@@EvonneMoorewhy would God punish businessmen for making money? That isn't a sin is it? Doesn't everybody do whatever they can to sell high and buy low? I think it's a hitjob
It's called coincidence. I don't think anyone has the power to whistle up a gargantuan storm when it's convenient. And if you think 'god did it' you are just daft.
To clarify a bit on this video - Mike beat the case in the States - the civil and the criminal case. It is only the UK case(s) that are currently pending. People have committed murder for 5💶. We are talking about $8 billion here, 8 billion from 13 years ago - which would be worth around $20 billion now, on top of the lost market capitalization for HP. As HP would have been the first to offer services that are now predominantly covered by Amazon's AWS - 4 years earlier - a best guess estimate would add about $50 billion + in additional loss of potential profit. Black Rock and Vanguard were substantial holders of HP stock and actually increased their existing holdings by 14% & 18% respectively within the 4 months before and immediately following the acquisition of Mike's company. Not only did Mike and his daughter perish in the boat - so did both of his attorneys...just a couple of weeks after his partner was 'tragically' and 'accidentally' killed. Both the U.S. criminal and civil cases have been sealed - just weeks after closure. All the discovery documents and proceedings are forever locked away from public access - no case law or legal precedent can or ever will be drawn from either case. During the 3 days of diving on the wreck of the boat - there was not one mention of the damage to the boat that actually caused it to sink - only the interior debris field that made recovery of the bodies difficult. His partner was already dead in an accident (note that no charges were filed in that accident), Mike was gathered in a place of relative safety on an incredibly well engineered boat with his family and legal team - and now they all have also suffered a 'tragic' accident - meaning they can't speak on the details of the sealed proceedings either. Billions of lost dollars and all the people and legal documents related to that loss are literally gone. (My sincerest and deepest condolences to Mike's wife and surviving family 🙏) Way, way too much convenient 'coincidence' here.
well documented that thesecret service agents of mi5 and mi6 do it through cars. they are trained to do it. john hopkins,ex mi5 agent, confessed on his deathbed to being instructed to carry out the hit on diana and drove the fiat car in the tunnel in paris that caused the crash. he was directed by philip schleswig holstein sondenberg. Its also worth noting that 6 months prior to this that camillas car engine is said to have 'mysteriously' exploded when she was in the car, at the time when charles had impregnated 'royal' nanny tiggy legge bourke.. it has also been reported that mi6 had deployed on that 'unsuccessful' job that camilla escaped from. And lets not forget the former mi5 agents who disposed of young boys on ted heaths yacht-who had been raped and were dumped in the sea as part of their 'duties'.
He didn't fall of a boat. The whole 300 foot yacht was overturned by a freak storm. You have to be really conspiracy minded to believe any government can generate freak weather events that kill certain people and not others on the same boat.
@gzk6nk The easiest way is the rig the belts so they won't clip. Most people give up after trying twice. As for the driver being drunk, there's video of him bending over just before they left, he looks fine. The theory is the blood sample was a suicide victim, the blood also had enough CO2 to render him unconscious.
I am amazed that some vengeful group can call up a waterspout at 4 in the morning to get even with a shady billionaire. Shit happens, to quote Forrest Gump.
@stephfoxwell4620 You've done the calculations, have you ? Can you explain precisely WHO is supposed to have murdered these people and WHY ? Also what exact motive and benefit would they derive from it ? Arranging hits, let alone arranging a water spout typhoon and a heatwave in Sicily takes some SERIOUS planning.
@@AndriyValdensius-wi8gw No. I simply worked out the approximate chance of two multimillionaire business partners dying in freak accidents within 48 hours of each other. I made no speculation beyond that.
Lynch and Chamberlain were found not guilty by a jury/juries in San Francisco. Two aspects of this case mystify me: Firstly, the behaviour of Hewlett Packard, which makes me think of corporate mismanagement, and scondly the ludicrous extradition treaty which David Blunkett "negotiated", which only seems to work in favour of the US. The Lynch-Chamberlain case could have been tried entirely in the UK.
I do sympathise with HP on this. They paid good money but were sold a dog. This is the unfortunate face of the British tech industry. It is nasty, dishonest and thinks everyone owes it a living for creating no more than BS and sharp suits.
Well said! Why countries comply to the US extradition requests when the US refuse to extradite any US citizen, beggars belief. Surely this policy should be reciprocal. Secondly, however powerful the CIA are, creating a tornado is probably beyond even their limits. Condolences to the families, may the deceased rest in peace🙏🏽
But at 56ish metres and with an [albeit aluminium/light] mast height in excess of 71metres then, add 'waterspouts' and wild storm conditions AND you've 'dropped the hook' (aka anchor) THEN you have a sure recipe for DISASTER....and I speak with 8 years of long bygone seafaring experience.
@@biggerthanacadillac It is odd that the divers said there were several electrical cables on the bridge. I wonder if they were shore supply through a buoy?
I think my cat may be involved in this tragedy. He looked really Guilty when it was on the news. The same look he had on his face after he pissed on my headphones.
Says what all? It's irrelevant. He was an academic who built up a medium sized IT company, but seems to have acquired a dodgy accountant. Not the first time. Not his fault.
@@GaiusSonofGermanicus I fully understand one being pissed at climate deniers and their cynicism but Steph has got it right. The sinking of that yacht was allegedly caused be a freak waterspout which used to be pretty rare but increasingly frequent because of the heating of the shallow Med. That's how the reporting went.
well mighty God, if u can tell me how a mini tornado over the ocean at 3am was faked, which flipped a yacht, im all ears. And the storm was confirmed locally. And the killers were so nasty they killed Lynchs 18 yr old daughter, collateral damage i presume. He also did not fall overboard, he was found drowned in his cabin. Many wealthy criminals, and i suspect Lynch was deemed one, go through the same process but dont get mysteriously killed. Its all conjecture. Many vacuous people involved in the legal case in US would view this as justice, but it was purely fate, a fate his daughter, or the other deceased, did not deserve at all.
Unexplained multi-billion pound write-downs are renowned for making luxury yachts unstable. It made Robert Maxwell's yacht so unstable that he accidentally fell overboard during the night. It's a known phenomenon.
Way WAY W A Y too coincidental! Two freaky 1 in a million chance deaths, occurring not only to the 2 co defendants, but on the same day just days after their acquittal…. Oh and their lawyer who got them off was also killed on the boat !
I'm the furthest from a conspiracy theorist you’ll find on the internet, but just like you, my spidey senses are tingling, what are the chances of both of them popping their clogs
So the CIA / FBI / the Freemasons / Illuminati / WEF / the Rothschilds / Hewlett Packard / The Labour Party, (please select favourite conspiratorial suspect as appropriate,) managed to whip up a small typhoon off the Sicilian coast, and using their powers of prophesy knew precisely when to do it and who would survive ? It's pretty skilful of them at the very least.
The weirdest part is that my local newspaper reported on this happening and kind of just stated all these dudes drowned during their victory lap on a boat and ‘oh one of them wasnt on the boat but he was jogging and got hit and killed by a car at the time’ nothing weird at all, end if article. This is exactly why I never again will believe a word these people write.
Not sure where you’re getting your information from - Stephen Chamberlain was VP, not CFO (the CFO Sushovan Hussain was actually convicted and imprisoned for the Autonomy/HP fraud, so fraud was involved). Mike Lynch and Stephen Chamberlain managed to get acquitted in a separate trial, the trial’s finished so there’s no issue or any proceedings. If anything the yacht trip was organised by him to celebrate his trial success with his lawyers and friends who were involved - so this theory about legal challenges doesn’t exist.
Thanks good information! There is also theory of revenge and another of secret services (the company made finger print recognition) both of which are still upheld despite your good information.
I'm a yank that never heard of the guy, his company, or the court case with HP and I'm surprised because i like that kind of stuff. Anyway if he got acquitted after the dishonorable and corrupt dirty tricks FBI and DOJ went after him in court he has to be really innocent.
He was expecting to get 20 years. Another person from the company got 5 years for fraud. He was guilty, but £800 million gets you a good lawyer. He even said himself, it was his money that spared him.
Considering how it takes relatively little money to have someone “bumped off” it is always worth a second look. That being said, there’s an awful lot of witnesses to this accident!
The more witness,s the better ,they can be fooled ,and the volume of witness,s makes the concoction of conflicting evidence helpful in muddying the waters ,quite literally
@@davidwilliams5124 That’s a good point. It certainly seems to have more questions as the days go by. I was looking at some of the RU-vid channels that focus on these super yachts, and they all have no answers as to why this yacht would sink. Let’s see what happens with this “accident” .
@@calderjack7818 100% you are still plugged into the Matrix, happily being spoonfed your sugary sweet concoction to keep you zoned out and complying. Look deeper.
Are we turning Prof into a thinking man or woman's sex symbol. My son rather thinks Iam watching Father Christmas out of season. Then he is only five and half.
as a person of who spent 20 years at sea when i heard this story and seen the yacht i thought there could be issues didnt think i would end up hearing this story.
You're talking about the trial as if it were still ongoing? I thought they were cleared of all charges by a jury in June. My understanding is they were all on the yacht to celebrate the victory, along with many of the team involved in the trial after their ten year battle. Makes it all the more tragic and very strange circumstances, along with his vice president also dying in a completely separate incident the same week! Sad for all involved.
very strange the bbc reported this as him celebrating his acquittal - which happened in june in the US - in august then this happens as if we’ve to infer greedy billionaire celebrates stealing & gets his comeuppance? very strange reporting on this & how come not 1 other boat was effected
Yachts of that size can handle any weather in a bay , To be laid on its side & sink I find incredulous UNLESS there was an outside force , Very strange . Like to here the skippers take on this ' accident' ?
Inside force were the crew opening all the portholes so boat fills with water and the unsinkable sinks..strange that all the crew got out and only managed to save the young married couple with the baby…this boat was scuppered
"No other boat was affected." So what ? Your point is what exactly ? Years ago I was on a sailing boat in the Solent with a (sketchy) sailing school. The sailing yacht was an second hand Contessa. We were caught in a bit of a squall and the main mast just crashed into the sea. While I cowered in the corner, as a complete novice, ("we're all going to die, we're doomed"), the superheroes on board leaped into action and managed to cut the mast loose, having the presence of mind to attach a beacon to it. We motored back to Southampton. The mast was later recovered. That night in the pub, there was talk about "Arthur Daley Yacht Brokers Ltd. Lovely boat. One careful lady owner, etc. (It WAS the 80s.) We were the only ones it happened to on that day. At no point were the CIA / MI5 / the Illuminati / Rothschilds etc involved. Accidents happen. Masts DO occasionally fall off boats into the sea. I was on the boat when it happened.
Small but powerful waterspouts have been known in the area for a long time. Dante actually describes one in _The Inferno_ which "struck the forepart of the ship and the prow went down", showing how small it was at sea level.
@EbenBransome Quite. "Sea monsters" are also described by Livy off the Sicilian coast, on the Tunisian side. When the Roman fleet was wrecked by storms during the Second Punic War, many Roman crewmen were eaten by the "sea monsters." For many years, it was thought that Livy was telling "fisherman's" stories. It was only fairly recently discovered that there's a colony of Great White Sharks between Tunisia and south west Sicily.
Well, there was another vessel skippered by a German. He was interviewed on television and it was he and his crew who picked up the 15 in the life raft. He said that he put his vessel under motor to ride the weather which would be the standard practice. The stricken boat was "behind" his before the squall and was not there when the squall was over. Squall is my word, not the description used by those who endured it. Lots to find out still but until Mr. lynch's body is found I would not rule anything out.
It is both tragic and a massive coincidence that both subjects should die within a few days and less than a month after being exonerated in the USA. One cannot but be suspicious as to whether such a coincidence is likely to be down to pure chance. As a minimum, the British authorities should be investigating any links with Hewlett Packard and indeed having expert damage assessments made on the sunken yacht. There is probably nothing, but it should be ruled out properly as there are literally billons of Pounds involved and money does incredible things to people and organisations. Certainly a discreet investigation by UK security should be done and any results made public.
As you mentioned, the uk government was involved in a conspiratorial manner in the post office scandal, words are important and the correct terms should be applied
It always puzzles me why some one with a company that has so much potential and wealth for the future. Would want to over price the valuation of hi# company. How rich do people want to be?
You aught really to get you facts right, before slandering dead people. Autonomy was a publicly listed company with a valuation determined by the markets. Autonomy was not put up for sale, but it was HP who made the approach and bid for the company. On 18 August 2011, Hewlett-Packard announced that it would purchase Autonomy for US$42.11 per share with a premium of around( 79% ) over market price that was widely criticised as "absurdly high". HP cocked up and then tried to pin it on Lynch, who was cleared of all charges by US juries.
These trials have highlighted a well-known reality, neither judges, nor attorneys, nor police, nor jury members have sufficient knowledge of corporate practices and policies to understand these classes of cases both in England and in the US. Indeed, if an individual with the appropriate and informed background, training, familiarity and expertise was called upon for jury service, they would not be selected, they would be anathema to both defence and prosecution. In these circumstances, acquittal is the odds on outcome and defendants continue to appeal until a favourable outcoming is achieved. These cases are complex, they require more than an amicus curiae; they also require specialist juries made up of people with appropriate backgrounds. Given their charge out rates these would be the most expensive trials in history.
Apparently it was a large waterspout/mini tornado. There were apparently a number of other boats that had serious difficulties in staying afloat in that same area.
So your suggesting that most conspiracy theories are true even when they have a competing & opposing basis. Everything is true even when it isn't. Unfortunately the truth is usually more mundane & plain boring than most conspiracy theories....that's why people want to believe the conspiracies. Academic books are usually so darn boring....even Prof Tim likes a good work of fiction (so it seems).
@@AndriyValdensius-wi8gw I was being entirely facetious. Yes. I presume this was an appalling weather related accident. But that won't stop the conspiracy theorists.
If something is not right here I truly hope their is a full investigation into it I am so sorry all these peoples life’s were lost especially the young girl who had so much life in front of her
Professor T. Wilson explains; 'I don't like conspiracies.' Well, that rather puts a very low ceiling on your capacity to be able to understand the real world. Not liking conspiracies is like saying, 'I don't like organised crime, or pedophile rings, or drug smuggling operations or secret intelligence using organised crime to solve difficult problems.' Why bother looking at the world with a 'dislike' of one of the fundamental methods we humans ALL use to get what we want?
I don't see how disliking conspiracies limits one's capacity to understand the real world? Just because you dislike something doesn't mean you are disregarding it as being a thing. I don't particularly like the idea of organised crime, but i'm not going to deny it exists.
@@robertdewar1752 Er....well. I don't think we completely disagree. I took '....dislike conspiracy...' to mean something like '....dislike conspiracies as a means of explaining.......' . The thing about a conspiracy, or a fraud for example; is that they are explicitly designed to look like something else. ie a 'freak' weather event, or maybe a 'lone gunman with no social media'. If we 'dislike' conspiracies as a possible explanation, we might be simply unable to identify them even when they are pretty obvious. Falling back on 'coincidence' or 'bad luck' as explanations. That's my view. Cheers.
Well, the UK shareholders were obviously happy with it (I don't know how the shareholders were distributed by company/nation at the time of sale). How can the "the UK" tell shareholders what they can and can't do with their assets in an open market?
@@robertdewar1752 The softest "Liberal Democratic" response to this might be to forcibly Water Down the shares by creating extra government ownerships shares in large UK based firms. That way, you can't resale without UK government input and ombudsman involvement. Personally, I would prefer something a lot more extreme that would be very 'difficult' to sustainably achieve in the current system.
@@RedShift323 If the UK companies that foreign (typically US) companies want to snap up, are smaller tech start-ups (Autonomy et al), i don't see how this would help? I do agree that it would be better if the UK had a tech exchange that would be beneficial to both UK employees and shareholders. As a matter of interest, do you know how lack of UK investment in micro/small caps came about?
A different take : Millionaires can afford to go to places where Nature can get you, and some do. Ordinary people can't afford to and mostly don't want to. Last year a millionaire wanted a close look at Titanic. This year a millionaire wanted to be on a luxury yacht in storm prone seas.
It's a massive stretch of the truth for a Yacht that size to all of a sudden have a breach in the Hull and sink in 50 meters of water ? Why anchor ⚓️ so deep ?
It is indeed odd. Perhaps the only useful comment I can make is that many years ago I had a conversation with an acquaintance who is a very rich (many millions) investor and she recounted a tale of someone else that she had done business with and who had defrauded her of a substantial amount but it turned out that he had also defrauded a number of others (unknown to her) and one day his life was ended by a hired killer’s bullet. She told me that in the mega millions investment world there are some very dangerous people who will kill you if you cross them.
The fact is most conspiracies occur in plain sight, because that's the best way to hide anything. You don't need to look any further than what you can plainly see with your own eyes, virtually everything is a scam.
A 56 m or 183 ft super yacht is designed to withstand any weather condition it may encounter in any of the world's oceans. It will be interesting to see how such a large vessel was compromised. Having said that, an $8.5 billion loss will buy you any type of conspiracy you desire. RIP the lost souls. 🙏
Notably, both incidents involved the taking of excessive risks, Chamberlain out running on an A road, Lynch out on a yacht in an area subject to a severe weather warning, and the keel being up.
