The Atheist Experience 716 with Russell Glasser & Jen Peeples

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The Atheist Experience 716 of July 3, 2011 with Russell Glasser and Jen Peeples.
Jen shows how evidence leads to better conclusions than faith.
SHOW TIME-STAMPS
00:48- Intro & Announcements - Russell Glasser
02:43- Jen Peeples on faith vs. evidence
21:07- Bill (theist): asks what kinds of coffee atheists drink, the Fatima Miracle of the Sun as evidence for God
30:58- Jacob (theist): asks why the hosts don't believe in God, the consequences of not believing, science cannot answer questions about creation
39:40- Von (theist, called in episode 712): asks what reason the hosts have to believe God doesn't exist, absence of evidence cannot disprove God
56:00 Miryam (atheist): has a fundamentalist sister who she wants to maintain a relationship with
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@TheAtheistExperience 4 года назад

21:07- Bill (theist): asks what kinds of coffee atheists drink, the Fatima Miracle of the Sun as evidence for God 30:58- Jacob (theist): asks why the hosts don't believe in God, the consequences of not believing, science cannot answer questions about creation 39:40- Von (theist, called in episode 712): asks what reason the hosts have to believe God doesn't exist, absence of evidence cannot disprove God 56:00 Miryam (atheist): has a fundamentalist sister who she wants to maintain a relationship with

@marsensound 13 лет назад

"The Bible's the book we've had since the beginning of time" Simultaneous "NO IT ISN'T!" I'm glad I wasn't drinking, cause it would have been all over my laptop xD

@raidendaunreal 13 лет назад

31:25 "What are your reasons for not believing in God?" That question made me lol, it's like the caller just discovered the show 2 minutes ago

@Aaberg123 13 лет назад

Jen and Tracy are my favourite hosts. They always seem to clear and thoughout in their arguments. Especially Tracy. Her past as a fundie really helps her a lot.

@bowlsallbroken 13 лет назад

"It's the book we've had since the beginning of time." I suspect this guy is going to continue to be fleeced for the rest of his life.

@ICEDMX1 8 лет назад

Is it just me or does the whole "going to hell" line sounds stupid and primitive ?

@unit0033 7 лет назад

it absolutely does, like a childs book with monsters in it lol

@TerribilisScriptor 7 лет назад

it is. its a primitive mechanism of threat and induction of fear for protection from other ideas..

@larjkok1184 4 года назад

You really have to ask?

@jeffreycoogan09 9 лет назад

The Bhagavad Gita is a far older book then the Bible.

@marshallfox6311 8 лет назад

"My God is infinitely immaterial!" That would mean utterly without existence...everywhere at every time.

@unit0033 7 лет назад

yes a good example of the babble they come out with to explain their sky daddy lol

@Gorattin 13 лет назад

the other day a collegue said the adam and eve fairy tale was part of our history....i laughed at him so hard that i fell of my chair and hurt my head; totally worth it :D

@yillow1 13 лет назад

Kind of wish Matt fielded some of the questions. Especially that caller that thought the bible was the oldest book. Jen and Russell are good, but Matt can make his points so crisp and clear.

@Game-Geki 13 лет назад

Honestly, the show needs to be 30mins longer. Otherwise when you have a long presentation at the start like there was in this episode it only really leaves time for about 2 or 3 decent length calls.

@stuboy261 11 лет назад

Ultimate interaction, which is indestinguishable from no interaction, which is indestinguishable from non existence.

@stuboy261 11 лет назад

Anything you assess is something that is impossible to sit on the fence about because regardless of the answer or which way the information points or how much information we have, we never have it all and it always points in one direction or the other direction.

@TheRationalizer 13 лет назад

@robsonborgesdasilva8 Questions for you 1: Who made the lake? 2: Who decided the rules for who goes into the lake? 3: Who made humans exactly the way we are?

@TheGuinnessboys 13 лет назад

i respect these people because they ask questions and think instead of just impulsively say "Theres a God!" and "No there not a God" more power to people who search for knowledge.

@TheRationalizer 13 лет назад

@robsonborgesdasilva8 How can god have a problem that needs fixing? I thought god was all powerful and all knowing?

@TheRationalizer 13 лет назад

@robsonborgesdasilva8 1: What kind of an entity creates a lake of fire for the purpose of torturing people, a good one or an evil one? 2: What kind of an entity sets impossibly high rules to ensure we all go into that lake? 3: What kind of an entity then makes humans incapable of not breaking the rules thus predestining us all to eternal torture?

@Jaybird196 13 лет назад

Thank you Jen and Russell defined what the show means by positive atheism, as a phrase :) . I actually intended to ask about that today.

@nfrick1 4 года назад

Unless Fátima has its own sun, that "miracle" should have been seen at all around the world (except, of course, where it was night or cloudy). Assuming that that miracle really happened, didn't God have anything more useful to do to prove his existence instead of just moving the sun? Just asking...

@SJWCorser 11 лет назад

The key word is "based". Meaning as we discover more and explore more, what Jenn (and most atheists) believes will take that into consideration. Atheism is the default position, you can be agnostic and atheist at the same time...

@montrealfilmguy 9 лет назад

Oh that Jacob caller,man.

@RikWills 13 лет назад

"That god would know exactly what it took to convince me and would present me with that evidence"... Fucking perfect answer!

@flake452 13 лет назад

Freeing them of their faith, not robbing them of it.

@Quintinohthree 13 лет назад

What, no after show? We got that for Mark but not for Miryam?

@marcowargamer 11 лет назад

sure, scientists still have not figured out everything about the origin of this universe, or what was before, or if it makes sense to think of a before, or what is the totality of all that exists, etc. That being conceded, I fail to see what your point is. Let's imagine that EVERYTHING we know about the origin of the universe is showed to be false; how would that make the miracle of the Sun (or any other supernatural claim) any more real? What would that prove?

@chadwick0091 13 лет назад

the guy from Louisiana is the same guy that called in on episode 697. furthermore, i think it's hilarious how they get sooo many theist callers when Matt isn't hosting. coincidence? i don't think so.

@tomvalentino8802 8 лет назад

if the sun moved on it's own wouldn't it be better to worship the sun itself. also. didn't thr girls at Fatima say they were abducted by aliens?

@aaron6431 11 лет назад

WIthout looking into it. Which is also testament to learning how to use the internet.

@LazlowHP 11 лет назад

"When you have evidence, you don't need faith." - it's very sad how that works the other way around as well.

@TheRationalizer 13 лет назад

@N0tsaved Is he a troll? Thanks for letting me know.

@stuboy261 11 лет назад

Please do. I think what we need to establish is what you think is required in order to make a decision and if that is even possible.

@xxFortunadoxx 13 лет назад

Traci is without a doubt, the best host because she doesn't deride the caller even when they are extremely hostile.

@hardinmichael1981 12 лет назад

Questions I wish they had asked Jacob: 1: WHY does non-belief merit eternal torment in hell? 2: How do we go about figuring out the natural world? Why didn't Isaac Newton (who was devoutly, even fanatically, religious) consult the bible to explain gravity or the motion of the planets?

@brucecorte2919 10 лет назад

The TV thing would be quite convincing, especially if some of the sets that came on were sets that normally wouldn't function, say for example they weren't plugged in, or key components in them had failed and these failures had been diagnosed by an electronic technician prior to the event, or they came on during a power outage when no other electronic or electric device could

$@CrimsonRefractions$

@CrimsonRefractions 13 лет назад

Also about the absence of evidence: scientifically it's never evidence of absence. There's just no reason to accept ANY claim when given no evidence for it. That it might be possible is not a reason. There are countless impossible claims that have no evidence against them either. If you want to know whether what you think is true, evidence is the only way.

@pdoylemi 11 лет назад

New life is created everyday. Every offspring is slightly different from its parents. Over time, these slight differences can become huge differences by selecting for the positive survival benefits among these. YOU were new life when you were born.

@tedgrant2 6 лет назад

So some stories in the Bible are partially supported by non-biblical sources and some details can be shown to be likely made up, presumably to add drama to the stories. Today I lost my mobile phone, then after looking around my house, I found it under a magazine. Is that a miracle? By the way, I've got a pet tadpole in a bowl. I put a rock in the bowl to add interest. If I blow gently on the surface of the water, the tadpole quickly hides under the rock and won't come out for several minutes. It is obviously conscious of it's environment and experiences fear and intelligence. I don't think it worships me.

@JustinJustice22 13 лет назад

That was a great caller. I like to use the phrase gnostic and agnostic atheist, as some people think weak atheist means apologetic which it does not. I consider myself an agnostic atheist that thinks its highly unlikely that a religion invented by humans with no evidence happened to guess something so outlandish in such a primitive time and was insanely lucky and got it right.

@angeloiannitelli6589 Год назад

If the sun zigzaged wouldn't half the planet have seen it, not just a group of people hoping to see a miracle?

@PantsBeOnTheGround 12 лет назад

I love Sean Connery's response of have you ever seen your brain?

@stuboy261 11 лет назад

That would be the point of holding an undertone basis of agnosticism, that is remaining humble and open to the possibility of being wrong in spite of all we know. But we can know things to a high degree of likelihood to inform beliefs and expectations. If we couldnt assess this then it would be impossible to function because there would be no difference between leaving your house by the front door or the window on the third floor.

@0okamino 9 лет назад

_"I've researched..."_ Well, Jacob, from listening to your arguments and the fact that you aren't even aware of Pascal's Wager, you must not have researched very much. This is like saying "I took a bath" when all you really did was splash a little water on your hands and face, if even that much.

@joshs5386 8 лет назад

random post. the ad that started before this video was an ad for the Mormons on religious freedom.

@anarchy9176 8 лет назад

yh happens, they specifically ask to target these types of audience

@stuboy261 11 лет назад

This is a point of confusion for a lot of people because the only thing that makes you not an atheist is to be a theist. To believe it makes you a theist To not believe it makes you an atheist To not believe it but non not believe it still makes you an atheist You dont believe because you dont know. not knowing is still not believing.

@dfdtdfdx 13 лет назад

Pragmatism has an answer for this religion vs science discourse. There is no point in asking whether a religion, or even a science, represents reality, either mental reality or physical reality, accurately. For pragmatists, not only a bad question, but the root of much wasted philosophical energy. The right question to ask is, "For what purposes would it be useful to hold that religion and or science?" :)

@travisruffolo8756 11 лет назад

Then write it up, get it peer reviewed and collect your Nobel prize.

@stuboy261 11 лет назад

It is the most juvenile response to the most simple of questions. It just shocks me how it is so accommodated in society when it comes to religion, claiming the same sorts of things in any other area of discourse people would be laughed at and told to seek mental help. Maddeningly annoying is an understatement.

@mnkittel 13 лет назад

@thewayofthecookie - It means that you can't have an official state church, like Britain does. It means the government cannot prohibit any religion from being practiced (except to the extent it is clearly harmful to the lives of others), cannot require that any public office holder be subject to any religious test, and cannot promote particular religions.

@kolelotomi 9 лет назад

Guys where is episode 715? i cant bingewatch this without all episodes i mean cmon. :D

@BaldBearded101 10 лет назад

Evidence is subjective? FUCKING NO!

@Desertphile 13 лет назад

At time stamp twenty minutes, the statement was made that the Assyrians lost. The Assyrians won: Hezekiah surrendered and paid a massive tribute, and 2 Kings lied about it. Jerusalem was put under an Assyrian governor.

@KindOfAnxious 12 лет назад

I love Jen's 'skeptic' face-expression. Absolutely priceless.. It should be framed.

@xd1rtx 13 лет назад

@1ND1G0O its not always at el arroyo, it used to be at threadgills, the reason why they don't change everytime is to maintain some consistency, that way, if you don't catch the show you can still have an idea of where the afterparty is

@frozenbinarystudio 11 лет назад

For everything to be expanding away from each other, there would have needed to be an origin point somewhere. Its a very reasonable assumption. Where matter comes from is another question, one that does not have any answers YET. The Big Bang need not rely on where matter comes from, we do not concern ourselves with things that cannot be proven through evidence.

@alexicoff 13 лет назад

Studying astrophysics here. His claim that Inflation has no evidence is outrageous and wrong. Inflation makes predictions that have been confirmed by WMAP to within several decimal places, predictions about the isotropy and angular correlation, and prediction about primordial abundance of elements that has been confirmed to within less than a percent.

@martinbondesson 13 лет назад

Man, I just love all the hosts of the show. To me, they're like Rockstars.

@RoganJericho 11 лет назад

We all look forward with hope of finding Dragon Planet That's cool thanks. I've spent the best part of a year now, studying my own beliefs (originally theist) and changing many of them. I have seen as many arguments as possible from both sides but have seen undeniable repetition of evidential science, and rational views of the origins of religion, against institutions struggling to bend their ancient dogma to match reality. Anything good enough to convince me now would be announced worldwide :D

@stuboy261 11 лет назад

Empirical means (essentially) to know. Agnosticism means unable to know or unable to know until we have more knowledge. Though i can see you interpret that to mean we cant know until we have more knowledge, you seem to be missing the fact that no matter how much knowledge we do have, that statement can still be made. Thus the meaning becomes we can only know, when we know everything, which we cant know.

@pittsdriver5265 9 лет назад

There's no "d" in the word important (finger nails on blackboard).

@mnkittel 11 лет назад

"it relies on a extraordinary experience which is the extraordinary evidence" - That is incorrect. It makes no difference how extraordinary a personal experience is, it remains "personal" by definition and therefore cannot be verified by another person. That immediately makes it insufficient as "evidence" no matter how extraordinary you may think it is.

@robvlob 13 лет назад

@FoxBatinaHat Adding to your point. Weather has been a conqueror of military forces also, a natural occurrence which has also been claimed to be of a divine intervention. It can be argued that these events that affect these forces are more common than with civilian populations. There are cases in which this would be true, but that doesn't mean a deity picked a side and is the cause of the event. The reality is its more likely you will die of a disease or disaster with a higher exposure to it.

@stuboy261 11 лет назад

Saying you dont know is lack of belief (because you dont believe) Saying you dont know but you might know in the future (as i stated earlier is a statement that can be made no matter how much you know)

@stuboy261 11 лет назад

I know im repeating myself here as you havent read my recent posts yet but we can never have 100% knowledge because there are things that if we didnt know then we wouldnt know that we didnt know them and as such we have to keep an undertone of agnosticism no matter the odds as we can never have complete certainty.

@tjooskar 13 лет назад

I live in Sweden, and about 70 % of our population are members of the Chruch of Sweden. Out of these 6,6 million people, about 2 % regulary attend to Sunday services or are active in some other way in church. Most of my friends are either agnostics or atheists, but they're still member of the church. The thing is that everyone born before year 2000 are automatically member of the church. Swedes are to indifferent to leave the church, even if they have no such faith.Great place for an atheist tho

@moonlightavenger 13 лет назад

Just like I like to say: no BS survives careful scrutiny and study.

@Kailoa36 12 лет назад

Jacob: Why don't you believe one the them (holy books) that convinces you? Bingo! You finally asked the right question. None of the holy books or other mythologies convince me of the existence of any gods. That's one of many reasons I'm an atheist.

@stuboy261 11 лет назад

If nothing in reality can change your belief then your belief isnt based in reality.

@KokotTheMonkey 13 лет назад

This is like an Abbott & Costello routine.

@matereymate 13 лет назад

@PenthouseDiaries okay here are mine 1.) jeff/matt (sorry can't decide, both are great debaters and make me laugh for one reason or another) 2.) russel (when he is a bit sarcastic and to the point he is great) 3.) Jen (she is calm and rational but sometimes misses the obvious answer) 4.) Martin (he is a fast thinker) 5.) Traci (she's sometimes a great debater, but also very passive) 6.) don (rather see him on the non prophets)

@pdoylemi 11 лет назад

Professor Auguste Meessen of the Institute of Physics, Catholic University of Leuven, stated sun miracles cannot be taken at face value and that the reported observations were optical effects caused by prolonged staring at the sun. Meessen contends that retinal after-images produced after brief periods of sun gazing are a likely cause of the observed dancing effects. Similarly Meessen states that the color changes witnessed were most likely caused by the bleaching of photosensitive retinal cells

@stuboy261 11 лет назад

What you are describing and the position you are describing it from would suggest that the position we should have about all things is agnosticism regardless of the presence or the absence of evidence. By the way, you know that atheism and theism go to what you believe where as gnosticism and agnosticism go to what you know right? so you can be an agnostic theist or an agnostic atheist.

@Kailoa36 12 лет назад

Caller Von implied that there may one day be scientific evidence for God. The time to accept such evidence is when it is presented, not before. Science, and skeptics, do not consider evidence on speculation.

@anarchy9176 8 лет назад

i always thought you guys meant positive atheism as in showing that we are ''good'' people and not all ''sinners'' xd

@mrblank-zh1xy 12 лет назад

By UFO I don't necessarily mean "Aliens". It could have been any number of astronomical or geological phenomena. The descriptions of the event are so varied and so colored by religious dogma, it's difficult to imagine anything else.

@xMidnightwhite 12 лет назад

I read a bumper sticker the other day that read, "God is pro-life!" I stood there a moment and thought to myself, "Why would he give us free will if he wasn't pro-choice?" Are we not suppose to use our free will? And how do we know if God is pro-life or not? Logically it seems like God doesn't have an opinion either way on this issue, I don't think it's covered in any holy rhetoric.

@GalapagosPete 13 лет назад

@Redfingers If something has to be qualified to the point where it cannot be shown *not* to exist - not only by having special characteristics preventing detection (say, by putting it millions of miles away) but, in the case of the Christian god, by adding a requirement that it must be believed in *before* it can even be subjectively experienced - then it is perfectly reasonable to take the position that it does not, in fact, exist.

@feydrautha012 11 лет назад

I see the following line of thinking from theists a lot: You have a position on the existence of God(s), therefore you are making a positive claim, therefore you must prove god doesn't exist, I'm going to define god as something that has no possible evidence for it, and absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. Zing!

@neverfearchrisishere 13 лет назад

@BraunBrothers evidence of absence = No evidence of presence. QED. Fundemental logic : If A is a true false statement then the inverse of A == not A.

@TheLuckySaGe 13 лет назад

@nontheistdavid You have to define what your talking about before you try to prove it. How the heck would you know what your proving if you didn't define specifically what you are talking about? No, defining god fist to prove god is not circular reasoning, and I am not sure you know what begging the question is.

@thewayofthecookie 13 лет назад

@ActuallyLiam Never once saw any claim in the bible that says the earth is a certain age. I must of missed that part. It's also strange that word "Earth" was actually a new name for what this planet is called, while earth was used to be called dirt/dust and rocks. "World" was used not just to be a planet, but a place on the planet.

@stuboy261 11 лет назад

The assertion is being made now based on the evidence we have now and can only presently be responded to based on the evidence we have now If the evidence we have now which the belief is built on is insufficient to make the assertion of belief, then not to believe the assertion because there is not evidence to demonstrate it is logical. That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

@Ital21 13 лет назад

@djbiggs174 The other problem I see with your last comment is this: "Christians don't see ourselves as religious" Because it's obviously a generalization. Maybe YOU don't see yourself as religious, but many others do. Dogma is present and there are fundamentalists popping up everywhere, knocking on doors, entering University campuses uninvited, and basically forcing their beliefs on everyone else WITHOUT considering that those beliefs might be wrong with respect to reality and nature.

@jmisic 12 лет назад

I love the atheist experience. I used to be a christian for over 25 years. Thank goodness I came to my senses. I´m looking forward to life without the ton of bricks that christian moral represents. Merry christmas all you atheists out there. And to you christians; there is no need to fear life. It´s fully possible to live without superstition, which christianity actually is. Fear of going to hell is bad for you. Christian moral is bad for you.

@maxbenser8210 5 лет назад

THE LOGIC AND LAW OF JACOB!!! 17 except the tree which brings knowledge of good and evil; if ever thou eatest of this, thy doom is death.

@williambeckett6336 Месяц назад

"Science cannot answer these questios!" Well neither can or does religion. What religion gives you is not answers, it gives you REPLIES. Replies it ensures you are true, you are not to investigate and how dare you even ask.

@sunfireThu 13 лет назад

The way I see it, it doesn't matter whether someone is a "weak" or a "strong" atheist. I mean, why the differentiation of the two when the word "agnostic" essentially means someone who is not fully committed to the atheist position? Apart from judging who is the physically stronger one between two atheists, I don't see why there is a need to use these two adjectives to describe a person's atheistic position.

@stuboy261 11 лет назад

The point of it is that if you are willing to continually say that god might be real and we just dont have the knowledge to prove it yet..... then as we can never know everything that becomes something that can be said indefinitely. And as we cant prove a negative we are never allowed (based on your stance) to say that we dont believe, regardless of how much we do know.

@stuboy261 11 лет назад

Being agnostic is a redundant state because agnostic just means that we cannot know anything to a 100% certainty. i.e. everyone should be agnostic about everything at all times. We can only know something to a high degree of likelihood to inform our beliefs because we can never really know anything. There is no difference between positive atheism and positive a-fairy-ism. It is just a point of contention to theists who dont like the likelihood of their deity to be represented this way.

@thewayofthecookie 13 лет назад

@mnkittel so who is promoting their church? and before getting into speculation or conspiracy theories. Is their one political person saying their in office for the church, such in a way that it is like lobbying?

@maxbenser8210 5 лет назад

2 CHR. 15:13. said to us all! Luke 19:27. or Matthew 18:6., John 15:5-6.

@stuboy261 11 лет назад

The point of it is that if you didnt know something then you wouldnt know that you didnt know it and as such you would never be able to say that you know everything. This is where the empiricism part falls down. No matter how much you know there could always be something that you dont know and you dont know that you dont know so you can never get past agnosticism to know something empirically which is why i said it is a contradiction in terms.

@Elitistb616 13 лет назад

After reading the event in wikipedia, sounds like the Fatima miracle of the sun was them just seeing your average everyday UFO.

@YourFaceWillDie468 12 лет назад

There is in fact new life being created every day.

@stuboy261 11 лет назад

I understand what you are saying but a position is taken be it theism, atheism or empirical agnosticism as a result of making an assessment. You cannot determine that your position is neutral regarding it unless you have made an assessment of it. Empirical agnosticism means that an assessment has been made of the knowledge that we have and has determined that we dont have enough knowledge to have a position. The knowledge that we do have would still indicate which is more likely.

@jeff6660 9 лет назад

Unless you yourself are omniscient you could never know if you were being fooled by a powerful alien, or "The Shadow" for example, with his ability to cloud mens minds.

@ricardovonkrypton8908 8 лет назад

The Shadow knows!

@shredder767 13 лет назад

Why do we even argue with creationists? They have a doctrinaire adherence to religion, that even evidence cannot counter. Unfortunately Aristotle was right because he said that people value arguments by faith rather than logic.

@Rayzersword 13 лет назад

@buttface112211 no. i am quite familiar with the doppler effect and i was not referring to that at all. the doppler effect is used to prove the universe is expanding, but it does NOT prove that the early inflationary period actually happened. looking back on my notes from astronomy, the reason the inflationary period is believed ny astronomers to have happened is that it is the only model which explains the isotropy problem and the flatness problem.

@stuboy261 11 лет назад

This is explained to the caller at 52:20

@commando0062 13 лет назад

does this stll come on? if so can i watch it if i live in arkansas and have direct tv? when does it come on?

@zeldaofarel 13 лет назад

This is so educational! BTW, there is a video out there that explains the 6000-year-old Earth thing. It's counted out based on things. Anyway, just because some of the history is accurate, it doesn't mean the whole things is true. The Bible is about 1700-years-old, not 2000.