@@theguyver4934 is that the Quranic definition of mushrik? I thought mushrik was someone who associated others with One GOD ! Anyways thanks for correcting me !
May God have mercy on Dr. Abu Zaid, he is a noble man and a true Muslim. Even if some disagree with his views, he remains a Muslim, but unfortunately the general climate in Egypt was very strict and controlled by fanatics, so they pursued him and abused him. Praise be to God, now Egypt is very divided after the revolution on June 30 and we expelled the gangs of political Islam.
Thank you professor Reynolds. I guess the fact that Nasr Abu Zaid delivered his rational interpretation of the Quran during a period when tensions between Sunna and Shia were escalating, and Al Azhar would have been less receptive to criticisms of hadĩth and the Quran.
Thank you very much for sharing. As an Arab, native, I couldn't find an impartial and concise assessment of what had transpired in the case of Abu Zayd. Interesting and sad--as Abu Zayd noticed--that Arab academia is intellectually intolerant now compared to a century ago (during Taha Hussein's time). This fact is worthy of research.
Hearing about this man for the first time. Didn't really get what the controversy was about though? I mean, who is reading the Quran without using their faculty of reason? Is it even possible to read and understand any text without using your faculty of reason? I don't understand what were the reactionaries so upset about.
It's hard for non-native English speakers to follow you, saying "AA" much, distracts us 🙂 Can you please check Dr. Jeffery Lang lecture (the purpose of life), he is very easy to follow by non-native English speakers and thank you very much.
Given enough time these apostate accusing Muslims would not leave an opposing view alive with how loosely they throw around accusations of apostasy. The Quran alludes to this when it says that in it (The Quran) are clear verses and ambiguous ones. The clear verses make up the canon while the ambiguous are purposely mistranslated by some for their own gain. The entirety of the Quran makes it clear that only Allah punishes disbelief and never are we allowed to punish someone for thought crimes or speaking freely yet most Muslims use one or two vague verses to justify killing others for simply having a difference of opinion. Apostasy laws are not derived from the Quran. They made their way into Islamic law through the many priest and rabbi converts who literally translated and inserted Old Testament apostasy laws into hadith during the times of the Umayyid and Abbasid dynasties. They should have been thrown away since they clearly contradict the Quran, but the rulers cherished them like the One Ring for it allowed them to easily with a simple accusation eliminate any opposition at the hands of an angry and eager mob.
J'ai lu de lui il y a longtemps "Critique du discours religieux", et je me suis toujours demandée pourquoi les islamologues occidentaux patentés ne favorisent pas la connaissance de ce genre d'approche, très intéressante et propre à déblayer les scories du discours religieux fondamentaliste.
The kuffar Deist acknowledge there's a God but are misguided because they subscribe to a cosmology that conflicts with the Quran and Sunna in details and thereby principles. This is the misguidance of the Mutazila, Modernists, and their likes who are more in love with their own minds than Allah and His Messenger. Therefore, they inadvertently make the scientists and philosophers equal to the Prophets and Messengers.
Thank you for this. This takfir was a shameful episode in the history of muslim academia. Thanks for reminding us. Similar to another commenter, maybe you could try and reduce then eliminate all the "umms" and "urrs". They really do distract. As an academic who communicates verbally, it's definitely something you can work on. It can be overcome, my friend, with effort and focus. Just leave pauses to start off with. Embrace the pause! There's even a dua in the Quran for fluency of speech which I'm sure you know about😊
This is out of desperation. This mentality doesn't hold a drop of water. Very limited that doesn't last long cannot disprove even himself and he came on this earth. Waste of time
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Dr. Nasr Abu Zaid did not apostatize. He said he had opinions that contradicted the prevailing trend, so those who criticized him were waiting for him at the time and brought him to an unjust trial in which an ignorant judge ruled. I followed the story before he was brought to trial by the Islamic fanatics.
I listened to the video but am unable to understand what the issue is. You spend most of the time, beating around the bush, without explaining the issue here.
How can people be so ignorant and say stuff like „abu zayd said strange stuff“ or „no way he understood the Quran“. Crazy crazy. Go on amd believe the mythology that gabriel dictated words to mohammed. Abu zayd used reason AND the quran to justify his stance that mohammed was inspired non-verbally: 53:4: „the quran is nothing more than a „wahy““. Wahy, according to zayd, was understood in the arab room as „non-verbal inspiration“. How is this a strange statemebt?? Also look at modern islamic scholarship who are super critical of the reliability of tafsir, sira, hadith. Who is the kafir (rejecting the truth) now? And again using reason: the claim that mohammed was dictated words is an incredibly huge claim. Seems unreasonable that someone (mohammed in the quran) would not „EXPLICITLY and CLEARLY“ mention this?? Very unlikely. The reason why people think mohammed was dictated by gabriel doesn‘t come from underdtanding the quran but from traditiom. I could go on and on. But in summary, there are various reasons to believe the quran wasn‘t dictated but it was rather non-verbal inspiration (wahy, 53:4)
You sound like a rational person. How can you get your head around 65,4 Iddah for those with no course, knowing there is only an iddah after consumation. Why would God make that legal?
Maybe because you are incorrect to assume 'iddah is only for discovery of pregnancy. There may well have been psychological and social benefits to a waiting period, to protect vulnerable women from men's advances. If it were just about pregnancy, why would widow's 'iddah be longer than divorcee's? Clearly more than just pregnancy being taken into account here.
@@ouessantpeaches6122 the quran says there is no iddah without consumation. 33, 49. Yes, there are other facits... but the problem is this halal by the words of the quran, hadith and tafsir. Every level of the deen, there are permissions. Ibn kathir 65,4. 🤮 So it is you who are incorrect by denying it.
@@HappyCamper84 yes that is right. Does that prove iddah is just about revealing pregnancy? No I don't think it does. There are other explanations. A marriage which has been consummated is a fuller form of marriage than a marriage that has not been. So it is understandable that iddah may apply to one and not the other simply on that basis, if it has additional purposes. I repeat: 1) the widows iddah is 4 months 10 days 2) The divorcee's iddah is 3 months. And as you have said 3) the unconsummated divorcee has no iddah. We can't explain the difference between 1 and 2 on the basis of pregnancy alone. We need a fuller explanation as there's more going on here. So it's fair to say it's pregnancy plus something else (social, psychological). So given that, your using 65:4, about amenstrual women having an iddah, is not a proof that this is not logical. It's just a proof that maybe you haven't seen the full picture.
Subhanallah as a traditional Muslim “apostate laws” was very rare in Islamic history this idea of calling everyone “apostate” is a very new phenomena. I would personally blame the Wahhabi/Salafi influence in the last 200 years 🤷🏾♂️
It's all to do with ignorance. I might be wrong but was it not in Egypt that some fanatics would bomb the church and some even undress an old woman in a christian crowd while there was tension between christians and muslims. Remember when khalif Umar(ra) conquered Jerusalem from the romans he wanted to pray so the governor said he could pray in the christian church but Umar (ra) refused for fear that the ummah might convert the church to a mosque. So he was emphasising the rights of the minorities under Islamic rule .Wonderful hiqma.
bart ehrman biblical scholar ' there are 50k biblical manuscripts no two alike. none of the gospels were written by any apostle ' yikes pastor Bosworth smith ' the quran is the only scripture preserved in its original language ' case closed. another islamaphobic talking point collapses
God is my Father and rabbi. My Hebrew name Jacova is the female form of Jacob. I was born March 11th in Bethlehem. God's first nine sentences to me were 8.4.2015 in the morning. Since then I have told and timestamped many prescient visions that came true. God's last sentence to me was four years ago after months. He said one sentence. " You are Princess Messenger of God. " Is God the liar or is Muhammad the liar?
@@jacovawernett3077 if you are to be believed give us the signs god gave you proving your prophethood. as he gave all true prophets. moses staff/snake . moses led the exodus thru Red Sea. Jesus raised lazaras from the dead [by leave of god]. Muhammad quran is the sign. a man living in 7th century could never have known. quran ' earth spherical moves in orbit. Big Bang of creation universe expanding man created in stages from the earth/evolution. noah floods regional [no pesky rapist fallen angels/nephilim]....knowing this and still turning away in disbelief puts you on par with the Israelites who after witnessing the sign of the exodus turned around and worshipped the golden calf before their robes had dried off ..... or the folks who watched Jesus raise the dead and then still turned away in disbelief oy vey. muslim 2002
@Kassalawy56789 you wake up a smell the coffee. Death to Israel is against Inshallah. God is my Father and rabbi. My Hebrew name Jacova is the female form of Jacob. ( I was born March 11th in Bethlehem) God spoke fifty sentences to me from above to my ear. His first nine sentences to me were 8.4.2015 in the morning. I was sitting in the grass drinking chai tea. Since then I have told people and timestamped many prescient visions that came true. 11.17.2015, Eve Beach, Waikiki early evening. I couldn't find a book reading so I sat under the stars alone. God asked me, What side of the blade are you on. I answered, The side of the righteous my words are my sword. He then showed me my ascension to Heaven. He said, Make Israel one. You are anchor. Note the noun Israel. It's a name and country. Jacob, the Jew aka Israel. His 11th son Joseph, the Jew saved Egypt. God's last sentence to me was four years ago after months. He said one sentence. " You are Princess Messenger of God " I'll teach it to you in Aramaic. Amira Malaka Elah. I recommend you read Siddartha and Matthew 9:27. 11.11.2015, Honolulu, Nimitz Highway, 18th floor. In the morning. God spoke one sentence to me from above after weeks. He said, You are rain. I walked out to the balcony, stretched my arms to the sky and said, "It's time for a rainbow. Immediately, a double rainbow appeared beside the building and reached out to the Pacific Ocean. A neighbor lady I didn't know asked, "How did you do that. I laughed and said, "I am not a solo act. God is not a solo act. No one is a solo act. P.S. my mother was an executive at Melitta Coffee. You have probably drank our coffee. A German company.
what is the point here, are you saying there are no apostasy in any religion at any time. people become apostate even in front of the prophets. many thinks that ALL Arabs are devout Muslims, in fact Arabs were amongst the first Christians.
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@@mohamad-alitrad2511 I don't think the probabilities work that way. You haven't properly represented the set of all possible outcomes and their respective probabilities of occurrence - known as probability distribution in mathematical lingo. And this set of all possible outcomes is almost impossible to determine due to all the infinitely many different attributes and a combination of them a possible God could take. Agnosticism then, is a way of saying, I don't know if a God exists or if it's at all possible to know if a God exists. Furthermore, if it does it could be any of those infinite possible ones. But your problem doesn't end just there, there is no logical contradiction in having multiple Gods, a hierarchy of Gods, a company of Gods and many more combinations that are beyond our imagination.
One of the apostates in the time of Muhammad was one of his own scribes, who realised that not all of the Qur'an has been revealed by Allah. The fact that there were, and are, apostates from Islam is a testimony to its many unfalsifiable (i.e. unverifiable) claims. Furthermore, that apostates of Islam face such persecutions is a testimony that Islam has not progressed from its 7th or 8th Century origins. Islam is not fit forthe (post-)modern world!
@@gavinjames1145 That man reverted to Islam and became a champion for it and fought for Islam against the Romans in the battle of the Masts. All religions got apostates, just after the exodus while Moses was still alive the Israelites worshiped the golden calf and were put to death for it.
@@faithfulsoldier519 Indeed according to Islamic traditions, Allah b. Sa`d b. Abi Sarh recanted his apostasy to save his own life: Uthman wanted him dead, but Muhammad gave him a chance to rejoin Islam. Unfortunately, critics of Islam conveniently forget that (ancient) Judaism also has the death penalty for apostasy. But that's probably because most Christians have never read the Hebrew Bible.
So apostacy law ? What is the problem He apostized not because he didnt belive in quran but because he belived himself to be a prophet lmao @@gavinjames1145
If he considered himself a Muslim without following both the Quran and the Hadith then I am sorry for him. He wasn’t. I don’t think he should even consider himself an apostate at this point. He didn’t actually study his stuff as prescribed to him in the Quran when Allah said follow your messengers, Hadith is even mentioned in the Quran when Allah said:”we revealed the Quran and the wisdom”, what did he think this wisdom was revealed to, to him?
We consider him an apostate for his strange interpretations but he considered himself a Muslim so not sure and believed in the Quran. He was a reciter and a hafiz but had no theological training nor any training in hadith or jurisprudence so when he made those bizarre statements many scholars before declaring him an apostate told him to sit down and study but he refused. Any person who refuses knowledge is insincere.
Aḥaadiiṯ are not knowledge but men's hearsays written down! It's a good thing he refused! No-one can decide whether a person who considers himself a Muslim as a non-Muslim!
Lol, so if someone dosnt want to study your sect material is insincere 😂 what a dumb argument, did u study Shia, sufi christian or hindu texts in detail? Thought so, you're insincere...
No one has right to expel any body from Islam, how would you know if some has the belief or not? Rest is just technical stuff, you can say this I can this? If it’s clear in the Quran then we can agree on a subject, if it’s not clear then god knows best, end of story
Thanks & God bless Dr Reynolds for this video.Can we buy his books in English and if there is a link you can provide.I wish you could do one on Dr Taha Hussain and preislamic poetry.
This is a channel to discuss scholarship regarding the Bible and the Quran. Don't bring those silly apologetic content over here. Show some respect towards people's faith and beliefs, even if you don't hold anything as sacred.
@@magnus8704 what made you think it wasn’t scholarly? The religion is built on a man who heard ringing bells as divine orders from Allah through Gabriel. The Bible is clear on what a false prophet is, and he was clearly the most obvious example.
How can u think that an Independent, absolute, eternal being (God) became human. This is irrational. It is not befitting to the majesty of God. Christianity is pagan
you try to come across as impartial and academic, yet where are your videos about christian scholar apostates? are you just a thinly veiled bible basher?
Gabriel is an undercover Christian apologist who is also a decent scholar, but he's different from the likes of some of the internet bozos like Wood. Gabriel is someone worth engaging with despite his attempts to undermine Islam. He seems like a decent dude - and doesn't use divisive, classless rhetoric. He is quite mindful of not coming across as a heavy handed oaf.
