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We have a bunch of P2 cameras in our college that are used regularly even now. It is absolutely clear that the dynamic range is limited and the video comes out looking slightly... soft and low quality for some reason. (Could be bitrate, could be compression, don't know). But I knew a guy from college who made this absolutely gorgeous short film with a P2 camera (don't know which), that was shot mostly in low light yet came out looking almost noiseless and crisp. I don't know what magic he performed on it in post, and he never told me, so...
The way Ben is standing and kneeling when giving me Landscaping advice is better then the Home network ever gave me.... He needs to do more Landscaping videos.... there ive said it... There is something comforting about a "crazy man" giving landscaping advice
Wow this brings back memories! My first production job was at a shop that had a mix of these HVX200s (and their descendents) and the big shoulder mount HPX370s. Those P2 cards were super expensive, but at the time were a breath of fresh are compared to tape or disk based cameras. I joined right at the start of the DSLR revolution with the 5D Mk II gaining prominence as a video camera and it was really cool to see the acceleration of camera tech. In fairly short order we picked up AF100s with their "large" micro 4/3 sensor and soon after that the C100 with an even bigger sensor and great Canon color science. That was a really cool time to have entered the industry. We went from cameras that had to be transported in giant trunks to cameras with massively better image quality that could fit in a small bag.
Also the elimination of "logging and capturing" from the post production workflow was incredible. That used to take nearly as much time as the editing itself.
Used mine for 8yrs until I finally retired it in 2016. The format helped me work with multiple layers of FX back when the Consumer AVCHD format taxed PC's of circa 2007. Also the cards are beasts and I never had a file go bad. The cards were not cheap. $1700 for each of the 2 32gig cards I used, I think I paid 5K for the camera. I use much cheaper setup now but I do have nostalgia for the old HVX200.
We bought one of those Sony miniDV HDV camcorders in 2006… thing was not cheap, and it was still squarely a consumer device, but it was a nice one for sure! There was nothing else on the market that was recording in 1080 at that time…. Blu Ray had *barely* just came out, stations really weren’t broadcasting in HD, and most video-based TV productions weren’t even being recorded in HD. So it really felt cutting edge for the time. Now so many years later everyone can record 4K with the phone in their pocket, but I can’t get hold of a working HDV deck or camera to transfer any of those tapes over!
At my TV station, we're still using Panasonic P2 and Sony SXS cards... We're an ABC affiliate and still running 720p (since ABC is still 720p currently). We'll probably follow whatever ABC ends up doing (probably 4K in the next couple of years).
I got sucked into the enthusiastic landscaping part and finally snapped out of it thinking wait, why am I watching a landscaping video!?!? Oh right. Anyway thanks for the informative and interesting video. Im about to start shooting with one of these thangs for fun. The p2 cards are on the way now.
Sometimes I wonder why interlaced video actually survived the introduction of HD digital video. From what I understand television always used mpeg compression. So why would you reduce datarate by introducing interlacing instead of just turning down the datarate of the encoder? Wouldn't that have resulted in much more even quality?
Interlacing lets you get away with smaller frame-buffers on some of the equipment in the chain since you only need to store one field at a time. A digital cable or satellite box for example would only need half the frame-buffer size for 1080i over 1080p. There's other benefits but those can mostly be had by lowering the framerate to maintain progressive scan or lowering resolution to maintain frame rate with the added bonus of reducing artifacts from de-interlacing in fast moving scenes.
@19:18 OMG... Is Ben drinking again? Panasonic Cameras were amazing. My first camera was a Panasonic. The quality of recording and the lenses were amazing. I had to buy a computer with a FireWire to process the videos, but I it was painfully slow. The only issue I didn't like about my camera was the fact that, I wasn't able to charge the battery AND use the camera at the same time.
I used to record on hdv - it didn't have loss but like any kind of tape you'd still get dropped frames because of run off the mill tape dropout. Somewhat rare, but it happened.
If anyone has ever thought "did a bunch of Americans sit down and decide to make the language sound different just to annoy non-Americans," _yes, that's exactly what happened._ Not kidding.
Those are all ‘NTSC’ frame/field rates of course, not glorious ‘PAL’ 25/50 frame rates! DV25 and XDCAM are still common ‘codecs’ for broadcast file formats. For P2 they are still used professionally and usually required a special drive and software to load into the NLE (non-linear editor). On the subject of ‘4K’ (or more accurately ‘UHD’, as there is a difference between cinematic 4K and broadcast UHD), a lot of live events are captured in 4K and then may be simulcast in downconverted HD and 4K. A lot of non-live content is still captured in 4K, even if it will never be broadcast in that format, of course streaming services is an entirely different matter. Another factor in broadcast cameras is there ability to capture and convert light, often referred to by the ‘f-stop’ reference, plus the HDR curve they can deal with - so don’t think your average low cost ‘4K’ camera is comparable with a proper broadcast (or cinematic) 4K camera. Slo-mo is also an entirely different subject, which as well as impacting your storage, also relies on the capabilities of the sensor and camera processing to be ‘true’ slo-mo. The abilities of the lens and sensor to capture/process light also becomes more critical.
I'm buying this cam for shooting a documentary. It might seems stupid to use this one for these days, but I can't afford more. I've been shooting black metal music videos on my smartphone, pretty dope shoots I say but for this documentary I would like to use a camera which I've found this
I remember these cameras well. Almost bought one but the cost of the P2 cards and the maximum record time, a the time, was the limiting factor. I ended up going for the Sony EX1 which offered SxS cards which were also expensive but had longer recording times. Fun fact. Open up a P2 card and you'll find four Panasonic SD cards.
Early ones, yeah! I've had 16 and 64 GB cards apart, and they're flash chips on a custom board. "Micro P2" cards are literally just U3 SDXC cards with Panasonic logos on them.
@@needfuldoer4531 Ah, cool. I was wondering if they ever transitioned to custom boards. I should say I actually did have a P2 camera for awhile that I bought used. Sold it awhile later. Still have the EX1 though, but I don't shoot much with it anymore.
Nice, it even has a rotary switch for scenes. I presume that's what the SD card is for. And that's just a prosumer camera. I love how DSLR owners are so smug about what they perceive (because it's marketed as such) as quality, and just don't know that there's a whole 'nother world out there. I do setup, calibration and shading for broadcast cameras as part of my job, and use a prosumer Sony NXCAM for personal use. Same form factor, though I'd rather have a full-size camera. The stability of 20 pounds on your shoulder makes a big difference.
Hi. I've got a Sony DCR-TRV320 Digital camcorder, It's been used mostly for vacation video, but now I 'm having trouble playing back tapes. The tape inside is moving, but there's no picture or sound coming from the playback. Keep in mind that this is a very old device, and Sony tech support suggested I buy a newer model as they no longer service this device. You can't even buy the tapes for them in the stores or online (eBay doesn't count). Any idea what the cause may be and what I can do about it?
It's always been a silent L for me with solder too! Probably picked it up from my Hoosier dad. I believe my high school used this camera or something similar in my junior and senior year 2006-2008 for the daily news but at a low resolution because HDTVs were super expensive and no way public schools could afford them back then.
Firewire could do anything anyone bothered to write for it, as it was a full-fledged network Layer 1/2 system. (This could actually be a bad thing on a Windows machine. Desktop Windows computers would sometimes get confused about what to do with multiple network connection, and they didn't come with configuration tools to sort that kind of problem out.)
Pretty sure that HDV only could record interlaced video natively, to get progressive video it required tricks like PsF (progressive segmented frames) which recorded progressive in interlaced tape. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_segmented_frame
I was curious to buy this one, found a guy who sold it for $450, but for $450 its a hassle to figure out what the heck you need to get that dv tape into the computer and also how long can you record on a 16gb card, 2min?
Ben can you do a video explaining how some tvs look normal and some look like real life? Sorry I can't explain it more than that. Is it the soap opera effect? Motion smoothing? Can you do a video on that?
So... magnesium, gallium, germanium, tellurium... but 'alumiNUM'? I'm convinced some education board in the US printed a periodic table with a typo like 100 years ago and nobody questioned it.
Usually the Sony DV Handycams can't record video to the memory stick. Some models like HC96 can but only in low resolution and low bitrate (240p if I remember correctly) which looks a lot worse than the DV footage on the tape (480i NTSC or 576i PAL). I've never tried to record to the memory stick with the HC96 because MiniDV tapes are cheap and the picture quality is decent unlike the low bitrate 240p
Revisiting this video again since it appeared in my recomended section. It's a shame that the Panasonic's general video quality is better than a much younger cheap consumer Sony cx-405. Yes, the Panasonic is on the soft side, but my Sony does not look like 1080p at all. And the colors are washed out. I might look in to replacing the sony (since I am allready selling it) with one of these. It will still be a B cam so it doesn't have to be the best.
I thought that camera looked kind of familiar...I remember checking that bad boy out when we were doing the big possum shootout and thinking it was the coolest thing...Then had to laugh pretty hard upon hearing how the camera cost something like 5x what it cost to make the movie itself XD
So the camera didn't support HD-SDI output so you could just use it as a dumb camera head and record to an offboard HDD like a cheap BlackMagic? I'd expect those to be much more available than 1394-based recorders.
I wish I spoke French but it was not meant to be maybe not as good as Big-Red that is used for making 8K videos, with the small DVC cassette and it is a 90 you get 90 minutes or if you select a lower quality it longer REC/PLAY.
