The Animators Who've Spent 40 Years on a Single Film 

The first paragraph remind me of Nord VPN man from Incognito

That static design on the merch is badass

stop advertising it as though it's all-in-one security, shill

This video shouldn't have taken 4 months, cut em down

@@CannabisReviewPDX Was the irony in that purposeful?

more like 1997 - 2000

A director's commentary of this film would be a full autobiography, periods of their lives marked by frames and scenes

lol

​@@Nojnojmore like the 90s and 2000s

You telling me their ghost will haunt a bunch of animators with over due projects once they die? Dope

There’s a movie similar to this idea called Synecdoche New York, it’s an interesting watch

They are not. The overcoat's story is completely different

@@klamerco not the movies themselves, I’m saying this commenters idea of “living your project” is how synecdoche ny plays out

I guess you could say the true overcoat was the friends we made along the way

what a nice touch

I appreciate this comment

I don't trust an artist who tells me they already know what they're gonna do, it means they have a limited source of ideas. You don't have one idea that you want to exploit, you don't have several ideas, either. You have an infinity of ideas. All along the work, new ideas come up, old ideas go down, which may go back up again. It's the work that guides you through which idea you can use. There is no way to know what you're actually gonna make, before it's finished.

My favorite comment.

We're really fortunate artists don't make useful things like bridges or communication networks

And his wife. Francesca is the literal artist who creates all this. Why is a woman always so easily forgotten…

"Find what you love and let it kill you." - Charles Bukowski

@@Ki_Thi the "women" doesn't ask for your pity

One must ACTUALLY imagine Sisyphus happy in this case!

It has been a while since I’ve had chills reading something. That joke did it.

That’s what imma tell my teacher for now on

That’s just dnd

It was both funny and kind of dark too, so very Russian

What does he mean by that ?

The more you sacrifice, the more you get. This is that principle taken to it's extreme. Same thing with James Hampton.

They’re firmly in the madness camp

doing something you enjoy with someone you love is madness? how are you going to spend 40 years? meaningful things like binging youtube and going to disneyland?

@@dustinirwin1 You are a fool to think he disrespects them. Men are made in part with madness, and those that embrace that madness may do incredible things.

@@Duplicitousthoughtformentity ugh stop fetishizing madness. this couple has a pet project they dedicate a big part of their life to. it's rather normal. i do the same. don't you? it's neither genius nor madness. it's well-centered humanity.

I wish Crimean Tatars wouldn't suffer when their homes were taken away and relatives "disappeared" by russian invaders, but the Norstein said he "categorically supports" the occupation of Crimea and invasion of Ukraine so I WISH he would actually suffer instead of being a talentless fool westerners are so fascinated with because "russia mysterious".

thank you for this comment it brought me a lot of emotion, the small details really are everything and time is the villain here, it's all so complicated

Because you can sense there’s mental illness going on here. Folie a deux often ends in murder suicide. In their case the self destruction of their work.

At some point he says that when he makes a discovery or finds something in the process of making the film, he also goes backwards modifing the parts that he has already done to adapt them to the new way found. So somehow he is destroying the film already while making it.

master and margarita

@@latorrefazionemusicanimation of Theseus

@@Beuwen_The_Dragon my favorite paradox! It's a great comment on this movie!

Or Half Life 3.

Rest in peace Kentaro Miura

@@A_RU-vid_Commenter i mean hl3 will probably happen

Sleep well Miura

me waiting for both of them …

All I see is beauty. Funny how subjective art is.

Terrifyingly beautiful? Beautifully terrifying?

@@pronoobie5780 Yes. ☝️

I feel like some one out there will still edit thier work and make it better. Maybe improve the films fluidity or resolution. What ever it is that they are trying to achieve will be monumental

@@abstract0407 Sometimes more fluidity doesn’t make the film better, just different. Animation is tricky, what some consider better could be detracting from the creators vision. So any enhancements have to be carefully thought out if the creators are no longer with us.

wait, you guys have “goodnight, kids” too?? i’m from russia, i never thought this program existed anywhere else! makes sense given our history together, but still, so cool to find out. i wonder if we have the same characters on the show too!

@@yunyunid981 there are different series and short films, so different characters, but for sure we have a lot of them in common

When lithuania was in the USSR it had a goodnight kids program too!

Yeah things tend to get shared when one country keeps invading the others, I'm sure in 10 or 20 years people will be saying the same thing in Ukraine.. "oh isn't that interesting, we share the same TV shows as Russia, what luck"

It is perfection..

Have you watched the "Treasure Island"? The original subbed version (can be seen on RU-vid), not the export one, which is heavily downgraded. It's not as "artsy", more on a fun side, but the animation is just gorgeous.

@@InsidiousOne Tresure Island is by Kyivnaukfilm, the same Ukrainian studio did a whole series of Cossacks cartoons. They were really good! If you want to help preserving, lobby it! We were urging Criterion to register some of Ukrainian cinema from the era from Dovzhenko studio, like Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors, but they absolutely refuse to acknowledge us or answer to comments. Odesa movie studio was just hit with Iranian drone attack yesterday. Several museums bombed, one flooded, others robbed by russians. Preservation of Ukrainian cultural legacy is very important!

@@KasumiRINA it's not only ukrainian

Yeah they're in their 80s & probably not even halfway done. Unfortunately the chances are increasingly slim that it'll ever release. Especially because theyre old which will make the more eccentric issues worse

@@frankmarano1118 One can hope the half produced film is auctioned off to some collector in the future who shows it to the world. I imagine, if anyone decides to pick up where this couple left off, it would likely be a slap in the face to the couple and their work to do the remaining part(s) at a pace any faster than they did. That being said, l wouldn't put it past future humans to use the Blender of the time and finish it themselves over the course of a Red Bull just as a quick fan-fiction side project.

I would be shocked if Criterion or Kino or some other art film restoration and distribution company didn't release a cut of the film, no matter how unfinished, after these two die. Some of the greatest artworks in history were never truly "finished". _The Trial_ by Franz Kafka. Mozart's _Requiem._ The poems of Hoelderlin and Mallarme's _Tomb for Anatole._ In animation, _The Thief and the Cobbler_ and _The King and the Mockingbird_ are two that have developed devoted followings in the years since their noncompletion. We can only hope _The Overcoat_ will join this canon of fragments.

I SO MUCH want to see “ The OverCoat “ !! They should release what they have , like a 1st half with “ To Be Continued / More To Come “ and then still release thee full version if we get that opportunity ever @ least they can get rich from some great art and not have any funding issues if they even just drop 1st half. Anyone who knows anything about this work of art , as well as their plight , we will all wary to see it. I think Most of Us would as well like to own even a portion of this Masterpiece still in progress. They could @ least get rid of any financial stress and be able to continue as they wish If they produce & publish just a portion of what they have. I mean 40 Years …. Almost every Human on earth will be intrigued , especially if it’s advertised right. They’ll make a lot of $ while still stay true to their craft & their pure artistic selves.

@@adraedin 💯 All that ☝️

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@@JorgetePanete Wow, you've contributed so much.

To be honest the footage made of the overcoat sucks. I get it's taken years and years but it's all so bloody dark you can't see a thing. A lack of colour, lack of a script and lack of any decent lighting make it look shit

​@@graceygal2664You can have an opinion.

@@graceygal2664 you certainly have one of the opinions of all time

I think, Shojo Tsubaki has similar story of one-man-made animation, except voice actors.

As an Isekai it would probably be titled "I Cheated With My Sister's Husband, So What? Let's aim to be the biggest!"

@@Problematist or from the dude's perspective... "I Hanged Myself After Getting Seduced by my Wife's Sister and Now I'm the Demon Lord's Reincarnation in Another World!?"

That’s what happened to my mom. RIP aunt Linda

oh, and dont forget her "There once lived a mother who loved her children, untill they moved back in"

"There Once Lived a Girl Who **spoiler alert** Seduced Her Sister's Husband and He Hanged Himself"

Writing is easy, just sit at a desk and bleed onto the paper 🤣

It’s so hard to just commit, draw the line and say “done”. And then no one seems to know the weight of the failures, the amount of work put in just to get one thing right. A million to one, and it seems that hardly anyone even wants to notice the one.

At some point such lengthy work of an artist/s becomes the life of an artist/s. Indistinguishable. It is soul transfer.

i definitely shed a few watching this, it is soo sad what they have been put through. Let them create their hearts desire, I will never understand censorship. Its soo sad.

Well said

I got into the biz right when Flash took over. I learned to animate on paper and have always missed that tactile feeling and superior look it achieves.

@@Captain_MonsterFart I hear ya. It's just not the same. I was able to work using paper and pencils for three years, then everything switched to Flash. I moved to L.A. and tried for work but everything was switching to 3D computer animation. I moved back East and worked on a show in Flash for two months then quit because I hated it so much. I haven't worked in animation since. Studios like Aardman and LAIKA have tried switching to 3D computer animation, then moved back to real materials like clay and plasicine because it's just not the same result any other way.

@@emmagrove6491 Nowadays lego stop motion animators on youtube are switching to animating legos in 3D which makes no sense. Like, legos exist in real life, use them!

_"As a traditional animator who refuses to give up her paper and pencils ..., I found this fascinating"_ - meet Julian Antoniszczak (aka Julian Antonisz), who made his films "non-camera", by drawing individual stills by hand directly on a film. His best known piece is "Jak działa jamniczek" (How a Little Dachshund works"), made in 1971 kinda nonsensical (just like all his works) animated movie, or even just surreal - and narrated (for even more grotesque effect) by some old country lady, a simple(ton) woman who's read the narrative from a written script without understanding much of it - and at any rate many of those words/ terms are child-prattle like, "invented" and quite nonsensical yet amusing. So, without further ado, here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-r16GL3N4PdM.html Should you be interested I may attempt, or "try my best" to translate the "story" but getting it accurately translated is going to be a "mission nigh impossible"... ;-)

This though

Yes

There will be, I just hope it's left "as created", not "finished", "reimagined" or "improved". Hell. it could be presented with this video as preface. So that the impact of the work, however much actually gets finished, will be better understood. Because by now, this work is only peripherally related to, or constrained by, the source story "The Overcoat".

@@Trollificusv2 100% agree.

@@Trollificusv2 Makes you appreciate the 4 or 5 different versions you can find of the movie Bladerunner, or the 3 version of Close Encounters of the Third Kind. Some Dvds release different cuts of things as either separate units for purchase, on the same disk at the start menu, or in the special features. So, hopefully they will see a release of previous cuts of their film and an introduction to their learned new technique that made them go back and change it all over again.

Hey Jon, nice seeing you here.

We finally got to see Salvador Dali's _Destino,_ so I have hope we'll see this, too. Even if they never finish, someone will take charge and make sure it's released to the public.

They're obviously insane.

@@justcommenting4981 nah its more that they get so focused on details, and once perfection sets in it can easily overturn their lives. and so many artists have ended up in that trap. hell even the video game industry experiences this. one of the most famous ones is duke nukem forever which was plagued with this, because the original creator basically scrapped the game and started all over again multiple times. it all ended when they ran out of money and someone else bought the rights to the ip

@@luclin92 yea, that's being insane.

@@justcommenting4981 Then send me to an asylum because self-sabotage and the search for wellness is consuming my life

@@jamm6_514 an asylum just keeps you from bothering others not paid to deal with it. Being crazy isn't a crime.

gets* its*

Fuck, this hits home hard.

this description of me is both comforting and haunting as i imagine what could have been while ignoring what is. a great life that hates himself for not having a great life

Nailed it.

@@IsoYear I call it the "Disney Effect". You give a child a simple, repeating pattern to "success", or "happily ever after". The child grows, and realizes the actual complexities of life and human relationships, and it starts this sort of dissonance between reality and expectation that we can never seem to reconcile.

Couldn't have said it better out of my mind

She just described it.

My bad, read it as "truly indescribible" and thought you were being silly, while it was me who was being silly

Carai

carai

carai

the curriculum hadn't caught up with the end of the cold war yet, probably

Because why would you reference garbage tequnique that was forced to grow because of the cesspool it was crafted in? That's like praising the flowers in Cherynobyl for developing radiation resistance because they were forced to grow in an exclusion zone

Before watching I 1000% thought this would be about that!

lol better hope i don’t see you out

Or you are done

You’re the one who made fun of my little sister for having autism under that NELK video.

@@tooruoikawa8985 same!

First

Is it really self sabotage when you are aware of your intentions? They do this out of their passion despite everything, not for others.

Right. I hate finals trump but still voted for him because of how the dems are against free speech and censorship.

@@sirlimen333 numerous studios/creatives offered to fund production - and they said no. Talk about punching a gift horse in the mouth. Also If a piece of art is destroying your relationships; it’s probably worth reconsidering how you make it.

You think republicans want to protect your free speech? Uhhhh interesting opinion

Bro… you’re literally 12

Bruh… I’m 26

@@DanielSanchez-ul7ve you’re literally 27 lol.

@@paulwoodford1984 Bruh... he's 27 and 4 months

Hello bro, how were you able to overcome this issue, I’m 25 and i have this problem

That’s true I’m impressed how she actually manages this.

@@fidelio9301 4 months seems like a reasonable amount of time to make this video

Amen

@@gandhitheholeresizer8329 For sure but I just meant I agree with the sentiment of how she manages to find topics we haven’t heard much about. It’s cool.

Other than this and the Down the Rabbit Hole series, I don't know of anything else of such quality.. But I'm looking if anyone has channel suggestions!

Did you draw your pfp? If yes, where can I find more. And if no, who did?

My uncle has been writing a history book for nearly 30 years. Part of me thinks he doesn't want to stop as be wont know what to do with himself. Its became the only life he knows. I get the feeling the two discussed are in a similar mindset.

this is just a hot take, but you could say they've become incredibly self-indulgent. deadlines help focus action. without any real time constraints, they've fallen victim to parkinson's law, where the work expands to fill the time allotted. this could be their escape from all the trauma they likely experienced growing up in soviet russia

@@Ten_Thousand_Locusts It's character from the comic book series 'Saga'. The comic has been ongoing since 2012, there are 54 issues as of now, about 9 volumes and more coming in January 2022. It's a bit of a passion project from the creator, with only 2 people working on it. I'd recommend the series to anyone looking into reading comic books

I'm in this boat right now, and I'm trying to active fight it.

I know this doesn’t help much now, but the director’s cut was streaming on Mubi last Christmas. If I were you, I’d keep an eye on that and possibly the Criterion Channel, as I think they overlap in programming a bit.

Fully full on captivating

The hedgefog in the hog

Can confirm from Ukraine, one of the classics still

oh damn i thought it was only in latvia, thats awesome

does everyone also go there to smoke weed in yalls countries

@@katekursive1370 that's very interesting to know, thank you for chiming in anyone from Russia or Ukraine

I thought the same thing immediately. The very unique art style of Darkwood makes a lot more sense when you see the Soviet animation style of the 20th century.

I've been following it since around 2002/2003 lol, i know it won't be finished, i hope that at least when he dies they release everything he had done, probably 1/3 to half movie.

That's sad

"The Overcoat" does seem to have commonalities with such one-of-a-kind things, or Henry Dargers 15,000 page opus. Their uniqueness falls outside art theory. Indeed, it falls outside the judgement of "normal" artists and critics altogether. And I LOVE that sort of stuff!!

Ironic surnames be like

...................................Yea, no, I'll bite ..... Richard Dadd killed his dad..................? Okay, life

He killed his father, but not murdered him. Because he was too crazy to be competent mentally. Murder implies malicious intent by a competent mind.

@@animula6908 Alright. I'll give you that. I suppose it was all the same to his father though

I disagree that they are “heroes”. That is a bit much. If they actually produced something it would be different.

I imagine we'll only get to see what's done when one or both of them die as morbid as that sounds

@@RisingRevengeance as sad as it sounds, you might be right. But hopefully they're able to finish it before that.

@@schnauzer360 they aren't getting any younger.

If they don't end up finishing the film it would probably be better that it remain unseen.

@@calicojakk9974 my morbid curiosity and wanton desire to appreciate in it's state the masterpiece of this duo says otherwise.

dude...

Check out the works of Starewitch too, if you don't know him.

That’s beautiful

Taking a guess, I think they'd say that the "doing of it" is the art, the final product is just a result. Like, the act of painting is the "art", not the finished piece. The playing of the music is the "art", not the recording of it. Needless to say, this cannot be a popular art school view, because it renders artistic hierarchies irrelevant.

I think making art for oneself's sake is not really antithetical to art, since theres plenty of people who draw/paint/doodle/play music for themselves and arent really interested in putting it out there, but I think it defintely seems antithetical to filmmaking

@@Trollificusv2 That's cool. I wish I could adopt that mentality, but it's too foreign. I'm a self-taught independent artist, but I only care for the final product. Everything else feels like a barrier between my idea and it's realization When I leave something I was passionate about creating unfinished, it feels like I've achieved nothing, so of course I am dissatisfied with a lot of the work I've done and that sucks

@@Sergio-nb4hj , There's a saying that I hope will help with your situation (it did for me). It goes: "art is never finished, only abandoned".

It looks like somwhere along the way they just lost track of what they want and just gave up to habit and old age.

It is easy for a non-animator to write these kind of psychological analysis. But to me it is just a simple logistical and practical issue. 1) They are not funded after the first 5 years(81-86). Than they found themselves in a huge uncertain regime change. 2) Over the course of production, the technology drastically changed. The lightbulbs, films, acecates, lenses start to become novelty items in 90's with the computer technology. Which is the biggest problem, keeping the consistency with the old footage. 3) The animation process needed several people for a good amount of time, in an intimate manner, working tediously side by side. Which I guess was not possible with the lack of funding, and lack of right person.( Imagine waiting for the director to say you something to do for an hour, and he isn't, because he is trying to figure the next step in his mind, while annoyed with your impatient looks. This non streamlined / non commercial animation process is very hard to hire extra workers. 4) The level of animation is just incredible, not suited for such a long film. If we look how many people work for a standart 3d computer full lenght animation, it is like 50 people working for a year. If two people were to do it, it would take 25 years... 5) Moving to a foreign country to finish the film would be a nightmare. Because it is not like grabbing a laptop but grabbing a whole flat, with several 3d sets, hundreds of drawers of puppets, a arcaic multiplane setup, lightbulbs, cameras, notes, insprational books, drawings etc. So my verdict is that, they reached an artistic level so great that it would be a crime to finish the film under the wrong circumstances. And the right circumstances didn't come together enough.

@@dikenlikalp bulshit

@@democratictotalitariansoci1462 Let me understand. You watched this video a month ago, and made comments like " their dedicated work is some 144p clips of crap.." "dedication to crap doesnt make it great.." And you came to the same video which you hated and wrote several "bullshit" comments. Really interesting.

a lot of artists who run multi-year projects are scared to finish them, because their lives and identity become so intertwined with it that finishing the project can feel like a temporary loss of self, in a way. but yes, i agree, i don't think it'll ever be finished and i don't think they ever want to finish it, and i think there's beauty in that too. i just hope the unfinished work will be released some day before or after their passing.

I actually recently began wondering if this animation style is possibly the thing that could make a great adaptation of berserk happen. I think it would allow there to be more of a focus on making a handful of frames, and meticulously rendering them out before animating them all as a whole… honestly I think it would give Berserk the dark fairytale vibe it’s always deserved, and the fact that the last adaptation there EVER was of it before Miura died was the 2016-2017 adaptation…. Fucks with me… I really think this is possible

Miura was also the first person to come to mind

I'm not sure about Miura but mangaka usually have assistants, he himself started his career as assistant of Tetsuo Hara, the creator of Kenshiro.

@@souljastation5463 He has an assistant but the artwork is 100% Miura only. I think he stated in an interview that he only lets his assistants fix mistakes and inconsistencies but that’s it.

@@ayejay8847 mangaka usually have multiple assistants, if he only had one I get why it took so long to publish a new volume.

An official boy in the wild

Atrocity Guide on the official podcast when

Your mother

If this comment were a mine craft block, it'd be planks. I'm stiff as a board thinking that you'd get Atrocity Guide on the podcast.

By-gawd JR its one uh them bois!

I agree. Art is incredibly important, but so is enjoying life

I’m figuring that’s why it’s being covered on a channel with the name Atrocity Guide. As an artist myself, I sympathize with wanting to capture as much of your vision as possible, but it can become dangerous if you don’t exercise boundaries with your work.

@@ArekusaSan I don't think I would even want to spend so much on a production, even if its my own. Id get bored and I would just want to be able to make as much shit as I can and improve gradually. Not devote my whole life for chasing perfection and getting only one piece done in my fucking lifetime.

This film isn't for you and I to consume, it's a film for them to enjoy working on. Doing something together with your soul mate is one of the best things one can do with their time. Sometimes stressful, sometimes fun, as with any meaningful relationship.

@@pinetreeYT I think you are missing the point here

Coraline is way better

I think Richard would have kept working on the Thief and the Cobbler another couple decades if it wasn't taken from him.

i was searching for this comment

Ive never seen anything like it

Keith hearings unfinished work is finished though. In the sense that is intended imagine and symbology he wanted to capture. This... this is something else

Kentaro Miura

Same

Cue footage of SecundusRomanus waking up his wife at 4 in the morning to watch a new Atrocity Guide video

I'm sure the AI will appreciate your loyalty

Mad Dog already came out tho

@@Otra_Chica_de_Internet only at a few film festivals

@@vampire_juicebox it still came out.

@@justas423 I didn't say it didn't come out

Have seen mad god, you can definitely tells there’s parts they winged/changed the idea for the sake of practicality but there’s basically nothing else like it in cinema. It’s properly grotesque. Fetid, even.

@Brandon Knight idk, I saw a couple of videos today and subscribed, seemed an ok channel to me

@Brandon Knight what's wrong with Tom Scott?

@Brandon Knight nigga what

Yeah, right, that's surprising. In case the author will read this branch of comments - i can help with russian words and surnames emphasises and pronunciation in future - if needed, of course. Many content creators struggle with foreign names :) best wishes to Atrocity Guide, though.

Stop speaking gibberish

In a way it could probably never live up to the amount of work they’re putting into it in terms of getting what they’d want response wise from it, so maybe it’s good they just continue to get enjoyment out of perfecting it rather than expecting any reaction to it as it’s their life’s works

Soviet animation (and early russian) is a gold mine - you should look into it. There’s a lot of great masters: Norshtein, Khitruk, Tatarsky, Atamanov, Ivanov-Vano, Kovolev, Aldashin, Cherkassky and many more. Their animation is passionate, deep, well structured and sometimes with great sense of humor.

This is my 2nd watch too!

You realize you are talking to a computer?

I personally have no interest in art, but yeah - the next thing I knew, 45 mins had gone by

@@aliveandwellinisrael2507 same my dude, i was just lighting my joint and now 45 minutes later i'm high As a kite and this was sooo good to watch. Amazing video

I watched other youtube videos and I wanted to sleep despite being short and 15min the longest. Then Im surprised that I still have energy to finish this video without feeling sleepy given the monotonic voice. I conclude its all about the interest and this video is full in quality

You do realize you are watching computer-generated content?

@@eiffe wtf

Which is itself a paraphrase of what Patton said.

Underrated movie. More people need to go back and watch that movie. So many people haven’t even seen it and they break it all down right there. Like WAKE UP PEOPLE ! MSM is Propaganda BS

@@briggy4359 Yeah, though his wasn't as succinct. Still good though and I love the phrase "violently executed."

What's it called?

@@ratedr7845 From the Roosterteeth web series "Red vs. Blue"

The punishments *are the terrors*...need we say it...