The Animation of Guilty Gear Xrd & Dragon Ball FighterZ 

Something that is 100% possible can also be considered 0% possible AND INFINITY CRUSHES ZERO!!!!

@@m0ckyzo185 -Sol Ungaguy

Those Men: That Is The Way Sol & Baiken: *DID IT HAVE TO BE?!* "Later, ASUKA!" You *fu--

I imagine gameplay and story play a big part into keeping it that way. Remember Oro and his magically switching wrapped arm in Third Strike? The only way they can keep the arm and eye-patch consistent without breaking gameplay is to do what Tekken does and have Player 2 facing _away_ from the camera, but that brings its own issues.

it's a fighting game, so that small detail comes second to being able to see the character accurately and be able to tell what move they'll throw out next

@2d fighter fan How a channel that has 460k subs is considered nearly a million I'll never know

you should take a look at Guilty Gear Strive

Totally unexpected to see you here lol

What are you doinc here PD ?

People who call Anime cartoon 😐

Arcsys really caught lightning in a bottle with DBFZ. It captures the feeling of the anime better than any other video game anime adaptation.

The actual series that you remember, not how it was, anime of yore had really bad animation.

@@ShapeDoppelganger On the contrary, your average seasonal anime may look better now but i have watched DBZ recently and it actually looked way better than i remember. Hell, the shading, the consistency of the models and the lack of cgi made for quite a fresh experience.

Arcsys: this is to go even further beyond!

David Rigdon I think the Naruto Storm games do their fair share of greatness as well

That's actually a pretty funny problem when animating as you might want a rather quick motion, but don't know how the hell to NOT make it render the in between. Even when you speed it up there's still those rendered parts that maybe gets noticed maybe, so that's not enough.

Agan Mardrus I can totally hear Sol Badguy saying something like that since he works for Arc Sys

magnusm4 This is why Arc Sys are wizards

well said lol

Lmao

This is why strive's face animation during intros, outros and specials is so good. Eyes subtly change size back and forth, the only thing that moves cleanly is the mouth, that kind of thing

Man, you’re making me remember that old arcade/dc JJBA game, and that was awesome, so yes please.

I NEED IT.

Imagine Jump Force, but made by Arc Systems

Never I've wanted something so much until now

Mori sama already said they didn’t have plans to because there already was one a while back so it’s not likely but if because of their recent successes they get brought in to do it, it would be a holy day indeed.

The new GG looks fantastic.

@I Hate My Own Species. yes it is...

@Dave Except it is. Pokemon, Yugioh, Dragon Ball, and Naruto are literally everywhere. They're all anime. Sure, the entirety of anime might not be as mainstream as other shows, but anime is huge part of pop culture now. Everyone knows what Pokemon, Yugioh and Dragon Ball are. Less people know about Naruto, but still a vast majority. They don't have to know anything about it, just the basic premise. Even though they aren't the best animes, they're hella ingrained into our society now. You even hear about newer/more obscure anime all the time. Shows like Attack on Titan, Sword Art Online, Tokyo Ghoul, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure (Which is so close to just being mainstream at this point thanks to how memeable it has been) are things you hear about from time to time when they blow up. Thinking anime isn't mainstream is like thinking Game of Thrones, Harry Potter, and Lord of the Rings isn't mainstream. Everyone knows about them. It's mainstream bud

No, it has not released..

Yaeven released the trailer, I’m so very sorry for not specifying

That's not true. There's French Bread who made Under Night In-Birth.

@@geloXIII published by ArcSys. It's still their product. They just don't develop it.

@@runbaa9285 no. What I meant was that there are other companies who can rival their anime fighting games is French Bread. In fact, EXAMU the creators behind Arcana Hearts can also rival against Arc System Works. And ArcSys published their game as well.

@@geloXIII you can’t have competition if you buy the competition

@@momogasi7930 I mean, fair enough. Now with DNF Duel, they pretty much own the entire competition.

Lmao

for me aqua is perfect perfectly useless man love this character she is not like the annoying tsunderes out there. she is quite the opposite she does not hit you when you are minding your own business for no reason, she is hit when she mind her own business for obvious reasons

hossam hossam she’s the punching bag everyone loves to punch

@@samfeels5608 her imperfections are her greatest charms for imperfection is the closest to reality.

I think you mean yaku nai-sama

that would be awesome and not the shit they do now.

You can't really have a 3D stage fighter look as good as this because each frame needs to be curated, and animating 360 degrees of character movement just isn't possible, and that's with a fixed camera. A free camera would need a near infinite amount of custom frames. However, a fighter like tekken/budokai is doable

@@davidburke4101 Kill La Kill IF Heck, if that was to much trouble for them, they could have just have a 2d fighter like DBFZ

@@davidburke4101 Then just stop producing 3d arena fighters then

My Hero Academia needs an actual fighting game with this aesthetic. Not this One's Justice game that looks the same as tons of other shonen-based arena fighter cash grabs.

What’s even crazier is that ArcSys has become so good at this… they can literally develop *and* support numerous fighting games that *use* this style of animation! Incredibly easy in fact! Don’t believe me? Just a few years ago ArcSys published Granblue Fantasy Verses and we’re still putting out regular content updates for DragonBall FighterZ, while *also* working on Guilt Gear Strive and most likely Dungeon Fighter Tag as well!

15:39 What is the name of the game ?

@@yeniversiyon GranBlue Fantasy Versus.

I'm imagining a game where you play as a weeb who kills all the real girls and collects all the anime girls.

@@riftis2210 yes, ultimate weaboo simulator.

There’s a game than technically has that plot Old school game mascots facing polygonal invaders!

lemme guess, classic doomguy fights classic quake enemies like just the literal sprite of doomguy shooting 3d quake monsters

That actually sounds like it would make for a cool game. You play as a sprite and you have to fight against 3d objects.

They probably spent lots on audio, where others wouldn't. Back then quality was much better even though budgets were smaller. To be fair now-a-days you're forced to create easily watchable flat arcs with shitty stories horrible music and graphics (especially motion and environment) that look like some newbie attempted to carry himself through 15hour workdays...

@Pedro Silveira 60fps ? NO, 1fp30s. And this frame will mark history (and your lcd monitors, years later)

Alternatively. Nichijou "How much money and time can we spend to over-animate the absolute hell out of this joke?"

Marsupial Mole I remember... A fully animated nuclear explosion that cast a beam of light across the entire solar system... because a high school girl poked her finger with a mechanical pencil...

@@Erksah68 Can't tell if you are serious, lot's of recent anime have great animation, stories and music (music in particular, it's gotten ridicilously good and it's present in a large amount of shows) Again, can't tell if you are serious or somewhat delusional

its great but they can improve they have since granblue and strive, too bad strive is missing the likes of dizzy baiken and slayer

@@finnmarr-heenan2397 welp, Baiken was just announced

@@finnmarr-heenan2397 baiken is here.

@@finnmarr-heenan2397slayers here too now lol and I doubt dizzys gonna miss out

It's heartwarming this meant this much to you, brother! Glad we can all enjoy it.

Bro

@@revthescatman137 Bro

Bro....

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@ashy best comment

Computer: Am I a joke to you?

the fact that they worked so hard to break the animation and then adding motion blur in 3d is bonkers

More or less, which is rather fascinating. At some point I really, REALLY hope that capcom attempts this because their fighters have always felt a bit off with the full range of motion that they have. New players seems to enjoy it, but I always find that things are just off with how the game flows. It's like it takes too much time.

Which when I think about it, it's rather funny. Capcom first for the idea to move into full 3D/2.5D fighters from a ASW game. Battle Fantasia. Ono was taking inspiration from that which is ASW first attempt at a 2.5D Fighter, which they basically did everything.... Wrong. Want to know why BlazBlue rotoscope's.... Battle Fantasia is likely the answer to that question.

Arc: *ZA WARUDO TOKI WO TOMARE* *MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA*

I know right.

Totally! I've just really gotten into DBFZ properly lately, after first watching the video a year ago. Merits a great rewatch as I've just been loving how this game plays and how the characters operate.

I've watched the Sonic one way too many times despite it being a longer one, it's great background noise for stuff.

@@chargeheby882 I didn't know why the cutscenes looked _SO DAMN GOOD_ but I couldn't stop feeling that they suddenly just _became_ anime sometimes. Then when I learned that they were changing frame rates when it wouldn't impact gameplay, I just can't get over how simple, utterly brilliant, and perfectly effective it is.

@@PierceArner The frame rate thing is pretty obvious and while i think that is something that anime does i'm pretty sure things still look like anime without the limed frame rate given that still images can still look like anime. So i question how much making the apparent fps worse actually helps.

@@Mcpwnt It's the same reason why people thought that the 48fps Hobbit films had a "soap opera" look to them. The frame rates of media actually change a lot about how we interpret them visually. The change between the gameplay and into cutscenes Dragonball FighterZ actually feel like anime cutscenes even more _BECAUSE_ they drop to 24fps to match the way we're used to seeing the anime look.

@@PierceArner feeling isnt looking. It would also depend on a confusion between something being authentic and being good. Murder can be authentic.

@@Mcpwnt it _also_ *LOOKS* the same as the anime.

I mean, if you wanna be real all animation is just really complicated 2D.

It’s like Arc is using Jedi mind tricks on us

@@BlastoiseMaster syths

A R84. Siths

Oh come on it's Crystal clear FZ was 3D, from the intros of characters.

That definitely would fit in DBFZ lol

At least the "previously" could totally be done with some replay clips before online matches whenever you fight someone again in matchmaking.

That's just the DBFZ load times

And add 1,5 minute long opening and ending.

Asura's Wrath did that which tried very hard to be a playable anime

Oh worry not, there is a reason why Bandai went to them, specifically, for making Dragon Ball Fighters Z in to what it has is now.

Agreed. However, I also dig the aesthetics of Basara 3 and 4. It's true 3D but it looks more photorealistic-anime which blends in nicely. I think even DBZ would fit nicely with that game engine. Here's a sample from the PS3 (much weaker than a PS4 Pro or Samsung S10+): ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-q0OgjShqSW0.html#t=12m21s

Yeah, I remember commenting about just this thing on the 2d fighting game animation video! Really happy to see this finally out

next level bruh

They went beyond Ultra Instinct in the new Guilty Gear

From the trailer I got the impression they are actually giving up on the 2D look, or they got a freshman team with less understanding of 2D. Feels like they pushed limited frames even further, but also increased level of details too much and switched to lazy-ass 3D shading. The honored 2D anime look of characters is now ruined. Definitely looking forward for professional animator analysis though.

@@killymxi can't say it doesn't look amazing though.

The trailer is too short to be evaluated, we can only see new character designs and a nice stage. Other than that, it's still the Guilty Gear we have loved.

Mr Sack SNK should just hand over KoF to ArcSys. They could do wonders with the incredible roster of KoF and the animation of Guilty Gear.

Mr Sack I’d love to see NetherRealm team up with them to make a Mortal Kombat/Guilty Gear crossover

@@NoahDaArk nah mortal kombat doesn't have the right to cross over with a franchise as good as guilty gear

@kmden Rt a new jojo fighter is what we need for sure

@@velhomiguel KOF looks amazing though! It's Capcom that needs to hand over SF and MvC because they have effectively killed both

I'd say it wouldn't cost as much as cell animation, but it would be harder to animate in the same time.

Honestly such a good question. Been thinking about it for a while, and I’m starting to think that at the point where you could make 3dcg perfectly mimic 2dcg, it would take just as much work as 2dcg. Thus being a wash. I sure hope that’s not the case, though.

2d animation has way more options. Like deforming of the character when doing an action. 3d would be cool but harder to get thoose visuals i think it would be a combination of 3d and actual 2d animation

@@vasilecusarmale7322 yeah deformation and transitions are definitely harder in 3D

@@vasilecusarmale7322 watch honkai cutscenes it has 2.5 D animation

Most people can't put two and two together so don't expect common sense and research to go into peoples thoughts.

I wouldn't be surprised, though, if tools start being developed to automate a lot of these processes. When something makes money, people will always try to find a way to do the same thing but cheaper. I definitely foresee some period in the future where the market becomes saturated with pretty close recreations of this style, once the tools arrive to do it cheaply

SoupPlay 4 years?? I’ll admit I didn’t realize it was 3D in the trailer at first but the moment the camera pans around them, that’s obviously 3D

whats even more wonderful is that even once you've known that they're actually 3D, its very easy for your mind to keep on seeing it as '2D' afterwards still.

@@jelaninoel probably means 4 hours, rev 2 hasn't been out for 4 years lol

I watched a doccumentary on GG XRD making and it's jawdropping how they used the game engine plus chara modelling

@@raiga5-6-42 really? Do you mind putting the link of the documentary, if it's still available online?

om fond of both baiken walk cycles, foward is so cocky

15:39 What is the name of the game ?

@@yeniversiyon granblue fantasy versus

@@finnmarr-heenan2397 I miss the early-games’ baiken animation, where she looked almost feral. Before, she looked like she had rabies, now she’s just “big boob sword girl.”

Other than that, she's still useless LUL

"How to make animation look good when a stingy goddess is providing your budget."

By being imperfect

being useless is what makes aqua cute

Dream job

わかりやすいよね

Thanks, RU-vid, for PERFECTLY TRANSLATING THESE TO ENGLISH

Guilty Gear itself is great. Definitely my favorite fighting game of all time.

@@milkywayflea404 It's still a contender for best fighting game to me, though I still can't choose between GG and Tekken.

@@432pro I haven't played Tekken all that much tbh, could never seem to get the hang of the game. I do own it though, it's a good game, and I want to try to learn it.

silent hill

You see it on the coding side of things too. Modern methods are sloppy. Programmers don't need to care about the hardware limitations as we once did and the art of efficient elegant solutions is being lost.

I see, just like my grandma said, if you wanna cook fadt do it with gas, if you wanna cook delicious do it with charchoal, she is right after all, thos extra steps wotn fail you

It is an improvement to you. I prefer 3d perfection and smoothness.

@@jasonwaltman3566 On the other hand, without needing to care about nitty gritty have allowed more productive workflows, which in turn lower development time and makes ambitious projects more feasible to more people. I'd say that's pretty good trade off.

Eh... it's not a matter of "Japanese" or "Western" that made these games more well-known or not. The most popular fighting games have always been Japanese products (Street Fighter, Tekken, Smash Bros.) ArcSys, though pretty distinguished, still has a pretty niche market outside Japan.

The games you mentioned are popular for reasons that are completely unrelated to them being Japanese. For the most part. I guess what I wanted to say is that people don't really play (or care about) fighting games to begin with. (Compared to other genres, I mean.) Let alone very peculiar ones like Guilty Gear. Which is extremely Japanese in many of its aspects, and that may be unattractive to many people. If this was Mortal Kombat, way more people would be interested, I guarantee. Ideally if it wasn't a fighting game at all, just any popular, approachable genre. No matter the country of origin. I'm just bitter not as many people play fighting games as those games deserve.

@@_Adie Fighting games are pretty crappy now. I say this as someone who has played fighting games since super street fighter 2 was released in arcades. No story, no game modes, season passes...I will get SFV when the 10th season pass is on sale in 2025

@@Maxrepfitgm lol For someone who supposedly played the games since SFII, you should know better than that. Why would you need a story in a fighting game? I don't understand why lack of one is everybody's biggest complaint. What would you expect anyway, it's just people punching each other. At The core those games are made so you play them over and over and get better. It's the arcade game in its purest form. And hell - games like CS or League don't have stories, but nobody seems to mind. Even Overwatch didn't at the beginning, and I haven't seen any complaints about that. Besides - what the hell are you talking about? Literally every recent major fighting game has a story mode in one way or another. For whatever reason. With the modes I kinda agree. There are some things that have already been done, but for some reason aren't in every fighter. Proper tutorials, trials, command training (for 3D games), Xrd-style missions, DoA Quest, team fights survival, etc. There are ways to incorporate all of those into any game. But, on the other hand, they're far from being a priority (outside of tutorials and trials, I'd say). That doesn't mean games without those are bad, or lacking, though. Not to me, at least. As long as there's practice mode, online, and versus, that's pretty much all you need. And Season Passes... I don't see what's wrong with them. The game is being constantly updated, worked on, and supported. Because of that, people keep playing. Maybe even some new people join. Look at Tekken 7. The game is constantly growing. And that's wrong? It's definitely a better approach than releasing the same game again. Because back in the day that's all you got. If you got any updates at all. And if you want to complain they're not free - yeah, no shit, nothing is. If they were free they wouldn't exist. But at least you don't have to buy them to keep playing with others. Only thing you're not getting is the new characters. So if you're not interested in them, it's the perfect deal. Go on and compare SFII to any recent fighting game and tell me which one's worse. Which one has more content, which one has more story. It's not the games that got crappy. It's the people.

And everyone was losing their shit with Toy Story 4...

i hope they make a shonen jump game in this style, jump force looks good but its weird because of different art styles plus the 3d look

@@cryptocoin7098 true are a my hero game

I know you probably did it to troll people like me but I'm still fucking mad at you. 7/10

MoJo Claw 'bandai'

Sauce Man What?

@@ZealStarMedia is like asking why couldn't CDPR make Fallout 76 and Battlefield V

Electron Resonator Because they wouldn’t make the game any better?

Budget. Jump Force is a weak effort project... Just good enough to be speak off and get weak anime fan wet enough to pull the trigger...

Too bad the games dead now.

you can call it time but ultimately it is still more about budget... if they needed to draw more frames in a short amount of time, they would hire more animators.

@@BouncyAnimation Oh, budget definitely matters, particularly in games, where you're using software along with hardware, I'm not going to deny that, it's just everytime I hear someone say that animation in something is great, they usually go, "that's the episode with the most budget/where the animators actually tried," which is kind of doing the animators dirty by boiling their talents down to just money and not because of good scheduling/directionm

The reason is budget and the fact that many anime somehow are made weekly while it's still airing instead of getting the 12 episodes done beforehand so that there is no stress

I hope it still plays similarly....top level Guilty Gear is a thing of beauty, and I really don't want to see them dumb everything down the way they did between BBCF and BB tag

@@exquisitecorpse4917 BBTAG is a spin-off. The next real blazblue (if we ever get one) will be as complex as BBCF. And the next Guilty gear will be as hardcore as sign.

@@exquisitecorpse4917 The announcement Ishiwatari made on the GG site says they're taking the game apart and building something new from scratch using the pieces that made GG unique in the first place. Gotta say, I'm excited.

@@exquisitecorpse4917 It unfortunately looks like they're indulging the myth that simplifying the game will appeal to a wider audience, ArcSystems Works has at least been communicating though and I'm still hyped and hopeful for the game. And holy shit does it look beautiful.

Can you tell us about it?)

@@solidjb Sorry guys, can't tell anything about it :/

In any case good luck to you and the team!

Can you tell us the studio name? Even if you can't I wish you the best of luck!

Great fortune in your venture... BUT AS SOON AS YOU CAN SPAM ALL THE INFO ON YOU CAN

That Big Bang Kamehameha really distorts the model a whole lot. I never thought I'd see that kind of distortion in a 3D animation.

Reydriel Funny enough ppl have been joking around that GBV exists so that GG 2020 could look better

When the line, "I really hope to see more studios take a crack at this sort of thing in the future," my first reaction was, "so what's Dan's thoughts about Lethal League Blaze?"

@@TaroOmiya imo it's not rly the same. While yes, it uses a cel shaded look, it's not trying to look 2D the same way arc's games are. I was more referring to the game's strong pose & character design, and I love the game's aesthetic for feeling like a hidden gem of the GameCube era

Well yes, and also no. You can easily replicate the “stylistic look” of anime in a 3D engine, but that’s just one part of the puzzle. ArcSys literally forced the 3D engine to render everything like it was 2D: the animation is choppy, there are inconsistencies, and characters hold poses for long periods of time.

Yeah, it's not just that they made the character models look hand drawn, that's just basic cel-shading+following hand-drawn designs. The trick was to get them to *move* like hand-drawn characters. That's what this video was about. And, yes as Blender user, I'm already eager to try out a couple of these tricks.

Personally, I think a good start for this 2.5D style is to make detachable skeletons for the models. That way you only need to focus on certain layers of the pose at a time. It's like how I drew action poses with a mouse. I used a 3D software to pose ellipsoids to make the basic shapes of the different limbs, which helped millions, especially with drawing using a basic computer mouse.

On the backgrounds, I think that's because they are still trying to keep that Arcade feeling that they've had since the beginning.

Having 2D animators draw over the cel-shaded 3D to make corrections (and add smear-effects etc) and using shape-keys/sculpting tools to mess with the shapes are ways to add 2D level fluidity to 3D animation, while still being less work/money than pure 2D animation.

But.. but.. beastars

Everytime technology and stuff like this starts to appear, new and clever ways to make it easier to be done is created.

Foe Foe Nah, ArcSystemWorks.

No

Considering that the rights to both Dragon Ball and JoJo games currently belong to Bamco, it'd be possible. I mean, just imagine this scenario. Bamco: "Ey, ArcSys." ArcSys: "Yeah?" Bamco: "Remember when you developed Dragon Ball FighterZ and how it ended up being really damn good?" ArcSys: "Yeah?" Bamco: "Well, I wanted to ask if you'd like to do the same with another anime series that we have the rights to..." ArcSys: "Which one?" Bamco: "JoJo." ArcSys: Bamco: ArcSys: _immediately pulls out a shitton of paper and boots up the computer_ "Where do we start?"

Crimson Flame Wish that was true to bad Toshimichi Mori creator of BlazBlue went and destroyed my hope's for a JoJo fighter made by ArcSystemWorks by saying "No we won't do that because CyberConnect2 does that already" Which kills me because CyberConnect2 make shit games.

@@JoJoFan87 Fair point. But one can dream.