The "Anti-Batman" Dilemma 

Man this is some good work. If you keep it like this I'm sure you'll find the right audience ! Love the vid ! Don't give up :)

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I thought it was funny

All good bro

EQ it in Audacity and re-upload. That was a nightmare.

He was raised by CATS?

​@@matthewschwartz6607well he was just raised by a tiger.

Midnighter is still my favorite.

That’s actually a different character than the DC Catman

Gail Simone wrote him very well in Secret Six.

Especially the Lincoln March version, I love the idea of him being the secret brother that Bruce doesn’t wanna accept.

@@jimbenzo- Does he still know Batman’s secret identity ?

​@@matthewschwartz6607yes

@@matthewschwartz6607 probably not it would be cool if he did

He really got nothing on nightowl

the best.

Yeah I’m surprised he didn’t bring him up

It’s funny we have all these red hood fans now when azrael was doing his schtick years before he was a thing

⁠@@billyboleson2830you mean azrael was emotionally hurt through Batman’s no-kill rule which lead to misunderstanding between him and bat,an?

Yes agreed 👍

Just Injustice Superman (as flawed he is) is the only way i can stand Superman.

@@Acacius1992 Go read Superman For All Seasons or All-Star Superman. I’m not a big Superman fan, but even I can tell that a lot of the time movies miss the point of him. Especially Snyder.

@@Acacius1992injustice superman isnt super badly written (besides the obvious caveat of behaving out of character), but also wtf superman slaps

Judge Death wore it best. To me, the design of TBWL is just, "We got Judge Death at home."

@@Acacius1992 There are a LOT better versions of a "Superman but evil." The Injustice Superman is the vastly inferior version of Lord Superman from Justice League Animated. The inspiration for the Injustice Superman is the Superman from, "What's So Funny about Truth, Justice, and the American Way?" which was later adapted into the animated movie "Superman vs the Elite." The story perfectly captures everything the modern "Superman but evil" fails to understand. Superman's behaviour is a choice so, when he behaves like a boy scout it's a conscious choice he's made, likewise, when the good guy turns bad it's a conscious choice as well of him choosing to embrace everything his powers can do. In the intro to the JLA episode where Lord Superman appears when he was just Superman his final words to Lex Luthor were, "I liked being a hero," and then he heat-visioned him to save the world from being nuked. That's a lot more chilling than Injustice Superman who did a murder in a state of grief. While Homelander does seem like the typical "Superman but evil" it's a subversion of expectations since he's "Trump but superpowers" and that's fucking scary.

Bane and hush hello there

Killer Moth is the goat

@@fatherpucci8170 who's more based kiteman or killer moth

@@geobeatle both

@@fatherpucci8170 goats don't fight 🐐🐐

Failsafe is more like amazo. Like he’s not an anti Batman as he doesn’t kill. And actually was built to work within the Batman framework I would replace him with zur

@@kaison12205 honestly agreed, maybe throw in anarky in there as well tbh. Or Azrael….. and David Cain/Orphan God the list just keeps getting bigger

Bizzaro Batman?! You fake fan! His name’s Batzarro. FAKER

@@billyboleson2830but Azarel did became Batman… once.

@@kaison12205he did kill Batman after Batman fell from space

There's room for both honestly

This is why rival characters are more popular then recolor villains

@@billyboleson2830 eh, venom is extremly well known. and he's basically a black spiderman with teeth.

​@@thephoenix4093 not really? It depends on the writer, but normally, Venom is literally the hatred and frustration Peter was feeling during his time with the symbiote. And when they fight, the dillema is that Peter gave up on all that power because it makes him less responsable (yea I said the thing)

@@mariogariazzo2024 normally, venom is just an angry bad spiderman. he's just a mirror.

Death stroke is anti Captain America if anything

I always considered Anarky to be the anti-Batman but less from personality and more based off their conditions. Anarky was born into a dysfunctional family with violence and crime being fairly commonplace. Batman’s solutions to crime (I’m generalizing here, I know this is different with every story) is more or less a band aid solution. He finds people doing crimes, then he stops them and locks them up. Anarky kind of realizes how pointless this is and seeks to combat the causes of crime (poverty, desperation, power, etc). Now, he’s incredibly radical in his approach and can sometimes miss the point but his existence kind of serves as a counter to Batman’s entire existence, he’s challenging Batman’s logic in a way that few other vilains can. Anyways, that’s my long winded explanation of how I few the sociology of a comic book world, hope you enjoyed.

He's not even consistently a Batman villain.

Actually bane ended up becoming Batman in a Arkham comic which was pretty dope to see

@@shadowclaw7210 thank you! You’d be surprised how many people think deathstroke is a peak human and not a superhuman it’s ridiculous. I remember back in the origins days when people would say that he’s an anti Batman a lot and like …. How? They pretty much have jack in common

So basically if we could find a way to write a character with these three facets we would have a true anti Batman, I will say that would be interesting.

i mean, part of the issue is. the reason batmans entire rogues gallery is as great as it is is that basically every big villain is an 'anti-batman' in this sense.

Almost every villain of Batman@@anonymousoff-brand7538

​@@anonymousoff-brand7538Uh, did you watch the whole video?

Killer moth is a completely different beast altogether

He was mentioned but red hood already killed him 😢

@@ulyssesveracruz8343 Yeah, I hate that

@@21eienni yeah me too its a shame because killer moth could work in the arkhamverse 😔

Isn’t he supposed to be Batgirl’s arch-enemy?

@@matthewschwartz6607 Some of Batgirls most notable stories feature him but that doesn't mean that he isn't still a member of Batman's rogues gallery.

NO!@@matthewschwartz6607

killer moth doesn't need to be this super-imposing ultimate threat, but if a guy's entire job is to protect criminals from batman he should be competent enough to win once in a while. even if he'd lose a straight fist-fight, his use of underhanded tactics batman avoids on principle (like guns) should give him enough of an edge to go toe-to-toe.

@@vinegarenthusiast7043 or he could just be really bad at his job because that would be way funnier.

You could definitely make a great story with Wrath if you change the costume to look more Batman-ish, and make it not Gordon that killed his parents. A random corrupt cop would work much better with the parallels between him and Bats.

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@@gimmeyourrights8292 oops It’s equilibrium

@@legogoka-boomstudio1838 Thanks.

Oooh hey I remember that story

Fr. The bass boost was way too much a headache while just saying the joke would've been hit and the same and would be just as if not funnier. Good stuff though especially moth edit

​@@mgreysandersloud=funny, duh ?

100% agree

The Batman Who Laughs is a perfect example of a great idea DC had, run into the ground due to DC having zero sense of self-control. Like the concept and execution of The Batman Who Laughs first appearance is great. Granted his final battle in The Metal series wasn't great but I would argue that the metal series as a whole didn't land great. Still DC knew they had a home run with this character, so if they used him sparingly he could become Batman's Darkside; but instead they milked the character concept to death and overused it to the point where comic fans rolled their eyes and visibly grew annoyed when they saw the character.

@@alexblake5369he was never a good idea

@@charlesman8722I agree. His origin story is contrived and is much more concerned with being “cool” and edgy than actually telling a compelling story about Batman descending into madness.

The Batman Who Tries To Hard isn't so much an anti-Batman as he is the meme that "Batman/Joker can beat anyone with prep time" given flesh

I think similar thing is currently happening with Miles Morales and Gwen as Ghost-Spider - too much, and too fast @@alexblake5369

Missed opportunity

¿ Calender man Catman Prometheus Socrpron Killer Moth Firefiy Azrael Red Lion Vulture Wildcat Midnighter Owlman Talon Bat Bizarro Ghost Space Ratman ?

As in the cartoon The Batman?

@@matthewschwartz6607 obviously.

you're like the first person here to actually talk about the gameplay so you have my respect for that LOL

@@TheBatspecter lmaoo I don't think it's below average but if you play these games on the regular that's my first tip, break their weapons, cause you ain't even doing instant takedowns. It's the first thing I ever upgrade on any of these games

Man-Bat was an anti-Batman

I didn't think the louder parts of the video would be as loud as they were by the time I uploaded, so that's on me. Loud parts like those won't be in future videos

Yeah I think about half naked Catman a lot. Thanks Gail.

Bane and Batman: traumatized as children and took that trauma to become gods among men, one using his abilities to help others the other using it for himself

Took me 3 months to correct a minor spelling mistake, nice.

Owl man? Didn't he got mad that the batman who laugh got all the spotlight and not him?

Yo wassup fellow Lego animator 💪🏼🗿

@@lppstudios3006 ayyyyy

@@captainmichaelstudios YOOO also they talked about my bro Prometheus 💪🏼🗿

@@lppstudios3006 catman and killer moth are my goats.

@@captainmichaelstudios FR

you're gonna love my next video then

Basically anti hero version of Azrael and David Cain/Orphan

@@dc7981 I agree with the Azeral comparison and David Cain to a degree. I say to a degree because although both Ghostmaker and David Cain tried to make the "perfect soldier" with kids. Ghostmaker never domestically physically abused his side kick Phantom 1 and wasn't cruel with training. However Ghostmaker did fail Phantom 1 because he adopted him and was emotionally distance and neglectful as a foster father. He gave him a mansion to live in but never built an actual bound with him because he only was him as a test to make a "better Robin" then Batman. Which obviously is a terrible mentality to have BUT thankfully future Ghostmaker learns to be more considerate and nice to people that he trains (like Clownhunter). Since he realizes being cold hearted isn't going to help teamwork. Unfortunately in the past Phantom 1 "dies" because they were after a villain, Phantom 1 goes off the plan and rushes in to get said villain. Then an explosion happens and he gets stuck under rubble and couldn't get out. So Ghostmaker leaves him to die in order save other people in danger infront of him. Sadly for Phantom 1 he never knew that, so he believes Ghostmaker abandoned him for no reason. Since this is a comic book and no one really stays dead, Phantom 1 makes it out alive and plans to get his revenge. Interestingly enough, when Ghostmaker finally gets to the villain he's more brutal with his killing, which means he was angry that Phantom 1 died. So in away he kinda does care??? But doesn't feel it or express it in a way we do!!! Also despite Ghostmaker's lack of empathy and morals, he's strongly against sexuality harming children. Since when he fought Slade he insulted him by mentioning how he only goes after children!!! Anyway I agree that Ghostmaker has some similarities with both characters BUT his personality is much more different then those characters!!! He's not always serious and can be a playful, sassy, witty, and charismatic asshole!!! Btw I don't know much about Azeral to make an analysis on why there similar or what's there differences. However I hope you enjoyed this long response!!!

The quiet mic is okay. One thing that drove me a bit... Batty was the clipping of the mic. I know you were trying to emphasize what you were saying but with the quiet mic and then suddenly clipping the audio, it didn't sound great. I would suggest that instead of yelling into the mic you just put a filter or something on it when you say "Bruce Wayne" or something like that. Good video, just that minor nitpick.

Kindly in future videos don't yell in the mic like that. I watch these type of videos while im trying to sleep so that wasn't so helpful and overall was a bit annoying

I’m probably gonna try and see what I can do about a volume warning at the start

Isn't that sort of the whole point of Earth-3? By that logic, the main Batman doesn't feel special when he lives in the same world as Superman & Wonder Woman

@@TheBatspecter Basically yeah, in my opinion Owlman doesn't feel unique in the same way that Catman and Killer Moth are. They actually exist in the same world as normal Batman so their comparison with him makes sense and actually succeed in portraying an "anti-Batman" or "Batman with a different facet". Owlman's entire reason for being evil is just because he's from a world where every hero is evil, and villainy is expected instead of being good. Don't get me wrong, he's a cool character and a good way to see a villainous Batman, but his world is so inherently different from Bruce's that I can't really count him as an anti-Batman. Maybe if he actually lived in a world similar to ours, where goodness is expected from people, yet he still chose to become the evil Owlman, then I would count him as a different facet of Batman

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He needs the gadgets to be Anti-Batman

@@GalazyProductions what no in terms of writing duh

this ^^

That’s the silver age not the golden age

he was the best!

I feel like actually officially taking over the mantle of Batman disqualifies you from being considered an anti-Batman.

@bibbyboxx2219 I feel like it only would if he never fought Bruce. He isn't just a guy who took over the cowl and then retired, Batman had to throw hands with him. I think if you qualify as a Batman villain and you are a dark reflection of Batman, that makes you an anti-batman. I understand where you're coming from, though.