Netflix’s Avatar Remake Doesn't Understand Avatar 

Sokka has the perfect feminist arc. Mike and Bryan trusted their primarily child audience to understand and learn from this and it worked. I dont know how the new show creators could see that and miss the opportunity to do the same

Far left brain rot

​@@ATLA99simple, really... the people making the decisions don't trust their audience whatsoever

@@ScatterBrainedYouBetterFollow Projection.

Bro that’s not fair they deleted my original comment how am I supposed to defend myself

Instead they used the training scene to flirt!!! I was so disgusted by the switch.

And Suki’s response “I am a warrior AND I am a girl” is 👌

Instead, for the kyoshi episode, it's role reversal and it's feminist bs and misunderstanding. I thought it was fine since it was a balanced twist between sexism.

@@SpaceBiscuits That's what left it clear for Sokka. Even with all the training he could have possibly considered that his point of view was already clear, that Warrior and Women weren't opposite concepts but her response told him that they aren't exclusive between each other as well. We are who we are and both can perfectly be warriors if they are determined yet it's important to never lose yourself in your way to become a warrior but take the best of what you have learned. I'm telling you. This message wasn't an issue at all for kids when they grew up but apparently it is for kids now accordingly to Netflix. It kinda feels like an insult for the intelligence of the kids who won't try and watch the original show and an insult to the source material like if it wasn't able to delivery any good development of a sexist boy into a wise man who knows that value of patience and the strength within men and women as well.

@@noctarem96 remember the episode in the animation where Katara and Toph were really ticked off at each other, and Katara said to her "the stars sure are beautiful tonight.. too bad you can't see them Toph!" You can bet that line or anything like it will not be in the show. At this point it would be out of character if they did include it, cause Netflix took out pretty much all of Katara's iconic temper. The new version is not a character who's journey I'm interested in at all, she's just already too mature too well-adjusted for compelling character development.

Sokka being left in charge was a huge responsibility. Being left behind just before his trials IS so important. Instead he was left behind because he was a failure, his peers all went to war. His father is now instead of proud of him, disappointed in him. Sokka is self reliance embodied, while Zuko strives hard for that because he does not have what Sokka has, But he does have what Sokka does not have, shere will to succeed. Sokka and Zuko converge to share these aspects with each other and trade value. It is vitally important. In this live action series, it can not be corrected. People say get used to live action, your problem with it is bias and dumb. Well, the actual truth is, they did not understand the complexity and deep underling reasoning someone put into the character dynamics, the why and balance that dramatica pro or some other writing program would have given guidelines as to which character represents which archetype and how those blend together to create story. They had the OG full rights to work from.

Exactly. The details are contradictory even though the narrative isn't, so we can see a traumatic historical event through the lens of legend.

plus how the fire nation just straight up changed history by lying about what actually happened, as shown in the headband episode where aang had to correct the school by saying, "the air nomads didnt have an army. they were killed by ambush." most people didnt know what truly happened with the air nomad genocide, and in that sense, aang was living history. the only window into what the air nomads were truly like. bit annoying how that didnt seem explored at all in this, but hey, what do i know. its not like aang being the last airbender is _important_ or directly mentioned in the title of the damn show or anything.

They took all of Sokka's sexism and gave it to the writers instead

"Sokka? Sexist? Oh, good heavens... we could never!!! 🙅‍♂Come, gentlemen. Let us make the entire episode sexist."

And they ironically made suki a creep by creeping on sokka for his body like that’s okay? But sokka being humbled for being sexist isn’t okay?

It’s not an remake tho Lmfo it’s not even call book or water just seasons

​@@x97k8would live action adaptation be better for you?

That is why he is given that obnoxious monolog before he does *not* run away, where he tells us stuff about his character that the show weirdly fails to show any proof for. Most annoyingly they wanted to show off their CGI and ruined the character introduction: instead of showing us him playing air ball or goofing around or even eating cake, we are instead told that he likes be by himself and show off his advanced skills.

Way too much exposition in the live action show. They don't trust the audience to infer things from character action

@@leigh-anjohnson the problem is that exposition is not "characters speak about things that happen"; it is not even just "characters talk about the world/events/relations that will be rlevant to understand the action"; exposition can also be a family picture that infers family ties; the criticism "too much exposition" is usually wrong, because you cannot tell the audience too much about the setting; and the people who exclaim it usually mean dialog that isn't even there to set anything up (which is the effing function in the effing definition of exposition) the dialog usually refered when saying "to much exposition" to is dialog that is not used for exposition but used to replace action that should be on screen

@@michaelklaus 😂

They do not understand the characters they are working with.

Or books getting an animated adaptation too!

Could you imagine animated shit like mission impossible, or oceans 11? That would be pretty wild.

Oh damn it's been that long T_T. I remember watching this on TV as it came out lol.

Right? My first thought when I saw this newest iteration of live action ATLA was...why?? The reasons people love that show don't translate to live action.

Unironically true. Imagine an animated Song of Ice and Fire adaptation

Not only that, but Sokka and Zuko mirror each other (As many of the characters do) in a very specific way. They are both looking for validation from their fathers. Zuko wants his father to be proud of him and bring him home, where as Sokka wants to prove to his dad that he didn't make a mistake in choosing Sokka to protect Wolf Cove. They are both put out into the world to prove not to themselves, but to their fathers that they are the men their fathers believe and want them to be. This is partly why Sokka is the way he is. Its not just cultural, but he also was put in charge as the "man" of the village at a very young age AND his father left leaving him without a real father figure to guide him. The traditions that the Water Tribe have seemed to not have really been as enforced in the Southern Tribe as Hakoda, Bato, and the rest of the Wolf Cove warriors didn't seem to be as entrenched as Pakku. Gran Gran was probably the real head of the village, but Sokka was told by his father to "be the man of the village" and he took that very seriously while also looking at things he probably saw in his culture to shape his world view. Sokka isn't just sexist because the Water Tribe's culture is sexist, he's sexist because he was forced to be a man while understanding the world as a child does even into his teenage years. The whole show is a coming of age mixed with various other themes and messages, but for Sokka specifically he has to learn how to become the man his father wanted him to be without any guidance. His mother was gone, taken from him by the Fire Nation which he directs all of his focus for being a warrior into. His father left to fight in the war and didn't bring him along, making him feel as if he HAD to prove himself to be a great warrior. He was left with Gran Gran, where she was wise and probably did the best she could to guide him, but she could not fill the void that both Sokka's parents made in his heart. In the live action they focused way more into the whole "warrior" thing for Sokka, and while it is part of his story over all, there are layers that these characters have to peel back to get at their true problems. Sokka is sexist, but he also lacks confidence. He sees that because he isn't a bender that he is lesser than his friends. He thinks outside the box and is a brilliant inventor, but finds himself to lack the confidence of being a tactician like his father. He feels that he's a burden when he can't protect himself. In the end he becomes the worlds greatest tactician, revolutionary inventor, and greatest warrior amongst the Water Tribes. These characters have multiple flaws, not just one and these writers can't see that or they see it as an issue, rather than a moment to teach their audience valuable lessons. You could also apply a lot of these same themes to Zuko, though there is a lot that is different between the two. This comment is already too long, so I wont go into Zuko.

This! This comment hits the nail on the head. This is why Avatar worked so majestical, it made the audience witness to stories that were born from real issues, but also sorted and trying to entangle them a bit. And in the end, Iroh's comment was also just a comment, as he was also a witness. But also someone able to take action in it, and with consequences when he did or didn't, and it went full circle with that for the audience to understand that you sometimes can, can't, should or shouldn't take action - and that there's rarely a right or wrong answer.

Yeah I think people forget that he was a child. All of them are and how he is sexist is the same way a lot of people with potential are. We mirror our cultures and grow as our assumptions are challenged.

That's also why the show says "only the Avatar who can master all four elements can stop them". Only by understanding the cultures of different people can they hope to win.

thank you, i was wondering what the hell they were going to do with the entire conflict with pakku at the NWT if they're too scared to include a couple of lessons on ingrained misogyny. we're not even confronted with evidence that female waterbenders WERE allowed to fight in the SWT until they meet hama in season 3. also it's really a shame that they cut out sokka's turn in the kyoshi warrior getup because they were scared of MAGA psychos. have a spine, netflix.

Oh don't get me started on how they take a moment to say Hei Bai is in pain 😭and then just say oh well. Like if you didn't want to deal with Hei Bai's story why include him at all?

they destroyed my boy hei bai's story btw not "just" environmentalism, it's a story that shows pretty much the kind of person and avatar that aang is. It's about hope

Yup. I was super disappointed when they just showed Hei Bai for a cameo and then just abandoned him to be alone in his rage.

this series isnt for children

@@ember9361ok so how does changing the plot from being about the destruction humans inflict on the environment and the spiritual hurt Aang gets from that into "he's just an angry beast, bury an acorn and forget about it" make it more adult or mature?

It’s not an remake

@@x97k8 What is it then?

@@JRexRegis An utter disappointment

@@hinata5736 SO TRUE

It also just suits her character more in the original. First it makes more sense just on the thematic sense of the different nations, immediately putting someone in a chokehold seems like much more of a fire nation move, while standing her ground and countering into a weak point after sokka's attack seems much more like earth kingdom fighting. Second, I don't know what the context is in the live action scene, but in the original, the way she fights in their initial spar is also very fitting for her motivations in the scene. Sokka walked in there and was rude to them for being girls, so she not only wants to beat him to teach him a lesson, but full on humiliate him, as a message of like "You may be a man, but this is what a true warrior looks like."

Then they shouldn’t have made it at all!

"Playing it safe" is what 90% of netflixs productions are good at. Its seriously insane how often they treat audiences like theyre stupid

"they're playing it safe" Don't flatter them, they were never even a player.

@@rowansjet lol true

With the way Netflix did the live action avatar remake, they would have been better off axing the remake idea and just making an anthology series set in the avatar world. Could've even used the always unreliable Ember Island Players as like our narrative vehicle for telling these stories. This way the writers aren't completely bound by the original avatar storyline. At which point the writers can just pick and choose the series greatest hits in terms of episodes and any inconsistences can be chalked up to an unreliable narrator. Making an anthology series i think would also allow for each episode to breath, so your not crunching 3 episodes into one.

Makes sense. A large part of Superman's story is about what you *do* with power being the important part.

Keeping with the comic book theme. Considering how many different iterations we've had of Uncle Ben and now an Aunt May, tell us "With great power; comes great responsibility", it's shocking how many people clearly zoned out after the "with great power" part lmao.

Aang was perfectly willing to wear Kyoshi's clothes and fight with her fans. I bet he was being genuine

Suki evidently thought it was a compliment, she looked quite smug

The way I interpret it is a friend playing another friend by making a joke he knows will get a reaction out of him. It doesn't say anything to what Aang actually thinks about wearing women's clothing though I'd be more inclined to say he doesn't really care either way.

yeah I noticed that on second watch through. I think it says a lot about how the Air Nomads viewed dresses and gender in their culture if kids normally compliment dudes wearing dresses and that seems kind of really cool for the worldbuilding

The tone of the scene is completly comedical. So I either the editor didnt get the memo or that was the intention all along

That is one of the reasons I love his character. For most people, the avatar state would have been a glorious gift. But to him, he wanted nothing of it because of the danger it implicated. And the fear of not being able to control himself while in that state, not knowing who he's going to hurt, was enough to make him not want to even use it ever again (since I think he accidentally hurt Katara one time in that state). He was still a kid in so many ways, but that perspective of his made him wise.

That's why "The Avatar State", the first episode of Book 2: Earth, is so important. It's when that Earth Kingdom general tried to control Aang's powers to be used a superweapon against the Fire Nation without having to master all 4 elements. It's one of the most challenging and character-defining moments for Aang, as a pacifist air bender who stands against the Fire Lord's ideology.

i love that atla always treated the avatar state as something sad, a tragedy. the emphasis on how much a role like being the avatar would seriously fuck up a kid makes it really stand out amongst all the other "child hero" stories from my own childhood, and its something i really appreciate, as someone older. something i dont think i wouldve picked up on if id have watched this as a kid.

I agree. It makes her own position of power feel pointless and I threatening.

I agree, it makes Suki's own position of power feel pointless and unthreatening.

It's so dumb because in this version Sokka has literally nothing to offer. Like he's an actual plank of wood and Suki is DROOLING.

Spot on!

Show. Don't tell.

I said it before in another comment but I feel like this show seems almost afraid of letting its main characters make selfish or bad decisions out of fear that it will make the audience turn on them. Like how they retcon Aang abandoning his duties as the Avatar being why he got frozen to Aang just flying with Appa to clear his head and getting frozen that way instead. Or Sokka no longer being sexist because it might make him less appealing to viewers, even though it is an integral character flaw that he overcomes over the course of the original series. The map episode in the original is cool to me because they actively have Aang make a truly selfish decision against his friends. Then he admits to it when he feels guilty and Sokka is understandably really upset with him for it and almost leaves for good. It gave these characters real depth and forced them to grow as people and as a team. Aang has to wrestle with the fact that he truly is afraid of being alone and does something that would make sense for a kid his age with that fear would do, but he also realizes it was wrong and owns up to his mistake. Characters being unable to do genuine selfish or bad things can take away from their ability to feel nuanced or real

@@guldmattbb473 perfectly said!

@@guldmattbb473and ngl it also kinda sucks that it seems like this live action only seems to care about zuko and fire nation characters. Cause why were they the only ones who got things added to their characters? Zuko with the extended backstory (even going as far as to remove the parallel backstory telling of aang and zuko and just made it zuko centric), adding scenes of Iroh’s late son (even tho I technically didn’t care for it cause it didn’t feel earned but rather for fan service cause they know ppl love Iroh), adding more to where Azula’s need to be perfect and her animosity for her brother stems from, making Zhao more cunning, making Ozai more present and showing how he manipulates his kids, even going as far to explicitly show the fire nation committing genocide. Meanwhile all other characters got things stripped from them. Aang didn’t run away nor does he take detours to avoid his responsibilities, Katara is no longer motherly, assertive, confident, etc. sokka is no longer a sexist jerk who needed to be humbled, even suki is no longer an expressive, assertive compassionate character who had an understandable reaction to sexism towards her. Everyone just felt like something huge was taken away from them which leaves them all feel superficial

I've got nothing against CGI, but its prevalence in live-action films now just makes me more bitter about "best animated picture" having been separated from "best picture." It's not cut and dry anymore, but full cartoons are still treated as the outgroup

There will always be people who won't watch something because it's animated. That is just a sad fact. Nothing will change that. That's why if you make a live action adaptation it's better if it's fans of the original who will respect the original. And make it work in the new medium.

Those certain Avatar Fans: if this leads to a Korra remake, I’ll keep supporting it

Also, compare this to James Cameron's Alita Battle Angel. He took the manga so seriously that he waited 20 years before making it because he wanted to make sure he could honour the original. He even released Dark Angel and Avatar first to prove the concept and technology was ready

Funnily enough you actually could stick a device that shoots webs onto your wrists in the real world but that's from silly comic books for babies.

He didn't just go on a stroll, he did literally run away???

@@SLYKMNo, he was like "Appa, this is too much man. Let's go clear our heads" And then in the storm he's like "damn, what a storm, let's turn around and go back" and then they get frozen

​@@SLYKMin the remake, instead of just running away, he went on a short flight to clear his head. That's pretty much a stroll 💀

​@@SLYKMAang straight up ran away in the original animated show. In the live action show he was just going for a flight to think and clear his head. He was heading back home when he and Appa got caught by the storm. So yeah, he was just out for a stroll

Can’t have our main character have any flaws, it would make them unlikable if they have any!

Sokka was the strategist and timekeeper of the group. He was the one who kept the group on task especially when he realized that they had a time limit. At some points it's like the show runners never watched the show.

I rewatched "Bato of the Water Tribe" yesterday. Sokka literally gives up on meeting his dad to support Aang because he knows that's where he'd be the most useful

even disregarding the original, katara literally said at the end of ep 1 they can't go home or zuko would attack their village to get aang again. sokka agreed to it there so I don't get why in ep 2 he was suddenly telling katara they need to go home. I get him maybe being apprehensive abt the idea of saving the world but it rlly felt like they just forgot what they wrote previously

​@@tiablue9106So it's not enough they didn't watch the original show, they forgot entire lines from previous episodes of their own show? If this is what passes for a writing job these days maybe there's hope for me after all

@@makeitthrough_yup it baffled me katara didn't bring up the point she'd already made abt why they can't go back. sometimes it's not even in different eps, other examples of this show forgetting its own writing: -claiming the badgermoles respond to mood / were trapping sokka and katara due to their fighting, but only having them attack after they'd stopped fighting and made up -bumi lecturing aang on how he needs to stop goofing off and do his duty when all aang talked abt the whole time was his duty -aang vowing to stop whoever's bombing omashu but never even confronting jet or being told abt katara stopping him, but suddenly saying he needs to leave omashu -kyoshi and others scolding aang for running away from his duties and aang never refuting that he ran away, as in this version he just meant to go for a brief flight -katara initially saying she wants the right to train under pakku but when she confronts pakku her motive switches to the right to fight the fire nation -yue being able to waterbend even tho the moon spirit was killed (but tbf maybe she was the only one who could bc she's part spirit). also the weirdness of sokka being able to understand her in the spirit world even tho wan shi tong said only aang could understand spirits or smth -never confirming that hei bai got uncorrupted / stopped kidnapping ppl

I can't believe how they butchered Bumi.

I’m glad I’m not the only one upset over the change to Bumi. I could deal with smashing together Jet/Inventor plots into Omashu (although some changes there are baffling too) but to make Bumi pissed at Aang is just such an odd choice

God, I was so mad at the way they rewrote Bumi being a "mad genius" into Bumi being mad at Aang.

Bumi *WHAT ??*

HE W H A T

Yep

Came here to say this. Roku single-handedly deterred the Fire-Nation by his mere existence and clearly stated stance. Easily disabled Sozin and said "don't challenge me" and Sozin never did. The fire-nation waited until a natural disaster claimed Roku to attack while the avatar was being reborn.

Heck, Roku had been dead for over a DECADE by the time Sozin actually puts his plan into action. He was horrified by Sozin's plan.

Yeah he wasn't a pacifist, but by his own admittance he was blind to Sozin's intentions, and that blindness stemmed from his trust in Sozin, so he didn't respond as strongly when he wished he had. Still not using his power as the avatar, but not because of pacifism

roku was already dead when sozin started the war. roku literally said “if you do anything stupid, i’d have no problem ending your life” to sozin when they were younger

Strongly agree.

Yes, I went in really trying to give the netflix adaptation a fair go but Katara being so... expressionless and condescending while trying to hit the same speeches was jarring. I've seen other comments about poor acting and others being derisive about live action expressions never being able to physically match that of the original - which is fair because of the different mediums - but your comment really hit the nail on the head, this Katara is a poor imitation of the original

She sounds like Mom Katara, which is something they touch on in the cartoon. She’s annoying with it in the cartoon as well, but nostalgia erases some of that. Maybe they’ll touch on that some more in Season 2.

Literally all she does is patronize people. Jet, Aang, Sokka, everyone. It's so annoying. And yet when it actually matters, she just bows her head and tolerates being reprimanded. They got her character wrong in just about every single way.

The part where she says that the best part about losing everything is that you become stronger was legit insane, amazing how much they messed up that sequence at the southern air temple

Dude, so true. Peace and love to you!

This is such a good summary

Also more mature and adult than what it seems sex drug and violence doesn't make it more mature and more adult jist because you have them

I watched ATLA as an adult. I thought for a child’s show it was very good. That being said it was too silly and needed an update.

@@majorlazor5058 You opinion is bad and you should feel bad. The Netflix adaptton is not very grown up at all.

100%. Plus, what the OG show did so well is show how that early positive growth shaped who they were and how they moved forward. Sokka got taught on his sexism and learned about humility at the same time. If not for that early development, he might have never convinced Piandao to teach him swordsmanship.

@merulaamethyst2248 when was Iroh ever sexist? The only thing I can think of is his attraction to June, but I dont think there's anything sexist about that, he was just being kinda creepy

@@Dell-ol6hbI was expecting Iroh to be a creep to June but after the Kyoshi island episode I should not have been shocked that Iroh didn't flirt at all and June did all the flirting. Just sitting there thinking uhhhhh this is backwards.

That constantly remained as a full moon from then on! 🤣

Everything bad about the early avatar episodes becomes great character growth when the characters stop acting in ways you don't like

oh wow. i definitely noticed how there were barely any wide or dynamic shots (katara’s fight with paku was especially uninteresting to watch imo) which just seemed lazy but after reading this i’m even more pissed off about it

Don't worry the animated series will out live that message. After this series ends nobody will go back to it as a classic. The animated series is a classic and people will keep going back and watching it. I was 10 when I watched it now I'm watching it with my daughter. ❤

​@@Danie_pixiethis live action adaptation probably won't even get finished. It will get canned hopefully.

@@chrisj320ac3 And they'll try again in 10 years.

@@nightmareTomek Yeah xD, they'll bring M. Night back, this time surely it will work!

It’s a message from a woman raised to be a warrior. Didn’t come across as a lesson from the show to the audience. Aang’s passivism and optimism seems to be far more prominent a message.

Yes ATLA main story is about being sexist. What are you even saying anymore

@@pepsipwns666 Of course saying that it all is about sexism is wrong but part of Sokka's character arc is indeed about sexism.

​​@@pepsipwns666 Well no it would be "Soccas arc is about sexism" as they explicitly stated and that is indeed a big part of it. Don't misrepresent people.

@@pepsipwns666 I think you misunderstood, on the scale of "Sokka's Sexism Arc" removing his sexism would be the same as removing black people from "To Kill a Mockingbird". Because Sokka's sexism arc, not the entire ATLA show is about Sokka's sexism, while To Kill a Mockingbird is about Black struggle and the trial of Tom Robinson.

LMAO THAT'S SO TRUE.

they’re scared of making katara emotional because we’re told you can’t make women emotional, it’s sexist, because it makes them look weak. whereas, katara is a waterbender, literally gets power from the phases of the moon. waterbenders are emotional and feminine in nature, including the male ones, but they mature to control it like mature women do, which would look like yue, who is early-mature given that she is literally part moon spirit. in the original, katara is very emotional, has a quick temper, gets sad and cries, carries revenge seething in her for a long time, but she always retains self awareness and that makes her not weak. it’s not the emotions that make you weak, and saying that it is, is more sexist than writing female/feminine characters as emotional. katara has to start emotional, so that we can see her grow to acquire emotional experience and control later on, when she overcomes her thirst for vengeance, when she rejects the temptation of bloodbending, and becomes a master waterbender with high emotional regulation and calmness at the end, when she defeats another emotional female with extremely poor emotional regulation.

Would’ve been funny if because Sokka wasn’t sexist, Katara never got mad and Aang was never freed from the ice lol. That’s one angle for the adaptation

@@nurainiarsad7395damn, you articulated that so beautifully! I agree 100%. We need to allow characters to be flawed so they can grow. It's really empowering to be able to identify with a character who shares your shortcomings and see them improve themselves.

Sokka was the *REAL* hero, if you think about it, I mean Aang would have been frozen if it wasn’t for him.

​@@johnnyknadler1157LOL

*Laughs in Fullmetal Alchemist*

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WH40k: "I missed the part where this is my problem."

One Piece out here trying to figure out how to make the 6th genocide of the series feel extra depressing.

@@maxbarnt3835 just add more kids and torn families caught in the crossfire

And in the animated show you're left to imagine the battle yourself. You see everything and aangs old master as just a skeleton, it makes you think about what he did in his last moments, how he fought. This new show steals that from you, and goes "here, this is how it looked"

I think that seeing the children running from the firebenders was far more brutal than the original show, which didn’t ever acknowledge the fact that children were also murdered. I was affected by that, even if you were too focused on being mad that it was different.

Right! They dont want to let people THINK theyre just shoving it in our face ​@@ZeSgtSchultz

@@calvinjohnson6242 I agree with you. It never occurred to me children were there. For some reason I assumed it was just Aang all alone being trained by a bunch old men.

@@majorlazor5058 In the original the show lets you know there was children there, but it never made us face the fact that those children had been murdered. We only discover there were children there in the “storm” episode, and it’s not as explicit as physically seeing the children there. Sure, subtlety is very important, but this was another valid way of showing the genocide, and I’m tired of pretending that it’s not.

I wonder how many young people actually watch the live action of their own accord. Because if they get introduced to ATLA, then I'm confident the older community is going to introduce them to the proper version.

Did you watch the adaption? Sexism still exists with the pakku vs katara storyline.

Filled with jerks? Oh man, your school sucks. Other schools have a wide range of personalities and jerks will always be there. Wonder how it came to be? Tunnel vision? Circles and exclusion? Are there normal boys there? Do you notice them? Do you crave to be in the "in" crowd? So sorry for your perception of your school and hope you can realise the world after school will be lonelier and harder to bare if you don't see the light now. IDK, just wondering. Don't rely on social media/trends or entertainment for gratification, you will miss the cool friends you could have. From a hut in Zambia

As a guy who was 12 when I watched the original, I am saddened to hear the changes they've made in this live action. I was apprehensively hopeful this show would be good. But removing Sokka's primary character flaw and the source of his entire growth throughout the first season is not a good sign. I doubt I'll actually ever watch it.

@@NoodleKeeperNo point commenting then, you've made your opinions from watching youtube vids and angry reviews instead of actually making your own judgment. Yes all 8 episodes are terrible because sokka isn't sexist in one of them. Get a grip

It was another stupid change

Gotta have some father son conflict, as Ozai apparently now likes Zuko 😂

​@@helenwhswait what. Ozai's hatred of Zuko is like 60% of the reason the series happens.

​@@helenwhsThat is wild, especially for someone who read the official comics where this whole thing is explained.

This new version of Hakoda is not a Hakoda I see comforting Katara at the beginning of Book 3..nor do I see how he's supposed to work together with Sokka to escape the Boiling Rock if he doesn't value Sokka's intelligence and inventiveness like he does in the animated series. Qualities he himself also embodies! Sokka is so much of his father's son in the original that to see Hakoda devalue him in this new show hurts and is confusing.

Okay, I’ve been calm for over a week, but this comment pushed me off the edge just now. WTF do you not understand about BASIC CHARACTER ARCS? *Sokka* was the one obsessing over his strength, when he should have been focusing on his mind and heart. That was made so unbelievably, mind-numbingly obvious! You overly critical morons are intentionally using less of your brain cells when watching this adaptation, just so you can find idiotic fake flaws and condemn a show that was NOT BAD. It wasn’t perfect, but it was fairly decent and was actually brilliant at times. You all need to find some genuine criticism, or shut your god damn mouths.

​ "Jumping on the bandwagon of negativity for negativity's sake" Like... Replying to a bunch of comments under a video that is clearly a critic of a series you like? Don't get me wrong, I understand how you must feel. You obviously like the new ATLA show and you see a lot of people talk bad about and that hurts your feelings. That's natural, but you can't just come here and generalize all criticism to mere "negativity for negativity's sake". Because there are a lot of good points made here. This isn't just people mad that it is different. If a remake is different or tries to expand upon the original that at least justifies it's existence. But this is about how the different was done bad. Despite preferring the mystery that comes with Aang just appearing at the southern water tribe without the audience immediately knowing where he comes from, I liked that they tried to make it a bit different in the remake by showing more of Aangs past, but I just couldn't stand the blatant exposition left and right (Aang literally spelling his character description to Appa in the most unnatural way possible) and I also didn't like how the genocide was executed. I saw some people argue that not seeing the airbenders fight puts an emphasize on their pacifism. And while I do agree with that, I still liked that we saw them defend their home. My problem with this scene is that it was still badly executed, at least in my opinion. Yes, you saw innocent poeple being murdered and even children and I'll give you the point that the remake made me fully realize for the first time that "Holy shit, they actually murdered children!". And still I didn't really feel anything besides general sadness and anger at the Fire Lord, and I'm a fairly emotional person. Normally I would cry super fast in such a scene, but this one just felt like a plain slaughter fest, because I didn't feel any attachment to the characters or the attachment of the characters to each other. What breaks me is the thought of "they care about each other. They are loosing loved ones here", but something like this was absent from the scene. I felt more when I saw Gyatso fight and knew he wouldn't survive. And from what I've seen you weren't exactly what I would call "calm". You basically called people emotionless and problems of society. And you said that one of your comments was even deemed as violating RU-vid's guidelines, sooo... I guess you should maybe think about that. If you cried during that scene and you liked it because of the emotions it provoked in you, good for you. But just because some poeple didn't feel much or felt like it was just there for the action scenes, doesn't mean they are emotionless. And this person you answered to wasn't negative at all, but disappointed. They explained what they liked about the original. How nuanced it treated strength and that it means more than just the physical aspect. The remake looses this nuance and instead focuses only on the physical part without highlighting the importance of a sharp mind. They have a really good point and most importantly, they framed it as their personal preference. And you still replied to them and accused them of just being negative and ignored the points they made. You know what I'm really sick of? People who think they know the thoughts and feelings of others better and accuse them of something even though they have good arguments. You don't have to agree with them, but you need to accept that they don't like something you like. We all need to accept at some point that we can't all like the same things. Some people will have their reasons and some will be irrational about it. But you don't have to engage with them. Ultimately, you could have chosen to ignore this video, but instead you decided to indulge in the negativity.

this is a great comment. And that's such a great part of Sokka's growth, too. I love that in the animation he's never really physically "strong" - he's technique oriented as a swordsman, and highly gifted with strategy and adaptation. They never show him out-stronging someone; he outsmarts them.

Something I said as soon as I saw it. I mean, it had only been 3 years and that was a baaaad burn. That "scar" looked like it could be covered with good make up. It had little to no texture.

even his ear on the side is mildly disfigured

So you would prefer they subjected a young man to more brutal makeup chair time? Think about what you’re asking for. He’s in so many scenes.

@@calvinjohnson6242 @calvinjohnson6242 I'm not suggesting anything unreasonable. The scar looks the way it does so Zuko can stay handsome. I do SFX makeup regularly for cosplay and theatre. I can do better in 30 minutes using glue and kleenex. And I'm sure that the producers have better access to makeup than I do (I'm sure they have amazing prosthetics). Zuko's cuts post explosion clearly took the same amount (if not more) time in the makeup chair than his scar, and they're significantly more convincing.

@johnson6242That's what you sign up for when you do this kinda work, bucko. I'm sure he would've also been fine with an exhausting make-up setup if it meant the actual point of that make-up got across to the audience.

Right? Even when he gets his space sword she's still the only person to join team Avatar without ANY battle evo!

​@@SelinaCatWe aren't there yet, buddy.

I agree but the "modern writers" jab is just doomerism. Makes you sound like the "blazing saddles couldn't be made today" crowd.

Honestly, thats a lesson even progressives need to understand, because too often people will concede this point to the right as if it were true. Women arent THAT massively weaker than men. Yes, men generally are stronger, but its neither a gigantic gap, nor is the gap insurmountible. A trained woman can defeat a trained man just fine, and its time we finally pushed that point home.

@@haselni yeah maybe you’re right. Maybe I’m taking this too personally because I honestly don’t wanna believe that the writers of the live action intentionally ruined it. It seems like they missed every little point of the original that made it one of the best shows ever created. It’s frustrating and I do see a lot of modern shows do the same thing. But that’s not to say that nothing good will ever be created but when big studios keep pushing these with huge budgets, despite the criticism it’s really worrying.

honestly, it feels like so many shows wanna get the big plot beats out and done as quick as possible before they get canceled for tax writeoffs or because they're deemed "not successful enough" as if everything needs to be as popular as GOT in its heyday by the 2nd episode 🙄 like, idk if more episodes would've improved my other personal complaints about the show - but it *certainly* would've given them more opportunity to flesh out their renditions of the characters and build chemistry

Well they put a bunch of season 2 into it. They could have done good sticking to the season one material which would already be hard to fit into 8 episodes but mixing season one and two into 8 episodes so a mess.

I think they hinted at the kids learning that violence and being the strongest isnt the answer, hinted that they'll learn that the old avatar's were flawed and could give bad advice just like anyone else. So agreed, if they hadn't smashed it into 8 episodes they may have done a better job. At least with some of it.

What’s interesting is that the overall runtime is only 15 mins less than the original first season. So they had time, just used it terribly.

@@aofbnerliubg they did make poor use of the time that they had, but like I said in my og comment, "But like with space between the panels in comics, the space between episodes is important in television as well." The actual breaks in between episodes help a show breathe more, if that makes sense? It feels like a chapter in a book instead of a huge wall of text. This show needed to stop and take a breath more. With more episodes, there would have been more breaks to help it feel more settled I guess. Cramming this all into 8 episodes felt like a runaway train. I sorely miss the 22-episode season format.

EXACTLY, it’s so frustrating.

I disagree. I think it's perfectly fine if said -phobic or -ism characters do not change or experience consequences, so long as they're part of a plot that highlights their imperfections and/or provides commentary about the problematic nature of the characters and the setting. Even in this decade, "bad" people don't always get what's coming to them, unfortunately. The real problem arises when the writer attempts to justify or promote the hateful behaviour a character engages in.

It’s like yeah obviously don’t include the isms if you aren’t going to comment on them or challenge them in a meaningful way. But like Avatar is literally all about challenging those systems to create a better one. Wtf were they thinking? It’s like I’m watching someone’s awful middle school fanfiction.

Y'all still falling for this? It's pretty obvious they really didn't want Sokka crossdressing

@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 Two things can be true at the same time

Can't be disappointed if you expected it to be a turd subdae drizzled in urine & dandruff sprinkles to begin with

They also made Korra, so bad comparison

@@ChangedMyNameFinally69Korra was good yall just don’t wanna accept changes you will never get an atla again they don’t like recreating the same shit

​@@ChangedMyNameFinally69does legend of korra is a sequel to ATLA? I think LoK is not inherently bad and i shouldn't be compared with the first one, just say that you hate the continuation or time skip in Korra just like a mature person could be. Period.

​@@AliceJem I'm coming to believe it'sat least partly because it had a female protagonist, and guys aren't used to shows not centered around male perspectives so they couldn't see themselves in that so they got bored and hated on it

Well, we must admit Suki fell for him when he hadn't even understand that women don't stop being women just because they're warriors. So these critics do have a point. In comparison to other male characters of the show (except from Paku), he is the one who needed more inner work on how to treat women. Aang and Zuko never neeeded any lecture about that. Plus, Sokka only starts to change when his love interests push him to reavaliate his behavior and beliefs. The complains and explanations of his sister don't have any effect on him. Again, some critics do have a point.

@@analuizadefigueiredosouza7851 I mean it would be weird that the sister who he grew up with would change his mind on these dynamics. How would it make sense for him to be sexist growing up around her (get no influence over those years) but then her influence starts working later? To me it fit perfectly for him to learn & change from meeting more ppl contradicting his initial bad beliefs

@@analuizadefigueiredosouza7851But she only fell for him AFTER he apologized for how he acted and asked her to train him

@@yugoxgc Exactly. Speaking as a former "kid sister": older brothers NEVER LISTEN. Katara could've been *me*, or my older sister (who would've rocked her hair loopies) -- being annoyed and/or losing my shit w/my older bro if he were acting like Sokka pre-Kyoshi Island: a good egg overall that I love, but painfully-flawed and aggravating.

Exactly this!

It does make money but that requires actual talent and dedication

Glad to know you enjoyed Rebel Moon because it was original

@@uria3679 that movie was horrible.

The whole thing came across so lazy conceptually. They didnt think about the source material and come up with meaningful additions. They just spelled out what was already clearly implied in the show.

Oh, God. They're an icon.

honestly I'd pay to watch that shit

who is that? how is she an icon? what?

THEY WILL? THEY SAID THAT THEY WILL?

@@chemifan6784 they.

Well said 👏

I agree with you on your points about Aang. But i disagree with you about Sokka. The jokes in the original cartoon would often not have flowed well in live action. And the biggest example is in the first episode. In both version Sokka is tasked with protecting his village and supposedly is taking it very seriously. Then when Zuko arrives at his tribe in the cartoon Sokka runs up.... and gets kicked a couple times and then doesnt appear anymore untill zuko is leaving. Yes it was a "ha ha" moment, but this guy is supposed to be the protector of his village and you dont see any of that. It takes away any view of him " stepping up for his tribe" he is not flawed, he straigt up just becomes a strategist later without really showing the viewer he has those qualities. Meanwhile in the show he straights up prepares his village. Is willing to sacrifice the Avatar as long as he can fulfill his father command of keeping his people safe. And when his sister manages to convince him with the arguement that the Avatar is the only chamce of stopping the fire nation he is willing to step out all by himself against a bender to provide a chance of the fire Nation leaving without endangering his tribe. It provides a clear picture that "yes, Sokka is funny" but he is also brave, and willing to do what is needed and protect the people he is responsible for.Which means that when he grows in character later on it was already built up earlier. Which personally i find a better way for Sokka.

@@RK-cj4ocyou miss the importance of sokka trying to defend his village just to be defeated quickly and how that effect his character. That was his first chance to use his self taught training. Seeing him try and be dismissed shows how important proper training is and how the men leaving the village behind was actually really stupid and left their village in danger. Plus it’s what makes him go after Aang. In the live action he just wants to go home. The cartoon sokka had drive to learn new skills and fight fire benders actively like the other men in his village did.

@@RK-cj4oc but isn't the whole point in the original show that Sokka ISN'T strong or skilled or brave or even old enough yet to even be a soldier? Isn't that the whole reason he's left behind, I know his dad gives him this whole "you've gotta stay and look after the village while we're gone" speech but I think it's pretty clear that they don't expect there to be any kind of attack while they're gone. Otherwise why would they take literally every able-bodied soldier away from the village and expect a single 16(?) year old to protect the entire village from a possibly invading force of fire benders?

@@GohkaThis ^ Plus, lets not forget that in the original show, Sokka didn't even have any boys his age he could train with. He had literal children.

What we end up with is the harsh Kyoshi which actually undercuts a future episode. With the pacifist Roku who is a mentor to Aang we expect all the Avatars to be similar so when we get to the Island where Kyoshi killed their leader years ago, naturally we think they are wrong. So when we learn, no she really did kill him it's a shock and makes us question the Avatar. I don't know how this series will do that considering we've met Kyoshi and know she absolutely could have done it. (Also that scene in the cartoon has Aang wearing Kyoshi's clothes to attune with her so....yeah).

The show seemed like it was so busy being embarrassed to be a "kid's show." it took the nuance for granted

@@sizwesokopo281 100% agree. I don't think many showrunners/producers understand how much skill goes into discussing war, genocide, invasion with children & making it entertaining and not scary. There is an article on the show's ability to teach kids conflict resolution written by the president at Boston Graduate School of Psychoanalysis, like, it's that good lmao.

Kiyoshi still kills him but does it in a visually cool way because of modern cgi and shit, so the showrunner thinks it's exciting or something.

I think that's the perfect word to describe what the original has over the remake. Sophistication.

I'm 3 episodes in and Soka hasn't been funny yet. That was one of my favourite parts. Can't imagine what they will do to Toph.

@@b.w.1386with Toph it will look like more of a Stonehenge with four emotionless stones rather than team Avatar

@@b.w.1386 the way they wrote this show, toph will not have a single blind joke.

Descents?

*decent

Great visuals but horrible writing. Such a wasted potential show 💔

"hyperrealistic cg" that's unwarranted praise

"hyperrealistic" is generous. The water-bending looks more like lube-bending

This makes your blood boil, to get new ATLA content, and a pretty damn decent at that. What more could you possible expect from a live action, as someone who loved this show as a kid is was magical to see it brought to life. Like seeing the Harry Potter movies on the big screen.

More like photoshop-realistic-ish lol

​@@stevenbean09 Eh, some people just want atla to stay atla. They don't want something branded atla, they either want atla, or they want something actually new with new characters that evokes the same feelings. Also, are we saying it was decent by comparison to the og show, or in general? Because if it's the latter, I would consider that a massive downgrade. Atla wasn't decent, it was spectacular. At least imo

Women bullying men isn't just sexist ... It is men writing female characters as if they were nothing but weak men. By removing explicit male sexism to appear woke, they open the door for badly written women who are sexist implicitly (*which is the liberal status quo, and socially acceptable)

​@@NicdeGrooti understood and dont understood, anything that you said

Yeah, rather than Suki using her fighting prowess to take Sokka down a peg, she's just kind of being unnecessarily rough with him. That scene where he stretches, she attacks him when his guard is down, and then he just walks off without a word was just so weird. The show seemed to play it like she was socially awkward around him because she's been sheltered on Kyoshi Island, and so she was bullying Sokka as a way to show her affection like they're 6 years old on a playground, which just adds an extra little layer of problematic by framing aggression as a way to show emotionally constipated affection. It also kind of makes their power dynamic unbalanced, where instead of being equals (her teaching him that women can be strong and making him drink respect women juice, him teaching her that there's more to fight for outside of their villages and inspiring her to take the Kyoshi warriors to the Earth Kingdom and help where there's more immediate need). So now in the live action show she's less socially experienced than he is, and she has more to learn from him than he does from her, making her deferential to him. They tried to "remove sexism" from the show and instead just reinforced it on so many new and weird levels.

@@manicmuffin however this behaviour of aggression to show emotionally constipated affection *exists*, especially when you come from a sheltered background without much exposure to the other sex, so why would it be wrong to show it? The walking off moment was actually the only part that was funny. While this version of Sokka is socially less skilled, Suki had no experience with being attracted to someone yet, in a late age. So far, this was not in itself controversial.

​@@RogerValor Of course, but the scene isn't something that stands on it's own. The whole construct would need to change to make it fit this essentially completely new socca. But it didn't. They shoehorned it in in a way, that reinforced sexism, instead of having a sexist character that learns sexism is bullshit. They removed the shown opposition to sexism and replaced it with subtle sexism that never really gets addressed. I'm sure they didn't mean to do that, but that is what happened.

I think it's because they cut a lot of the bonding between Aang and Katara up to that point, probably because they wanted to show the "sick" genocide instead. So being like "we're your family now" would feel completely unearned

@@The8BitPianist the amount of bonding they cut is just insulting. whenever katara would stick up for him it just felt like...why? she has no reason to even like him. honestly, he has no reason to like her, either. which is just great because, yknow, its not like they need each other to save the fucking world or something.

Omg yes, that clip of Aang from the Netflix version where he's like "I'm scared of my powers! I'm scared of being alone!" immediately made me think of that line from Futurama: "What's this? You can't just have your characters announce how they feel! That makes me feel ANGRY!"

I'm like, stop talking already. I'm tired of hearing you folks jibber jabber with all that exposition. 😂😂😂😂😂😂

​@@manniking233 They equipped the writing techniques of jibber-jabbering, yapping and yammering really well 😂

​@@ImUpYourArsedid you not watch the video? This whole video is about how it being watered down and playing it safe is bad.

@@ImUpYourArse I'm sorry but I don't really understand what you mean by that.

We need to accept that it wasn't good go begin with

​@@rommdan2716 Nah, if GOT was never good people wouldn't have been so disappointed by the later seasons.

@@Code_Dee It's time to stop lying to yourself!

@@rommdan2716 Ur right Wheel of Time is better

@@rommdan2716GOT was very good. And from someone who watched them nearly side by side: It was very similar to the original Avatar. Excellent world building, a different kind of fantasy, multiple nations with different cultures, deep histories and interesting locations, incredible character arcs and redemptions, a slow build to a world ending finale, etc. The biggest difference was tone. But it scratched the same itch. Anyone who thinks they have nothing in common is fooling themselves.

I feel like in American TV, adult = more violence. The genocide just includes more fight scenes and cool VFX.

​@@mhawang8204thats really all ive gotten from it too, only thing more mature about the live action is the tv rating

Yep I felt the same way when they announced they’d be showing it. Also cuts down on a major underlooked thing in the series (ESPECIALLY in book 1) Aang is not only our protagonist he’s also the audience insert. We’re thrown into this new world along with Aang with only a smaller amount of knowledge than he is thanks Katara’s opening monologue. Showing us the Airbender Genocide cuts some of that mystery away. It also takes away great moments like the mechanist episode. Where Aang & the audience get a false sense of hope that some of his ppl survived & then it turns out to be a bunch of refugees who made their way into one of the air temples & built gliders that other ppl mistook as Air Nomads/flying ppl.

​@@erockbaby3000i disagree with the mechanist bit, remember,that episode was in another air temple not Aang's

@@jeffersonhassan4558yes, they had already confirmed that everyone at his home temple had been killed. The mechanist moment was a hope that some of his people, read *air nomads* and not people of the southern air temple, survived the genocide. It really did get Aang’s hopes up when he saw gliders, so he was extra gutted when he found it was not only earth kingdom refugees, not air nomads, but they had destroyed huge parts of the temple when modifying it for their own livability.

I knew things would go horrible when another boy his age was shown in the village tbh-

@@Naynin huh?

@@GMan-bn3tb Like in the life action series, there was another boy his age in the village. Which automatically also erased that aspect of his character. He wasn't the only guy in his village in the life action.

@@Naynin that's fucking stupid

I was a kid when it came out and that’s how I found out about genocide. I didn’t understand what it fully meant but it was still impactful to me. I never felt overwhelmed but just felt sad for the air benders because it felt unfair and I think kiddos of any generation can grasp that

have you watched the whole show by now? If not, I highly reccomend it

@lif6737 i think that's just you, it's insane to me that theyre showing people actually being incinerated by firebenders on screen now

@@Ispspsps-kl1lt I caught a lot of the earlier episodes on & off, but never did watch all of it. Have been thinking I should go back and watch them all...

@@SometimestheYyou should. Season 1 is the weakest but overall the entire show is amazing. If season 1 doesn’t totally capture you 100% give season 2 a chance.

I get not liking it, but there are points she makes which make no sense. Sokka and Suki are wearing the exact same armor. The ghi's color is different, his matches his water tribe heritage while hers her earth kingdom one. Neither is wearing makeup, the LA didn't make a big point out of the makeup. At different parts of the video she whines when the LA does things exactly the same as the show, and also whines when they're different. For the most part I like the changes, especially to Bumi. He should be broken after 100 years of war, losing his best friend, making hard choice after hard choice. Broken people do tend to try and break others around them, especially those that remind them of how they were before they broke. Like Aang does for Bumi. It's weird in the cartoon how Bumi is exactly the same mad genius he always was. I like how they show Zuko wasn't the only one being tormented by Ozai. Azula is being played just as much as he is/was. It's also leading up to a better breakdown of Azula than we got in the cartoon. Instead of oops she's crazy now, we get to see why she's crazy.

​@@JcewazhereFelt like the kids show did a lot of that without making it obvious

​@@Jcewazhere Sounds like you just didn't get the original because it wasn't spelled out to you.

Wonder if they say that about people who didn’t like the movie.

to be honest, i dont see anyone saying the true fan line. if anything, i see everyone *hating* on the show. there's no one that seems to like it. all the comments/reviews are negative, including on some of the actors' own instagrams, and i haven't even watched it yet.

On screen Murder is maturity, don't you know this?? It will look so cool on screen.

Well I heard that Iroh kills Zhao in season 1 of NATLA which is so out of character for him that I wouldn't be surprised if they assassinate Aang's character too

​@@SyntheticRose I kinda think that Iroh WOULD kill Zhao if he didn't found out that zuko was still alive, he's the only one left that Iroh cares about, and the dragon of the west is not gonna let that one slide!

Oh god, please no

See, I actually wouldn't even have a problem with killing Ozai. In the original series, it always came off as massively hypocritical to me that he was unwilling to kill Ozai when Aang had *definitely* killed a bunch of Firebenders before that point. Like, sure, the show doesn't draw attention to it much of the time, but he definitely kills a *lot* of people through his actions. Also, I'm sorry, Energybending was not set up well enough for it not to come off like a massive deus ex machina. There was pretty much no buildup, and no resistance to him getting it. Aang just whines about not wanting to kill; is told by 2 of his past lives that sometimes you *have* to kill people, and then he more or less stumbles upon the solution to that dilemma. It's shockingly bad writing for a show as well written as ATLA.

I'm being completely genuine and sincere here, can you please help me understand what you mean? I know the last couple of seasons took a turn to positively ludicrous as a result of George RR Martin leaving and the writers that remained trying to create a formula of unpredictability as a trope... But other than that I honestly don't know much about the GOT discourse. (If you just want to give me a title to a video essay I totally understand.) I'm just confused as to how a show reliant on things like dragons, a woman who can survive being burned alive, ice monsters that make ice zombies and necromancy / other forms of resurrection somehow the game show for people who 'can't understand fiction'? I want to emphasize I'm being so sincere here. I genuinely want to know what exactly is being referred to by your statement. (I don't have a strong opinion about anything other than just a desire to know more about yours.)

It's not GOT's fault that people have bad media literacy, especially since the ending was actually good. People wanted a different ending but the one we got was actually in line with much of what we'd been given in terms of the themes and characters for 8 seasons. People SAY that the execution was bad but I disagree heartily. Also, GOT is the holy grail that all fantasy is trying to emulate nowadays so the show was actually quite impactful and good.

It's especially weird because the more seriously Game of Thrones was taken by the mainstream, the more they leaned in to the fantasy element. Like they really toned down the magical elements in the earlier seasons except the parts that were REALLY necessary plot points (white walkers, dragons), I believe because they thought mainstream audiences would find it too nerdy or whatever. Clearly not the case because people loved the dragons enough that they made a whole dragon series afterwards.

I will never forgive Game of Thrones for being nothing but torture-and-gore-porn and sometimes borderline actual porn pretending to claim legitimacy as "fantasy" when a big chunk of the audience was really just people watching it for the depravity and shock value who couldn't have possibly cared less about the actual fantasy genre. Terrible show for its whole run, beginning to badly botched end.

@@Nuvizzle It's because that's how the books function: the fantastic elements increase the longer the story goes on. Also, given that you have a finite amount of screentime, you need to choose which elements you keep and which parts you leave out. The story is overwhelmingly focused on the political intrigue. The magic elements are just the icing on the cake but without the cake what good is the icing?

exactly, they work on his anxiety and insecurities in the show already

🤷‍♀️ censorship, legal or societal, kills.

Glad to know you still trust and respect the og creators after Korra

​@@uria3679 What are you on about? He never said anything about the creators, just their work, specifically atla. Is every good movie made by a bad director bad through osmosis?? Damn, I guess I can't enjoy A New Hope any more.

​@@ItsAllNunyait isn't even censorship. It's just devoid of actual art or talent. Because it's designed to be. Corporations don't want stimulated, thinking, inspired adults. They want vapid, shallow droids

And I guess I should stop watching Tim Burton movies cause somewhere down the line he really lost his touch in making original material. 🤷

Watching Gyatso and Sozin duel it out in a Dragonball Z style Beam clash was so awful. Like yes, these two just so happened to meet each other on the battlefield. What a worthless connection just to add it in there.

And the most ironic thing is that they completely undersell the power of the comet. When we see Ozai use it it's unsettling. The way the fire sort of explodes out of his hand and it's sounds like a scream, and the smile he gives while displaying is power is kind of terrifying. In this show, they do nothing to make you believe Sozin's Comet powers them up because they do nothing they can't normally do other than hover a little bit and then verbally say it makes them stronger.

literally, the reveal of the skeletons when they visit the air temple was sickening to me even in animation, PLUS w/ the release timing while we're watching a genocide happen IRL in palestine... its just so horrific

@@thecactusinthevalley4657 I fear it will expand to the West Bank, Galilee, and the Naquab

It kind of is already there. the settlers in the WB immediately got uber armed up. The only reason there's no massive bombings is bc of those settlers live so close@@jonathanhosh4459

Well fighting is a mix between strength and technique. That's why MMA and kickboxing has been confirmed to be the strongest martial arts. There's a video of a chinese MMA fighter taking down several Kung Fu masters at the same time, after which he was practically banished by the chinese government for "besmirching" the chinese culture, when he was only trying to prove a point. Mastery of any martial art is impressive, but to say raw physical power isn't required is straight up wrong. Especially if the context is being a Warrior

Isn't it a bit different for warriors fighting other warriors though? Like if the other person you're fighting is 300lbs and also has similar skills, strength would matter a lot more?

@@La0bouchere It depends a lot, because size doesnt equal strength, and again, many martial arts have techniques for people who are fighting bigger people, its the whole "use their weight against them" thing and use your own skills provided by your size. For example, Bruce Lee was smaller and lighter than Bolo Yeung but he could have defeated him simply by being more into strength training and by being as fast as he can be. So it would depend on the individuals because that's not even getting into specific techniques. At least from what I could gather.

He not only doesn't wear the "dress" (it's not though, they are dressed like samurai) but he also doesn't wear the makeup: which has a lot of real world meaning. Course the show has Asian actors playing the fire nation, but white actors playing the *heavily indigenous-coded* water tribe. So instead of a criticism of how East Asian countries and the US have treated their indigenous populations, we get Yellow Menace nativist rhetoric... and that's somehow "apolitical" in a time when the US's biggest economic rival is China? Yes, I know the Fire Nation is supposed to be Imperial Japan, but it's not like Americans can tell the difference. Ffs, Sokka and Katara are supposed to be Inuit. Like my God, you took a show with Native Americans and a Shaolin monk as the heroes and somehow made it propaganda pushing a war with China. No wonder the original showrunners quit.

@@sophiejones3554 You know that the actors playing Sokka and Katara are themselves Native Americans, right?

@@GermanLeftist no, I didn't. Thank you for correcting me. What I was reacting to was that in the cartoon, they were darker and visibly different which helped the work make a criticism. But of course, it isn't the director's fault that those with darker complexions tend to avoid Hollywood. My bad, for making an assumption.

@@sophiejones3554 Truth be told, if I hadn't read it before hand, I wouldn't have known it either. They're definitely white passing. But that's not surprising, considering how many Natives were forced to become part of white families, to put it mildly if you catch my drift. Also, neither of these actors is Inuit. They just chose random youth actors with Native background.

@@GermanLeftist yep ;) And yeah, Inuit actors would have been good since that's what the water tribe was coded as. The other problems with the script Jessie mentioned (I admit, I didn't watch the live action show and haven't paid a lot of attention to ATLA for a long time) make me suspicious this wasn't just a case of not being able to get the ideal actors. But it is good to know they maybe didn't *intend* the nativist interpretation, since they may not have realized just how white-passing the lead actors were. I do know that can be somewhat a matter of individual perception.

I agree. It’s also Netflix making a version they can own if licensing rights for the animated show get expired. I’ve noticed the trend though for shot for shot remakes of animation while adding nothing new and not acknowledging animation as a medium. I don’t mind live action if there’s a new story to tell or a new take on it but just retelling the same story seems lazy and often ends up looking worse than animation.

I see it as another mark against it. Trying this again was straight up belligerent

Those certain Avatar Fans: if this leads to a Korra remake, I’ll keep supporting it

I'm not convinced the movie helps the series. I think of there was no movie, it'd just be another bad live action anime (not anime, but you know what I mean) But with the movie as an example of everything you shouldn't do, and still failing this badly, it really makes me wonder why anyone even bothered. How did you so thoroughly fail here? You already had a big shining example of what not to do. There's also the One Piece live action, that wasn't perfect, but at least had fun characters. We know how to do this now. And we know very well how not to do it. So why would you go backwards? Why would you bother to make this show with no characters? It's so baffling.

​@@rachelh2816This is why I didn't mind (despite the company's - well deserved - reputation) Disney's live action Cinderella. Were there certain things that irked me? Yes but they were unrelated to understanding the core of the original (what aspects were necessary to keep for it to actually be an adaptation) changes: what to update, flesh out ect. Is it my favorite? No. Neither Disney product or Cinderella film. However *by contrast* it is a significantly better film than most cross media remakes/reboots and certainly better than what Disney did with their most hyped attempts after the fact. (I especially think of Mulan and Beauty and The Beast - no offense to Watson but regardless of how well loved or talented your lead is, they can't carry an entire film - that also had serious production issues/questionable execution - on their own.) --- I know it's not a perfect and also ancient example but it's the best I can think of off the top of my head.

100%

As Sun Zu said: it’s better to water down a character than to water down war

The part about Aang makes me particularly sad :( He's just a kid. He's not perfect. None of them are

Yes. This. All this

​@@jewels3400 He's a kid who has just realized that his entire culture and people had been wiped out. It totally makes sense that he would be more serious after that. It was unrealistic how he immediately went back to his jolly, carefree self after such a traumatic experience in the original series.

​@@crystalclear7512 He's still a child. He isn't gonna have the maturity to truly understand the weight of what happened. Making him "Super Serious" is cliche cringe that has been done with practically everyone else in the series. They removed ALL the unique character traits that made avatar...AVATAR...and watered it done into generic crap that EVERY other show is doing😑

I know absolutely nothing about anime so I could be wrong lol, but I’ve heard that the one piece live action worked quite well and fans of the show have responded fairly positively to it

an incredible number of people are just straight up [blank] illiterate. they don't understand how to understand, or think about _anything._ they see the surface of the world and refuse to look any deeper under any circumstances, they just do the dance they were trained to do like good little monkeys.

Just how Frozen II is made by folks who do not have the foggiest what made the first Frozen so appealing.

@@alexandergilles8583 One Piece while still flawed is a brilliant adaptation because the people behind it actually get what makes the anime fun and interesting to watch. The Rurouni Kenshin live action movies are also extremely good adaptation of the manga because of the same principle.

They are scared to be criticised by hateful conservatives who don’t want to see anything that confuses their world view. And that’s pathetic. You’re right, we all watched Sokka in the kyoshi warrior uniform, and guess what, many of us still “turned out” straight.

They took "inspiration" from a full course meal and provided hollow junk food and are surprised that people who wanted a full meal aren't satisfied.

ya’ll r seriously overthinking this sht. its not supposed to be a carbon copy of atla that was the whole point. If people want atla then simply watch the original.

So, if they don't want kids to be put in a cult it means that they don't want to have critical thinking even tho the whole point of it is that said radical ideas remove the critical thinking from it's members. It is funny how people in this video claim these sort of things yet can't stop making strawmans of what their ideological oponents want by using a series as an excuse for it, it is very ironic

​@@Dario-uj6qo"can't stop making strawmans" "don't want kids to be put in a cult"

@@kamota8523 that's what they are refering to when they say that they don't want radical ideas to spread to children, how is that a strawman? I didn't say they were right or wrong but that acusing them of wanting that loss of critical thinking was untrue because of what they actually want, claim and belive weather they are right or not

I mean that is one of teh core of conservatism "dont question anything follow tradition"

@@seliamila1005 aside fron the response I have already given there are a few other problems with your statement 1) no everyone who is againts these sort of things is a conservative 2) even if what you said was true it would still make sense to be critical about core thinkings that do so 3) many conservatives don't give a f about what others do or think, they just live and think with that mindstate because it is what they choose, they just don't want anything inforced to them or others

It was a once in a lifetime experience and I hope younger generations get to experience something like that too. Just because something is made for kids doesn’t mean you have to dumb it down or be okay with the story being trash. When I was 9 I didn’t understand everything completely but that’s ok. Me and thousands of other kids loved it anyway and we were even more excited that on a rewatch it not only holds up but there’s more to enjoy

Is that a real commercial? fucking dystopian

"hey kid, don't you wanna have honor and shit like Zuko? He's really badass, well, you can do ecerything he does AND MORE if you come with us! You'll also be able to bend metal and make it fly onto inocent people! Just like Zuko with his fire!"

Where can I see this ad?

HUH??

Holy shit that's insane!

I wouldn't want my kids to watch zootopia because it has such a poor understanding of racial politics and systemic oppression that I'd be worried it would make them stupid. Admittedly I'm black so I guess mileage varies, but Zootopia feels like such an odd comparison when there's plenty of media (like MAUS) that delve into dark topics without endorsing them.

I hate that when writing out his sexism they also wrote out all instances of gender nonconformity. Sokka wearing a kyoshi warrior outfit is important to respect their culture. And aang wearing kyoshi gear to summon her was also taken out. Though the way they introduced kyoshi isn't bad, losing these funny and cross dressing moments was a huge loss for me. And then the way they handled sexism in the north was so preachy, and I hate that they basically wrote out the importance of katara's necklace. The entire series plan to make aang feel guilty for running away is also poorly executed. I hate how they changed bumi to just be a bully to aang instead of the master earth bender he is with mastery of neutral gin and patience. Oh no, let's just make him a senile old man who has lost all motivation and hope. Now instead he's willing to kill an old friend because of his own mistakes. Aang should never have had to teach bumi about patience and hope, I don't care if he has been fighting for 100 years, a man who gives up is not a man wise enough to teach about neutral gin. He's supposed to be a master earth bender after all, who also happens to be a part of the White lotus, a group that never lost their way and hope. The strongest of warriors of their respective tribes.

"The people working on this seemed like they worked hard" They all do. The people who made the movie worked hard as well and got harassed for it.

Did you watch it, or did you just repost other people's rhetoric opinions instead of your own. Most people like the show which is contrary to headlines and click bait biases.

I like the actors, watching them interact in interviews is better than the show. Which is so sad and frustrating for me. The writers let them down.

Maybe dont write "females" if ur trying to argue against sexism, just saying

This is a ridiculous complaint, the original series states that the air nomads are, under normal circumstances, pacifists & do not have a standing army, not that it's impossible or that they're unwilling to fight back. If you literally go back and watch the southern air temple you might notice the piles and piles of firebender armor surrounding Gyatso's corpse, meaning he definitely took a number of them with him. I have no idea how showing the air nomads defending themselves from a brutal genocidal onslaught equates to both-sidesing.

Add the fact of how the comet enhances a firebender's ability to a ludicrous degree--which it didn't in the live performance--and it inadvertently understates the brutality of Sozin's goal.

and with it coming out right now..? doubly unfortunate.

​@@davis1733it's not just about gyatso being able to fight at all or not, it's also about *how* they fight. They fight as if they are trained warriors, when they really aren't.

They're famously pacifists. Not saying that they would just lay down and die but you're right. Showing them duking it out against the firebenders looks cool yes, but it misses the entire point about the fire nation genociding a monastery of pacifist monks.

The thing about Kyoshi that made sense to me was geogarphy. This universe Aang can only connect his past selves if he in their shrine. Kyoshi Island is close to Southern Air Temple and it makes closer than the Roku's Shrine. So Aang connecting to Kyoshi before Roku makes sense. They nerfed the past Avatars connection a bit. Kyoshi did say that the Avatars are shaped by the times they lived in.

​@@whitneymohrhauser8753I'm kind of curious how they're going to portray the lion turtle scene in book 3 then.

​@@davidgonzalez0913 I'm calling it now, the Lion Turtle will not be in this show. But Aang will still defeat Ozai with Energybending at the final moment, just this time with absolutely 0 set up.

​@@kjj26kI doubt it. The Netflix show so far is better at setting up things that will happen than the cartoon. It is just that some people complain that characters have some different scenes now because of the live action showing hints of the character growths by now already.

​Btw my friend. Zhao already name dropped the lion turtles in the season finale. Which means it most definitivly will be in the show.

she was soooo interesting in the cartoon, the response of "i don't really see the difference" when aang says she technically didn't kill chin showed sooo much about how she viewed her responsibilities as the avatar, she knew that it was technically his own stubbornness but because she was the straw that broke the camels back in terms of getting the job done she still takes responsibility for her actions even if theyre not great ones

Question. They only had 8 episodes. They HAD to cut something out. What would you have cut out?

I'd cut the whole thing, it didn't need to be made

@@RK-cj4oc the issue is obviously not only cut content, it's the mangling of what was left.

@@RK-cj4ocNot an excuse to butcher the storyline and have bad writing. If you missed the lesson of the story, you missed the only thing you HAD to get right. Like come on. Let’s not make excuses here. If they have less episodes, they should cover less but DO IT RIGHT. The writing was so god awful, despite the fact they already had the script/story from the original series!? Yeah, no way in hell am I making excuses for them.

@@RK-cj4oc They Took a half hour longer to tell less story with less deep complex meanings and lessons do not blame time constraint The run times are different but about 30 minutes and in favour of the Netflix the cartoon did all it storytelling with 30 less minutes.

Yeah. Because the original Avatar is a kids show. This one is made for an older audience. Not reinforcing the cycle of violence is great and all, but kinda hard to show in live action when people are getting burned alive and Fire nation catapults are crashing down on people.

​@@RK-cj4ocYeah, it's not an easy thing to do, but you should do it anyways. That's sort of the point you're supposed to make when you take a moral stance? Giving up because it's hard defeats the point of morality entirely.

Watching those scenes kind of gives me "See Suki is a girl because look she likes Sokka like a girl would. She's not that different because 'abs'." Like the way Suki is looking at Sokka in a way that sort of objectifies him in order to show us that "yes she's still a girl."

Omg same. I just couldn't stop thinking of real world events.

People like you are sso annoying...

Especially the terrified kids hiding and the Fire Nation forcing their way past the door…

The terrified kids especially made me think of the kids hiding in their homes bedrooms, while the Hamas banged on the blocked doors. Especially with the ambush happening at night on completely unsuspecting civilians without any warning. :/ And how they eventually went in, looked these kids in the eyes and killed them infront of their parents. Innocent death is horrible in general, but something about the „intimacy“ Hamas terrorists where in with their victims, while still being able to commit those horrendous acts on their bodies, makes me feel at a loss for words. And this not just having happened once, but thousands of times. None of these scenes unfolding on 7.10. looked cool and none of the people standing infront of their kids to protect them, died fighting spectacularly. They were just raped, mutilated, tortured by other peoples hands. The natla scene was so reminiscent of these events and yet looked and felt NOTHING like it.

Haven’t watched yet but that’s so disappointing to hear. Those themes and message are very needed in today’s world. Like does the Earth Kingdom has the right to self defense against an occupying colonial Fire Kingdom?

Considering how Korra made the people saying “Land back” into villains (Kuvira, Earth Queen). And how the fire nation became good because zuko, its not surprising for this franchise.

The Earth Queen wasn’t “land back” for the sake of her people, though- it was made very clear that she only ever cared about herself. Kuvira was an example of control and order being taken way too far. And of course Zuko would make the Fire Nation good again?? Why wouldn’t he???

@@randomspider725 I agree. The original show was written to be very antifascist and critical of the abuses possible under centralized government-i.e. the Earth Kingdom using censorship and brainwashing to control its citizens. Half a century later and we see similar abuses in how the Earth Queen wants to conscript her citizens to ramp up military power, likely to expand her reach. Kuvira, meanwhile, is an examination of how dictators rise to power whenever there's a power vacuum after civil unrest. It was never "Fire Nation bad everyone else good," everywhere the Gaang went, they encountered structural issues that affected regular commonfolk. LoK had many faults, but that wasn't one of them imo.

@nico8256 That's all very much inspired by real events, though. Kuvira's regime is easily comparable to Russia and China while the Fire Nation went through the same development as Germany post-WW2. How is any of that pro-colonialism?

Didn't even shave off his eyebrow.

I think it shows they had no confidence that the actor could deliver ‘teen heartthrob’ *while* having a horrific scar over one eye. The actor should object 😄

Wtf are you talking about someone needing a real scar for, did you forget makeup artists exist??

I think ypu completely missed the point​@@hz9537

@@hz9537uhh...you know that makeup and special effects are a thing, right?

I feel like they still could've combined the sexism with the anxiety and insecurities. Insecurity and sexism actually goes hand-in-hand a lot of the times, especially given the fact that his dad told him specifically to look after the village and his sister.

I think the Zuko and Iroh storyline is far better in this live action version than the animation. Watching the backstory and seeing the reason Iroh cares about this little sh*t really helped make Zuko likable. Gonna be honest Zuko’s change in the cartoon isn’t done great.

​@@majorlazor5058???? zukos arc is universally praised as one of the best character arcs in television history

@@majorlazor5058I deeply disagree with you 😂

@@nyxtheria that is funny if you actually believe that. It’s just a redemption arc. Maybe is the best for a cartoon.

@@mrs.chrispark4907 Was it great … or were you eight?