Here in France, even if we know Anne as a prominent modern lesbian, we still fondly remember her as one of the first climber of the mighty Vignemale. Near the mountain and the Ossoue Glacier, lying on the French/Spain border, and overlooking the path she took to climb up the mountain, there's now a famous pass called "Lady Lister pass". Bravo miss lister!
I like your statement, but I don't think you needed to preface it with, "I'm not a lesbian." Just because you're inspired by a woman who was a lesbian doesn't automatically mean people will think you are a lesbian as well.
to me she was a user that looked down on everyone and had no idea of humanity , really it was ok to do the things she did ? heartless is not strong , its just heartless , she was her fathers daughter in human and selfish , btw my daughter is gay and 2 of my sisters and they are strong , what they are not is users and cruel , i have no understanding of why this video was even made , she was a no one and to me any human that used people just for their wants , they deserve forgetting regardless of their sexuality
Jita'ame suluma being a lesbian now vs. then are very different. She could have been put to death for her sexual proclivities. Living under that kind of threat has a powerful effect on someone's character and attitude.
Jita'ame suluma I’ve watched some of the show and was surprised at how she is portrayed, which is exactly as you state. She comes across as a narcissist user, strong or not.
There's nothing wrong with her prefacing her comment by saying she's not a lesbian. The lesbianism of this video's subject is one of the main features of the profile. So it's totally understandable that the OP would state, "that's not something I have in common with this person, however....". It's nothing to be over-sensitive about. I really don't think the OP intended any disrespect, so there's no need to look for it.
This is amazing. I am 68 I came out at 28. And sadly it took me 2 marriages to men and 3 children(whom I love dearly) to realize, I have always been gay. I was never meant to be with a man.
to be fair she'd probably be outraged at the weakening of the aristocracy, disgusted by the mixing of different classes and ashamed that Shibden Hall is a folk history museum - after all she was an ardent 19th centurary Tory through and through unfortunately!
Thank you Helena Whitbread for your devotion & undeniable hard work in bringing the story of Anne Lister to life for us all & foretelling your story so beautifully.
Ditto. What amazing work to read through all her journals and uncover such a remarkable life story. I can't wait to watch the show. Just wish Ms. Whitbread was narrating it too.
That's so beautiful, being gay in Nigeria is a huge crime, just like Anne i have always loved women, am always fascinated by their beauty both body and soul and am in love with someone, we both planning to leave Nigeria to a better place. Tnx for the video.
@@frankpeter6851 Not yet, I am just finishing my Masters in Library Information Science and looking for work in a Queer archive like the one you mentioned. Most of the work I have done was in a vintage sci-fi collection.
@@alexjames2510 Hello! Thanks for asking! In America, Queer is used as an umbrella term for people who fall somewhere on the LGBTQIA spectrum. It was used as a slur to suggest that LGBTQ people were somehow abnormal or wrong for a long time and has since been reclaimed by the community. It's actually where the Q in LGBTQ comes from! It's funny that you assume that I am a lesbian, because I use the term Queer specifically because I am not a lesbian. It may benefit you to do a quick Google search before you comment next time, but I am glad to explain it to those who are curious :).
@@alexjames2510 Words gain different meanings, nuances, become part of different communities' lexicons. English is not a dead language, it is constantly growing and changing. And pretty much any dictionary today will give you both definitions.
As a film director I have worked on a wide range of heritage video projects over the years, and have to say that this was one of the most curious and insightful projects I have ever been asked to direct. I found Helena Whitbread to be an extremely knowledgeable person regarding the period, the person and the personality of Anne Lister. As Helena has that remarkable ability of being able to talk about Anne as if she were a living, close friend, Helena's intimate understanding is not surprising considering the time she has spent decrypting the diaries/journals and absorbing the information. I am very privileged to have worked on this film and truly delighted that so many have found it as fascinating, interesting and inspirational as I did when interviewing Helena Whitbread and being introduced to the remarkable Anne Lister.
The woman, Helena, who is narrating and decoding Anne’s diary is extremely intelligent and quite the expert on her topic. I’m very impressed by this little documentary. Anne was quite a woman!
Her "plain script" ( 5/6 of the 5 m words in 27 volumes ) was clean with informative contents . about town & country life , business , & travel . Her "crypt script" (1/6 of the 5 m words in 27 volumes ) was explicit ^ very "racy" .
Hats 🎩 off to Anne for keeping journals and Suranne ( Sir Anne 😉 ) is bloody fabulous in Gentleman Jack .... loving this history being brought to life 🌈
Thank you for this, utterly fascinating. Sexuality, however experienced between two human beings is as old as the earth itself. Women like Ann have lived in this world since it began, lesbianism like homosexuality has a rightful place in human experience, and must be respected and allowed its freedom.
I know right. The crypt hand is actually eaiser to read than the plain hand. Given how horrible her handwriting was I doubt she even needed a code because people wouldn't have been able to read it anyway.
I have just watched and listened to this fascinating story for the second time. The lady historian who was the narrator seems to me to be a natural story teller, I could have listened to her forever. Amazing historical research, this lady historian gave a truly knowledgeable insight into the life of a woman who dared to be different.
I completely agree - what a lovely, knowledgeable, non-judgemental, simpatico presenter Helena is. I never took my eyes off her. My only disappointment is how often she'd be talking about some emotional human interaction, and it would be illustrated by a photo of a house or a landscape, which utterly took the wind out of her narrational sails. This annoyed me so much that by about 16 minutes in I was ready to quit. I really think the director of this video missed very badly on that count. Luckily, Helena's warm voice and friendly demeanor got me through to the end of this otherwise excellent summary of a great lady's too-short life.
I was fortunate to tour Shibden Hall when someone who knew the house and the stories showed me secrets and hidden parts of the house. Seeing the door to the bedroom where Annes partner barricaded herself after Anne’s death, the axe marks where they broke through the heavy wooden door to take her away, so they could gain the house brought shivers to me and tears for her plight.
Thank you so much for all your hard work. I am a queer woman and it's simply wonderful to have evidence that women like me have existed and thrived, long long before my time. What a remarkable woman Anne was and what a remarkable woman Helen is for all her years of hard work x
There have always been women to whom the attraction to other women has been their natural inclination. Sadly, it’s only been in recent years that they were free to let the rest of the world know where their hearts lay.
Lesbian women = "perfect women." My much beloved lesbian maternal auntie, both before and after my mom's death had been and guess still is an incredible mum to me. Thank you, writers and researchers for publishing story of this great lady.
I never tire of hearing the stories from Anne Lister - I so wish the BBC had been willing to renew their contract to continue with Gentleman Jack - it's a crime that there are no more
Am I the only one sad because there's nothing much known about Ann Walker? :( I really wish we knew how her life was, what her feelings were, we know so little about her and yet I find her so intriguing and I'm so curious.
I am so excited to find this story. I have been watching “Gentleman Jack” and wanted to find out about the real Ann Lister. Thank you Helen for your research and bringing her story to light.
What a legend!! What a legacy! I am 49 and came out at 42. One disastrous marriage to a man and two children later I came out. I am happier than I have ever been. Inspirational vlog thank you so much xx
I love the narrator,s accent.I am originally from Yorkshire and have lived in Berlin since the mid 80,s....She speaks in what i called my mother,s "telephone voice".That is to say she articulates well on camera but I bet that her dialect is much broader in private...lolol
You must be one of the best if not the best narrators on you tube. Thank you for such an enjoyable journey through history . Lesbian or not this woman was a trail blazer!!! thank god for her courage. Respect.
A truly fascinating woman, coming from Halifax I feel so proud that she has been recognised as the first modern lesbian... what a legacy. It's very sad that she died so young. Thank you Helena Whitbread for all your hard work.
The historian, the lady who is narrating Anne's story is very smart and sweet. The way she's telling the story makes it even more captivating: a very lively account indeed!
"Intellectually hooked"-well I was hooked! Personally, I think you can make her a series. Well done. Well narrated! I'll look for more of you and Ann Lister-because thousands of words..means more. Thanks for a short n sweet totally interesting bit on an interesting person. I'll be on the look out for more!
This was a fascinating biography of someone whom I knew nothing about. The narration was excellent and the author’s research and scholarship were excellent. I so appreciate this video and to learn something entirely new to me.
I'm totally inspired by Anne Lister. I love her story and how she stood for what she believed in. An extremely strong and powerful woman. Suranne Jones is the perfect person for this role, and she plays the part superbly. I really am looking forward to series 2 of Gentleman Jack, and I hope they don't change anything in the way it is written or filmed. I love Suranne looking into the camera and talking, brings us viewers right there with her.
Fascinating, and wonderfully presented. A perfect and articulate presentation with the added bonus of the highly appropriate Yorkshire accent. Helena should be on the BBC.
I was unaware that Gentlemen Jack was about Anne Lister. And watching this documentary I thought this would be a interesting read. Turns out it's an interesting show. I binged watched season 1. Now I kind of wished I spread out watching the episodes. Only to have something to look forward to. There's few women whom got to live their lives as they wanted or could in those times. It took a very long time for women to be taken seriously and capable as any man.
This lady is amazing, she brings Anne to vibrant life. I’m full of admiration for all her hard work. What an academic. She can come to dinner at my house any time. 😊😊😊🌟🌟🌟👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
When she said ( and she died there, in September 1840 ) I just lost it and cried,.. 😣 I don’t know why I cry on a person that died 179 year ago, I feel like she’s a family,... I mean I just knew her a week ago, from “Rose and Rosie’s RU-vid channel”
Ann Mitchell I’ve seen it,..!! It was haaard waiting for the next episode, but the last episode was Great,..! Now we have to wait for the second season 🙂
When you're so addicted to this story but you can't tell anyone because your still hiding in your closet so you opt to watch and read anne lister's story. 😍😂🇵🇭
Ughh.... I can’t get enough of this story! I’m completely in love with the show, I read the companion book, I’m most of the way through one of Helena’s book. I want more! I read on Helena’s blog site that they’re working on publishing more of Anne’s diaries. I cannot wait!
She is inspirational to women, regardless of their sexuality. Doing and being and living not as a helpless damsel, but as a fearless human being despite what people sad. Kudos to her. Women as a whole can learn from her...
I am very grateful. As a lesbian born in the sixties it still is extremely hard for women to deal with their lives openly. Most cases of problems are politicians and silly religious beliefs that are people who take bits and pieces of the bible and think they have the right to judge others. When loving another human to me is a blessing. Anne Lister was awesome! I am glad that someone finally brought her to life. Thank you so much to this woman who has studied and revealed all that she was. So many suffer with situations that they cannot control like religion or absolute ignorance of women being equal. Its a wonderful thing you did for us by giving us the memories of this strong female. Thank you and Best wishes
Very much so ahead of her time! She would most likely be an activist for women's rights and LGBTQ equality today. I admire people in history who stood up.......even if they stood alone.
Maybe, but she was actually *against* women's suffrage in her time. She wasn't even in favour of universal male suffrage. I feel like she might have been in favour of the few female landowners (like her) having the vote because I can't imagine her being against *herself* having the right to vote but she was definitely not into the idea of poor people having the vote. She would try to convince her male land tenants to vote Tory during elections because she was extremely politically conservative for someone who was such a trail blazer in other ways.
I'm just fascinated by her as a person and bring a woman in that time. From watching Gentleman Jack she was a strong woman not ashame of who she was. She was very intelligent and all straits of a smart person. Guess she was unique in that era as even her dress method showed to hell with the world. She would be amaze and glad to see how much progress has been made today
Thank you for writing the book and telling the truth! I'm a 55 yr old lesbian that came out at age 19 in 1986... was super tough then and now having my doc office in a very homophobic area for 30 yrs, and dating a black woman where there are like 3 black people in our county! 2022 and women, black women and all lesbian women are still fighting for our rights.
Amazed to find that, not only did they use the old Shibden in the drama, but they used the interiors as well It's all on Google Earth in marvelous detail.
I love that this amazing woman is someone we can get to know. Thank you so much for decoding her journals! I'm so happy she wrote them - otherwise she would be lost to history. Now shes a damn icon!
Miss Anne Lister was certainly an ambitious “gentleman” of her times, so to speak, even to the point of pursuing a young heiress whom she would never looked at had the heiress been a poor woman. And she was quite a snob, which was also very common. Essentially every land owner was a snob; as they to be to get by in that day and age. That does not make Anne Lister any the less interesting. And her home is beautiful.
Fascinating - what a marvellous woman and what a perfect narrator! I’m enjoying the BBC drama ‘Gentleman Jack’. Anne Lister was not alone however, history seems to have forgotten the Ladies of Llangollen, who were celebrities in their own time, visited by many - look them up on Wiki. Maybe one day, their story will be more widely known and they will also be recognised for being ahead of their time.
Yes I bought a random book "The Ladies of Llangollen" years ago...it is a fascinating insight into a time gone by..I think their home is still there.I must read it again ..I think one escaped through her bedroom window to be with her lover and they set up home in Llangollen.
Excellent narration ,beautifully clear ,I love your interest in Anne Lister she is indeed intriguing,I have the same interest in Emily Bronte . thank you so much for the upload .
Thank you for sharing....I hope her journals get put into books that the public can read. Her complete books not just bits and pieces but her complete journals. This lady is a very fascinating lady, in fact with what little the media is giving us right now you can say she was way ahead of her time. Again, thank you very much for sharing
Two impressive women. HelenaWhitbread carefully shares knowledge to give some insight into the subject, and Anne Lister herself. What an excellent way to spend half an hour.
Amazing documentary to the series we have all watched recently. Anne was a pioneer! Risking her life and living the way she wanted to. Very inspiring! 🌈
Helena Whitbred is incredible! I feel so fortunate enough to live in a time, and place, where my sexuality has never truly been an issue. I think this is due to a combination of factors, with Helena's work being one of them (and now Sally Wainwright/Anne Choma/Suranne Jones, etc.). Please include Helena in the description of this wonderful video! :)
