Curious where you would place the killers. They were huge (2001). Also I understand you placing Breaking Ben in butt rock but his we are not alone album had billy corgin and evanescence assistance (touring). Corgin wrote 3 songs if I remember correctly and they are solid (rain, follow, and forget it I think). Post that album I can understand the butt rock opinion.
Linkin Park seemed like the band that a lot of non-rockers could listen to. They had hip hop elements that appealed to a lot of the youth in the hip hop crowd. My brother was all about gangster rap and hated rock, until i showed him Linkin Park, and thats when he went down a rock music rabbit hole and basically listened to everything rock from Sublime, The Strokes, and even to AFI’s early 90s hardcore albums. All of my ghetto Asian and Latino friends thought all rock music was Honkey, but Linkin Park softened their tastes until they started listening to pop punk.
Which is kind of confusing when you look at it. Rock and rap have been working together long before LP did it, even nu metal as a whole. I guess people forget Walk This Way, or even Ice T rapping about cop killing, then years later leading a hardcore band
@matty caswell it did, but it just wasn't done quite well yet. They hadn't integrated a sort of fusion of the two worlds like LP did. Beforehand, it was just "here's a rock song with a rapper on it... or some rap on it." It was separate in a way, and not just one glued thing. I mean, even LP ended up doing a project with Jay-Z. That right there tells you a lot. It was a nice fusion of both worlds: they were respected in the hip hop scene and rock. It's very hard to do.
My one buddy's GF was queen bee at her High school, head cheerleader blah blah blah...when I found out that she also liked Linkin Park, I knew they were going to blow up
@@Sheenoobie agreed, but I grew up in an environment where they were distinctly different scenes for some reason. Most Asian and Latino friends gravitated towards hip hop or techno to some degree in the 90s, possibly due to proximity to music based on the areas they lived in. Also, skater punks were fervently anti-rap when I was growing up, the whole “rap is crap” mentality and it is part of the mainstream, so that level of elitism wasn’t very welcoming to outsiders
@@Courtj3st3r33 davey havok from AFI has stated that he noticed a change in his band’s success when girls started coming to shows, which brought out more dudes subsequently. He noted that girls have the best taste in music lol
There is something comfy and welcoming about the Hot Topic/Vampire Freaks/My Space era, regardless what we might think about those bands, it provided millions of teens and young adults a way to enter and explore the "alt" scene and through popular acts like LP or Evanescence discover other lesser known bands. I also greatly enjoyed the Garage revival era following the dusk of the first wave Nü Mental.
Linkin park is the definite gateway band. I don't know how they do it but the hooks are insanely catchy. My mom listens to only r&b but she loved them, especially when they did the collab with Jay z.
They had a short documentary on the Meteora album included with the cd. It showed how much work they put in to making things catchy and appealing. Like rewriting lyrics for more broad appeal and less specificity.
Yeah, LP is really one of those bands that was so successful because they appealed to simply everyone. Not only did they draw their fans from all different teen subcultures (metalheads, punks, hiphoppers), but they were also on one hand heavy enough that teens could think "This is so much better than the dull pop mainstream" but were still appealing enough that your parents would have no problem with them either.
Basically all of their singles were re-arranged by pro song writers to sound like this: catchy and groovy and radio friendly. There was an interview in the German magazin "Visions" in which the band was asked about their writing process and the PR lady stopped the interview after the band stuttered to answer. That was 20y ago.
I think mainly it’s cause Chester had very accessible screaming that didn’t sound super weird & scary to normal people so if u grew up on LP it made more extreme screaming not be as unappealing as it would for most people
I would argue that Linkin Park were a gateway for people wanting to get into heavy metal and for people getting into hip-hop. Linkin Park was the one band that you saw people of every ethnicity and background jamming to. I cant think of any rock band since then thats had complete crossover appeal like Linkin Park (and Limp Bizkit to a different degree).
That’s type of the impact the Beatles had done before in 60’s and even after they’re split up in the 70’s when they went solo but bigger. No matter what type of person with a certain kind of background you meet, he or she could be a fan of a particularly band regardless. That’s the biggest common ground I see between the Fab Four and LP.
I don't think that's arguable. Almost nobody jumps straight into the deep end of heavy music. Linkin Park were massive and undoubtedly is where some people started their journey with rock music. Some people who mainly listened to pop/popular music would be introduced to rock bands who broke through to pop radio and TRL at the time. Limp Biskit is definitely one too. And before both of them, the Aerosmith/Run DMC song probably did the same for the young people hearing that. They become gateway bands. I'm pretty sure Finn has specifically talked about this on a few different occasions and also specifically mentioned Linkin Park in that regard. This is how many things in life work. If you're in to fragrances, you don't buy a $500 bottle of Creed as your first bottle of cologne. You buy Curve at your local grocery store and if you decide you like fragrances, you graduate past the easily accessible entry level stuff. Not the best example, but I'm sure you follow.
And a lot of "luck" is involved. Getting gifted an opportunity at the right time. But the biggest part of that is the artist being ready when that opportunity comes. Always be ready.
I was obsessed with Korn as a teenager. Say what you will about them now, but they got me through some rough years. And I'll always be a little extra grateful to them because if not for Korn I may never have learned about Deftones.
KORN is still the shit to be honest...their last record was dope and I seen them live last year and they rock just as hard as they did back then... Still a FREAK
@@patrickmcdaniel2048 I'm 38 and I was using a walkman until like 2007. Discmans were cool, but we poor people had to stick to the oldschool hardware because, you know, money and stuff. When I got a discman in 2003 or so I never took it outside my house because I was too afraid to break it, lol. Casettes were coming out even in 2010 here in Poland, I think, because CDs were too expensive to many people.
I'm also 31 and this is the music I grew up on! My Chem was my favourite band of all, but I'd listen to Korn, Fall Out Boy, Linkin Park etc. Emo/punk/rock was my gateway into metal, which is now by far my preferred genre. But I will always cherish the bands I grew up on!
I was so stoked to see he included them! I remember popping their self-titled album into my stereo and hearing that first screaming vocal. It felt like my entire life shifted in that moment 🖤 I turned it down super low because I was afraid my parents would confiscate it, and listened to the entire album straight through. What a defining moment
I still remember the day in 2006 when Fuse debuted that MCR video. I was only a mild fan of their previous hits, but the song and video floored me. It was immediately apparent that everything about this song is going to be iconic to our generation. It was a lovely moment in time.
It's so weird to hear you talk about Jet and The strokes as "alternative" here in the UK they were just an extension of "britpop" which as you can probably imagine was considered very "pop" and mainstream. Like a more modern version of the beatles.
@@ThisIsErdoS Can you not read? In america they werent considered brit-pop, but they sounded a lot like the brit-pop of the 90s. So much so that some people thought they were from the UK when their first album came out. In america they were advertised as neo garage rock, if they were from the UK they surely wouldve been categorized as brit-pop
Breaking Benjamin was my gateway band into metal. They just knew how to combine the heavy guitars and drums with awesome catchy clean vocals. I think Ben Burnley is one of the most underrated rock vocalists of the 21st century. He just has a very unique voice that is both sweet and rough at the same time.
And their sound has been extremely consistent. Well I think they have improved their musicianship on a technical level, stylistically they sound very much the same on every album which is a good thing in my opinion
Linkin Park was the first band I really fell in love with back when Hybrid Theory came out. I told myself over and over every time they toured, "I'll see them next time". If you like a band, see them NOW. There might not be a next time, especially in a genre rife with sad lyrics.
As a fan of Guitar Hero, its not surprising the top 2 songs on 3 were welcome to the jungle and through the fire and flames. The game was promoted so heavily with slash (him being on the cover of the game more specifically) that welcome to the jungle was essentially the promotional theme song. So easily making that a big sell. And Dragonforce being completely unknown basically at the time, this has gotta be the most genius way to "introduce" them to the world. Their songs are, what I'd say, the best example of what songs should be as for top tier in difficulty for the game. And for them to just throw this song at you after you have beaten the game and its literally so crazy that we have never thought something like this could be that hard in Guitar Hero. And with the song actually being like fun and catchy, it's no wonder why it exploded as much as it did.
This might be my favorite video you’ve ever done. And I’ve seen most of them for the last several years. It’s a well thought and researched cultural commentary. That was a lot of fun to watch.
@@mpross92 owl city was very different from the emo and gangster rap that dominated the era which were serious while owl city was childlike and innocent while still being pretty poetic which was hard to find both back then and even moreso now.
Dude... The Final Fantasy video almost made me cry... I was SO into the Anime Music Videos, they still hit me hard. As much as I love 2010's 2020's metal and prog, these songs still have a very special space in my heart.
@@SerErryk Found BB in high school which led me to A Day to Remember and Killswitch Engage. That led me to Suicide Silence then to Cannibal Corpse and Morbid Angel.
@@andrewlong46842000s metalcore got me into melodic death metal bands like In Flames, At The Gates, Soilwork, and The Haunted. After that I got into bands like Carcass and Death. I’ve liked death metal ever since.
@@andrewlong4684 Definitely, especially considering I found out about Bolt Thrower and Dismember because of their albums with Warhammer 40,000 art on the cover (Realms of Chaos and Massive Killing Capacity respectively). I remember flipping through albums at my local record store and bought those two just because of the cover art haha
I remember my friend showing me "teenagers" from mcr in highschool and I thought it was the sickest thing ever. I felt so angsty blasting it🤣 I was also a huge fan of the used, fall out boy and linkin park. The emo era was pretty wild. I loved the 2000s, I also miss MySpace. Having your own favorite songs playing when someone came to your page was awesome, social media now I boring. We also had that ring back thing where you could set your favorite song as the dial tone instead of the normal dial tone for ppl calling you, I can't believe that isn't a thing anymore.
Would have loved if Green Day’s American Idiot made your list. Feel like the impact of that album was monumental to my late-90s kid generation. At the time American Idiot was one of my earliest and most comprehensive introduction in to Punk. But anyway another solid video. 10/10
yes, much more impact than Blink 182. if you look beyond the usa. By the way every decade for Finn is "weird" the 80s, the 90s, the 00s. I mean it doesnt mean anything anymore if you put that label on every decade. Maybe the 10s were not so weird but they werent so exciting.....
I thought Green Day was mentioned in the 90's video. He mentioned them when he was talking about the 94 Woodstock. Though I thought he could have talked more about them than a brief mention.
Killswitch Engage is the perfect gateway metal band, especially if you listen to the Howard Jones era. They have the brutality and heaviness of more extreme kinds of metal, combined with pop and radio sensibilities that appeal to normies. If they’re your first metal band it’s almost like a choose your own adventure. Do you want to go deeper into more extreme genres after Killswitch? Or do you want to head into more radio friendly stuff? It’s like a turn back now sign for normies, and a welcome sign for future metalheads. Also their version of holy diver is the best cover song of all time. That’s not my opinion, it’s just a fact.
It's almost surreal to remember seeing this stuff when it came out and develop opinions on it in real time. Like I find it very interesting how you lift of "Feeling It" and I remember really hating that entire album. However, your retrospective on its influence and impact is spot on. Same with "The Black Parade" because I remember "Helena" and liking it so much more.
I got into Metal during the New Wave of American Metal era, and to me bands like Killswitch Engage, Trivium, and Lamb of God really opened the door for me to discover that genre. Pretty crazy looking back on it.
I only like a few KSE songs. Only got into Trivium through SitN. As a Nu-Metal dude Metalcore sounds diluted, lazy and just Death Metal with better riffs (I hate Death Metal)
Yes! I’m so happy to see this! I watched Mic The Snares video recently and actually was hoping to see you do something similar. 2000-2007 was my middle/high school years and this was my music ❤️
I remember seeing Linkin Park twice at Mississippi Nights (small club in St Louis) as an opener for Kottonmouth Kings and Hed PE in 2000/2001… by summer of 2002 they were headlining amphitheaters. Meteoric rise would be an accurate description.
I still remember the night my local radio station played "One Step Closer" for the first time. It instantly changed the world of music for me as a fourteen year old whom was raised mostly on Christian music. All of the angst, combined with the crunchy riff and hooks, just blew my mind and made me follow them immediately.
I can totally relate to this! I grew up in a Christian household, going to a Christian school, where metal and rap were frowned upon. Linkin Park was my gateway - from there, I got into power metal like Blind Guardian, nu metal like System of a Down, metalcore like Bleeding Through, groove metal like Lamb of God, death metal like Death, melodic progressive metal like Opeth, and black metal like Satyricon. Linkin Park changed my life!
Linkin Park was what got me into rock and metal. Tony Hawk Pro Skater came out when I was 8 so I had heard some stuff like rage against the machine, but when I went was 10 my cousin gave me his cd player and hybrid theory and told me to listen to it. I remember because it was the weekend the baseball movie The Rookie came out. Then when I was 13 The used became my favorite band. I faked being sick in 7th grade to stay at home and download In Love and Death song for song on Limewire with my dial up internet, it took hours.
I love your channel, I wish there were more channels like yours to cover more alternative genres and microgenres like psychobilly/gothabilly, death rock, darkwave, neofolk, ebm, noise, futurepop, dungeon synth, witchouse, etc.
I know people are gonna add their 2 cents on what they think should be on this list but I just wanna say that the editing/transitions between each song/artist was smooth af. Been watching your channel for years along with the rest of my band and we love what you do. You make my lunch breaks at work better haha
@@ThePunkRockMBA both channels bumpin and love to see it You covered my band Monument Of A Memory actually in your Lorna Shore video haha I do vocals in that band. Appreciate the shoutout!
So glad Mic the Snare is getting shown more love. He's a great creator! I remember my Hot Topic had a clipboard by the CDs/Vinyls so you could suggest a band or album to be added to their in-store collection. Good times!
One of my favorite videos you've done so far. Completely agree with these selections. I'm surprised Green Day's American Idiot wasn't mentioned, that record was MASSIVE in the mid-2000s. Inescapable for years.
I appreciate you mentioning ‘The Used’ cuz that was the band that REALLY got me into rock/metal/screamo with their song ‘sound effects and overdramatics’
I’ll never understand how pop music took the route of garage rock after the high production levels of nu metal. Indie was the next to flourish and we went from some of the most innovative production and musicians to the most stripped down music played by cool kids with mostly zero talent
Linkin Park's Hybrid Theory and Meteora, Blink's Self Titled and MCR's Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge and The Black Parade were the albums of my puberty/teenage years, till this days i still listen to all of them.
I was a big fan of the used. Those first two albums were great. Breaking Benjamin is another one that I loved and still do. They seem to have been so consistent
The 2000 - 2010 mall/screamo and post hardcore era was truly the last for guitar/rock music in my opinion. Off the heels of nu metal - that massive emo wave hit mainstream audiences in a HUGE way! The Used, My Chemical Romance, Fall Out Boy, Taking Back Sunday, New Found Glory…these bands blew up! Warped Tour and all the other summer concerts were sold out for fans to see these groups, and they put on so many other acts too like Senses Fail, Hawthorne Heights, Starting Line, Dashboard Confessional and on and on. My fear is that things today have become so electronic, listeners don’t appreciate guitar and instruments anymore. Rock is dead today - and the bands that are thriving like Bring Me the Horizon, Architects, Crown the Empire, Fever 333…they’re all growing so far away from rock music with effects you can barely appreciate the instruments in there. It’s the EDM evolution of House music but for rock music. Thus…the explosion of Mall screamo and post hardcore may have been the last curtain call for true rock fans.
I think you're just not looking hard enough for good, new guitar driven music. There's PLENTY of great new bands out there, but since everything is Internet driven, and there's literally thousands of small independent labels, you have to actually look. Join some music forums. Sub to all your favorite genre subreddits. There's tons of great "rock music" being made right now. To call the post-harcore/screamo era the last great one for guitar music is akin to having tunnel vision. FYI: I'm a gigging guitarist who plays progressive metal (played in bands since 1994), and is in his early 40's. My music tastes range from Deftones to Sleep Token, and Saosin to Deathcab. Radio play in this modern online era is fairly meaningless, and usually just means that a band is marketable to enough to hook the casual listener. You need to look harder.
Well that was a fun nostalgia trip. I was born in 94 so this stuff all was coming out from when I was pretty young, but I have a brother 6 years older than me who would introduce me to a lot of these bands. The point about Blink being edgy, but not edgy enough to where your mom would take the CD away was a perfect description lol. My mom was pretty strict with explicit music when I was growing up so I had to be careful with what I listened to.
I was born in 91 and my little sister in 94. It's really strange that our experiences growing up were so drastically different. All the tech changes that were made in these decades, and the culture changes - and the fact these changes came so fast. It is just crazy to me how 3.5 years age gap and it seems like we are nearly 10 years or more apart.
I was a teenager/young adult through the 00s and can relate to a lot of these bands. Linkin Park's Hybrid Theory I remember in particular was the only album I had I could play in the car when my parents still drove me without worrying about getting in trouble over the swearing, which I couldn't do with Blink for example 🤣
Rose of Sharyn really made that At the Gates metalcore riffs style blow up. Miss those days. As I Lay Dying's Shadow's Are Security was in my constant rotation during that era.
It really is awesome thinking about how different these concurrent scenes were. To this day, I wince when people associate bands like Blink with the Used or MCR with Panic but I get it, they were all being consumed by overlapping audiences for a variety of reasons. As someone who wasn't keyed in to mtv or popular culture in general, discovering acts like AFI and HIM was sensational for me. it felt like passionate people making earnest attempts at art...that would be placed in a playlist next to frat guys singing about getting laid. It was fine to like both, but really confusing for someone trying to incorporate music into their developing personality. As soon as vampire weekend hit, you could tell that something was changing. There wasn't going to be another Black Parade, and as a young guy, that left me feeling left behind. But we all grow to understand the value of new types of art and how they grow with us.
I think the 2000s is also the era where modern guitar tones were established. Metalcore like Killswitch Engage, buttrock stuff like Breaking Benjamin, Chevelle, Nu Metal etc. Not forgetting the era where I discover bands through downloading songs via record label websites (Trustkill, Roadrunner, Prosthetic etc) What an era ❤
2000s had so many great alternative bands, coming up as a teen it was super exciting. All the big bands had charisma and something about them, whereas in the 2010s that faded pretty quickly...
I think in the mid to late 90s there was a lot of popular, commercial, lighthearted music, and it actually went back to being much more dark and serious in the 00s, likely due to 9/11. But then as the years went on people wanted things to be less dark and serious
I'm apart of gen z, being born in 2005. I only recently got into actually alternative music, rock, metal, punk etc I wish I was born at a time where I could've experienced MySpace and the like. Or MTV, or literally anything that isn't whatever they play on the radio now. I don't really use much social media, only Twitter on occasion, probably for the better... I live in a pretty rural area, closest record store is over 30 minutes away. People really like to dog on HotTopic in this day in age...but it's the only place near me that I can shop for band merch without going online...There are some local concerts near me but everyone of them is country or gospel, and are very rare...Also usually garbage.
I really like Killswitch. With both singers, they have great musical hooks, good vocals, just great music. End of HeartAche is one of my favorite songs
Can’t talk about the 2000s without metalcore and deathcore. I feel like that was the last decade where “heavy metal” had a large influence on youth culture. I graduated from high school in 2009, and I remember seeing tons of band t shirts around school, and shows always being packed or sold out, even for smaller bands.
@@8eight104 I feel you, I see lots of younger kids at shows these days, it just doesn’t seem like heavy music is as close to being mainstream as it was back then. But then again, that could just be me looking at the past with rose colored glasses. I’m 31, I have no earthly idea what the kids are up to these days haha
Around '03 I remember there were only two songs that the scene girls were into - Miss Murder by AFI and The Kill by 30 Seconds To Mars. Nothing else came close to how massive these two songs were.
Miss Murder came out in '06 and The Kill in '05. But AFI did hit the mainstream in '03 with their album Sing the Sorrow that had the hit Girl's Not Grey.
Linkin Park is also the band that got me into rock! Then I discovered Green Day and Breaking Benjamin then came Slipknot, My Chemical Romance and so on. I miss those days.
The Used debut album was already pretty big by the time their second album was released. I’d say that started off the post hardcore scene more than IL&D but that definitely elevated it. Not to mention they helped bring MCR into the mainstream
I love Breaking Benjamin still to this day. I will die on the hill that they are not the best band but you aren’t going to instantly change the song if they come on.
