Man. They really turned this man from a background joke to a joke villain, then into a literal eldritch abomination set to obliterate the multiverse. Spot was honestly terrifying.
There's something more terrifying about a weak joke villain slowly getting more powerful and turning into a powerful, giant threat than just having the villain be strong from the start. It shows change and growth. It makes me think 'if they can overcome this much and get this much stronger, what else can they do?' they seem more dangerous and unpredictable.
You know, its pretty genius of the movie to make these moments comedic. The Spot wasn't just talking to Miles. I remember how loud the laughter in the theater was at the bagel bit in the first film. Add the chuckles with his debut, especially with the fight and Miles LITERALLY whipping his phone out and half-assing the fight. The Spot felt like a joke to the entire world. A joke to us as well. No wonder he felt desperate enough to infuse with the Core in Mumbattan. And now hes an unstable anomaly set to rip a dimension to scrap.
it was brilliant making the spot seem as a "joke" villain at first and then shifting him into a deadly threat that even miles and other spider men are worried about. It even fooled a lot of fans thinking he can just be easily moved away.
I like that they made it a lesson for miles to learn too about writing off villains. Spider-Man always treats his villains like they could be a legitimate danger and miles wasn’t ready to do that until the Spot became a catastrophic threat.
What makes this even better is the fact that the filmmakers never even planned this. They didn't know the bagel guy would end up being Spot until Avi Arad convinced them to add him. And they ended up tying him perfectly to the first movie and Miles' origin. Filmmaking at its finest.
The fact that I knew what he was talking about when he said "You hit me with a bagel" just goes to show how memorable the first film was and how great of a sequel Across The Spiderverse is.
It really doesn't because the bagel wasn't even the problem. The scientist only mentioned it so Miles can remember. The explosion that Miles "caused" is what cause him to be who he is now.
@@fuzzbutt4551 No, in the second movie they animated that the final collider explosion was where he had the freak accident. Yes, partially caused by Spiderman Miles when he switched it off, but the bagel was not the main culprit, just something the Spot just took personally against Spiderman.
I love how The Spot mentions the bagel in the same breath as him becoming an outcast and not even being loved by his family anymore. Like, they're equally traumatic to him.
@@SpeedBoostGamer well he turned evil because of the collider changing his appearance and then he got laughed at when trying to explain his problems. The bagel is just to make the audience go 'THAT GUY'
Even if he didn't have powers, that'd still be enough for a villainous origin story parody. "Spider-Man threw a bagel at me. From then on, I was... _The Bageler."_
If I had a nickel for every time a bagel nearly destroyed the multiverse, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but isn't it weird it happened twice?
To those complaining about The Spot’s retroactive inclusion in the first film: There’s a reason his opening scenes of the film have him insisting upon himself that he’s important. Spot normally wouldn’t be, he would just be a villain of the week, but his life was important to HIM and it was taken from him. He doesn’t want to be a Villain Of The Week, and he wants revenge on the person who ruined his life. It’s not important that he’s “The Bagel Guy”, he didn’t turn bad because of a bagel. That’s just a fun way to support the point that even heroes actions have consequences, the Collider incidents have an actual impact of the rest of the series (as a good sequel should do). It’s the point the movie makes about how Spider-People undergo “canon events” that, despite doing everything they can, bad things are still bound to happen to them, which ultimately make them better heroes. Miles DID create The Spot, and it turns out that Miles saving one day will eventually lead to the demise of Jefferson Davis. It’s poetic in a way.
Is that "Jefferson Davis" as in the President of the Confederate States of America? Or are you talking about some Spider-Man character I've never heard of? Because I'm not sure how a forgotten Civil War-era politician is related to a quest to save the multiverse from collapsing in on itself due to a timeline paradox.
@TheEldritchHyena That's the name of Miles' father: Jefferson Morales. His previous last name was Jefferson Davis. It's hinted he took his wife's name Morales to avoid being associated with his and Aaron's past history of criminal activities at least in the comics. He wanted to end the cycle. I imagine the reasoning for the Spiderverse Jefferson isn't too far from the comic book version. Although in Earth 1610 Jeff kept the name Davis, but in Earth 42 he's called Jefferson Morales
@@lemon-pop2923 Small correction: Miles’ dad actually does change his last name at some point between the first and second movie. The name tag on his uniform reads “Davis” in the first movie, then “Morales” in the second.
In the midst of Michelle Yeoh's "Everything Everywhere all at once", the Everything Bagel makes an appearance, and it's not just any bagel - it's a metaphor. The bagel represents everything the character holds dear: hopes, dreams, memories, and even mundane things like old report cards and personal ads. Respect the bagel
The fact a single bagel created a plot for a massive sequel is just another thing that makes these movies so great Edit: Jesus you guys obviously can't tell it was a joke...
it definitely didnt lmao the bagel doesn't even have anything to do with him actually being in the reactor, they 100% already had the character/storyline, then someone went "hey wouldnt it be funny if we made him the scientist that was hit by that bagel"
“All it takes is one bad bagel to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy.” -Joker (Batman: The Killing Bagel) (Wow, lots of likes! Thanks for understanding the ref 😂)
The universe is theorized to be a donut but physics warps it into seeming like we’re inside of something like a sphere. Maybe the universe isn’t a donut, but a bagel
I haven't seen the new movie yet, but knowing that apparently that bagel somehow leads to the creation of the most powerful villain in the multiverse makes me very excited
That’s how great the creators are they took a blink and you’ll miss it joke and turned it into something that would be come the most threatening villains in the spider verse
I never thought that the writer would even use a random guy in the background to be the main antagonist on the next movie The writers successfully made my shocking expression visible on my face
This was one of the funniest and goofiest moments in the first movie that got memed to hell. They really flipped this one scene from a goofy moment to a huge tragedy
SPOILERS UNDER THE CUT The second time the collider went off he got hit by the energy from it and turned into the Spot, an obscure joke villain from the comics who they made actually terrifying here. His powers are like America Chavez’s but 100% more creepy
If I had a nickel for every multiverse film where the entire multiverse was threatened by a bagel, I would have 2 nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
The way they had us put our guard down and think tht guy was a joke and then he ends up being the big bad is crazy writing. Them even connecting him to the damn bagel is crazy writing lmao
Literally he goes on a quest to stop being seen as a joke not just for spiderman but also for us that we just remember him from the other movie for being hit with a bagel
We get the same realisation as miles because we saw him as a joke too. Someone in my cinema yelled out “ITS THE BAGEL GUY” when he said “you threw a bagel at me”
Time traveler: moves chare a inch and changes the timeline. Multiverse Traveler: Throws a bagel at someone and creates a multiversal threat. ....Is this becoming a trend or something?
Ok but like the Spot has to be one of my favorite animated villains ever now. Amazing design and arc. Starts as a joke but then becomes a multi universe threat. With an air of tragedy because everyone abandoned him and is forced to listen to his "creation" Miles treat him as a joke. Like the famous quote says "Don't mess with a man who has nothing left to lose."
Inspired by 'everything everywhere all at onces' bagel that represented " we are all linked together, and our actions can affect others in ways we may never anticipate."
The bagel. To the spider-verse, it’s the reason The Spot exists. After a series of events happened in the movie “Into the Spider-Verse”, It made The Spot one of the most powerful villains in Across the Spider-Verse. So how this happened? One simple answer: The butterfly effect. You see, after that bagel hit the scientist who has become The Spot, a chain reaction of events happened throughout the movie. So that’s how The Spot came to be.
I had 0 clue that hilarious bagel gag would actually be used as a plot device for the sequel I about lost my mind laughing when Spot said "YOU HIT ME WITH A BAGEL!" I was like "THAT WAS *YOU?!"*
At first I thought this was a joke, then I watched the movie and it turned to be a fucking main plot point and cataclysm for a villain arc which could destroy the multiverse.
