The Art of Editing and Suicide Squad 

Samurai Cop is a masterpiece

"I would advice not getting killed by her" is also pretty Samurai Cop

I still don't know what "Her sword traps the souls of its victims" even MEANS. Like... dead is dead, yeah? Would a regular sword not be just as good at removing your soul from your body? Or did nobody trap Slipknot's soul so he can come back eventually? Does he just have to talk to the Spirit Healer or make his way back to his corpse?

@@The5lacker Definitely not enough time for each of the "fairly well-known criminals" to contemplate the fact that the existence of her character means there IS an afterlife in their universe, which means a possibility of eternal reward/punishment based on their actions, and whether or not being trapped in a badass sword might be worse than...something else. Yeah, let's not dwell on that.

The way he said he’d advise not getting killed by her because her sword traps the swords of his victims, kinda implies that he’d advise getting killed by someone with a normal sword.

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That would have been great

Haha, that would seriously get a good laugh out of me.

@Ironclad tortilla chips gruesome. I love it

@Ironclad tortilla chips Used.

He was the best in climbing indeed.

Slipknot died for our sins.

ihe

He climbed into all of our hearts.

I guess he couldn't climb away from death

This!!!!!! This bothers me to this fucking dayyyyy why did he not get a sniper at basically any point??

yet another thing that coulda been improved with a couple of lines of dialogue. say something about how only he could get headshots with a notoriously inaccurate spray-n-pray gun. or even just have him complain that he isnt being equipped with his specialty weapon.

Kind of stuff that any fresh-out-of-the-college visual designer would say "yup, that's no bueno". It's funny that the text even got a subtle drop shadow - that's usually meant to create some isolation for the typography from the background - but since the text itself is dark... it does nothing.

Everson Bernardes this is the kind of thing that a 14 year old posting memes on Reddit knows. The fact that it happened in a professional film with a 9 figure budget is staggering.

The first thing I think of when putting text on any image, or video, is if it is readable. Thats conern number one, and will spend 30 minutes just trying to find the most readable combination. Its a small, but important thing.

Even a simple color inversion filter would have worked, so it would have been dark at first over the light background, then light colored once it hit the trees.It would have been lazy and stupid, but it would have been better than what they did.

lol even I know not to do that... and I'm on Windows Movie Maker... I'll at least try to outline it so it's more distinguishable.

That's the same thing that crossed my mind when I watched that scene! Why they didn't do this is a mystery

Exactly the same thought here. It would be a good payoff that subverts the expectation.

My mind jumps to a subversion like Boomarang is stabbed, the audience thinks the unicorn saved him, but the knife punctured through and he's actually badly wounded. Though I guess that same set-up and payoff were used in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang with the detective novel, so it's not the most original idea.

I like that idea Travis Wolf and I'd like to combine it with Quote's. He gets stabbed, checks, realises he's badly wounded, roots around for the unicorn, realises it's fine but covered with his blood and gets angry and goes apeshit at the thing for messing up his unicorn more than wounding him. The audience would be like "dang! he must really love his pink unicorns!"

This is exactly that I was thinking!!

And the unicorn evaporated when the knife hit it? :D

@@seedless9746 Maybe he liked the unicorn because it was filled with cash? (Something like a retirement plan) The knife split the unicorn open and the money spilled out in his jacket? ;)

Also there was fight happening at the moment. The unicorn could have fallen out of his jacket somewhere during the fight?

@@sigmacademy well yeah; it did last fight, or that other one... but that doesn't excuse wasting so much screentime& space teasing that the unicorn would somehow matter to the plot.

Would've been funnier and cuter if he had started to panic when he saw the money, panicking as he realizes he doesn't know where Mr Hooves is

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More clarity comes with what we know now: Enchantress's brother was originally Steppenwolf, leading off from _Batman v Superman,_ while Steppenwolf in _Justice League_ was planned to be Darkseid, leading off from _Suicide Squad._ Waller was in Midway City for some reason bridging the other two movies. Dan's probably right, the original _Suicide Squad_ probably wasn't a very good movie, especially if it was an overly long bridge plot between other movies. But as Dan points out in a later video, the reason Waller and Incubus's stories seem to go from nowhere to nowhere is because they got all the way to _CG-animating Steppenwolf in post-production_ before they added Incubus to the movie.

"You expected a good movie? Ha! Joke's on you!"

Basically, a forced "Gotcha!" moment.

It's an early Rian Johnson film.

omg please do it

I was thinking of making some fancy art piece and having it framed. Similar concept in terms of permanence.

@@hawktalon7890 I fully endorse this

@@hawktalon7890 If you were to put the print up for sale, I would buy it!

A typography art poster

It is the best thing about the movie

@@scottsbarbarossalogic3665 honestly.

It just came to the Disney Channel this month, and my mom was like, “Oh! Fantastic Four! There’s a new movie. Is it any good?” So, I looked and there was the Fant 4 Stic avatar logo for the movie and replied, “Nope. It’s bad. It’s Fant 4 Stic, not the Fantastic Four.” I guess Fox acquisitions are finally being migrated to Disney. But, man, what a bad first migration choice.

@@Aiijuin kinda weird they even have it on there considering the scene where Doctor Doom blows up peoples heads and you see the blood splatter in their suits.

Let’s be honest, Who is actually still talking about it tho?

Omg yesss

Seriously, how easy is that? The writers are such hacks

And then he says something like, "I thought I lost you, Mr. Snuffles! Don't scare me like that again!"

Yeah. They had one job. ONE. JOB. It's not rocket science.

@@halfmettlealchemist8076 you ruined it.

Yeah... this movie is dumb

You will be unsurprised to know that in the comic books (which I assure you are much better than the movie) Slipknot indeed uses a rope and not a grappling hook, and uses it to tie people up and lasso stuff.

i really thought this movie could've been cool then it just wasn't

Ayer’s Cut had info on Slipknot being a serial rapist and murderer.

This comment genuinely made me lol. I now want Mountain Goat to be a real fictional character

And with an army backing them up too.

yeah, and they're a waste too. You could actually give them some character traits and make a good narrative contrast between them and the Squad. And maybe start killing them during the movie, to make an illusion of rising stakes. But no, they really don't do anything narratively except for blowing up the bomb at the end. Why are they even there in the first place?

Gotham's Finest I still don't think there are any scenes where the Squad members are in any danger. Even if cut, the effects of it should've been visible on characters.

Gotham's Finest well, that's pretty much the problem of action scenes in general in this film. They're all pointless filler. All enemies are faceless zombies, and no main character dies or gets injured, and their characters dont progress in any way. In a good action movie an action scene is a result of good conflict buildup and has narrative purpose beyond "it's an action movie, so we need to see some action". And no, we still need to see the Squad being in danger, even if we know that they're still humans. Deadshot in particular is supernaturally good at shooting, so we need to establish that he is not invincible in some way. We need to see that stuff, we can't just assume the danger there

You forgot everyone's favorite character Diablo!

Yeah, they were screwed the moment they gave someone six weeks to write a script. Drives me nuts: Like, one person writing a script is probably the cheapest part of production. Spent a little time getting a script, you'll save boatloads down the line.

"What could go wrong?" - 'fans' actually showed up and it made A LOT of money! Many fans LOVED and defended it and proved to the studio heads that crap like this can still make money because stan fans are loyal AF regardless of quality... oh and it won an OSCAR...

@@anamusementinprogress sadly.

A lot of the problems came from Warner Brothers. When David Ayer was hired, they already had a release date in August 2016. As mentioned, Ayer only had 6 weeks to write the script. Scripts usually go through multiple drafts before shooting begins. Then after BvS came out in April 2016 and was criticized for its depressing tone, WB demanded reshoots and re-editing to make it more comedic. They also refused to push the film back, just like with Justice League. So don't blame Ayer, blame Warner Brothers.

I blame studio meddling. Watch the original comic con trailer to get an idea of what the director was going for.

😂😂

He's climbing the ladder to heaven now

@Mother Hen the greek sisyphus, in tartarus.

Not to mention they totally missed out on the chance to play a fucking Slipknot song when the character is introduced. A song like People=Shit or even Vermilion would have worked perfectly

LMAO

Then it would actually be pretty funny.

@Goose Gas honestly agreed, they could even have him pull it out and completely dismiss it as useless while a character stands there confused but not mentioning it out loud just to tip the hat to the audience that it's a joke and not an error.

The money was inside the unicorn…

😂😂😂

@@diggysoze2897 No it wasn't.

Of bad AAA cinema.

dunnowy123 the acting isn't bad

sigh824 ...really, really, bad.

sigh824 I disagree, man. Margot Robbie was really off with her accent and mannerisms, it just felt forced to me. Killer Croc guy was laughable, Flag was bleh. I'll say Will Smith is charming as ever and I actually surprisingly liked Jai Courtney as Captain Boomerang a lot.

dunnowy123 Yeah I mean it's not Oscar worthy, but Courtney and Smith, in addition to Viola Davis and Hernandez, and the chemistry between Robbie and Smith? It just wasn't bad considering almost everything else.

I just forgot that Slipknot was there

Same, and he was like my favourite character in the movie. I know it’s not fair to compare this film to Arcane, because it’s a very good show, and this is a very bad movie……but like, I remember every single character death in Arcane, even the minor ones, because they all absolutely _devastated_ me. This movie couldn’t even make me remember when it killed its most interesting character.

@@TheArtunism knowing this film I’m surprised they didn’t have duality play during his intro

Oh yeah, huh? Thank you for that I just now realized you're right...no mention of him dying in the film...no scene showing his sacrifice...wow..all that backstory built up to nothing..

Whoa, dude. Spoilers

That's an astute observation - they have that neutral dialogue in games that is meant to be character building but has to be completely stand-alone. It works in a free roaming game quite naturally as you spend hours with each character, but it's very poor writing in an encapsulated linear narrative like film.

lartrak exactly, this 'flavor dialogue' works well in; the witcher, mass effect, gears of war 2&3 or fallout 3. But in GOW 1, final fantasy 15 and fallout 4 it felt like the same few hollow and pointless lines repeated over and over, like his example about suicide squad with the witches heart, same shit repeated. I loved the games I mentioned but it was just the worst in flavor dialogue, it's just there to fill time between action set pieces rather than contribute in a meaningful way!!

Like one big cut-scene huh?

James Third damn this is so true

Mah Nigga. Another good comment.

You know what I’m the same way

Does anyone think the sequel will ever wipe away the association?

I want this on a poster

​@@vincegalila7211 Most people definitely think more about "The Suicide Squad" when you mention any suicide squad at this point. Especially as James Gunn takes over film DC.

See I still have a hard time hearing "suicide squad", including in the context of these movies, without thinking of Eric Idle shouting in a silly accent, "we are the Judean People's Front crack suicide squad! Suicide squad, attack!" before he and several other people "martyr" themselves on their own swords. "That showed 'em."

Tried so hard DC ended up hiring James Gunn Lmao

@@saulothebebop2581 How ironic

@@jakelee7083 but Guardians successfully pulled off the whole mainstream music being in the soundtrack?? GoTG has a storyline where the music is a reflection of Quill's connection with his parents and in the first movie the music is upbeat and happy reflecting the relationship he has with the team and memories of his mother and in the second the music is a reflection of how his past makes his current relationships strained and how his relationship with his father is not what he expected from his mother's stories about him and how some of the music has more negative lyrics with upbeat instrumentals. Its actually pretty great use of soundtrack.

jojomilles That’s exactly what he’s saying - SS tried to do the same thing that worked so well for GotG and they completely farked it up. He’s saying that GotG did it right, SS did it wrong. SS tried too hard to be GotG and just became ridiculously annoying. Her heart’s out, we can end this.

DC also used a cover of a Beetles song for a trailer for Justice League, which seems to lend further evidence to this theory.

LOL

i'll admit that did make me snort in laughter :)

Not a single actual answer 2 years later, just a bunch of trolls. Come on guys this is really confusing me :(

That shot and the one with offscreen "she bolted" clearly signifies to me they just didn't have the shots that any sane person would have put in there...

"Did her heart get ripped out? ... Y'know, it was really unclear."

Jeez...That would be truly awful. So i guess it would fit in quite well here.

Or perhaps Higher Ground by Red Hot Chilli Peppers

@@davtash69 True, but awful in a way that would imply that the crew is aware of how awful it is.

Or just a slipknot song ?

@@anishsawan6496 A Slipknot remix of the Miley Cyrus song

@@mccoy2294 We've been waiting for it for almost five years.

Good to see that SOMEONE gets it

"SHE PEES STANDING UP." Wait...what? "DURING SEX SHE WEARS A STRAP-ON AND TAKES CHARGE OF ALL OF HER LOVERS!" Dude, TMI!! "SHE WEARS BLACK ON THE OUTSIDE BECAUSE BLACK IS THE WAY SHE FEELS ON THE INSIDE!" .....okay, now you arent even trying.

it's like me at 5 years old, explaining how cool my imaginary friend is to my parents

Just rewatching this for funsies, and JESUS that entire section is atrocious in every regard; the lines suck, the delivery sucks, the pacing of each lines sucks...so it's pretty accurate to the movie overall. D:

Well there's plenty of guns named after people so maybe if she'd invented the sword...

@@Feasco "This is Katana. Her sword traps the souls of its victims. Also she personally invented it. Yes, she's at least a thousand years old and has a very long and interesting backstory none of you will ever hear of. But the IMPORTANT point is that when AND ONLY WHEN the Enchantress's HEART is OUT can we END THIS. Got it?"

@@Patrick-Phelan They got T

or a character named Scar

How about a character named flag?

Lol I'm a fast reader and enjoyed the color contrast

Right? I was too busy looking at that large tower and white balls.

RGB OK i think we know who was horny watching that part (lolll jk)

At what point?

Eli V okay...?

I do not even know if she is a criminal forced to work for them. I mean she did not get the introduction. But if Waller could just recruit special people, why does she bother with the Suicide Squad?

SkyExplosion Merchandise. She looks cool.

For nothing? I reckon she's getting a lot of royalties for selling her body as action figurine as well as her salary

Also it's badass to know how to use it, at least it is to me.

You say 'for nothing', but she could at LEAST use it on the people who _made_ this film.

I mean, it's not like any real meaningful characterization happened anyway

But do they have your back

What is Crocodile Man about? I MUST KNOW!

That's what they said in the Trailer.

I thought you meant just kill them off right off the bat

It wasn't just Harley who said shit like that which is the worst part. El Diablo literally said something along the lines of 'I'm not losing another family' in reference to the squad. I actually ended up tilting my head to the side and giving my family the look of 'did they actually just say/do that?' Same exact reaction to Katana's """Introduction""" scene. Oh, wait, let me correct myself. *Ahem* KAAAAAHHTTAANAAH

Psychology student here. When you are in a stressful/dangerous situation you bond to people faster, because it aids your survival, we are social animals so we like to be in groups when in danger.

AngelinBlack That's true and I completely agree, but did it not at all feel forcefully shoehorned in there? There was no real... build up to it. There was no real 'protectiveness' for one another in the group and when Harley/El Diablo said that stuff it was just UGH.

+AngelinBlack I absolutely agree with you, which is why it was frustrating and confusing for me because the movie did not convey those emotions and rather, tacked them on at the end.

+Kimmy W I agree! I did not believe that it was sincere, after all, Harley Quinn had no problem leaving her "friends" behind to run off with the Joker and that happened not long before that, didn't it? And all of a sudden they are her friends!?? Yeah, right!! lol El Diablo's line ("I lost one family already, I'm not losing another one" or something along those lines) was even worse! I watched this movie with my 15 year old and even he didn't buy it!

That line was so bad I felt sorry for Kinnaman that he had to read it.

It gets worse when you consider the weird question of faith it brings up. In order for that threat to work, the Suicide Squad has to believe in souls and fear for where they end up. If they care about the "immortal soul", then why are they constantly commuting unforgivable crimes? Do they believe in some sort of cult God where their crimes will be rewarded? Do they care about being trapped but not about Hell? WHY IS SUICIDE SQUAD MAKING ME THINK ABOUT RELIGION?

This is Katana. She's an American stereotype of what Americans think of the Japanese. Her gimmick is that she's Japanese. She only speaks Japanese! That's the joke!"

yeah im fine with that whole japanese thing. (Also I'm pretty sure no one thinks that japanese people run around with katanas and fight random criminals.)

P.S. If anything, she's a stereotype of a samurai

A GAME....theory...

@@danielcannon38 Why didn't you say FILM THEORY!!!

Daniel Cannon GODDAMNIT DANIEL, WHY COULDN’T YOU JUST SAY FILM THEORY.

You had ONE JOB

Daniel Cannon ONE JOB

At 20:44 you can actually see Will Smith mentally re-counting his money

So... we're supposed to laugh at the exact same time one of our characters' tragic backstories is being told and she is crying? We, as the audience, are literally supposed to be laughing at the exact same time one of our characters is thinking about her dead husband? Seems legit.

I disagree. Just because it wasn't funny doesn't mean it wasn't supposed to be joke.

If it was supposed to be a character thing, then Harley wouldn't have responded. There should have been dead, "that's not appropriate" space but instead they decided to put in Harley responding to the term "crazy." There was a set up and a punch line. Classic "joke."

Gotham's Finest I do watch a lot of those but the people dying in those, cracking jokes are typically faceless goons. I didn't hear any jokes when Quicksilver died, nor the main cast of Rogue One, nor Han Solo. Not even with Superman's death. If they want us to care about their main characters, they shouldn't insert inane jokes that have nothing to do with what's actually being said sloppily in while that character is crying and going through emotional pain. Also, please do not try to make assumptions on my viewing habits simply because you didn't know how to respond to my valid point.

I believe Hayley was saying that there should have been a pause to let the tragedy of the moment sink in so the audience feels some sympathy/connection to Katana. Without that connection, there's not really a reason she should be there. She didn't really do anything in the movie anyway. Her swords steal no souls except in that brief flashback. I'm pretty sure Hayley put "that's not appropriate" in quotes to describe the type/tone of the pause she would have liked to see, not a line that she thought someone needed to say. I see what you're saying in that the Squad only care about themselves so they wouldn't care that Katana had an emotional backstory, but I feel there would have been a better way to present that. Because a better writer would be able to write a scene in a way that the audience remains sympathetic to a character even if other characters in the story do not. I think it was a case of trying to squeeze too much in one movie. The characters are introduced like 3 times, but we don't feel invested in them because we're mostly told what their past is and how we should feel about it rather than shown. Yes, there are flashbacks, but for a character's developmental and empathetic arc to be truly felt by audiences, we have to see it unfold steadily over the course of the film. Harley could have just as easily not said anything, pretended like she wasn't listening to the story, changed the subject, or just rolled her eyes. And the editor could have cut the scene so that Flagg tells us that her husband is in the sword and then go directly to Katana crying, then wait a beat, maybe even show some of the more sympathetic characters like Diablo or Deadshot reacting, and then move on.

Same here HoustonProductions 1

HoustonProductions1 Cloverfield lane is such a tight film.

10 Cloverfield Lane was amazing.

Cloverfield Lane was just a kiddie PG-13 version of The Divide.

TheArtkaw Your perfume smells nice. I love the stench of death. One of many cringe lines from Harley Quinn. - __ -

Is that what she said? I though she said "Now that's a killer GAP" as a reference to the gap between the buildings. Fuck me, that just makes the joke even worse!

SHE'S GOT MY BACK

HER SWORD TRAPS THE SOULS OF ITS VICTIMS.

Slipknot had more character than she did, I think he might have had more dialogue too...which is sad.

AstraVex agree 100%

AstraVex Yeah, Dan described him best. “He’s a linebacker with a skin condition”.

I don't even know why his Design was good enough to win an Academy award for Best Make Up.

continuity handler: yeah, there were a lot of problems, but i marked the really major stuff like how Harley's bomb isn't in her neck at the end, or forgetting to mention Diablo near the end? Oh, and there was the spinning guns-- extremely overworked film editor: yeah okay cool we'll try but the movie's coming out in like a week continuity handler: .......oh

Just saw it... The pile of fuck is just getting bigger

Ain't nobody gonna talk about how harley fell off the chopper with her back facing the ground and in the very next shot she is rolling on her legs I mean compared to other blunders in the movie this is nothing but yet 😂

They had no time to watch the movie after they made it lol

Because they don't have to be held accountable for them in the same way I assume

MarStoryTime Also, don’t other superheroes already exist, and clearly have enough time on their hands? What they should have done was set up the Suicide Squad not as a superhero task force made to save the world, but a bunch of stooges and slaves threatened at ostensible gunpoint to do the dirty work of the United States Government. Like, instead of stopping Enchantress it the Joker the Suicide Squad would do really fucked up shit like murder the leader of a revolutionary party, or blackmail and beat the shit out of gangsters who aren’t already under the city’s thumb.

... This guy's a boomerang...

The One and Only Michael McCormick that's basically what the squad is in the comics. They are deployed in other countries to combat terrorists, but with superpowers. They should have done that.

Impossible, those sqadmates can shoot bullets fire AND carry a sword. It would take years to train everyday responsible citizens to mastery that kind of firepower.

I thought he just looked confused. Like after a few takes the director kept telling Will "look more confused for me" and this is the best we got. He's about to ask "Which her? Which heart? THAT heart? OH RIGHT the MAGIC heart."

Can you tell me the difference between momentary editing and structural editng please ?, i've searched the internet for 2 weeks hâhhha

If I remember correctly, momentary editing is how an individual scene is edited. Structural editing is how the film as a whole has arranged its scenes. Bad momentary editing results in things like dialogue that doesn't flow together, character blocking that makes their movements feel abrupt or out of order, the action being too hard to follow, etc. Bad structural editing means there may be too many unnecessary scenes, or essential scenes may be missing, or scenes out of order, or repetitive, or not adding up to a story at all.

As someone who has made powerpoint presentations with graphic backgrounds, I'm right there with you

I can smell those money trees from here

@@Harrinsain Gonna need a looooooot of blood.

this is incredibly delightful

i legitmately yell-laughed, THANK YOU

Hollywood if you need a guy for ropes, I’m your rope guy. Wink!

Thanks, I was wading thru the comments for a nod for that "imphesus".

Literally only here to highlight this part, it took me like an extra second to understand what he had said, but I burst out laughing

don’t think that’s what he meant. he’s just saying you really don’t wanna be killed by *her* specifically even if you’re cool with the risk of dying in beneral

@@lithiumkid That is obviously the intent of the line. It's just an awkward way to transition from "She's good at cutting people in half with swords" to "Her sword eats souls BTW".

Aaron Kenyon given how much footage was left on the cutting room floor, it could have been much better.

definitely not, the whole product was rushed from start to finish. You can't polish a turd.

Dan e i agree

The film was written in 6 weeks. A perfect edit would have still been mediocre at best.

Like I said in the video, there's very likely a more coherent cut out there, which would be technically better, but it would be close to three and a half hours long with almost two hours of just introducing characters' backstories.

Sameen Shaw like shrek 3

And just like an onion peeling back those layers will leave you crying.

holy shit I know it's been 7 months but you have an alternate version of my profile picture and I must point it out

oh my god i never realised that -.- it just gets worse and worse...

I assumed if she just left when Waller showed up she would have just shot her... But then why did she even need to be there for the fight w the Enchantress... God I was too kind to this movie when it first came out. This movie sucks.

It's possible she was just... ok with that. She thought Joker was dead, where was she gonna go? The jail gave her food and shelter, with some entertainment (her trapeze shit with the sheets). Why not go back to a relatively safe place to stay when her only real motive for escape was presumed dead?

NovaIsOnRU-vid I mean she was being tortured on the regular there.

@@blueisasomedancer true. Forgot about that it's mentioned so passingly

I mean, that doesn't help. They try to juggle too many characters, so keeping track of them all has got to be hard.

See, the frustrating things is that a well made movie could juggle at least a handful of characters and still have you invested in their fates and stories. Or at the very least have you impressed by the characters even if their stories don't matter. You shouldn't have to be familiar with the source material if the movie is GOOD. There's a decent number of canonical characters in the Fellowship of the Ring, but even without reading the books I feel like I have a firm grasp of each character and a fair amount of investment in the fate of the world they live in and each story that may be unfolding within. Suicide Squad just tumbled down the stairs and spilled its box of action figures at you and called it a movie.

James Gunn also probably had longer than six weeks to write the script. (I imagine.)

it was such a magnificent redo of the first suicide squad i cried a little bit (before crying normally during the movie). from the first few scenes i just *knew* james gunn had taken notes and was determined to do right what the first had done wrong.

@@chiefoftheskyI’m low key excited for where he’s going to be taking the DC movies. Finally a filmmaker that doesn’t hate comic books that is going to make DC movies. (Snyder doesn’t literally hate comic books, but you can tell from his films that he thinks that they’re dumb and for babies and that they need to be “fixed”)

​@@Blueeyesthewarrior Snyder only likes comics that are edgy and have boobs and SA and shit. there are hundreds of great, dark comics, of course, but it's a HUGE red flag when that's ALL someone cares about.

​@@BlueeyesthewarriorZack Snyder could literally be summarized by his retweet of the batman eating Catwoman out. Everybody with more than two brain cells knew batman and Catwoman definitely banged, but Zack Snyder really has to shove it into everybody's feed and say "See? SEE? BATMAN HAVE SEX, SO MATURE AND AND EDGY"

Same here!

"We subvert their expectations by making them expect something good, and then have it be shitty!" "Genius!"

Reminder that david benioff of the D&D guys said “themes are for eighth-grade book reports” I noticed problems in season 7 but season 8 ruin the series for me I can’t even rewatch the series without constantly pointing out stuff that was useless or forgotten by the end

I feel like subverting expectations is just an excuse for a bad film: "the audience doesn't like the film because we subverted their expectations and they are all man babies" Maybe it's because the film was plain bad

lmaooooo. ME!

+dr.kalzafax I agree with you and to be honest, because of how the movie was edited I lost track of what happened to the heart after Harley ripped it out of Enchantress and it wasn't until much later I realised that Captain Boomerang somehow was able to find it under some rubble or whatever that was (see how confused I still am? lol)... must be the upside of having a Thief in the squad since no one else bothered to look for it?? lol

Your comment reminded me of another reason I disliked Valerian, aside from horrible casting and writing. The Converter animal is what they are all wanting but it's not always clear who has it. I had to assume Laureline still had it but it's not shown for long periods plus it's a living creature and we don't know how its managing through all the chaos. So sad that Valerian was so bad.

TBH I forgot about the importance of heart after it was ripped out, because suddenly they are doing something else in slow-mo as well with throwing a bomb.

I know this comment is 5 years old but I can't help but get excited over the temple of doom opening and how perfect it is. not a flawless movie, but that opening sequence has perfect escalation, tension, fun silliness, all of it works. it revels in its own wackiness while also having engaging action, utilizing its setting and props, with actual stakes. it's maybe my favorite example of "characters chase object being kicked around amongst chaos that is comically always just out of their grasp", because it's both easy to follow AND fun, as that gimmick is prone to be frustrating to watch. suicide squad couldn't fail harder at this understanding of good action.

Let's be Honest Official amazing point. This guy knows more than the people who were hired to make this $175 million dollar movie

If WB had a clue how to handle production of DC movies there would be more than one good movie out of the bunch. Whoever's idea it was to only give Ayer six weeks to write the movie should be fired (if they haven't been already). For this kind of movie, six weeks might give you time for a solid first draft. So, they've already shot themselves in the foot. Ayer shooting over 200 hours, before reshoots, in order to attempt to find the tone and plot pretty much guarantees that the movie was going to be a mess even before WB tried to "fix" it. I imagine a lot of the editing problems in the movie come down to a lack of coverage, or things not working due to reshoots to try and give the movie a more comedic tone. From the sound of it, a lot of the ending initially relied on the Joker. Leto's Joker had a much, much, bigger part in Ayer's original cut and his plot tied into the ending of the movie. Cutting that probably lead to a lot of the problems with the final battle. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of editing issues in the movie come down to a lack of coverage. Plot crucial scenes getting cut in order to make the final version and coverage simply not existing to fill in the holes left by the cuts. Suicide Squad might very well be the opposite problem of what happened with Solo. Lucasfilm, reportedly, reshot most of Solo when they brought on Ron Howard. SS had extensive reshoots, but it doesn't sound like it was quite as extensive as that. Which leaves Suicide Squad feeling like three completely unique movies all vying for dominance over the same film.

I think the fact that it's a $175 million dollar production is what prevents one person from fixing it. A project of that size is pretty ungainly just by its nature, and when you add in the fact that the top dogs who play studio politics are infamously incapable of admitting error for fear of appearing weak, it's almost impossible for any one person (or even an entire department) to raise their hand and say "Excuse me, isn't this obviously bad idea obviously bad?"

I'll bet, lots of people in the production felt bad about it the whole time.

Tbf it could also be structural. I know someone who works in the industry and I remember him working on one film he said he and his coworkers knew was a stinker but their boss wouldn’t listen to them.

Shadeofblack1199 they could have just put the text in the top right

This from a guy who spells 'paid' as 'payed'

Algernon Kong He's not paid to make a comment with perfect grammar, so what's your point?

Scizor For Hire His point is the irony in the fact that even a turd who can't spell, knows what professionals did terribly wrong with SS... So if he knows it... How the fuck did the makers of this film not know this...

Shadeofblack1199

Honestly, the bad english makes it funnier.

But where were you when John died?

@@thatbuckmulligan the end

This is art

@@Awesomeasumpta13 The bad english is part of the copypasta.

Indeed. When I saw how long it is, "Oh god, 30 minutes..." And I watched it without noticing at all it already 30 minutes.

Ditto.

7y ago, when 35 minute videos felt “long”

So many people in the theater I was in laughed when Slipknot died. You know you're doing things wrong when people laugh when you kill a "good guy"

david Lewis wait, you paid attention?

Am I the only one who only realized that El Diablo died after watching multiple reviews of Suicide Squad?

Eli N.S nope, I didn't realize that too

Pahahahaha as if I've only just found out that Diablo died

I really like the way they named the Japanese woman who is good with swords after the Japanese word for sword. Masterful writing.

@@Martin_Edmondson I think that comes from the comics not the movie.

​@@SorowFamethe movie could have given her an actual name

Typical comic book super hero crap. Comic books are written for 7 year old boys who don’t know of the concept of subtlety.

I agree. Subscribed.

MightySavagE same

I have to admit, I don't think I've ever listened to anyone complain for so long (without relying on sarcasm or satire) without getting bored, before.

Subscribed as well. Not many vids are interesting and engaging enough finish -- yours was!

Yep - me too.

When the most capable member of the team is only some guy really good with guns, on a squad formed with the secret purpose of opposing the guy who is literally bulletproof, it comes to a point where no amount of acting or writing could have saved the film from the moon sized plot holes.

Superman is not bad he is dead, dead shot got to see his daughter because of this, Harley get a coffee machine and is later broken out of jail, and enchantress could of still found her heart even without the plot therefore helping her brother and then the city is destroyed and the citizens die.

@@morgza-m6898 bruh, since when did superman die for longer than a year? He always comes back, and there's always some universe where he goes evil on the lads.

my favorite bit of that is that he clearly is just pained by the errors, not having a whiny fan-tantrum.

exactly!! it felt like it could've been a setup for subversion of expectations!

Ugh this is so much better than whatever was in the movie. You should be a writer, at least you’re competent

Vamsi Mohan Krishna Vadrevu

you can try and break it down but there's some of us that still like the movie. i still love watching bvs and suicide squad. I dont think they are perfect and i agree with his points but i still dont see how he says this is bad editing but to my eyes i think it works for the movie.

You may not have noticed the worst aspects and failings of the film-making... But your brain did.

Shado Bat Liking it or not doesn't have anything to do with its technical problems. You can say you like a burnt cake, sure, but it's still burnt and can obviously be better. If even you think that they aren't perfect and agree with his points, then why don't you see how it's bad editing? Does putting black font on black background make sense? Does showing crucial information about the Enchantress' brother in the middle of exposition in the form of vague images actually make the it works for the movie? Does stopping the momentum and flow of the action just so Flagg can inform the team about the Enchantress' heart being ripped out, even though we just saw it, makes the movie better? If they aren't perfect, then maybe actually fixing these problems can make them perfect.

@@1967sluggy I felt pity for your son. I can't believe that movie killed him.

Maybe she's teasing a prequel, where green heart does something that actually affects one of Harley's friends?

that's exactly what I thought!! the entire movie was full of them being antagonistic towards each other -- even at their most "friendly" they just gave off the (accurate) impression of being coworkers stuck in a shitty situation together. hearing the script was thrown together in 6 weeks makes so much sense bc *man* does it show

Tastytea he actually hides them on all his videos.

Oh really?

Tastytea yeah, he says he does it so people don't instinctively form an opinion on the video before watching. if one of his videos has a ton of downvotes, it may interfere with how you watch the video

Tastytea I didn't even know it was an option.

na slipknot has power as well, he can climb anything ... even his way out of this terrible movie

It's like reverse teen titans or justice league..... where robin/batman is the lone human among a team of supers, competing at a Olympic-level competency, instead we get Diablo being the sole powered dude on a team of normies 😑😑😑 less diversity of fighting styles + his power is like, being a lighter? Boring.

Well... Harley does have the unofficial power of diamond strength plot armor.

I find it funny that killer ctoc got forgotten

Harley Quinn is actually a hilarious addition. Her most noteworthy expertise is being a psychologist ... but not a good psychologist.

im surprised wesley willis's "I Whooped Batman's Ass" wasn't on the soundtrack

obvious reflection of emotions is obvious

mojopeach wait but isnt the implication here that Harley/the squad actually IS going to fuck his shit up? I mean, they never do, but he’s not being paranoid, it just makes sense that that’s what’s in his future...

@@Flowtail I inferred that she was just fucking with him so IDK

I have to strongly disagree, this was way too redundant. It's so badly written and hard to follow because he loves tangents that don't matter to the case in point. And he hides his like/dislike ratio, so he doesn't want to improve.

It's a waste of time, the video could've been 10 minutes long without the amount of meaningless fucking fluff he put in it.

Nasty-looking Navi Yeah, you're just bullshitting. Fuck off.

@@Gatitasecsii so your problem with his video is *you* couldn't follow his arguments? well bud, sorry to say that's not a problem with *him*... yeah he uses a nicely conversational style with some loopy bits & comedic flourishes; that's what good writing (and natural speech!) sounds like...

@@sjs9698 You're either kidding or uneducated. It's not that I couldn't follow, his writing is messy, unorganized, and wasteful. And if by loopy bits you mean redundant and repetitive, then I agree, but that's not preference, that's just bad writing discipline. Besides you can tell what a weak ass bitch loser he is by looking at the hidden rating.

Definitely agreed. Very well organized.

Jason Walker When you say character development to the kind of people who made this movie, they nod their heads, but all they hear is a noise like "meow meow meow."

noisepuppet If cats made this movie than that explains a lot, but at least I can forgive them for being cute🐱

@@jessica_jam4386 It wasn't cats. It was those mice bastards. Mice, not men.

@LittleFieryOne Maybe it was a combination Of Mice and Men that made the movie?

@Jean Sanchez I feel like a movie made by Skaven would at least be more interestingly bad. It'd be so obsessed with making you think the main character is brilliant and cool that the entire thing falls apart at every turn.

oldmoviemusic I know right how on earth could you have a different opinion to another individual.

The best thing about that movie was the soundtrack...and by that I mean the ORIGINAL songs, not all that other bullshit they threw in there.

Well I, for one, very much enjoyed the movie... although to be fair, I was only paying attention during the moments that Harley was on screen.

I certainly enjoyed tearing it apart with my friends. It's definitely not a movie I could ever watch alone.

Simon Belanger Well, you just might get your wish, but not in a GOOD way. DC/WB is planning on making a DEADSHOT solo movie and a GOTHAM SIRENS movie with some of the same crew involved.

It's bad acting, bad writing and everything else in between (well bad for a movie of that size - it's slightly better than student films).

THIS IS KATANAKA. Don't catch me stabbing though.

No, it's weird. Makes me wonder if they just had him yelling like an idiot and then put the helicopter noises in afterwards (probably what happened).

That whole paragraph is quite a mouthful to begin with, and it had to come out in way too little time. It's a mess. Few actors could have saved that line, I should think.

i've heard it so often from re-watching this video and from references that I kinda love it

Honestly, I think part of the reason I would say that BoP worked (or at least worked much better) is that it actually COMMITTED to the atmosphere of wacky neon contrivances. Harley was clearly telling the story and they didn't constantly cut to a war documentary's color palette, the soundtrack was much better spaced out and had a consistently bouncy feel for the most part, and the flashback introductions were used to demonstrate the unreliability of the narrator (Harley). It all felt much more casual, even when dealing with pretty high stakes or tension, and the only parts where you were confused about what was happening were when you were supposed to be because Harley is unpredictable, never in dramatic moments where you needed to be able to follow the action. I genuinely enjoyed BoP and went back for another theater viewing- Suicide Squad I haven't even gone back to once out of theaters and I maintain it's one of the sloppiest and least coherent movies I've seen, while still managing to be boring for an unfortunate chunk of it's runtime; honestly, managing to be boring AND scattered AND over-narrated AND underdeveloped is almost an achievement. BoP is never what I'd consider unambiguously boring, there's always either new information, character development, or action of some sort on screen, whether it's high-quality or not.

Don't know what your problem with the editing in Aquaman was, sure it had a few awkward cuts but the storytelling, editing and pacing was smooth and coherent imo. Suicide Squad and Justice League (and maybe the theatrical cut of BvS) are the worst of the DCEU in that regard so far.

@@rsfilmdiscussionchannel4168 My main thing with Aquaman is that it started and restarted the movie like 6 times, like they had a dozen different scripts and couldn't decide which backstory/first scene to go with so they just used all of them. Haven't watched since then but I remember seeing it theaters and going OK BUT WHY ARE WE DOING A FLASHBACK AGAIN

@@hailonyourparade Dunno about that, I haven't seen it since cinemas but I remember the opening being fine. It covered Arthur's backstory then it went to an opening action scene and then finally the plot got moving.

@@rsfilmdiscussionchannel4168 Yeah the opening was fine! And then 15 minutes in they did another introductory scene. And then again. It was just a bit redundant, they could have sharpened it up a bit. It's not the worst edited dc film by far, just sorta sloppy and a bit weird.

Yup

Senor Salty I agree, but Batman should also be left out of world ending situations except maybe as some kind of advisor, because his only real asset there is his intelligence. This is one of the more annoying trends of these shared universes and ensemble hero films. The cast of characters are chosen based on their recognisability and popularity, with seemingly no awareness of how their abilities can be used to solve the problems. When Batman is in his own movie, he looks like a powerful badass who can fight the enemies using his own abilities. When he's put next to Superman, it's like putting a kitten on a basketball team with LeBron James. They aren't even close to being in the same tier of power and one is rendered utterly negligible by the other. Avengers had the same issue with characters like Black Widow, Hawkeye and Captain America being comically put on the same team as Thor and Hulk. I think the ones that do this well either have a total awareness of the fact that one character is significantly more powerful than others (like Dr Manhattan in Watchmen, Jean Grey in Xmen or Saitama in One Punch Man) or they just choose characters who are generally on the same kind of level.

Definitely. The plot should of been something along the lines of "The Joker and a bunch of other villains escaped Arkham Asylum for the thousandth time. Let's form a team of expendable criminals to get them back." Or, if you want to be even simpler than that, "a bunch of terrorists are doing a thing involving a bomb or kidnapping or whatever. Let's form a team of expendable criminals to stop them." The plot that we got was better suited for a Justice League movie than the Suicide Squad.

You mean like how they were used in the Justice League cartoon and the Animated movie, Assault on Arkham, both of which are amazing?

But the execs thought that would not put as many butts in theater sits

Oh my god! Is that your real last name?

Yep, survived middle school with it. Most of my accounts don't use it obviously haha, but this one just pulled it from google

@@palebluedotn7147 well now i'm curious

@@syra1541 lol, yeah finally found a way to change it. I had to also change my gmail handle, gotta be a better way to do it. The last name is "Raper".

@@palebluedotn7147 nice haha, oh that's a bit unfortunate

yeah if carl had watched his GG video he would think he is an even smarter homeless man, you are right paul.

you know, that very much not what he said in that video. lmao.

You didn't understood what he said, you need to watch the vídeo again

His box friend being so cleanshaven that his hair is that much more noticeable

god i forgot to reply to this "Perhaps instead of defining base assumptions with a clumsy traffic light example he ought to have talked about how the gaming journos started gamergate in the first place" that is why you should watch again, the traffic light example was to show how some things are assumed as normal in arbitrary manner, not because they are more logical or more efficient, but because of inertia and an unquestionable decision he very clearly define how gamergate is divided by two groups, the ones who genually believed in the journalistic cause, and the appropriators whom only goal was to be biggots and sexist his interest was to talk about the second group and how they used the sincere group "But secondly, this idea that he has about gamergate being a reaction to increased visibility of minority voices should be crossed out and incinerated." clearly because you said so, not because of what people in gamergate actually said and we had actual evidence that you are making a very wrong assumption, as was shown in the video "It comes from a feminist "base assumption" that feminists are the voice for minorities and that their ideology promotes the best interests of minorities." no one said that, feminist are not the voice of ALL minorities, but they speak for woman and many in the LGBT group " It's almost as if he's conflating the two, because his bullet points about gamergate's base assumptions don't even mention the increased visibility of minority voices, but rather representation in gaming, which is a completely seperate issue. " it is not, the visibility of minorities is what provoked the increased representation, it is not completely separeted, and neither was his bullet point his argument was that gamer gate follows this theme "in the internet everyone is default" , not anonymous, default, if you don't reveal who you are you are assumed to be a white hetero guy, which is undeniable that his was GG assumption "Then he talks about terrorism in gamergate. I'm sure everyone agrees that the sort of gamergate people who take down websites and try to de-platform people are wrong and unhelpful, but then he just has to lump in CRITICS with those same terrorists." like he said, one shields the other the "terrorists" are the critics audience, and they confirm the critics bias against minorities, the "terrorists" attacked on their name (just look at the comment sections that they dogpile) "Well then don't put your ideas out for everyone to see!" so you are telling that people should open hand of theyr freedom because assholes exist? how very quaint weren't the gamer gate people the "rationals"? the ones who were up for freedom? now you say the people who criticize GG should just keep in silence as if it was censorship? hypocrisy much? "Then he says "the primary target of corruption and conspiracy accusations being women, queer folk, and their allies" Which pretty much gives it away. By "allies" he means "feminists" allies means allies, if you assume that allies means just feminists you are just making wrong assumptions and either case, what would be the problem with having feminists allies? what is your problem with feminism? with what feminist group do you have a problem with? and why feminist in the conversation are a problem when gamer gate was run by and support by white supremacists and literal nazis?? have you actually checked how the GG people is going on today? because the mask have fallen for most of then, they finally admit they are the nazis we always knew they were "He's trying to make it seem like gamergate is about identity polotics. It's about IDEOLOGIES. " "identity politics" is an manifestation of ideologies and how very coincidental that the ideologies that are criticized just so happen to be the ones who defend minorities "Then he correctly assesses the term "literally who" and proceeds to incorrectly assess the very same term. First he says that the name was created to deflect accusations that gamergate was all about hating Zoe Quinn, which is true, but then he says that it was meant to... .... ....dehumanize her? I don't even understand what would be the point of that. " well you answered "They are rejecting her because she was never meant to be anything other than a catalyst for a broader discussion." she was dehumanized her, GG turned her into a symbol, a strawman, an example if you think it just stopped with calling her "literally who", you are either naive or blind rape threats, dog pilling, doxxin, and so on these woman, people criticized GG were hunted by reactionaries, that USED GG to do so, doesn't matter how it begun, but what it became, and nazi had run the show using the legit critics as shield, very much like you intentionally or not is doing now.

rofl

James Gunn is just sitting there like, "DAMN IT, DC!"

Ronnie Hess I doubt it. suicide squad was a lot of overused, cliché pop songs. gotg songs were a bit more obscure.

yeah but the "Spirit in the sky" song was already in Guardians of the galaxy 1, so even if this movie had this purpose the work would still be done badly.

No you're right, it definitely was

you are the first comment i see that mentions that

Malcis more people gotta talk about this

Jake Carlson It has the best suicide squad dynamics. Where most of the characters acting out like they're bad guys and they're manipulating eachother also they're not acting like they're BFs. What else? what else? oh yeah better Joker performance by Troy Baker, Batman has longer screentime, better villain, better plot. Yeah pretty much better than the trash we got.

I actually saw Assault on Arkham and I THOUGHT that's what SS was going to be: Not every "superhero movie" has to be about saving the world/universe from an apocalyptic threat. especially when the team you assemble is clearly not equipped to deal with it. We got got guns, swords, boomerangs and...a baseball bat. Yep, I feel so confident in their skills to handle this cosmic level being. *rolls eyes* I would have loved a heist movie with these guys.

Don't fix what isn't broken.

froginatub go watch "assault on arkham" it's a heist movie about suicide squad.

It speaks volumes when a Direct-to-DVD movie, created as a tie-in to a videogame series, is CLEARLY the superior movie when compared to the big Hollywood blockbuster on the same subject... I was so hoping Suicide Squad would be anything close to Assault On Arkham, and I couldn't have been more disappointed.

Assault on arkham had everything that Suicide Squad should've had. #1: A small scale. #2: Good writing. #3: Good characters. #4: An interesting plot. #5: NO FUCKING SKYBEAMS #6: Good action. #7: Seeing the team work as a team.

Rise my minion, the magic of thread-omancy commands you! #8 - actually taking advantage of having antisocial maniacs as cast. I mean, AoA's Harley is much more of unstable nymphomaniac, Deadshot- sociopathic hitman. Killer shark, had and semi-romantic plot. It had more chemistry than those weird vats in Suicide Squad. And Boomerang... Much more offensive british steretype. #9 When someone dies- It was really saddening, surprising (I'm bad at mysteries, tho) or teaching. It took me a while to get who's the Slipknot of this movie.

Marek Wygnany Boomerang is Australian

John Meinhardt Great way to put it, I totally agree

Jon your great .....

Plot twist: The Waynes faked their deaths and moved to Kansas.

@baileysmithful Well he's been on here since 1999. Who's the one behind the times now?

how were you on here in 1999??

?? 1999???

Mr. McGringus nah, cinema sins and the nostalgia critic are just hacks

Mr. McGringus partly because your “this is primarily technical” point is pretty wrong-it’s about editing, sure, but it’s discussing how the editing alters the emotional landscape, not on technical details of the editing itself. (Dan has spent much of his youtube career being harassed by fascist internet idiots partly because of his channel’s focus on overall narrative over technical elements) Cinema sins and its like, by contrast, often focus on “technical” stuff like continuity mistakes or “plot holes”. I guess they dont get harassed though, so.. ..what was i saying?.. uh

All I could think was, "Who the fuck thought this shit was acceptable?!" It's one thing for your premise to not make sense to a DEGREE, but for the WHOLE Thing to not make sense when you stop and think just for 5 seconds, it's just...what...?

Aquaman is stronger than Superman (at least phisically) in the comics.

Willian Gabriel nice joke

Seriously, he can trash most of the DC cast together by himself without much trouble. The 80's and 90's Aquaman is long dead.

"superman is bussy" is a sentence that will remain with me until my dying day

River Williams I still don’t really get it. They’re rescuing Waller - who’s in the city? And what exactly was Enchantress doing/going to do to her again?

exactly!!

I thought that too

That is actually an EXCELLENT example of why the music in SS failed so badly at what GotG succeeded at (and later, arguably, BoP as well). Especially in the first GotG movie, the songs are for the most part burned into my mind with the scenes: Escape (the Pina Colada Song) reminds me of Starlord flying back to the group, Cherry Bomb makes me think of the team walking /almost/ impressively down the corridor, Come and Get Your Love brings me directly back into the super fun title sequence, etc. The Deadpool movie accomplishes this to a degree too, I can't even hear Mr. Sandman without thinking of torture.

Still kinda sucked tho...

@@jeandehuit5385 Nah, was a lot of fun and I hated and loved some characters which is how it should be

@@scottstuart531 The main problem I have w/ it (& there's a few 2ndary problems as well) is that it feels like it's trying *really* hard to be weird, w/out actually being, you know, all that weird. Other secondary points being minor production things that kept taking me out of the movie. Like the fact Idris Elba is clearly playing a role written for Will Smith; the fact all the cast members from the original movie save Margo Robbie are written off (despite not actually being poorly cast or anything. Only Flag's actor is actually bad); the fact King Shark is an expy for Groot, among other things... My biggest pet peeve (which really shouldn't bother me, but does) is the stinger. So, like, Boomerang. Everyone who knows Suicide Squad beyond the abysmal 2016 one knows that it's an in-joke that Boomerang somehow always manages to survive. Then, you have a hospital scene in the end, & they're talking in hushed tones. I immediately think it's Captain Boomerang, but... Nope, it's Cena. A guy I *never* want to see in another one of these movies again (not that he was bad, but I think he conveyed everything that character needed to be conveyed, & anything more would be overstaying his welcome). It just left a bad taste in my mouth. (it's also colour-graded like a Marvel movie, which means it looks uglier than sin, but that's besides the point). A lot of these are little things, but the devil's in the details. The problem w/ the 2016 is big, structural issues (the script, the editing), but there's a lot of love in the little details you can appreciate (& also an equal amount of crap). W/ the 2021 one, the structure 'works' but a lot of the details just feel wrong. It's an okay movie, but not really what I'd call A-game for a Suicide Squad story. (for the record, I think the Direct-to-video "Suicide Squad: Hell to Pay" is better than both the live-action ones. It goes for a more Grindhouse tone, & I'd say it's worth a watch if you can rent it for cheap).

The remake has no business existing

@@jeandehuit5385 Not even close

MegaMind is a really underrated movie.

it is indeed, it had a good amount of comedy, soundtracks(they kinda did what SS did but the right way) great plot, concept and character development, even though it's supposed to be for kids it still managed to capture older audiences. Not to mention as far as I know no one has complained about the editing :P

It got overlooked due to coming out after Despicable Me, but honestly - Megamind is a lot better.

Megamind > Despicable Me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suicide Squad

word.

Folding Ideas lol

To be fair, both studios are notorious for executive meddling, and both could have easily created Fant4stic.

Folding Ideas exactly why I scrolled to the comments. thanks for correcting.

you should analyze Batman Assault on Arkham movie. compare how that movie and this movie handled the suicide squad. hell maybe even arrow and how its handled there

can you do a comparison video of suicide squad vs assault on arkham