other way around. Try to not bother to much. It's just a button and even if you reach "just" 100 or 10 people or just 1 person, it's gonna be worth something because you provoke them to think. It's a valuable thing that you are doing, now more than ever. I'm trying to do it every day with my patients (working as a physical therapist) and talking about daily issues. I feel so "powerful" and important if I have exchanged thoughts and experiences with only one person a day. At the end one person a day makes 365 people a year and that my girl is a ton :)
Back then when SJWs were crazier, there was just something so incredibly disingenuous about everything they did that I felt an aversion to. It's just a automatic reaction I had about them, like something was just off and that they were bullshitting us. I think most people felt the same. We humans evolved to try and see past the bullshit by analyzing how others express themselves, because it could cost us in many ways.
I agree! Honestly I think that the reason a lot of people turned to the right was just bc they wanted to turn away from this kid of behaviour; I certainly didn't want to be associated with them but now I don't really care lol
@@Prism-Power Well, I think that you can have an opinion on anything as long as you educate yourself on the subject. Otherwise one might as well say "imagine being a woman and thinking you have an opinion on mgtow".
@@gabe.6273 Yeah, believe in Gabe, the jeeeew. Isreal has nothing to do with the wars in the middle east whatsoever! (If you can't tell, i'm being sarcastic).
