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Abstraction is at the heart of everything to do with computing. James Clewett takes us through the layers abstracting the pixels forming this text on screen from the electrons in the computer.
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@666Tomato666
@666Tomato666 11 лет назад
"I like Windows Phone" Wow, so he is the second user of it, now I know them all!
@scienceprimo
@scienceprimo 11 лет назад
Q: "How do you take a child and introduce them to the concept of 1's and 0's and the logic gates" A: Redstone in minecraft. It's one of the best learning tools for experimenting with logic and abstraction in an engaging way.
@ataylortca
@ataylortca 9 лет назад
I've always wondered how the computer ACTUALLY worked - all the information behind the many layers of abstraction. What if digital technology died tomorrow and we had to rebuild it from scratch? I'd have no idea how and am simply dependent, standing on the shoulders of giants, but with no awareness of the details of their work. This video was awesome in providing some initial answers as to how digital technology works.
@azakusilov
@azakusilov 9 лет назад
There is nice book related to this topic - Code: The Hidden Language of Computer Hardware and Software by Charles Petzold.
@exiletomars
@exiletomars 8 лет назад
I feel like things like Arduinos and Raspberry Pis and similar things will give kids excitement to get into computers and such.
@kennyrosas-mondragon8926
@kennyrosas-mondragon8926 9 лет назад
As 19 year old and second semester of college I think the problem is that kids are not being exposed to stuff like programming or working with logic gates, The only reason why I started is because I took a class called Digital Electronics back in the 9th grade I got 34% in that class but was really blown away, how complex PCs where compared to what they used to be and what drives them so i got into C# programming I've spent the Past 4-5 Years know programming random stuff for fun and it's great :) Also my senior year i retook that class and got a 96% because I didn't fully understand Flip-Flops. :/
@passive_annihilation
@passive_annihilation 11 лет назад
This hit the spot for me. I really feel like we're flying into this world of computing largely unprepared. The average user doesn't care how things work anymore. And while we can't all be specialists in everything, if we're going to depend on computers and use them and unconsciously trust them the way we already do, I think we all have a certain responsibilities to ourselves, at least, to be a little more informed.
@DivinityStripes
@DivinityStripes 11 лет назад
I was emotionally moved by this video... Thank you, Brady and James!!! I love your videos and am loving this channel!
@tastelesstouch
@tastelesstouch 9 лет назад
It's interesting to note that the same people who made that acorn computer he shows at the end are the same people who created the ARM (Acorn RISC Machine) processor that's powering his iphone :)
@gremlinextreme101
@gremlinextreme101 11 лет назад
I dedicated the last 3 years of my life to a computer engineering degree just so I could understand how to go from transistors to high level programming. Each layer of abstraction is taught as a separate class. Digital design, computer organization, compiler design and digital electronics are the subfields that cover the entirety of this transition.
@CurtisDyer
@CurtisDyer 11 лет назад
I've seen a lot of dubious introductions for teaching people about computer programming, but it seems like you guys are off to a great start with this channel. I really hope this channel takes off. I feel like channels like these are what's going to help younger kids get into more tinkering.
@AlphaCrucis
@AlphaCrucis 11 лет назад
This channel is getting even more exciting! I was hoping for some Dr. Clewett videos.
@SquareKiteGaming
@SquareKiteGaming 10 лет назад
There have always been people that didn't care to understand the abstraction of underlying technology, and there will always still be a small portion of the population interested in taking things apart. Most people might have a iphone, but there are still teenagers interested in rooting their android phone(like me!).
@Tastiestbeaner
@Tastiestbeaner 11 лет назад
Great job guys on computerphile so far guys! I am really excited to see what other concepts you will be exploring.
@Semikami
@Semikami 11 лет назад
I've grown up with things I didn't/couldn't take apart yet I've learned a lot about how computers work from low level assembly to high level languages and repairing or upgrading consoles and computers.
@unvergebeneid
@unvergebeneid 11 лет назад
Being so specific about what your problems where will certainly help make future videos more accessible.
@00Skyfox
@00Skyfox 10 лет назад
That's what I love about my Commodore 64. I can take it apart, remove and swap components, fix problems with some soldering, tinker and see what it's thinking with an oscilloscope, and turn it on to that lovely blue screen and talk to it with a computer program that can make it do anything I want. Studying the schematic and seeing the waveforms on the oscilloscope is all incredibly fascinating.
@KN100
@KN100 11 лет назад
By far the best Computerphile video so far IMO.
@davidsweeney111
@davidsweeney111 11 лет назад
I like this guy, he explains things well and will hold this whole channel together I suspect. Lets have more of him.
@miss1epicness
@miss1epicness 11 лет назад
This video really brings fourth the argument that we should be teaching basic programming in schools. I got my first taste of computer science when I was a senior in High School and would never have known that I might have fallen in love with it if I hadn't taken some non-necessary class to fill my schedule.
@addictedAD
@addictedAD 11 лет назад
i love listening to james! he explanes things so well... pleas more videos with him!!
@GoldTrousers
@GoldTrousers 11 лет назад
I feel so at home with Computerphile. I've always been into computer science and I've been programming for years yet I've never known anyone i can have an educated discussion about computers with. I always feel like there is a magic people are missing out on by not understanding the fundamentals of computing and logic.
@LamdaComplex
@LamdaComplex 11 лет назад
There needs to be more videos on Abstraction in computing and software. In the description it states that "Abstraction is at the heart of everything to do with computing". Which is probably the most truthful statement you can make about computing as a whole. Just this one video isn't enough.
@amihartz
@amihartz 9 лет назад
What first got me interested in computer science were those TI-84 calculators. With the TI-84 calculators, you can actually write machine code directly to it, or Assembly which is preferable, so you can get really close to the hardware and understand how the processor works. I became obsessed with it for awhile and one week I even wrote an audio driver where you could write out songs with music notes and duration in a PRGM file and then run the driver and it would play it through through speakers or headphones. The fact I could get so close to the hardware allowed me to interact directly with the hardware of other devices. I've always kind of been curious to how computers work internally as well as how the software works on top of it. It's a pain these days that getting close to the hardware is much more difficult than it has ever been. I loved the TI-84 because I could literally send controlled electrical pulses out the I/O put in Assembly and measure them on a voltmeter. Trying to do something on such a base level with a 64 bit computer these days out a USB port is nowhere near as comprehensible.
@maartenh94
@maartenh94 11 лет назад
I love his passion for these things, inspiring.
@nadi106100
@nadi106100 11 лет назад
I'm 15 and I'm extremely curious about computers and how things work... I went to the Technion (the Israel Institute of Technology) last year for a course for children and learned logics and binary (I worked with the software "Atanua") and I discovered a whole new world of numbers. Then I learned through RU-vid about other bases. Now, I'm watching this channel (as well as Numberphile - a great channel) and I'm learning the other sides of math and technology. Love your channels!!
@anthony19735
@anthony19735 11 лет назад
I have the feeling this is turning into 1 big story, where we are at the introduction, instead of just separeted, independent videos. Can't wait for the next chapter ;-)
@redsunrises8571
@redsunrises8571 10 лет назад
Where are the people interested in how things work? Well, even i, a teenager am fascimated and mindblown that you could build a computer out of such limited parts and i want to know how. Those interested in how things work are right here, watching Computerphile :)
@WizardChip
@WizardChip 11 лет назад
This has been my favourite so far!
@plasmibot
@plasmibot Год назад
Looking back, It's facinating to see how far we've come. Now we have not CPUs or GPUs but DPUs, and massively advanced AI generation logorithms and software. It's cool to see the bingining of an old "revelation" in 2023!
@mmeah82
@mmeah82 11 лет назад
Well said. Thank you for posting this. I started learning computer concepts in the 80s. Looking forward to more videos like this.
@Adamant3Run
@Adamant3Run 10 лет назад
Thanks for making an hour of my life a wonderful pursuit of knowledge I yearned for.
@rafaelcnoe
@rafaelcnoe 2 года назад
This video will be forever underated
@Anoryme
@Anoryme 11 лет назад
The first computerphile video that I really enjoyed. Please, make others like this one!
@WarpRulez
@WarpRulez 9 лет назад
In the 80's and even the 90's, even the average computer user had a decent notion of things like files, file sizes, file types, the difference between files and directories, and so on. They could easily distinguish, for example, between a gif file and a jpeg file, and they had a good notion not only of the size of the file, but also whether it was a "big file" or a "small file" compared to other similar files. In other words, even the average user had a relatively decent understanding of the technical aspect of many things in the computer (such as files). Nowadays this is an almost non-existent concept, save for a very small minority of savvy users. Nowadays the average user might have an extremely _vague_ concept of what a "file" is, but will have no good concept of file types or their size. In fact, most users will never even know or understand what "file size" is, what the size of a particular file is, or even if they see it, what it means, or whether it's a "big" file or a "small" file. They simply don't understand what the number means and what its significance is. This has all kinds of side-effects, such as people sending multi-megabyte images through email, even though the exact same information could be compressed into just some tens of kilobytes. The user at no point will have any kind of concept of what's happening, and may well be completely unaware of whether the email is "really big" or not. This is something that was less likely to happen in the 90's because the average user was a lot more aware and knowledgeable about these things. Modern operating systems, especially Windows and Mac OS, are the culprits here. For some reason they have gone to extreme lengths to hide _everything_ from the user. File extensions and types, file sizes... everything. It seems that the less information the user is shown, the better. Nowadays the majority of users don't even know if a file is a gif, png or jpeg file, and have absolutely no concept or understanding about how "big" file might be (or even about the very concept of "file size"). It's just magic.
@ButzPunk
@ButzPunk 11 лет назад
I love opening up my computer to have a look at all the circuit boards and whatsits. Sometimes, I just sit and marvel at how amazing it is that this complex system of switches can simulate entire worlds for me to enjoy.
@ciddknee
@ciddknee 11 лет назад
Finally James makes his long awaited debut on Computerphile
@PixelOverload
@PixelOverload 10 лет назад
>What is it that's encouraging them to ask the question "How does this work?" Absolutely nothing, in fact it's telling them to do the exact opposite. However, that's exactly why they'll ask the question. The same kid who responds to an order to keep of the lawn by doing exactly the opposite, will respond to the implied "don't open me" of the black box by doing exactly the opposite.
@EdPwnz
@EdPwnz 11 лет назад
Taking apart a laptop and a desktop and trying to understand how pressing keys out here were transferred on the screen is what got me into Computer Engineering. First year and I can say, I can't wait to go back to school and see what we'll be doing next. I've learned a lot but i have much more learning to do.
@FelixDegenaar
@FelixDegenaar 9 лет назад
It's a pity that many Computerphile clips end, just at the moment an intriguing question gets asked. That's a missed opportunity.
@unvergebeneid
@unvergebeneid 11 лет назад
An episode on each of the most important abstraction layers would be a great extension of this episode.
@steffensmolka6680
@steffensmolka6680 7 лет назад
Great video, very well explained. I think abstraction is the single most important concept in computer science.
@Chavagnatze
@Chavagnatze 10 лет назад
Older computers had big parts more non-static sensitive parts, were crudely assembled, and could be put back together. Today, everything is nanometric, full of tiny SMD, glued, has to be destroyed to be disassembled, and has high functional value. We also live in a sheltered society that is mostly affraid of mental exertion and anything that can be construed to be dangerous in any way. That isn't going to encourage absolute curiosity in some young people.
@vwabi
@vwabi 11 лет назад
Layers of abstraction: (there are multiple answers, this is just mine) 1: Seeing pixels on screen 2: Programming code 3: Assembly 4: Machine code 5: Logical switches 6: Electrical engineering 7: Electrons 8: Quantum mechanics Each of these is a huge step, which is why it's so amazing we've achieved it all in such a short time (early 70's is when computing really started)
@ultravidz
@ultravidz 11 лет назад
Sounds really cool, I'll do that. I'm actually just starting out as an undergrad in computer engineering. I don't expect to get any sort of wold class education from these videos, but one can always stand to benefit from experiencing the unique perspectives of experts in these fields. Even for subjects in which I'm proficient, I always seem to discover new insights the more I look. It's quite humbling.
@sammelief1
@sammelief1 11 лет назад
This is freaking awesome!! More james please!!!
@Sebi0043
@Sebi0043 11 лет назад
This is what I expected from computerphile. The first really good and interesting video!
@DudokX
@DudokX 11 лет назад
Great work! I knew all things James said in this video but I think it is great introduction to more difficult topics so everyone can understand them.
@OwonaVivienD
@OwonaVivienD 11 лет назад
The system used with redstone in Minecraft has actually been closer to the reality, than you may think. In real life, gates, flipflops and latches need to be "wired" to each other actually, and "wires" always have an intern resistance, which dissipates the power of binary signals; if their power is too low, then signals can't be processed. On the other hand, it's really realistic that the more stimulated a sensor gets, the more power it puts out.
@MaxTheDragon
@MaxTheDragon 11 лет назад
People seem to expect a programming channel, rather than a computer science channel. Hardware abstraction is just as much part of computer science (and therefore, this channel), as software abstraction.
@BlackSuneEmpire
@BlackSuneEmpire 7 лет назад
4:10 You worry way to much. Trust me there are loads of kids and adults too, who take things apart and find out how things tick. Great video though, ty!
@Whateverworksism
@Whateverworksism 11 лет назад
James is fantastic. Also love him on Numberphile.
@WeaselGreasel
@WeaselGreasel 11 лет назад
So good, so true. Thank you for making this video and sharing your thoughts.
@toufangle
@toufangle 11 лет назад
I love this professor, please do more vids with him, I think he will be the James of Computerphile.
@poorsoulja
@poorsoulja 11 лет назад
This is a great topic for discussion. Thanks for the video - keep up the good work!
@kiklul
@kiklul 11 лет назад
I really like where these videos are going! You should definitely do a video about logical operations on a physical and virtual level!
@ihrbekommtmeinenrichtigennamen
@ihrbekommtmeinenrichtigennamen 11 лет назад
I am very pleased by this episode. Thinking about how something works is a lot of fun. I like to imagine how other programs I see work. Unfortunately more frequently I find myself in the situation where I think "How is it able to calculate that?" And then my head starts to hurt and I say to myself "I should stop thinking about it and appreciate the fact that it works."
@picknikbasket
@picknikbasket 11 лет назад
Best Computerphile to date.
@toobeetoobeetoo
@toobeetoobeetoo 11 лет назад
Excellent video!! Thank you. Hopefully there will be a more footage video on this topic that details each level of abstraction. I realize a PhD professor could go into this topic to the Nth degree of detail, but I liked his approach. He talked about the roughly 10 levels of abstraction, well enumerate what they are please. That way, people who are interested in a particular part of the process will now have the words to start doing research on their own.
@2e3b
@2e3b 11 лет назад
By far the best computerphile video so far imho.
@GRiM_aZoR
@GRiM_aZoR 11 лет назад
A truly great video.
@ultravidz
@ultravidz 11 лет назад
This is what Computerphile should be about, more of the pure fundamentals of how computation actually works. I would personally like to learn more about how Hardware and Software communicate with, and control one another.
@SapphireCrook
@SapphireCrook 11 лет назад
My interest for computers comes from a lot of things! From my amazement over my dad's (now ancient) Windows 93 computer, to the collection of circuit boards and naturally, the fact that computers aren't able to defy your programming because it doesn't have external influences (looking at you, science). Even today, I carry a childish wonder over the rapid and unimaginable achievements that occurred since my birth! I grew up riding that wave. Now I feel old. XD
@aguru86
@aguru86 8 лет назад
This is why you buy your child all the components of a PC and you have them put it together themselves. It's as cheap as one of those game consoles or phones, and holds within it infinite learning potential both in the presence of the hardware as tangible stuff, and the ability and even necessity to manipulate and configure the operating system.
@aminaleali7161
@aminaleali7161 2 года назад
He's right. When I was 11, in my boredom, I used to unscrew the cardboard-like backing of our family RCA TV (yes, I'm that old), sat and just watched the inside. It had two things that I loved. One was the schematics to the whole thing and two, the orange glowing of the vac-tubes made the whole back of the TV looking like a city. In the USA, we have 110V. In my home country when I did that, city power is 220V. One wrong move I would've been fried by either 220V or the tube's 30,000v discharging through my body. I'm glad that I did it though (it sparked my interest in technology) but I wouldn't let my son do anything like that today.
@GenericRubbishName
@GenericRubbishName 10 лет назад
I think it's easier than ever to get started programming. Decent C compilers and tutorials are available for free on the internet. Most of the scripting languages have friendly communities accommodating for beginners.
@DeoMachina
@DeoMachina 11 лет назад
I recently covered this topic at college, blew my mind. Even a calculator is pretty complicated, so the devices we use today are just impossible to truly concieve of.
@peter62709
@peter62709 11 лет назад
Broken, old technology is what got me interested in computing. My parents are both computer-phobics if anything, and I became the computerphile by having to fix our old PC. It never seemed to work right, so I just had to tinker and explore until I found the answers. That's what got me asking how everything works, because I wanted to know how it worked so I could fix it when it broke.
@ashwith
@ashwith 11 лет назад
Seeing how the ending went (about how current devices don't encourage exploring how things work), I really can't wait for your Raspberry Pi videos (hope you cover other boards too)! Please do something on computer architecture as well.
@Reosleoleo
@Reosleoleo 11 лет назад
Being in all of this technology has made me ask this question. I love to know how things work. I'm 17, and studying to be an IT Technician. So no need to worry about that. Curiosity will naturally spring.
@ricodelta1
@ricodelta1 11 лет назад
it's a good point and this idea of abstraction applies to just about everything, not only computers
@jasonbucy
@jasonbucy 11 лет назад
To answer your question, I think it's videos like these that make me interested in engineering and explore more.
@amusik7
@amusik7 11 лет назад
Great discussion towards the end of the video! I have been worried about the same thing for years - as technology has become so amazing as it has, it really doesn't encourage people to understand how it works anymore. All of my friends have smartphones but none of them has ANY clue of how it work. As a kid we used to dissemble computers with my friends because you had to do it if you really wanted to use one. Nowadays all you need is a finger. This will be a problem in the long run.
@blanktester
@blanktester 11 лет назад
I think I'm not alone in thinking this is starting to be closer to what we were hoping for from Computerphile. (Hey Brady, you don't need to put the channel name at the end of each video)
@Paul_Ivanish
@Paul_Ivanish 10 лет назад
This is the kind of thought that should be labeled as "philosophical engineering" applied to technology... and if recurred backwards into "philosophical reverse-engineering", the topic yields endless dividends in the realm of scientific curiosity. ;)
@TheLuckySaGe
@TheLuckySaGe 11 лет назад
through a specific setup of switches you can get logic statements like "or" or "and". It's hard to tell you in a comment section because a picture illustrating how this can be achieved is much easier to understand. Essentially you place transistors (which determine a 1 or a 0) together in a specific pattern to create a logic gate. A logic gate is just a specific setup of transistors which produce a particular logical outcome.
@DarioTA139
@DarioTA139 11 лет назад
People are curious, but they're not as willing to act on that curiosity. On the other hand, they may simply not be curious about the same things as you and I. While I enjoy these videos, as well as the videos on Brady's other channels, I know people who simply aren't interested, because their interests lie elsewhere. They're accessing computers to do what's useful to them, not because they're interesting to them - there's nothing wrong with that. Let them enjoy the Arts, I'll enjoy the Sciences.
@andreasnold1987
@andreasnold1987 11 лет назад
Brilliant as allways ...thx
@that1stupidkid613
@that1stupidkid613 11 лет назад
I think that curious people are simply a rare breed. Most are content with what they are given, but only a few really need to know what is out there. And I think as long as those people are around, there will be the next generation of tinkerers.
@EpicCraftVince
@EpicCraftVince 11 лет назад
He reminds me of the cook, Heston Blumenthal. The way he looks like he loves his job and the way he uses his hands to explain things :)
@PumatSol
@PumatSol 11 лет назад
I think James is worrying about a nonexistant issue. I'm 15, and I find all this stuff fascinating. Just because we can't easily take apart everything and look at the insides doesn't mean we don't WANT to know how it works.
@SaikouHD
@SaikouHD 11 лет назад
There's nothing more satisfying than dismantling something to see how it works :)
@Adamant3Run
@Adamant3Run 11 лет назад
I'm a part of a generation growing up with technology and I see the problem you have mentioned among my peers. People have taken technology for granted and not many of us really care. But fear not! Due to wonders like RU-vid and Wikipedia the seed of curiosity will be planted and a new generation of engineers will rise. Hopefully me among them. :)
@StormCoreFilms
@StormCoreFilms 11 лет назад
YES, new video! :D
@Falcrist
@Falcrist 11 лет назад
Excellent explanation of abstraction. When I try to explain it, people often get confused.
@gsusfrq
@gsusfrq 11 лет назад
That's why I love taking apart older electronics; they're so much simpler. I can take apart iPhones, but the circuitry is so tiny and abundant that I can't understand it all. And it's delicate because there's so much crammed into such a small space that it's all made thin, so taking apart newer stuff isn't always ideal, for fear of breaking something.
@PowerStudios1000
@PowerStudios1000 11 лет назад
Yay! First decent video from computerphile!
@JUICEPPL1
@JUICEPPL1 11 лет назад
Funny you should say that, I ran into minecraft about a year ago and played the game out of fun. I quickly learned about redstone and got into redstone engineering. It taught me many things like logic, wiring and a new form of thinking. This made me interested in circuits and electricity. It also got me thinking about programming in java. All in all, if you promote creativity you can get people to think.
@un2mensch
@un2mensch 11 лет назад
The honourable professor James seems to be editing C source in vim in a PuTTY session. I approve!
@Falcrist
@Falcrist 11 лет назад
It sure did it for me. I used to love taking things apart and looking at the circuitry underneath.
@AlexanderEVtrainer
@AlexanderEVtrainer 11 лет назад
He really hit close to home with me on this video. I've always been the "how does it work" sort as well, and one of the biggest mysteries of computers for me has always been how does the physical world translate into the cyber world. More and more these days its wifi this and cloud that, and it's getting harder to learn just by handling "real" stuff.
@clapanmb
@clapanmb 11 лет назад
this is the kind of videos computerphile should have.
@DamianReloaded
@DamianReloaded 11 лет назад
Very Cool! Keep'em comming!
@squiffyk7
@squiffyk7 9 лет назад
I don't understand the worry here... I grew up curious of how computers worked without having old clunky equipment with screws that I could look inside of. I understood how electricity could make a light bulb function, but working electricity to make a computer function which seemed incomparable was enough to make me curious as to how computers work and eventually lead to me studying computer science. I would have been just as curious if I grew up with just a smart phone
@Quantumoprh
@Quantumoprh 8 лет назад
+squiffyK7 *"The most remarkable thing about the future is probably the idea that you will call our time even the good old days."*
@BioshadowX
@BioshadowX 11 лет назад
I hope to study engineering, mostly computers in college, but unfortunately what I can now do in high school is extremely, extremely limited. Really wish there were more people like you in my life and around the world that would encourage and give opportunities to kids to learn and explore how things, like great devices like the IPhone that practically everyone has, work.
@billy653
@billy653 11 лет назад
More videos with James please he's so awesome his lisp is cool aswell
@Slarti
@Slarti 11 лет назад
As a computer science graduate from back in the early 90's I still find some computer science graduates don't understand how a hard drive works - which can be vital if you want to understand why your particular database is 'slow'. At the same time with all the IDEs available nowadays and inbuilt abstraction in programming frameworks there is so much to learn that quite possibly many computer science students just won't have the time to really learn about the fundamentals of computer science.
@ultravidz
@ultravidz 11 лет назад
Looks like great stuff, thanks!
@LeviG
@LeviG 11 лет назад
Nice video, with great points towards the next gen
@LimitedWard
@LimitedWard 11 лет назад
I'm a part of that new generation and I've already asked all these questions (and more). I think there's still hope for us.
@PixelOutlaw
@PixelOutlaw 8 лет назад
I really appreciate what you said about phones. People go and spend $500 on a device that is a closed black box then go off and brag how tech savvy they are. Being able to operate a device designed as a closed appliance with the most non technical person as the target audience will never give deep understanding into the most basic building blocks of computing. A grandchild that is "good with computers" may not be educated about them. They are not tech savvy. They simply are not afraid to make mistakes and so they learn more about the user interface. Technology is not a phone, computer, or tablet. Technology is *knowledge* that makes it possible to make them. Computer science is the study and advancement of that knowledge. I'm certain the low level stuff is mostly lost in the sea of quickly written web apps, using flavor of the week frameworks rotting from within.
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