Church of the East is an ancient, non-Protestant denomination that is sometimes forgotten. In this video we will discuss the Church of the East and one of its modern representatives, the Assyrian Church of the East
Yes, this Assyrian Church of the East is very active in our country Iraq. Most of our Muslim people at one time belonged to this Assyrian Church of the East.
As an Assyrian I just want to say our Christianity is really the same as most, nothing is significantly different for the adherents of the Church. Nicene Creed
The history of the Church of the East is fascinating. They evangelized across the entirety of the Silk Road (as alluded to here) and brought about numerous conversions in China and even among the Mongolians...to such an extent that I believe the mother of one of the Great Khans (don't remember which one) was a Christian of the Assyrian Church of the East. Their recent history (specifically, since the US ouster of Saddam Hussein in 2003) has been one of nearly unending tragedy, and for the Chaldean Catholics of Iraq as well. Probably hundreds of thousands have fled their homeland, and for those that stayed, many of them have had to endure unimaginable suffering. This story is little known and deserves to be told. May Our Lord Jesus Christ wipe away every tear from their eye.
Sorghatani Beki, daughter in law to Genghis and mother of Kublai Khan was from the Church of the East and buried in a Christian funeral in a Christian church. If any of her sons and descendants has adopted her faith, history would be very, very different. The Church of the East had multiple opportunities with the Mongols and the Ilkhanate of Persia, all of which they flubbed, sadly.
Interestingly Assyrians still exist today, genetic documentation and studies has been conducted, and the conclusion is that these people are the direct descendants of the Ancient Assyrians in the Bible. The Assyrian Church has played a huge role as a survival boat in keeping the Assyrians together Culture, Language and Lineage. They live in Northern Iraq, sadly they are dwindling cause of Islamic persecution, pray that these people survive and hopefully they get more International recognition and aid.
The only reason they were able to maintain their genetic identity was because they maintained their religious identity, minimizing intermarriage with other groups.
@@bigscarysteve Many Assyrians emphasize marriage within the ethnicity more than marriage within the faith. Although ethnicity and faith are one unity for a large number of Assyrians, there are also many Assyrians who aren't religiously-affiliated at all. But even the latter will emphasize marrying an Assyrian to their children, and it's not an easy thing to disobey an Assyrian mother!
Great video! I appreciate the lesson you have shown to the world. I myself am a Chaldean Catholic Assyrian and have been studying my own history very deeply for the last 3 years. I am from Alqosh, Ninewa, Iraq. It is a village that is 1500 years old. We have two holy sites: Rabban Hormizd (eastern Christian) and the tomb of The Prophet Nahum(Hebrew Old Testament).
@@Mrchungus11C-OIR Tbh I would not know, I have looked it up and there are know sources online. Your best bet is asking a Chaldean Catholic priest or Assyrian Catholic priest for a detailed explanation. In the chaldean church, St. John, Located in San Diego, I have seen attendance from non Chaldeans/assyrians. They were most likely also Catholic previously attending the Latin Mass. We do speak the language of Jesus Christ and sing hymns during mass. The language is a Mesopotamian dialect of Aramaic (Sureth).
@@Mrchungus11C-OIR Before we joined the catholic church in the 16th century, we were orthodox and practiced eastern christianity. Assyrians are many of the first travelers to spread the gospel after his resurrection. We went as far east as china. our church almost saw extinction after the reign of the khans.
Assyrian orthodox here my grand grandparents fled from the genocide out of hakkarri (literally the Most southeastern corner of turkey) to syria khabour rivers
St Thomas Christians of Kerala used to be a part of The Church of the East until the Portuguese showed up in India. There is still one church that is associated with and still practices the same age old traditions of the Church of the East even today in Kerala. Most Syriac Christians in Kerala joined the Catholic Church. Another group joined the Oriental Orthodox Church. Another in communian with the Anglican Church. Just like in the mother church, the descendants of the Mar Thoma Christians in Kerala are divided in to a lot of churches.
As an Assyrian that grew up in the ACOE I can attest that our church is absolutely closer to the original form that was practiced. The oldest church is Assyrian and we still read the original version of the bible in Aramaic and our prayers are all in Aramaic as well. Since moving to the UK and not being near to an ACOE I have tried many different churches and none have the same power as the ours. It quite literally feels like a different religion when I go to these other churches. It makes me very grateful to have grown up in the ACOE and also makes it extra special for me when I get to go back to it when in the states.
You have a new BIshop Mar Awraham Youkhanis, Bishop of London and Western Europe. I am going to a talk that he is giving on June 18th at St Albans Cathedral. My own priest has met him (I am Eastern Orthodox) and he is very impressed with His Grace.
Church of the East is definetly one of the most interesting Christian Chruches to me, alongside Japannese Orthodox Church. Throughout its history, Church of the East had really big teritorial extents even going all the way to Mongolia and China, where it actually flourished in the early middle ages.
You have the holy Catholic Church. You have 40,000 man made protestant CULTS including the orthodox CULTS NOT churches! Only Jesus can found a Church. Only Catholic’s go to Heaven because there’s NO division’s in paradise!
Makes me feel the older churches are probably closer to whatever ‘original Christianity’ is supposed to mean. Many forms of protestants seem to think they can Bible their way into constructing the ancient church but bet one misses out on a lot of traditions and beliefs more ancient than the NT by doing so.
@@johnsambo9379 i think you misunderstood. they know perfectly well. i think they were saying protestants attempt to reconstruct to recreate the first century church and they miss out by not looking at these ancient churches.
Well, surely a lot of cultural traditions are lost, but the Bible does say that the Scriptures are able to: Make us wise unto salvation by Faith Make us to know (thoroughly furnished) how to do every good work, so we are in fact able to know how to keep things God wants us to keep just by reading it. 2 Timothy : 3 : 15 - 17 “And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.”
It's important to remember that the Assyrian Church of the East in the past did make use of icons. One of their Patriarchs, when tested, famously kissed an icon in the presence of Muslims, and their liturgical books make reference to an icon above the altar. But yes, it seems, as you've said, the use of icons declined in that Church. Also, their "Seven Sacraments" are slightly different from the traditional seven, because they are unique among all the ancient Churches in having a sacrament called "Malka" or "Holy Leaven" which is mixed with the Eucharistic loaf during the process of baking. They also number the sign of the Cross as one of the sacraments. These two sacraments seem to replace Matrimony and Anointing of the Sick, which are almost universal among all the ancient Churches.
Hello, I'm a curious scholar and I was wondering if you could provide more specific identifying information about the incident in question with the patriarch you mentioned as well as the liturgical books that make these kinds of references. Thank you!
It's telling that all of the ancient Churches have Bishop's, Priests, and Deacons, believe in Apostolic Succession, and the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist.
Excellent work. The only addition that would have been welcome was a mention of the Liturgy of Addai & Mari, which is unique among ancient eucharistic rites.
Great video! I myself am an Assyrian of the Chaldean Catholic Church-the church which was born after a schism in the Church of the East which resulted in many Assyrians converting to Catholicism.
I don"t understand how that happened. Suddenly you start believing in purgatory, indulgences, pope supremacy, legalistic view of salvation, filioque, and original sin? How?
@@haroldgamarra7175 Not suddenly, but after years of debates and conversations. Also, the only doctrine most of them had to adopt among the ones you noted would be Papacy. The doctrine of Purgatory and Original sin was already believed by most Orthodox Christians, Oriental or Eastern. The Catholic Church doesn't really hold the legalistic view of atonement, in fact, the Church doesn't have ANY official theory on that topic, the Church only has 'theories that are 100% false'. In other words, the Church rejects some theories and allows Catholics from holding any of the other theories that have not been called 'heresy' by the Church. Filioque is mostly just a linguistic misunderstanding and linguistic limit. Both the Oriental Orthodox and Eastern Orthodox and Catholics agree that they don't disagree with any fundamental points and that the controversy is mostly about the word from which language is more accurate to the meaning of the doctrine.
People forget the St Thomas Christians of Kerala, South India were part of this church from the 4th century and to a certain extent still are. The church was present in the north of India as well separately. The Church of the East thrived in Kerala until the 15th century -more than a thousand years. The association with South India started earlier and lasted for a longer period than other parts of Asia. It was so well established that it continues today albeit in a much more limited manner. You don't hear this fact mentioned as much as the association with China which occurred much later.
4th century is according to written records. It's very possible for the ties to have been even older considering the fact that Kerala was the spice centre of the world and we had great spice trade ties with Middle Eastern Empires.
Couple errors, I’m apart of the ACOE. 1. We don’t deny theotokos (mother Mary being the mother of God). We agree with both; but we prefer Christokos over theotokos as a reference to which person of the godhead we are talking about. 2. We venerate Saint Nestorius because we’ve preserved a book from him called “the bazaar of heracleides”, and in this book he verbally denies the idea Christ is 2 persons. 3. We don’t deny Mother Mary gave birth to Christs divinity, we simply mean she didn’t CREATE his divinity. 4. Our Christology is that Christ is 1 person with 2 inseparable united natures. 5. “Syriac language”, our language is Aramaic, the language of Jesus. 6. We do not disagree on the hypostatic Union with eastern orthodox. We actually agree with Eastern Orthodox’s interpretation. We disagree with the miaphysitism interpretation, which gets reduced to 1 composite nature. Much more to the story, this video got a bit off.
Awesome comment. I'm Easter Orthodox and have been trying to read the Bazaar. We share so much and I love Mar Yaballaha III and Mar Rabban bar Sauma a lot. Mar Alopen's story in China also means much to me. I pray we can reunite one more time, once and for all on this earth.
@@djnth0llmnjeremygan694 It’s a shame that the controversy holds the union back. If terms are put aside, ACOE’s christology is near identical with EO’s. May EO and ACOE unite one day
@@AryaXVII May the Lord hear our prayers. As a Chinese person, the Church of the East is part of my homeland's heritage, so there's no way I can be antagonistic to the ACoE.
At one point in time, the Assyrian church of the east was bigger than every other church west of Persia combined. If it wasn't for the persecution from Islam or Taoists in China or assimilation in India, it would have been the largest church in the world today.
They also did not amass wealth and power, form armies, and attack other nations to forcefully (rather than persuasively) convert them, all to gain more territory, wealth, and power, nor did they cut off heads to force conversion, or burn dissenters at the stake, and they never led crusades to kill fellow Christians.
And persecutions also from catholic church . Franciscan missionaries of catholic church made divisions in church of east in an effort to bring church of east under pope and formed chaldean catholic church. It weakened the church of east in particular and Christianity in general and that also give rise to islamic fundamentalism!!
I’m currently reading a book called The Lost History of Christianity by Phillip Jenkins. Your videos and this book has filled in the knowledge gap I had concerning Church history. Thank you.
This video would have been a great opportunity to mention at least in a couple of sentences the Ancient Church of the East as a very recent offshoot of The Assyrian Church of the East. It started in 1964 on disagreements about reforms announced by the Assyrian Church. The Ancient Church of the East has had two patriarchs, namely Thoma II Darmo (1968-1969) and Addai II Giwargis (1972-2022). Yacob III Daniel was elected in 2022 in replacement after the death of Addai II but he abdicated after less than 3 months, . A new patriarch has been elected namely Gewargis III Younan. Perhaps you could consecrate a brief new video on the Ancient Church of the East as well.
One thing, in the last video, there was mention of the great church, pre schism, but Ethiopia and Armenia became Christian before the Roman empire. I have heard a major priest of the C Of E claim they are not actually Nestorians, but I haven't looked into it. It was big across the Mongol empire right into China
Syro-Malabar Church is a Catholic Church which follows the same East Syriac Liturgy and they're said to be seperated from this sister Church Of the East. It's appreciable if you make a video on Syro-Malabar Catholic Church of Kerala
Used to be all in India as members of the Assyrian Church of the East up until the religious persecution inflicted on the Assyrian Church of the East in India forced many to convert to Catholicism. But as I mentioned above, Mar Thomas was the open who converted Indians to become Christians in unity with the Assyrian Church of the Eat. For further information that you can follow read this historic book about what I stated above."The Holy Apostolic Catholic Assyrian Church of the East -A Short History written by Professor K. A. Ignatius. (The word "Catholic" here means a Universal Church because it spreads across many continents).
@@WilliamGMalek Assyrian is an ethnicity. The heritage of the Church of the East much beyond that. It encompasses not just Assyrians but Indians, chinese and so on.
Very true, but we have to remember the founders were Assyrians and it was established in the Assyrian holy city of Edessa, with the Assyrian king Abger O'Kama. Notice that the language that was spread to those non-Assyrians in India, and you will understand my conclusion.
It should be saying, while yes the Church of East hold the title Mother of Christ, they still venerate her on high as much as the Catholic, Oriental and Eastern Churches. They agree with the titles prescribed they just do not believe she was Mother of God, but she is the most highly venerated saint in there church
Also, I think it's worth mentioning that the Church of the East was great at evangelizing. They're the reason why those Mongols encountered by Macro Polo already knew Christianity. Some tribes were fully Christian. There are even copies of the New Testament where you can see Hulagu-khan depicted on the cover as the new emperor Constantine. Some even fantasized about a joint Crusade.
@@basedchaldean I'm probably wrong, but I've always understood that Nestorian was applied to the Assyrians but received as an insult by them. Despite the antiquity of this tradition, it remains all but unknown.
@@watcherwlc53Google it, it is a paper that Dr Brock, who is an expert on Syriac Christianity, wrote, it has been published in several academic journals. It is a fascinating piece of writing
Thank you for this video! I will also say that the very ecclesiology of the Assyrian Church of the East (its genesis, development, external perception) is extremely intriguing. It doesn't get much attention compared to the empire-centric models of both Rome and Constantinople, although we could find some curious things there. I mean, if it's the case that there was the same Church of the East back then, their claims were recognized as legitimate (i. e. the claims of supremacy over the East outside of the Pentarchy and the empire), their Christology was to be dealt with, we kind of have to correct a lot in our Church history textbooks. I will be grateful if someone could provide me with a good article / book on their ecclesiological outlook.
Also, I'm aware that there's a very sensitive issue of Syriac / Aramean / Assyrian identity. I would also appreciate some good proven sources on the issue of their ecclesial / national identity in history.
@@Arman-ir1nm Hello! You are correct about the identities, although I must add that there is now also a minority who claim a Chaldean identity. As an Assyrian from the Chaldean Catholic Church, I would be more than willing to answer any questions you may have about these identities and I am able to provide sources to substantiate my answers.
@@basedchaldean Hello, I'm not the same person you made this offer to, but I'm in the process of starting a research project at my university about the historical identity of Middle Eastern Christians before the Crusades, covering their whole culture from identity, architecture, customs, institutions, cuisine, music, and more. I would love absolutely anything you could offer about the Syriac/Assyrian/Aramean identity, including traditions or practices that make you stand out from Arabs, regardless of whether or not they are relevant to religion. If you have any sourcing to corroborate this, that would be great too! It seems surprisingly difficult to find good sources of information for some of this stuff.
Church of the East does not deny the title Mother of God. It's official stance is that only the title Mother of Christ gives the all encompassing meaning. Mother of God simply neglects Jesus's humanity. According to the the Church of the East, Mary is not just the Mother of the Son of God, she's also Mother of the Son of Man.
Thank you for your awesome research. We do not really know all about what St. Nestorius taught or said...but I have some information on my site that might interest you. Again, thanks for all your knowledge. Keep up the good work.
Thank you for the video! I've been confused for a while now on whether they have a unique Canon of scripture - some sources seemed to imply they do, but others seemed to imply they used to but don't anymore.
In addition to the Roman Catholic Deuterocanon, they also accept Third Maccabees, Psalm 151, and the Prayer of Manasseh. Until A. D. 616, they excluded 2nd Peter, 2nd John, 3rd John, Jude, and Revelation from their New Testament.
@@matthewmencel5978 I think you're referring to book VI of _The Jewish War._ It's my understanding that this turns up in some of their Biblical manuscripts, but it's not canonical. There are also some other works that turn up in some of their manuscripts, but those aren't considered canonical either, so I didn't mention them. It's kind of like the situation with 1st & 2nd Esdras & the Prayer of Manasseh in the Latin Vulgate and with 4th Maccabees in the Greek Septuagint.
Our beloved brother Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel put them on the world map in recent years much love and respect from your Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo brother 🙏
I've never really identified as a "Christan", but I have always prayed to the Holy Creator and now I know his name is Jesus Christ. I learned this the hard way by being harassed and attacked by a watcher who really hates me in particular for whatever reason. (I'll forgo the details) Mar Mari Emmanuel is the first bishop who just "clicks" and makes me want to establish a closer relationship to the one we fear and love dearly.
I've found it really difficult to find sources (academic and non-academic) about the Church of the East. Anyone who can help me out with that please feel free to share some resources below! Thanks!
Hey! This is actually my growing area of speciality as a PhD candidate in ANE Archaeology! Check out Christof Baumer’s Book on the church of the East and work by S. P. Brock if you are interested in a good starting point.
The towns of the Nineveh Plain just to the north of Mosul, Iraq are worthy of research in their own right. You may already be well aware of them, but these towns (Al Qosh, Qara Qosh, and others) are sites of a number of their ancient monasteries. Al Qosh for example is the town one of the minor prophets resided in, Nahum and is buried in. His book prophecies the destruction of Nineveh (now Mosul) in vivid detail.
Highly recommend 'Patriarch Shah and Caliph,' which was the Phd thesis of William Young studying in Glasgow. Just checked and you can download this as a pdf. Young was a Church of Scotland ( Presbyterian) missionary in Pakistan. On the formation of the Church of Pakistan ( a union of Presbyterian, Episcopalian, Methodist and Lutheran churches) he became the first Bishop of Sialkot. His work on the Church of the East, which retained a strong missionary mindset despite minority status under Zoroastrian and then Muslim rule, has great relevance to many Christian communities today. I own a rare hard copy printed in Pakistan.
@@sillysyriac8925 I don't know if you'll see this lol, but would you possibly be interested in hopping on a podcast to discuss the church of the east? Some seminary buddies and myself are doing a series through the first seven councils and want to have an episode on what led the East into schism after the 2nd council.
@@GraceforLight I haven't heard the debates. I wouldn't understand the logic of not having them. Our Churches walls are empty. If you walked into a service you would think it's an Orthodox Church that just moved into the building. God willing someday it'll happen. Not sure in my lifetime, however 🤷
@@ponnusdumbiesadikarilla3232 Is it? Then, do me a favor. Take away every picture you have of your family at your house. It's idolatry and it needs to be removed ASAP!
424 AD The Assyrian Church of the East is formally excommunicated from the western Christians. (These “nestorian” Christians separate to survive politically from Zoroastrian Persian persecution in Iraq/Persia and all eastward, since now they were “enemies” of Rome.) This church spreads eastward to convert some Jews in India right away, and by 500 AD to Ceylon, later into Central Asia & 635 into China. c. 600 AD Assyrian Church of East Christian traders visited in Pegu (Burma), Siam, Champa (S Vietnam) & Dai Viet (N Vietnam) - and by 800 AD Java - however no known church from those areas developed. At this time Assyrian Church of East was larger than Arian tribes who controlled Spain, Italy and the Maghreb , than the Miaphysite/Copts from Ethiopia to Armenia, or than the Orthodox Catholic (who were still combined). From Iraq though Central Asia through China and symbols from Church of the East churches have been found in Japan and Korea. But God put in persecution from Taoist emperors in China, by Buddihsts in Japan/Korea, and from Muslims conquered, they were killed by murderous Mongols (even though some Mongols were also Church of the East) like everyone else, hit by Black Death with more persecutions by Muslims (as causing by poisoning the wells), then again severe persecution by muslim Tamerlane. They had shrunk to a remnant. Furthermore, since the 1500s Catholics and later Protestants who found them in China and India tried to "convert the heretics".
The Catholic Church for a while has been trying to unify the Church of the East, Oriental Orthodox Church, and Eastern Orthodox Church with little success as the Church originally was one unified Church. The majority of Eastern Catholic Rites were once Church of the East, Oriental Orthodox Church, and many Eastern Orthodox Church. The Byzantine Churches formally part of the Holy See of Constantinople particularly divided based upon their national identity. Many who still hold a grudge against the Western Church because of the 4th Crusade. It's because of this kind of thinking which leads to hate and the result is division because of pride there can never truly be forgiveness what our Lord Jesus wanted. Protestants also share in this hate for the Catholic Church which is why unity will never be possible. As for schism sometimes this is a good thing even though what resulted in the schism was bad and have no doubt God permits schism to happen for a reason. It's like having an infection of a limb sometimes to save the rest of the body the limb has to be amputated in order to stop the spread of the infection. This gives the rest of the body time to heal itself. I believe that eventually there is going to be a great apostasy which might be happening right now in which many are going to leave Christianity. The multitude of denominations which continues to grow is the sign of the sickness within the Church. In the end only the few who belong to the true Church will remain when our Lord returns to pass His judgment upon the nations. It will only be under sever persecution that the Church will be united until that time comes there will remain division.
Church that believes in doctrine of Baptismal regeneration -Catholic Church -Eastern Orthodox Church -Oriental Orthodox Church -Assyrian Church of the East -Anglican Church -Lutheran Church -Some Methodist Church Church that denies doctrine of Baptismal regeneration and hold doctrine of Salvation by grace through faith alone in Christ alone(Sola Fide) -Baptist Church -Presbyterian Church -Many Evangelical Church -Pentecostal Church -Some Methodist Church
*She is the Mother of God* - Did she create God? *No* Did she begott God? *No* Did she give birth to God in His different form? *Yes* Did she give birth to flesh only or flesh with divinity? *Flesh with Divinity* Then she is the Mother of a Divine being. There is a difference between Creator of God and Mother of God. The problem with denying Mary as Mother of God and affirming Mary to be only the mother of the man Christ Jesus is that in doing so, you invariably either deny the divinity of Christ (as the fourth-century Arians did) or create two persons with regard to Jesus Christ. Both errors result in heresy.
Church of the East does not deny the title Mother of God. It's official stance is that only the title Mother of Christ gives the all encompassing meaning. Mother of God simply neglects Jesus's humanity. According to the the Church of the East, Mary is not just the Mother of the Son of God, she's also Mother of the Son of Man.
Church of the East disagrees with the definitions of the Roman/Byzantine Church of the West because it's christology is vague and brings forward a new and hybrid substance in Jesus by mixing up his divinity and humanity into one hypostasis/substance. This is denying that Jesus is consubstantial to God the father and also to the mankind. The hybrid substance that the Chalcedonian churches and the hybrid substance and hybrid nature that Oriental Orthodoxy brings forward is nothing but a prelude to Apolonarism and Arianism. Both of these ancient heresies denied one or both of Jesus's consubstantiality.
1:55 Armenians have the same custom. And I personally find it very useful. I wonder if this is a Middle Eastern thing though. Or maybe just Eastern: I've heard that some Russian Orthodox parishes also practice common absolution. I'm genuinely curious. Will be glad to hear from others or maybe to get a comparative video essay on this topic.
Anglican also give common absolution during the Eucharist and the Divine Office of Mattin and Evensong. But private confession with absolution (with the attitude of some may, all could, none must) also practice in some high Anglican Church
It may be worth noting that I Nicaea and subsequent Councils excluded large swaths of Christianity: some groups, many but not all of them Gnostic, did not have bishops and so were not invited to attend. It is also worth noting that the men put in charge of organizing Nicaea were staunch followers of Athanasius and arranged to get Arian bishops -- a slightly larger portion of the Christian groups who were invited -- locked out of the proceedings entirely. Thus, the Nicene Council agreed "once and for all time" that the Son was equal to and co-eternal with the Father and rejected Arius' position that only the Father was eternal with the Son being His first creation. Yes, what would become Christian orthodoxy was the direct result of political maneuvering and one-up-manship.
Ain't it something how you don't see any of these churches have problems with venerating saints, sacraments, priesthood etc. until you get to groups with origins after the 1500s... curious that all these groups (Oriental, Assyrian, Orthodox, Roman), despite their long separation from each other, can agree on these points without dispute... And how three of those can agree that the Bishop of Rome is not a necessary feature of the Church. None of these groups have ever attempted to set up a parallel jurisdiction in Rome or appoint some bishop as being over Rome because they believed it to be some sort of necessity... It's almost as if...
Archaeologists recently found an ancient church ruin in Israel, with an inscription asking St Peter for intercession. The church dates to the 5th century.
Very cool. I agree with them on the 'mother of God' title. Just a sign that one bad doctrine will always lead to another bad doctrine and so on. Now I'm going to look them up, and hear more of this point of view from them. Super interesting.
The reason why they reject the title, “Mother of God,” is due to the fact that they inherited Nestorian beliefs which was condemned by the early Church.
The reason why the Church of the East denies the Theotokos label stems from their christology. They believe in a two subject christology whereby the the Word of God and the Son of Man are two distinct persons that come together to form the unified person of Christ.
@@dicknig1054 God as trinity doesn't have a mother: only Jesus Christ does in his incarnation. I think it's more accurate to say Mary is the mother of Jesus Christ who IS God the second person of the trinity.
You forgot one important sacrament: the living Cross is the only symbol that we use for belief and protection. It is the only symbol we claim and that can claim Christianity.
Is it just me that finds it funny that he places orthodox further away from oriental while catholic is right next to the oriental despite Eastern and oriental Orthodox being far closer together theologically? Sorry it's so wordy
There is a small community of Christians in Malabar known as the The Assyrian Church of the East with two Metropolitans ( representing two factions) in the town of Trichur.Mar Aprem is the better known of the two.
Although I no longer have any believe in the traditional view of God, I find the STUDY of the history of traditional religions and denominations very, very interesting. I was once told by a friend that there is no difference in the “GOODNESS” of people whether they believe or do not believe in God, or whether they go to church, or do not go to church. This is an excellent teaching program by this scholar and clergy. RS. Canada
misconception, the [Assyrian] Church of the East was never Nestorian in theology. the Church of the East followed the theology of Theodore of Mopsuestia whom also happened to be the teacher of Nestorius.
The church of the east was established in the first century, it was given recognition in the 4th. Just thought I’d clarify that because the Orthodox Church did not come before the east.
Is their a video on different translations of the Bible? I looked, but it's hard to find videos with the way RU-vid has changed it's display of videos.
There are plenty of such videos--way too many to attempt to even begin a list. As for the Church of the East, they do have their own English translation--sort of. A member of the Church of the East named George Lamsa produced an English translation of the Syriac version of the Bible--but he omitted the extra books from the Old Testament. I'm not sure if the Church of the East holds Lamsa's translation in any higher regard than other English translations, though.
My position is seated with God in heavenly places, I have all spiritual blessings I'm no more a servant but a son, an era of God through Christ I'm at peace with God, I can never be condemned I've been made righteous by he who knew no sin but was made to be sin for me He took my sin and gave me his righteousness I have salvation not probation I've been crucified with him, buried with him, I resurrected with him Baptized in him, was made a new creature Sealed unto the day of redemption I'm complete in Christ!!! Ephesians 2:8-9 - King James Version 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. Romans 2:16 - King James Version 16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. (Paul's Gospel - 1 Corinthians chapter 15 verses 1-4). IT IS FINISHED... Paid in Full !!! But, You Must BELIEVE IT. Source - Bible Study channel - Truth Time Radio - also on youtube.
Anyone get the feeling that all these schisms and denominations formed because they didn't know about existing denominations that hold similar interpretations?
Just to clarify, Roman Catholics do not believe Mary is the mother of Jesus' divinity. neither do the Orthodox. When I refer to Mary as the mother of God I am making a statement about who Jesus is.
Assyrian Church of the East but you put Indian clerics in the thumbnail? Please represent the church with actual Assyrian clergymen. Assyrians are very underrepresented in the media already.
An otherwise informative video which has unfortunately completely omitted Kerala (Thrissur) Assyrian Church of the East that uses the East Syriac Rite and the Liturgy of Sts. Addai and Mari which is closest to the Didache from 90 AD (as opposed to the West Syriac Rite of St. James). They and the Syro-Malabar Church are the original St. Thomas Nasarani Christians of Kerala who stuck with the Eastern Rite after the famous Coonan Cross Oath of 1653. - The Eastern Rite is a particularly powerful rite and even though it lacks the verba or Words of Institution/Consecration, nevertheless the Holy Catholic See in 2001 held the Anaphora of Sts. Addai and Mari to be valid.
The first protestants. I agree with this Orthodox church the most. Unfortunatly most Liturgy is in their native language. We have one in the Netherlands.
And now a day most no main line Protestant dénomination are nestorians. I often talk with evangelical at work and I would say 90% of the evangelical are nestorians.... Denying Theotokos and denying that God died on the cross. I know both dogma need clarification in order to be properly understand but denying Any of the 2 = denying that Jesus is God or is the equivalent to say that Jesus is 2 différent person.. a human person and a Divine person. That's heresy.
To understand the Nestorians, the first thing to pay attention to is their schism with Nicean Christianity. Everything else about their practices developed later in their history.
If only he wasn’t a Nestorian. Please, PLEASE, deny the Nestorian heresy and embrace the Mystery of the Nature of Jesus Christ, both fully God and fully Man from the beginning. With love from a fellow sojourner.
A good presentation. But I would request you to concentrate more on the eastern orthodox oriental orthodox's deep theologies and also focus on their church forefather's mystical teachings and collect more information on their apostolic instead of a bird's eye view. Since, I believe that you will do a great job.