The Army Sizes of Westeros (Stark, Lannister, Baratheon, Tyrell, Greyjoy, Arryn & Tully)

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Did you know in the books we actually know how large each of the armies belonging to the 7 Kingdoms are? This short uses evidence from A Game of Thrones, A Clash of Kings, A Storm of Swords, A Feast for Crows, A Dance with Dragons and The Winds of Winter.
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@HorusHeresist 11 месяцев назад

Tyrells in books: probably the richest and the biggest house with more then 100.000 men at service. Tyrells in Game of THrones series: we just keep like 1000 men in our castle, we have grandma, her son, two children and that's it.

@matthew3618 11 месяцев назад

We are Tyrells, we fight terribly because of our sigil

@verward 11 месяцев назад

That's not how a castle works. You can't keeps 1000s because you need to house and feed them and the whole of a castle is that you need few men to defend it for a long time. I have more problem with the show pretending castles aren't really a significant thing.

@BanditoBurrito 11 месяцев назад

@@verward He's implying there should have been a massive field battle, and a brutally long siege with the amount of numbers in play here. But they tried to do their own thing because the fans wanted more seasons, so they made up some trash TV and plots that were forced and on x5 speed. Not stuffing 100,000 men in one castle. Obviously.

@antiochus87 11 месяцев назад

Felt more like there was just the granny and her maid in the castle.

@HorusHeresist 11 месяцев назад

@@verward I mean what they did n Winterfell, for instance. Tyrells had much more men then what Starks gathered in 8 season, but at Highgarden they only showed castle garrison and no Tyrell army. If they sent absolutely all their armies just to lay siege to the capital, then this is terribly stupid.

@kieranmaciel6195 9 месяцев назад

“The Stormlands are the most ravaged and depleted after the war.” *Riverlands has left the chat*

@coldhands2802 7 месяцев назад

Yeah.. this is why I came to the comments. I'm pretty sure not a single battle was fought in the storm lands lol

@astrokiddzayvevo8439 7 месяцев назад

Everybody with Stannis died reply army fell apart

@DennisNoelBarroga 7 месяцев назад

You might be right but after the WOFK, Stormlands had no ruler because all the Baratheons and almost all Robert's bastards were killed.

@killcomis 6 месяцев назад

@@coldhands2802yeah but a good amount of the stormlords and their men were killed at the defeat of kings landing

@yuzuftazimo2157 6 месяцев назад

@@killcomis and if it follows medieval army composition, most of it would be peasants which left their fields undermanned not to mention lack of soldiers/authority will lead to stability issues

@azmal6158 Год назад

80,000 men and Jaime just walks down to High Garden 😢

@Gametime41300 Год назад

That’s why the show was bad

@tanman49 Год назад

With a minor house like Randall tarley’s horn hill was enough to help Jamie walk in there without the high towers who can really muster lot of people as well having nothing to say about that😂. Most of the reache,s strength comes from the high towers and high garden. How Randall tarley did that will be a mystery.

@hatless_spider Год назад

It's also one of the strongest keeps in Westeros 😂

@brobro1659 10 месяцев назад

With targaryen loyalist wildcard tarly not to forget 😂

@cseijifja 10 месяцев назад

@@tanman49 we are led to believe apart from tarly a good chunk of their lords betrayed the tyrells becuase they hated the dothrakis. That would gimp teh tyrells, particularly becuase tarly's the only real soldier they aparently have. Still the show is shit, but i have to give due where it's due. They could have explained that the lords they were keeping in the reach were the ones that turned cloak , but even for that they were stupid.

@flaviomonteiro1414 Год назад

After Total War: Warhammer I'd kill for a Total War: Westeros.

@og8263 Год назад

It's honestly baffling how they're not licencing it to games

@17Watman Год назад

I want a Total War: Westeros game. Not a mod but a actual full game.

@incizor1273 Год назад

Yes yes yes! This is what we need!

@niccologregorutti9309 Год назад

I'm still waiting for the Lord of the Rings total war...

@incizor1273 Год назад

@@niccologregorutti9309 yes! We also need this!

@kocar0021 Год назад

"The show has very few numbers and is inconsistent with those same numbers." 💀 Edit: Holy, sh*t. Thanks for the 10k likes.

@Carlos-sy8hz Год назад

That's quite literal. The starks have like 3 men without their bannermen in the show

@TheAntiTrope Год назад

@@Carlos-sy8hz and Jamie kills one of them in s1, so they have 2 when the war starts 😂

@dodojesus4529 Год назад

Remember drothraki reproduce via mitosis

@arkabhaumik3954 Год назад

@@dodojesus4529😂😂

@nickmills8906 11 месяцев назад

@@dodojesus4529thank you for the theRussianbadger Ork(?) Mitosis joke😂

@baz5042 Год назад

The Riverlands have been affected most by the War of The Five Kings, most of the fighting took place there.

@henryattre4910 11 месяцев назад

yea i agree not sure where he got stormlands

@whatisreddin7367 11 месяцев назад

@@henryattre4910 probably because Stannis' Army got obliterated by the Wildfire and Chain trick at the blackwater, and the rest got ambushed by the Tyrells and Tywins army from behind, Some also turned cloak when they saw Renly's ghost or swore fealty to Joffrey after the battle. He only has about 2,000 men left when he attacks Mance Rayders army of 40,000 wildlings, then bolsters it with Northern Mountain Clansmen, Glovers and some Karstarks. He should be getting a good amount of sellswords too after the Iron Bank decided to back him

@mappingshaman5280 11 месяцев назад

I mean they're the most affected by any war because of geography. The riverlands borders the Vale, the westerlands, the Crownlands, the North and is one of the closest kingdoms to the ironborn. Every other region can basically camp a corner meanwhile the riverlands is getting railed from all sides.

@RailRoad188 10 месяцев назад

@@mappingshaman5280Facts but so savagely delivered 😂

@CeruleanSword 9 месяцев назад

@@mappingshaman5280 You forgot the Reach.

@Abit325 Год назад

20 good men is all i need

@GoodRanchers. 10 месяцев назад

Unless they're bigger, more buff versions of Hercules, then no, they probably won't be all you need

@Threat_LvL 10 месяцев назад

@@OreoCookie324404 didntgetjoke

@Threat_LvL 10 месяцев назад

@@GoodRanchers.404 didntgetjoke

@peterpanda4296 10 месяцев назад

sad how no one gets what u said lol

@GoodRanchers. 10 месяцев назад

@@peterpanda4296 lmao is it a line from the show? Mb

@ivanbluecool Год назад

Thank goodness roose shrunk the size of Rob's army. Easier to count

@johnpauldriskill8737 Год назад

The reason he only has 20000 men is because it takes months maybe even a full year to get the full strength in the north and his river lands army has been fighting the longest and a lot of them are dead

@ivanbluecool Год назад

@@johnpauldriskill8737 someone missed the joke I see.

@johnpauldriskill8737 Год назад

@@ivanbluecoolNo I understood it I was just letting you know that reason no need to be a dick

@mappingshaman5280 11 месяцев назад

@@johnpauldriskill8737if that's the reason why does nobody in the North have any men after the red wedding?

@kaloyanm.r2233 11 месяцев назад

@@mappingshaman5280 depends if you are asking about the show or books, in the show the north cant raise more armies but in the books there are still houses with considerable strength of arms left, which is why in the books the Boltons did the whole Arya is alive and married to Ramsey in order to solidify their claims and keep the north at bay. Plus many of the nobles have family members held prisoners at the Twins and Kings landing.

@ingainloggningsnamn 8 месяцев назад

Riverlands having no strategic defenses. Rip massive rivers that serve as natural barriers and/or chokepoints where you can have small forts defending crossings.

@xiaoxin2859 6 месяцев назад

It’s not just that. It’s mostly because they are in the middle of like 5 other regions plus the Iron Islands. So even with the rivers it’s very difficult for them to defend. At the start of the War of the Five Kings they had the Westerlands to the west and the Crownlands to the Southeast and even add in the Stormlands even though it’s not directly connected because even though they weren’t fighting at the time Stannis considered the Riverlands and the North traitors. Add in the Iron Islands able to do raids including down the rivers themselves plus later the Tyrells joining the Lannisters. And even the Vale was not truly neutral and so you have to watch the East too. The Riverlands will burn in House of the Dragon too, pretty much every major war in Westeros is fought in the Riverlands and there is even a joke that the Riverlands are so fertile not because of the rivers but because of all the blood split. They are just to centrally located so even with the rivers slowing armies down it’s just too much land to cover and honestly rivers aren’t as big of a natural obstacle as mountains in the Westerlands and the swamps of the Neck. You even have problems of the Riverlords famously squabbling amongst each other like Bracken and Blackwood and the Freys not being reliable. The Tully’s are also probably the weakest Great House. They have only been lords of their own region since the conquest and the Freys can actually field more men directly than the Tullys can and Mallister, Bracken, and Blackwood can field about the same compared to all the other regions where vassals can be powerful but not as strong as their Great House Leige Lords.

@durrangodsgrief6503 6 месяцев назад

@@xiaoxin2859thw riverlands United under a competent king is very defensive they have the same defenses as all the other kingdoms but on the other side of them, the ironborn cant raid down river as they have to get past seagard first and more the riverlands is the most underdeveloped region due to the stupidity of its lords

@fildariusv7045 5 месяцев назад

@@durrangodsgrief6503Not ironically, you are absolutly right on it being extremely underveloped. Several towns in the Riverlands SHOULD HAVE BECOME LARGE, PROSPEROUS CITIES CENTURIES AGO, but never received a charter to allow it by their kings (Fair Market is an example). Though Tristrifer IV was an amazing strategist who defended his entire realm ALONE AGAINST THE COMING OF THE ANDALS, he sadly, his resources were finite unlike his enemies, eventually he too fell

@MaloWorld 5 месяцев назад

I think he is right the riverland as a region has nature and terrain do not help in defence, but yes you also right Riverrun the Castle is one of the most Impregnable castles in that world thanks to its location between two rivers, as we read the towns and forts of the region fell easly into Jamie Lannister hands, only Riverrun Castle was Impregnable and can withstood three years under siege easily, cause the attacking army also had to be divided on three banks around the castle.

@durrangodsgrief6503 5 месяцев назад

@@fildariusv7045 no house Justman was better to me any man that can unite Blackwood and bracken is a deity

@blazeblade761 Год назад

In the coming books i think the army of the vale with little finger having sansa he can lay claim to the Riverlands and the North and with the knights of the vale he can probably take it

@lelouchvibritannia8997 Год назад

riverlands yes but not the north, as of now jon snow is robb's heir bcz of which the north would never support sansa and if they find out that rickon is alive then there is no way innhell they will support sansa. even if the moat is in a sorry state, the neck can still ward off any attacks from the south

@videobooks3 Год назад

Exactly and Sansa can then team up with anyone after that and bring along 3 Kingdoms with her 👍

@imtired3861 Год назад

@@lelouchvibritannia8997only a few people know of robb’s will. It’s not common knowledge. As far as most lords know, Jon is the bastard lord commander of the nights watch not Robb’s heir. Plus Robb only named Jon heir because he believed bran and rickon to be dead. There’s no way in hell the northern lords would back a bastard nights watch deserter over a trueborn son, hell they probably wouldn’t back him over a trueborn daughter.

@FEEC-tm1mq Год назад

@@lelouchvibritannia8997 rickon and skagos is still one of my favourite mysterious in westeros

@nicklibby3784 Год назад

@@lelouchvibritannia8997 true. Moat Cailin is still a formidable choke point. But I feel like little finger is smart enough to find his way around it. He could trick the north into going further south or going further north. Maybe littlefinger sends a small army by boat and attacks Karhold or somewhere else. Or lands by eastwatch by the sea and invades from toward the south from the north while his 2nd army is at the neck pushing to the north from the south. Either that or he could convince the north to move south past the neck with a clever trick, then littlefinger could go right up through. I do not think little finger is smart enough to take over the north AND hold it though. I just think little finger could probably trick the north and get the upper hand on them.......but eventually he would lose the war. I guess kind of like how Robb tricked Twyin with the whole greenfork and whispering woods battle, it was a brilliant plot and strategy and Robb got the upper hand in the beginning and won those first intial battles......but in the end, he lost the war. I could see something similar happening, little finger wins the first few battles with clever tricks and is able to get his army in the north......but then he eventually loses the war because of his arrogance, overconfidence and just not knowing or understand the ways of the north and their culture which causes him to miscalculate his battle plans. Or the winter just gets to him and the cold causes his army to fail. Like little fonger uses tricks and deception to gey his army in the north, and he gets super overconfident but then north lets him take it and waits for winter to gey really cold and then tricks little finger and little finger loses

@alex1311t Год назад

Wow, I did not think the Iron Islands had that many troops. I always thought they were a small house and could only muster up a force of like 4k-10k soldiers, not 20k-30k 😂

@madsursin Год назад

It’s not a house it’s a ton of islands that used to be it’s own kingdom and rule most of the river lands and parts of the storm lands

@thalmoragent9344 11 месяцев назад

@@madsursin Well yeah, but by the time of the main series, it's been around 300 years since Houee Hoare has fallen, and they lost all that land. So I mean, just saying, House Greyjoy should have like, 10k at BEST

@Pemmont107 11 месяцев назад

@@thalmoragent9344 That number probably includes all the sailors? I reckon a lot of their manpower would be for the ships.

@MikolajKnas 11 месяцев назад

Small, but very militarised. Basically like 90% of free men are combat capable. Reminder: nearly all iron men were sailors. They have serfs for mining and farming. So, when in feudal society only 1-2% can fight, on Iron Islands it is probably much higher number.

@brianlong2334 11 месяцев назад

@thalmoragent9344 Probably (8,000) but round up to 10k to (16,000) round up to 20k would be more realistic, and a total population at a minimum of 1 million to a tops of 3 million give or take a few hundred thousand each way. Edit: The 3 biggest islands are bigger than Crete, whose capital city alone had a population of some 300k about 2,000 years ago.

@RackEmUpButtercup9376 11 месяцев назад

In the books, the biggest armies mustered and confirmed are The North: 30 000 under Torrhen Stark. This was after having years to gather men and forces. (Fire and Blood) The Vale: 20 000 just between six of their most powerful houses (AFFC), so they can raise well over 30 000. The Westerlands: 35 000 between Jaime and Tywin initially (A Game of Thrones), with Stafford Lannister being able to muster a third (A Clash of Kings). So over 50 000 is reasonable. The Riverlands: Never raise more than 11 000 at a time (Fire and Blood). In the Dance of Dragons they raise 4 000 and 6 600 respectfully. And in the War of the Five Kings, Edmure is able to raise 11 000 to fight Tywin at the Fords, this excluding the 4 000 Freys and the Mootons. Even if you double their numbers due to Casualties, they shouldn’t be able to raise more than 20-30k. The Stormlands: In a Dance of Dragons they raise 6 000, and raise 7.5k to destroy the first Vulture King, and that’s with 3 of the marcher lords alone. So they can person raise 15-20k. The Crownlands: Kings Landing raises 7500 men (excluding sellswords) to defend it from Stannis whilst Stannis has 5 000 men from the Crownlands before his army gets boosted. So between 12.5-15k is reasonable The Reach: 80-100k pretty much. The Iron Islands: A longship in this world apparently holds 33 men a ship (Asha had 1000 men on 30 ships and Theon 250 on 8) and the ships of the iron fleet are three times the size. So the Iron Fleet alone has 9 900 men. The iron Islands should be between 15-20k. Dorne: Raises 10k on short notice for the Battle of the Trident. Robb is able to raise 20k of a possible 30k in the north on short notice so say the Dornish are similar and can only raise 15k in infantry, and if the usual 75/25 split of infantry to cavalry seen in this world is true; then they can only raise 20k in men.

@Grivian 10 месяцев назад

Typically the total army size is bigger than the advancing or offensive army size. In real history they usually let half their army defend the homeland from an invasion during the war. Not sure if that is stated somewhere but it would make sense that if Robb marched 20k soldiers to the south that 20k soldiers remained in the north, considering how big the north is.

@Laena_Sforza 10 месяцев назад

@@Grivianeso tiene sentido pero cuando robb marcha al sur prácticamente deja al norte sin defensas, los hijos del hierro conquistan varias fortalezas de manera fácil y las defensas norteñas por castillo no suelen ser de un poco más de una centena de personas

@Laena_Sforza 9 месяцев назад

Wtf. What are you talking about? Cregan gathered 20,000 men, if you add the wolves of winter are another 2,000 and a few more that the Manderlys took to protect Rhaenyra. if the campaign should not have involved more than 23,000 men in the dance, in total the north I doubt very much that it can gather an army greater than 30,000 as Torrhen did.@@svg3876

@RackEmUpButtercup9376 9 месяцев назад

@@svg3876 Sorry mate but this is an outright falsehood. I've read Fire&Blood and it never outright states the number of men Cregan marches south with. And it definitely can't be the case since no numbers during the Dance of the Dragons are WAY lower than that. The Baratheon barely gather more than 7 000, the Lannisters have no more men left to defend their lands from the Greyjoy raiding after an army of 8 000 men is destroyed in the Riverlands. The Riverlands raise two armies from out of nowhere and still only barely pass 10 000. No ways could Cregan have Come south with anything CLOSE to that. And you don't use children for army numbers, that is such an outlier that it very RARELY happens.

@MrRenix1990 9 месяцев назад

The undead army : THEY ARE BILLIONS!

@filipkrajc842 Год назад

Its still a colossal feature for dorne and greyjoys. Those few rocky barren islands, and desert people can master strengh third the size of developed cities and fast farmlands

@niccologregorutti9309 Год назад

Dorne cannot muster that much,Doran constantly lied about his numbers because he wanted the other realms to think that Dorne was more powerful than it actually was. The Iron Island however are quite impressive,mostly because the majority of the population can be recruited because they don't have farmers

@jcdenton7261 Год назад

Dorne has coastline. Australia is mostly desert, hence most people live near the coast. As for the iron islands, it's said they breed alot with their saltwives to keep their numbers up. I assume they're mostly feeding them with whale meat and trade. What they're trading beats me tho...whale oil and barnacles I guess

@niccologregorutti9309 Год назад

@@jcdenton7261 I don't think the Iron Islands trade,simply because that goes against the concept of paying the Iron Price. They probably have a subsistence economy heavily dependent on fishing and mining (they are called Iron Islands so I guess there is some iron there to mine) and then they use the resources they already have on their soil such as trees etcetera to build houses and ships,make clothes and forge weapons

@jcdenton7261 Год назад

@niccologregorutti9309 they definitely trade. All that Balon talk about paying the iron price is him just being an old c*** thinking they're all that

@niccologregorutti9309 Год назад

@@jcdenton7261 but if they traded they would have no reason to pillage and ravage the coast of Westeros, which would preclude any trade between them and the people that suffered their ravaging

@fandemusique4693 Год назад

It's confirmed by Martin than it's between 40 000 and 45 000 for the North. Oddly enough, Dorne have a similar strengh, the Vale, the north and Dorne have been said to have basically the same strengh numbers-wise. As for the Greyjoy, it's closer to 20k then 30k.

@CheeseCrumbs00 Год назад

Dorne has a lot less, Doran lied to the realm claiming he has 50,000 spears but in reality he only has 30,000 men. You see this in the Arianne chapters.

@fandemusique4693 Год назад

@@CheeseCrumbs00 I talk of what Martin claim, and yes it surprised me. From the asoiaf wiki, Dorne have roughly the same military strength as the North or Vale.

@henriquecesardesouzasilva8766 Год назад

It's kinda insane to me how Balon though he could defeat Robert with only his forces. Did he thought the rest of Seven Kingdoms had no ships?

@NotHere07 Год назад

@@henriquecesardesouzasilva8766he thought that other noble houses like Dorne, Lannisters, and Tyrells would also rebel against the throne after he declare war. He mistakenly thought King Robert's reign is weak and other houses probably would like to be independent now Targaryens are gone.

@danielhughes5932 Год назад

@@henriquecesardesouzasilva8766his first move was to take Seaguard to prevent a counter attack by sea but that was a huge failure with his idiot oldest son and that changed everything

@anonymousperson8475 2 месяца назад

Both the Riverlands and the North are definitely more ravaged and depleted after the WotFK. I would even argue that the Stormlands come in fourth after the Westerlands, because the Stormlanders actually saw fairly little fighting (basically only the Blackwater, very few men follow Stannis north)

@grassynaga9092 Год назад

I’m curious where he got those numbers. Because even before the Karstarks marched back north Robb only had about 25,000 men. While Twin had 20,000-30,000, Jamie had 10,000-20,000 and a Lannister family member was mustering an additional 50,000 men. Robb won a huge battle by having Bolton march on Tywin with a majority of the infantry, while he snuck around and set an ambush for Jamie. Which resulted in the battle of the whispering wood and then the battle of the camps where Jamie’s army was separated and easily picked apart by Northern Cavalry men. Bolton lost quite a few men but being experienced made an orderly withdraw. After that Robb snuck through the Westerlands behind Tywin’s lines and ambushed the mustering army at night. Slaughtering nearly the entire host. When Margery was arrested by the High Sparrow her father Mace brought the entire Tyrell army from high garden and has his army camped outside Kings landing over a 100,000 strong. I also think the Iron Born numbers are exaggerated as well. They don’t have those types of numbers. When Asha pleaded with Theon to yield Winterfell and retreat to the coast she said they didn’t have the numbers and their strength relied on quick raids and retreating to the sea.

@nicklibby3784 Год назад

Im not sure. But I do know where robb got more soldiers, since I did just read the 1st book and am on the 2nd book now. When robb was marching to riverrun he started amassing a much larger army. During the travel to riverun a bunch of sellswords, free rides, hedge knights and small houses and a bunch of other people joined up with robb because the sight of his army marching to riverrun gave them hope. Even robb was surprised, and it was a pretty lucky thing, because if I remeber right, robb was starting to lose people along the way at first traveling to river run and was getting worried if he would have enough men, but then all of the sudden a whole bunch of sellswords, hedge nights, free riders, and small houses ended up joining his army during the march to riverrunans at the point the book said his army was bigger than ever im pretty sure. Because I remeber it was from catelyns point of view and she was thinking about how it capmed her nerves and was very happy how things were working out and it eased her worry and made her prpud of robb because of how so many people ended up joing his army during the march to river run.

@nickdentoom1173 Год назад

You are forgetting one thing: Not everyone was following Robb at that time + he wanted to keep some in reserve. Robb mostly needed to rely on the Riverland forces as well. The North didn't fill their entire army. Karstarks didn'f field all their men Umbers didn't field all their men Dustins and Ryswells didn't field any men. The Neck didn't field any men (Probably on Robbs orders, as they are the first line of defense) Boltons didn't field all their men Not all Northern clansman where present Mormonts didn't field all their men Manderleys did field a huge amount of men, but did keep some in reserve. Hornwoods didn't field all their men. Tallharts didn'f field all their men So the North probably can muster around 40/50.000 men if everyone contributes everything.

@ericharker3440 Год назад

Robb didn't have enough time to muster his full strength . The North is vast, and it would take a year at least to get 50,000 soldiers.

@princedaemontargaryen4971 Год назад

He in fact got a lot of the information wrong and also forgot The Crownlands…

@Human-zx4rb Год назад

Tywin had 20k, jaime had 15k besieging riverrun. Stafford was mustering only 10k, those were smashed by robb.

@graysondraven Год назад

Dorne may not have a large army but you have to fight the environment more than them.

@junioalmeidabarbosa7811 Год назад

Do memso jeito o norte

@Thrawn23. 6 месяцев назад

King Aegon 1 learned that the hard way

@ktvindicare 4 месяца назад

That's true of the Vale, and the North as well. Both of those regions are almost impossible to invade from the south or in the Vale's case at all. the Reach and Stormlands are the region that are easiest for an invading army to march through which is one of the reasons both of these regions can muster so many men.

@luckyhunter5291 3 дня назад

@@ktvindicarewell Said

@s_.777 18 часов назад

unbroken for a reason ❤

@gulhantunc9858 Год назад

In the books Quentyn offered Daenerys 50 000 men from Dorne if she marries him. But also Prince Doran said to Arienne, Dorne is the less populated kingdom in Westeros. So how its working?

@grzexd Год назад

??Lying is possible??

@andrejbarkac263 Год назад

Also it depends on how many man they mobilize. If they mobilize every man or just as much as needed because you still needs farmers to produce, Smiths and so on. Maybe that's why in GOT in series Robb Stark mobilized "only" 20 000 men but could mobilize more.

@chrisrubin6445 Год назад

Doran straight up lied to Quentyn about the population of Dorne. He confirms this in an Arianne chapter.

@thisrandomdude2880 Год назад

It's a propaganda move. In order to make his conquest of Dorne more grandiose, and justify his hard time taking it, Daeron the Young Dragon made the claim that Dorne could mobilize 50000 men. The Dornishmen, after kicking out the Targaryens and reversing the conquest, decided that they would just, yk, not correct that claim. They made it seem as if Dorne had more power than it actually could muster. Smart.

@CheeseCrumbs00 Год назад

Doran has been lying to everyone, a close kept secret

@ripsnorter185 11 месяцев назад

More importantly: where was Westeros when the west fold fell!

@lasagne_man 7 месяцев назад

Tell me… why should we ride to the aid of those who did not come to ours?

@ariaarulasan 2 месяца назад

😂

@raoizawn 11 месяцев назад

Sega should make a total war game about Westeros. GOT have a so big potential.

@LegendOfKhaos12 8 месяцев назад

I honestly can’t believe there hasn’t been a real GOT game made. There’s some shitty one but it’s not an actual game really

@UstaRobinHood 8 месяцев назад

@@LegendOfKhaos12is the board game bad? It looks pretty good

@raymondacbot4007 7 месяцев назад

Just get the mods

@raoizawn Месяц назад

@@raymondacbot4007 I'm talking about a real game not mods, Yeah some mods are really good but after all they are just mods. it will be better if we see actually a total war game about GOT.

@raymondacbot4007 Месяц назад

@@raoizawn Yeah, I don’t think CA is ever gonna return to this type of Total War unfortunately. Mods are the best option, they are very well made and almost indistinguishable from a new instalment of Total War

@dandanthetvman1819 5 месяцев назад

I love how dorn was completely forgotten on the show lol 😂 also I love how the white walkers almost completely defeat the north but at the end they somehow still have a huge army. The guys in charge of the final season were definitely spending all the writing time reenacting sex scenes from the show with each other

@Jon14141 2 месяца назад

Lmao mate lmao

@attheend6284 5 месяцев назад

Night king:Hold my beer!!

@Charles-In-Charge 11 месяцев назад

You way overstated Dorne’s military. 25K is the number they want their enemies to believe, but Doran informs Arianne that Dorne can only muster 15K spears

@BALLARDTWIN 11 месяцев назад

They raised 10k in short notice for the battle of the trident and ur telling us their max is 15k?! Bruh

@legion6211 18 дней назад

@@BALLARDTWIN yeahhh... 10k on short notice vs scraping the entire barrel out?

@grandadmiralzaarin4962 11 месяцев назад

Something important to remember is that those numbers are scraping the pantry and full mobilization that strips all your farmers, herders, and infrastructure. Most of the Kingdoms can only muster about half their high end numbers.

@markobolo4465 11 месяцев назад

I want a Robert's rebellion series 😢😢

@istoppedcaring6209 11 месяцев назад

yeah but they'd probably politicise it to high hell, and since all the major players are allready established in terms of race and geneder even apearance, yeah I doubt they'd be able to do it in a respectable manner

@jay-t1030 10 месяцев назад

After HOTD is complete the next live action spinoff is most likely gonna be about the Blackfyre rebellions.

@CatotheE 10 месяцев назад

@@jay-t1030 I thought they were doing Dunk and Egg?

@gentlemanjaxx 7 месяцев назад

@@istoppedcaring6209I hate that politics in movies, shows, and games shit with a passion and those who support it…

@Thrawn23. 6 месяцев назад

@@CatotheEthey are but GRRM said they have a few prequels in the works. One of those is Aegons conquest

@umurtagh0083 7 месяцев назад

If the North can muster 50,000 men, and Rob marched south with only 18,000, with 1/5 making it back home after the war (probably mostly Bolton men) which means if the North is ever united again it can still field a pretty strong force in the later books.

@matthewy2j Год назад

Don't forget the navy, where the marines could double as infantry men in a pinch. I believe Stannis as Master of Ships had roughly 5-8K available to him from the Dragonstone levy + the majority of the Navy defecting to Stannis at the beginning of the War of the Five Kings. Though this number is tough to digest considering it likely contains 1. The Navy Marines, 2. The odd lord who defected in the Stormlands, 3. Those of the Crowlands who defected to Stannis, particularly the island / coastal holdings, 4. What Florent Loyalists were able reach Stannis' army before being overwhelmed in the Reach.

@stevenlovejoy6838 Год назад

Lol meanwhile in ancient China a single bandit could probably muster 1 million men to fight his emperor's 7 million men

@marthvader14 Год назад

How is the Stormlands the most ravaged after the war, there weren't even any battles there

@jeremirusin58 Год назад

The Blackwater must have been hecatomb for Stormlands' army.

@nickdentoom1173 Год назад

Because the Stormlands are divided. Not only during Robers Rebellion, but also during the War of the Five Kings. Baratheons don't seem to have that much of a grip on the Stormlands as they want to let us believe.

@9thAngel Месяц назад

Nightking: Thats cute “Your armies will make a fine addition to my collection!” 😈

@Lightsoul1987 Месяц назад

Arya: "Hold my Knife"

@3baxcb Месяц назад

@@Lightsoul1987And the Night King did hold Arya Stark's knife...in his chest before going into pieces.

@Force-Multiplier 10 месяцев назад

So let me get this straight in the books Rob had the 50000 Northern men plus the 45000 to 50000 men from the Riverlands ? no wonder he never lost a battle Tywin was basically fighting an army with twice his forces that's even more troops than Renly ...

@mateuszkosior2827 10 месяцев назад

no he didnt he have 22 k own men 8 k from riverland and 4 k of frays but army was split in half before reaching twins so he did have about 23 k when he atack jamy lanister army at riverlands (Jamie army was about 20 k at this point but split into 3 camps) also there was waiting for aproxy 20 k ppl from vale but they never came

@FerretJohn Год назад

As I've said before, if the show were to be 100% accurate to the books they'd need four times the episodes, 10 times the budget, and it would suck due to information overload, nobody would be able to follow who's who and what's going on.

@animeshsingh5347 11 месяцев назад

You're right!

@danielvandam 11 месяцев назад

I would personally have loved it and I think it would just come down to more episodes, but i can see why it wouldnt be the best fit for television so it might be hard to finance

@jacksonmiller1383 10 месяцев назад

Considering the show generated billions it might have been possible lol. But yeah it probably would have been a little confusing for the average TV watcher.

@farmerned6 8 месяцев назад

IT NEEDED MORE EPISODES it didn't need the god-awful, made-up, waste of time Dorne arc

@Boosted_aj 6 месяцев назад

@@jacksonmiller1383no way I’m hell the show made billions. Maybe close to a bil. But no way it hit billions

@joelschittenhelm5571 Год назад

Crownlands and Daenerys armys would be interesting aswell as kingslanding alone

@videobooks3 Год назад

Crownlands are about 10,000. They were in the original short but had to be cut to make the short under 1 minute

@pauselab5569 Год назад

There is a few hundred goldcloaks inflated to around 2k by Cersei hiring anyone she can find

@emiramrullahworld4882 25 дней назад

Imagine a cross over portal when the Orcs of Mordors, Isengard and Gundabad Invades This Lands that makes these kingdoms unite to repel the orcs back to portals 😮🔥

@solosagent 5 месяцев назад

let’s hope it’s not like broken moon and not broken and at this point i want to see a trident skins that cost 450 dollars

@nighthawk_2k827 Год назад

In the end these numbers are not that much important or at least they don’t tell you, what you might think they tell you. Everybody supposes, that this is the number of men that could be mustered in total, but I think, it means, that this is the size an army from the kingdoms would have, meaning an army from the Reach would usually have 80,000 men (more then everyone else, since they have good roads and a good supply of food). Else it would be totally unrealistic, and GRRM has a certain knowledge of history and historic warfare). Westeros is around the length of South America, so much bigger then England. In the Wars of the Roses England lost around 200,000 men and it is generally said, that this was a war, which scarcely effected the commoners. And there is never a mention of big economic problems in for example the North (besides that some of the land is ravaged by armies) even though a good half of the supposed strength that the North could muster died in the south. Which concludes, the North can field armies of around 50,000 max, but if 50,000 die, they still have 50,000 and more to replace them, same with any other kingdom. But this only accounts to the commoners, which amount to the balk of this armies, not for the men-at-arms (knights or non-knights with the equipment of knights) or the nobles and lords (the educated and trained for leadership and warfare).

@balaceanuandrei5183 11 месяцев назад

Its insane how George thought those were sensible numbers for a medieval world. Meanwhile in our medieval time, It was the King, his brother and Steve against the other 3 dudes of the rival kingdom.

@isaiahvaldez3330 10 месяцев назад

it's like if George combined the hectic periods of Medieval China's population with European culture and just ran with it.

@JD7Rockefeller 10 месяцев назад

In the battle of Grunwald between Polish Kingdom and their allies and Teutonic Order supported by many Holy Roman Empire states fought well over 25 thousand on each side. The biggest battle of War of roses had more than 50 thousands of participants. And if you remember that Westeros is a whole continent those numbers seem pretty accurate. Not to mention Almost 150 thousand people fought in the biggest battle of Romand times.

@freddovich7925 10 месяцев назад

I mean, it's his fantasy world, he can do with it what he wants I figure. But it also kind of makes sense? TL;DR: Westeros has a culture of absolute rule, army logistics are still a pain in the books, and no winter makes everything easier. Let's start by saying that Medieval Europe could actually raise massive armies. The first crusade had like 60k-100k total participants. But Medieval Europe couldn't raise big armies *regularly* for these reasons: - Logistics: not enough food in locations in order to support armies bigger than 10k for long. The Romans beat this with massively complicated logistics, roads, forts, etc - Political fragmentation: even the 'major powers' were limited, due to their rulers having to compete with major lords all the time. France had small armies, because a lot of lords didn't come to the King's aid when he asked for it, same with the HRE. The English had to transport their armies over water, which is crazy expensive. - Winter and harvest. Armies would go out between spring and autumn, so that the peasants could sow their crops, go fighting, and return to harvest in autumn and sit down for the winter. All of these issues don't exist in Westeros, which is also bigger than Western Europe so it can support more people. But also: - Logistics are discussed in the books, and its a reason why the armies keep splitting up, so that they can spread their living off the land and get enough food for their men; - Power is way less fragmented, due to 300+ years of absolute monarchy enforced by dragons. Not a lot of rebellions for this long creates a culture of obedience to absolute power. This does break down in the books and show, but it's nothing compared to the Byzantine Empire or the HRE in the Middle Ages, where civil wars and palace coups happened thrice a week it seems. This means, when Robb Stark calls his bannermen, they almost all come to him, same for the other great lords. - There is no winter. Food grows year-round, and armies can campaign year-round because they won't freeze in the winter. There's way more food available and growing everywhere because it doesn't all die off in winter.

@finndaniels9139 8 месяцев назад

@@JD7Rockefeller I mean it's debatable if there were actually >50,000 at Towton. Even if there were, it's an anomaly in regard to other battles of the time period, and the Lancasters couldn't raise another army of any meaningful scale for years. It seems that were anomalies in terms of usual medieval army composition are the norm in Westeros. Which is interesting. The ancient times were obviously different

@JD7Rockefeller 8 месяцев назад

@@finndaniels9139 Well it was only a civil war of one country . As I said Grunwald had something like 60 thousand participants. Armies above 30 thousand weren't unusual.

@officerkaiser9100 8 дней назад

Not surprised the Reach can muster that much. With their connection to Knighthood within the Seven Kingdoms and the Marchers of the Reach being the main line of defense against Dorne, those numbers are very much understandable.

@mrabhi100k 3 месяца назад

Meanwhile :- Daenerys: But i have a dragon🐲, Gimli: Doesn't matter, it would get count as one. 😅😅😅😅😅

@allisonargent2209 Год назад

The Vale and Dorne are still untouched but a battle between these two armies likely won’t happen

@laxus9451 11 месяцев назад

a song of ice and fire needs a fullmetal alchemist brotherhood treatment

@CatotheE 10 месяцев назад

You mean like the first anime, because George is probably never going to finish his books?

@sauwensvk7589 7 месяцев назад

it pretty much did get the fma 2003 treatment, except worse.... GRRM won't be here to long enough for Game Of Thrones: Brotherhood, i'm afraid

@knowledgeuntamed9177 2 месяца назад

Stannis saved alot of important people defeating the wildlings

@SuperGreatSphinx 9 дней назад

Saint Ignatius of Loyola The Patron Saint of Soldiers

@twistedinnocence8617 Год назад

From what I've read the Lannisters can muster about 60,000. Tyrells is 70000. The Starks, Arryns, Tully, and Baratheons are similar at about 40-50 and the Greyjoys and Dornish are around 25-35.

@verward 11 месяцев назад

From what you read where? Those numbers are certainly not from the armies they have in the books except fornthe tyrells.

@lonemotheomatshaba9640 Год назад

Numbers aren't always to be trusted Stannis beat Mance's 100 000 army with only 1500 men But the big players in the winds of winter will most likely be Jon Snow with 4000 wildlings Stannis with less than 5000 men The Boltons with 4000 +1500 Frey men The Riverlands Freys have about 2 500 who might go to war with each other The Vale with 45 000 men The Lannister's have around 20 000 men The Reach has 50 000 The golden company has 10 000 men Euron has 900 ships Dorne probably has 15-20 000 men at most Dany right now she has 8 000 unsullied with 2000 storm crows, 500 seconds sons, 100 Victoreons ships and the Tattereds Princes unknown number of sell swords as well... She will likely get 100 000 Dothraki screamers, the support of Norvos courtesy of Quentyn and possibly the support of Braavos with their 30 000 men maybe more but I don't know how many she will have left as she going to deal with Volantis, Yunkhai, Pentos, Tyrosh and Qarth

@Tamam_Shud 11 месяцев назад

Stannis didnt beat Mace. Mace besieged Storm End where Stannis was hold out for the entirety of Roberts Rebellion in an attempt to stay as neutral as possible during the war. Hence he was labelled a coward afterwards, albeit it was a clever political move. There was no actual fighting taking place at Storms End between Mace and Stannis.

@lonemotheomatshaba9640 11 месяцев назад

@@Tamam_Shud mance Raider

@nimrodlutar1212 5 месяцев назад

The support of Bravos in unlikely simply because they hate valyrians (Bravos is founded by ex slaves of Valyria), Dany doesn't have much chance, at the moment she steps on the lands of Westeros she loses Essos since she's a weak ruler and untrusted by the nobility back there.

@amikoyan42 11 дней назад

I don't think Wildling was that many after battle of the Wall

@sg3215 11 месяцев назад

Thuram and Lavia makes sense if its 2. Lavia doesnt make sense if we're getting 1

@robbomegavlkafenryka6158 3 дня назад

In the Books, it actually looks something closer to this. The North 30K men: Robb Stark raised 20K men, Bolton gathered, I think, an additional 5K after returning to Winterfell, and Stannis gathering the support of 4K Clansmen and 1K Northmen from other houses. With potentially more men Riverlands: approximately 25K men having a bit more of an underestimate due to Edmure losing an undetermined number of men on the Gold Road. Westerlands: 40-50K, with Tywin’s initial 35K men plus the thousands of men Stafford, Daimon, and Davon Lannister raised after his departure. Stormlands: 20-30K, the Tyrell’s having 60-70K after the Stormlanders were removed from their combined host of 90K at Bitterbridge. Reach: 70-60K for the above reasons. Vale: 20K I believe is the only real estimate we have. Crowlands: 15-20K depending on if you count the Goldcloaks. Dorne: publicly claims 30K but actually possesses the smallest army in the kingdom, only possibly excluding the Iron Isles that doesn’t have an army only a navy. The Iron Ilse: possesses a navy with approximately 30K if the average of 30 ships equals a thousand men can be believed and we believe that the Iron Islands do actually have a thousand ships. But it’s likely closer to a third of that if the numbers during the Greyjoy Rebellion could be believed.

@vikramaadityamishra7303 11 месяцев назад

You forgot the Free Folk who contributed around 100,000 to the Night King’s army.

@trev9168 10 месяцев назад

It shouldn’t have mattered. Dany and Jon should’ve had a army 80 k strong with dragons and around 40 k of Calvary on top of that. But no. The show had a putrid 18k during the long night. What a joke

@JW-jd6sn 9 месяцев назад

Wasnt really an army. More just pure population including women and children

@user-ti5cw1ug6l Год назад

Here are the populations and army sizes of the 7 kingdoms: 1. The North has 4 million(M), so 40,000 troops max 2. The Vale has 4M, 40,000 troops 3. The Riverlands have 4M, 40,000 troops 4. The Westerlands have 5.5M, 55,000 troops 5. The Reach has 12M, 120,000 troops 6. The Stormlands have 2.5M, 25,000 troops 7. Dorne has 2.5 M, 25,000 troops 8. The Crownlands have 2.5M so 25,000 troops 9. The Iron Islands have 1.5M so 15,000 troops Keep in mind that these are theoretical maximums that would take weeks or months to muster in the most ideal circumstances so normally the kingdoms go to war with far less. The proportions of the army sizes of the kingdoms are relatively consistent though.

@joshuabeckham2387 Год назад

The Iron Islands have a very small population comparatively, but they have more warriors do to the culture. There are few farmers , and the Ironborn would often prefer stealing rather than making things them selves. Also, any sailor is a warrior in the eyes of the Ironborn.

@nickdentoom1173 Год назад

Yeah agreed. Robb went to the Riverlands with only 25.000 men, since not every single house fielded every available soldier and some houses didn't even contribute (The Dustins and the Ryswells probably be choice and the Neck probably on Robbs orders, since they are the first line of defense if the Riverlands fall) and not all Mountain clans contributed either.

@pinecactus9672 11 месяцев назад

Those are about in line with my estimates. I would argue westerland and vale populations are smaler 4-4.5m but they are are able to field more men due to the nature of their economies. Especially westerlands which is much heavier in mining. No one will die of hunger if there are less men to mine the iron, silver and gold especially if the lords break open their vaults and pay people and buy food. Tywin likely kept the largest semi professional army employed. While the rest of the lords relied more on calling up their knights and eventually levies if needed.

@user-ti5cw1ug6l 11 месяцев назад

@@joshuabeckham2387 Yeah. The Stormlands are somewhat similar in that regard as they stand out for having a larger warrior culture even in Westeros. This is why the greatest knights mostly hail from the Stormlands. They are also marcher lords so before Dorne was brought into the fold they were constantly at war. A greater concentration of knights in an army would be a game changer and overall a bigger advantage than a few extra troops from feudal levies. Robert Baratheon and many others I imagine proved this. Also, certain kingdoms like the Crownlands and the Stormlands usually work together. Natural defense is pretty important too. It allows a country to be held with fewer men. Stannis Baratheon held Storm's End with 500 starving men.

@albaraqahtani 11 месяцев назад

The population-to-army percentage seems very consistent here, 1% of the population in every kingdom are military personnel.

@a.p.980 2 месяца назад

I loved the lore in this series. truly immersive

@three-eyedcrow6085 3 месяца назад

Westerosi: babe it's time for another bloody conflict. Riverland: yes babe.

@cemsenol5527 11 месяцев назад

Stark army has always been the most impactful.

@nimrodlutar1212 5 месяцев назад

Not at all, the most impactful Kingdom is either the Reach or the Westerlands. Both of them actually can finance a war unlike the North. This hype on the North is just as hilarious as the hype on Daenerys

@ousseynougueye5949 5 месяцев назад

@@nimrodlutar1212Do you even know what "impactful" mean ?

@er1115 5 месяцев назад

@@ousseynougueye5949maybe he/she meant "capable " ?

@Archer-op9cp Год назад

Martin, my man, paid little to none attention to the logistics classes

@brunoperez5062 Год назад

But robb only called 20000 men,stannis attacke kings landing with 20000,tyrell is accurate,and cst confirmed in one of her chapters that after some battles the Riverlands only had 15000 men,and i doubt they lost 30000 men in two battles

@videobooks3 Год назад

This is from the books 👍

@soumyadeepghosh8594 Год назад

Iirc, Quentyn promised Dany they have 50K Swords and Spears waiting for her in Dorne

@zededs23 Год назад

Firstbof all robb didn't have time to muster his full army neither did the riverlands. Just because they have the manpower to must 45 - 50,000 doesn't mean that they did or the circumstances allowed them too. U are taking numbers and completely missing context behind it.

@soumyadeepghosh8594 Год назад

@@zededs23 but I really doubt the North can field so many soldiers. Other than Robb's army. The second army Ser Rodrick Mustered to retake Winterfell and the Bolton force attacking them was around 2k iirc. And later the Umbers had resorted to using 'Green Boys' as mentioned by Theon in the sample chapters. So even if given the benefit of doubt, let's say they have 10k in reserve. Still doesn't add up. Also, Roberts forces which took on the Rhaegar's army was around 35k and that included the entirety of North, and some of the Vale, Riverlands,Stormlands.

@nordlling Год назад

Robb can gather 50,000 men if he's given the time

@tobypaul5857 3 дня назад

“Inconsistent” for the show is understatement. Don’t forget the Danys duplicating army.

@TinyBlitz8 День назад

No matter how big any army is when it is fighting against a massive dragon that turns them to ashes in a few seconds.

@stc3145 Год назад

Very large for Medieval armies

@nighthawk_2k827 Год назад

No not really. Medieval armies didn’t called up the strength of the whole region, but what they were able to muster in a certain amount of time, what they can pay and what was logistically useful. At Towton for example fought in total about 80,000 to 100,000 men, but this was a very short campaign. Normally armies of princes were around 10,000 to a maximum of 40,000 strong, since this was a number that could be supplied. A 100,000 like Renly had could never be supplied, not packed so tightly and never in any period, from the ancient world to even nowadays

@stc3145 Год назад

@@nighthawk_2k827 It is Medieval fantasy

@jeremirusin58 Год назад

Be aware of size of the world. It's as big as South America with European population density. It's unlikely, but may be possible

@nighthawk_2k827 Год назад

They have millions of men in reserve, but they cannot supply them in one single army. This is not a matter of population, it’s about the supply chain being too big and the army moving too slowly. Even armies like the ones I mention are having problems with supplying them, since the food they bring with Themis used up quickly and that many men eat more food then the country can supply. If an army of 100,000 were to marched through a territory, the rearguard would just starve, cause the van and center already ate all the food in the countryside. Supply is also a theme in the books, looking at Stannis and Daenerys for example

@Rifqiethehero Год назад

Meh, it's not that large if we compare it to other medieval places such as medieval Islamic Sultanate/Caliphate can muster from 100K up to 500K Men, so yeah

@princedaemontargaryen4971 Год назад

North: 40-45k Iron Island: 20-22k Riverlands: 40-45k Vale of Arryn: 40-45k Westerlands: 50-55k Crownlands: 10-15k Stormlands: 30-35k The Reach: 80-100k Dorne: 35-40k Source: A Wiki of Ice and Fire, The World of Ice and Fire, The Lands of Ice and Fire, Fire and Blood, Rise of the Dragon. All books written by GRRM and his team. The Wiki is the most credible source when it comes to ASOIAF. Fandom is the worse source to obtain information from, it literally tries saying The Manderlys have a silver mine when they in fact don’t.

@god4143 3 месяца назад

People not understanding that these houses can’t just have their full armies roused 24/7 is absolutely insane

@3baxcb Месяц назад

That's why they weren't involved in the writing phase, let alone any other stage in production of a medieval fantasy TV show.

@monkeyddizze 11 месяцев назад

So I ask again how did the Lanisters after years of war just beat the Reach in one episode?

@Krullio Год назад

Would be interesting to add the night’s watch (I think was about 500) and the wildlings to this short as a sense of perspective. And follow on with another short covering the Essos armies/factions

@ugipse Год назад

50,000 is far too many for the North. This is on the basis that the nom-cannon estimate is normally 45,000, however the Starks lost huge numbers in the war against The Mad King. While 15-16 years have past, this is not enough time to fully replenish numbers. It is therefore likely the North’s strength is 35,000-40,000 (which includes the Wall, Gift and New Gift)

@AJK17.5 Год назад

It probably is enough to replenish numbers, I'd imagine boys going to war at 16 in this universe and younger 4 5 year olds during the mad King being old enough to now fight, kind of makes sense

@ugipse Год назад

@@AJK17.5 young boys would be replaced, but not the mid to older vets lost. The truth is in the numbers; Robb would have taken several thousand more men south than just 18,000-20,000 if the North was at full strength. Plus, if it was at full strength, that would have left 25,000-27,000 to take on the Ironborn. However, we have only seen around 10,000 materialise from CoK to DoD. Yes Manderley’s full strength, plus the smaller houses in his influence, the Flints, Reeds and Skagosi is yet to be confirmed, but we’re likely talking sub-5,000. Thus, the North’s strength is so far confirmed to be 30,000-35,000. Accounting for the garrisoned/unmobilised men after now 2 years of war, I’d say another 5,000 is BEST case scenario.

@AaronGuest Год назад

They didn't lose alot of men in Robert’s Rebellion. 50k is a pretty easy estimate for them. Also 15-16 years is quite a large time to replenish their numbers, especially when there wasn't any winter that happened.

@ugipse Год назад

@@AaronGuest see above. They didn’t lose many men in the Greyjoy Rebellion, but the War of the Mad King was massively costly for the North and the Stormlands. Hence why the Stormlands was only able to field ~20,000 in the War of the Five Kings, about 75-85% of their normal strength.

@anonymousgara8415 Месяц назад

Thank you, may God bless you all and everyone. ❤

@thanatoswaker2778 Год назад

I love how in Feast, Doran says that Dorne is the less populated kingdom, and yet they still have aprox. 10k more men than the Iron Islands. Not even the characters in the book care for the Iron Islands 😂

@dineshbalu6107 Год назад

In general Dornish are the best fighters and the Vale are the best Knights and the Stormlands are the furious ones and the North and the Riverlands are the best Survivors, the Ironborn were the Savages... The Lannisters and the Reach are always the Richest and always has the hughest number of Soldiers in their Army. Note - The Lannister Army under Tywin was the highly trained and most perfect Army in Westeros in that time...

@nordlling Год назад

Actually the two best armies in westeros are the North and the Reach

@CheeseCrumbs00 Год назад

You can see in the books who are the best fighters. The Stark house guard claim that one northman is worth 10 Lannisters. But Arya gets angry when she only see one Lannister guard for the same northman who made that claim. Most of the kingdoms seem equal in skill apart from one, the Ironborn. The Ironborn are far and away the best fighters in Westeros. When Asha is in deepwood motte she has a band of 25 and when surrounded in the woods by southern knights and northmen they fight till dawn till only 9 of them remain. Asha herself cuts down many fighters before twisting breaking her ankle and falling before a northern champion. Although we do not see the Dornish fight en mass yet, but judging but Gerris and Yronwood they seem the same as most other warriors.

@AJK17.5 Год назад

@@nordllingunder tywin its the lannisters

@dineshbalu6107 Год назад

@@nordlling With all due respect, the North was not and never been the Best army in Westeros. Their Army is not particularly trained but consists of untrained Savages lol... So if u truly want the best Armies for Reference, I'll give u for certain Timelines... The Best Army in 1. Got timeline - Lannister Army. 2. Dance of the Dragons - Riverlands Army. 3. Aegon's Conquest - Ironborn army in Solo. If u want combined then it is the Reach and the Lannisters...

@dineshbalu6107 Год назад

@@CheeseCrumbs00 The reason why I said the Dornish as best Fighters in General is because the North has not the only Harshest Conditions in the Realm, but it actually is the Dorne. Their Deserts and irresistible heat naturally made them more Cruel, Hard and Harsh compared to the rest of the Region. Also the Rhoynar are said to be some of the Fine Skilled people in Essos, also there r many references in the book that they fight and fuck like crazy.. In the show Bronn says the same too... During Robert's Rebellion Rhaegar and Lewin Martell were very sure that the 10000 Dornishmen are more than enough for the rebels... Also there is this factor of them using Poisoned blades and long spears rather than just swords and hammers truly makes them the Deadliest...

@juribe5202 Год назад

Northeners are worth 3 normal men though 😏

@DrDoom931 Год назад

I thought Rodrik said 10? Lol

@DJ-vk4rp Год назад

@@DrDoom931and the little SHE BEAR herself was worth 10 southerners. And she was just 10 years old. House Mormont remembers

@dineshbalu6107 Год назад

Nahh, That's Dornish not the North... In general Dornish are the best fighters and the Vale are the best Knights and the Stormlands are the furious ones and the North and the Riverlands are the best Survivors, the Ironborn were the Savages... The Lannisters and the Reach are always the Richest and always has the hughest number of Soldiers in their Army. Note - The Lannister Army under Tywin was the highly trained and most perfect Army in Westeros in that time...

@CheeseCrumbs00 Год назад

@@DrDoom931Desmond said 10 and then died to one Lannister man at arms lol. The ironborn are worth 10. The rest are all worth about the same.

@niccologregorutti9309 Год назад

@@dineshbalu6107 That is completely made up. The Vale has the best knights because of their tradition,the same however can be said for the Reach,which is well known for their knights, probably also because they can feed them better than the other kingdoms. The men of the North are usually physically stronger than the others because of the harsh conditions they live in. But there is no difference between the soldiers of the Stormlands, Westerlands, Crownlands and Riverlands, they are the same people, the only difference is how they are trained and equipped. The dornish people are even smaller physically than the people of the other kingdoms,and they're equipped lightly compared to them,so I don't really see why you say they are the best soldiers,they are not and that's why their strength relies on their deserts and why Doran has to lie about the number of soldiers he can muster

@CheeseCrumbs00 Год назад

Kevan Lannister thinks that the Lannisters can gather 60,000 men. The Riverlands can field less as Tywin believes that the Riverlands and North strength may just out number the Lannisters in AGOT, meaning that although the North can gather a lot, they can't gather as much as the Lannisters.

@niccologregorutti9309 Год назад

The North in my opinion can gather at least as much as the Lannister, however Tywin rightly considers that it's almost impossible for the North to gather all their men in time and march them South at a decent speed

@twistedinnocence8617 Год назад

@@niccologregorutti9309the North is huge and far away. It takes time to gather everyone and supplies for the army. Robb got as many as he could in short amount of time of about 20thousand.

@jasonyang9462 2 месяца назад

The Dothraki horde would be more than all of them combined, that would be an epic battle.

@twelve11 7 месяцев назад

The Tyrells.... GROWING STRONG indeed

@lucasrodrigues-gv9dw 2 месяца назад

Night King with 1.000.000 wights: "Losers"

@ProMansego 4 месяца назад

The Tyrells They don't know how to fight, they lost all the battles

@tonyantonio8956 9 месяцев назад

Red army : hold my vodka 😂

@MikMoen 5 месяцев назад

The North just makes me think of Canada. Massive landmass with very few people.

@mansooraly1090 3 месяца назад

Drogon b like I’m enough for uh Danny 😂

@dannyn6036 5 месяцев назад

But you gotta remember that the majorities of those armies are from their house bannermen, and not even their own army. So if u let’s say somehow lose your bannermen’s trust or raise an army to fight for a pointless war, those numbers will not stay like that, and u might even face a rebellion

@podomuss 3 месяца назад

Speaking of inconsistencies, let’s talk about how just the neck is the size of Scotland horizontally. Westeros is way oversized for how quickly people get around. It’s unwieldy. You could fit like 50 scotlands in Westeros

@furkansancar7742 9 дней назад

You forgot unsullied. They have special ability. After every dead soldier they can respawn at 2x rate and they get bigger every time 😂

@jamesoldham9995 10 месяцев назад

Pretty realistic numbers. It also makes sense that the Tyrells would have the largest army. Their fertile farmlands would allow them a high population.

@nater1328 4 месяца назад

“The Rivelands have no strategic defenses” the book goes through great pains to illustrate that you CANNOT cross the trident without taking the twin towers of House Fray, and it would be impossible to take the twin towers since storming one, leaves you vulnerable from attack from the other.

@MorallyDubiousFrog 4 месяца назад

You can cross without the Freys. Robb had to deal with the Freys because Tywin Kannister was guarding the other crossing further south.

@H3RAC13S 3 месяца назад

One dragon takes most, if not all.

@Dranwulf 21 день назад

Best land for their army, the Tyrells really are the most formidable armies in westeros. Sadly they don't have outstanding tacticians to back said army. However if they waited a little longer they could have taken the iron throne and established one of their own as King.

@davekenny8774 11 часов назад

The Riverlands are home to Harrenhal, Riverun and Raventree Hall.

@Daemon3rdBlackfyre 6 месяцев назад

I believe the crownlands can muster about 15-20k men

@Lightingwarrior Год назад

I really don't know where you getting your numbers as some of them are wrong, according to canon sources The North can rally up 45,000, the Reach, Dorne and the Vale also all can rally 45,000 each, the Stormlands however can only rally up to 30,000, and the Iron Islands can muster 20,000. While you are correct that the Westerlands can muster up to 50,000 and the Reach can rally 80,000 to a 100,000. However you forgot about the Crownlands, which can rally up to 15,000 men

@brodywilliams2472 5 месяцев назад

As someone who has read the books, this is pure speculation

@kasozar3800 6 месяцев назад

Morgoth-“ Hold my beer”

@andrewstephen2359 4 дня назад

The Tullys are the first to enter the war and the last to surrender. They also defeat at least 1 lannister army single handedly and another with Robbs help. They did alright.

@CJonesApple 11 месяцев назад

The Vale has incredible defence. Second to Dorne but is able to sustain greater concentrations.

@shanouboubou 11 месяцев назад

Which now makes me wonder how many white walkers they are ❄️

@dariomeininger4541 8 месяцев назад

Another point for the consideration of who will be victorious is the equipment, experience and the Commander. An real world example: Prussia fought and won more than one war against an Alliance of Austria, France and Russia. It had less troops BUT they were experienced, well trained, and had really good officers. (I don’t know the kings name in English because it’s not my mother tongue but in German it’s Friedrich der Große)

@damienruzco 11 месяцев назад

I never would have suspected iron island army had such girth

@LancerNik13 7 дней назад

In the movies, the storm lands had some 100k combined

@regeilewallace2891 8 месяцев назад

The Vale saving Jon at the war of the bastards was the most pivotal

@Moparking117 7 месяцев назад

An ounce of loyalty is worth a pound of cleverness.

@crackhead3253 5 месяцев назад

The farther north can muster the largest army that can grow larger after every battle

@ogBohica 7 месяцев назад

“Has no defenses” Riverrun was the best defended castle in the realm due to its land surrounding which is how Robb Stark beat Jaime

@abdosalambabegh8853 10 месяцев назад

I remember i read in the books that high towers can bring 100000 men

@OdinSmilesRavensLaugh72051 Месяц назад

Give me ten good men and some rocket launchers

@AmTree 9 месяцев назад

i mean yeah the show cant really afford to hire 50,000+ side characters, and dress them all up. they’d need to use a lot of CGI, which they did do in those long shots from the sky.