THE BATTLE OF HELM'S DEEP (The HORNBURG) | Book vs Movie Differences | Middle Earth Lore

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Today we look at the differences between the J R R Tolkien books and the Peter Jackson movies for The Battle of the Hornburg, also known as, The Battle of Helm's Deep.
We look at many things that make up this battle, so sit back, get comfortable and enjoy!
Also, do not forget to leave a comment of "Book Helm's Deep" or "Movie Helm's Deep" to let me know which version you prefer!
And another reminder to help us get over 10,000 likes on the video for ever Uruk-hai of Saruman's army from the movie!
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0:00 - Introduction
1:01 - Subscribe!
1:40 - Book Summary (The Battle of the Hornburg)
4:46 - Your opinion - Book or Movie???
5:07 - Movie Summary (The Battle of Helm's Deep)
8:02 - How much of the story does it take up?
9:12 - The Build Up
10:49 - The Warg Attack
12:16 - The Soldiers (ELVES?!?!?!)
13:23 - The Breaching of the Wall
14:36 - The Armies (Numbers of Warriors)
15:23 - The Armies (Specific Characters)
16:37 - Conclusion
18:01 - Outro and Thank you!
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"Helm's Deep" - Alan Lee
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Tolkien (Trailer) - Chernin Entertainment
The Lord of the Rings The Two Towers (2002) - New Line Cinema
Helm’s Deep - (Artist Unknown)
Theoden King - Jenny Dolfen
Middle Earth - Klaradox
Gamling the Old Sketch - DanielGovar
Helms Deep - Chris Rahn
Men of Dunland - TurnerMohan
Helm's Deep - John Howe (1)
Attack on Helms Deep - Ivan Cavini
Helms Deep - Angus McBride
Helm's Deep - John Howe (2)
Helm's Deep - Alan Lee
Battle of Helms Deep - 1979 Tolkien Calender
Ride of the Rohhirim - HolyVarus
Huorn - MiG-05
The White Wizard - mistermoster
Erkenbrand - jdmoorethefirst
Ents and Huorns - gonzalokenny
The Two Towers Alternative Poster - (Artist Unknown)
Lord of the Rings - The Two Towers (2002) - New Line Cinema
Helms Deep (alternative version) - Joujeen
Men vs Orcs - Ryannguyenryan
Helms Deep - themico
Helm's Deep - AbePapakhian
Eomer and Rohan Riders - Ivan Cavini
Erkenbrand - travisJhanson
Erkenbrand, Lord of the Westfold - YoritomoDaishogun
The Hobbit - The Desolation of Smaug (2013) - New Line Cinema
Theoden, King of Rohan - ArtisAllan
Theoden - Magali Villeneuve
The Warden of Helms Deep - reau
The Riders of Rohan - SnowSkadi
The Ride of the Rohirrim - peet
Aragorn - akreon
Men of the West... darekzabrocki
Wolf Riders - Jakdaw
Uruk-Hai - JHKris
Haldir - Concept-Art-House
Across Middle-Earth - Lorien - ralphdamiani
Haldir - RuxandraLache
Helm Deep - sauronthegreateye
Gimli & Legolas - Sebastian Giacobino
Uruk - Chris Doretz
Saruman The Corrupt - RytJ
Saruman - NimwenHabareth
Leave Sauron To Me - GiovaBellofatto
Saruman - Concept-Art-House
Black Orcs, Uruk Hai - Skinny22
The Fighting Uruk-Hai - (Artist Unknown)
Dunlending Attack - Cristi-B
Eomer - R-Valle
Hama - NimwenHabareth
Haldir - LiigaKlavina
Aragorn at Helm's Deep - mlpeters
Theoden King - harliskudo
Helms Deep - BrothersHildebrandt
Helm's Deep - Valonia-Feline
Rohan Versus Uruk-Hai - Rofocale
Gandalf's Arrival at Helms Deep - Wegrash
Sauron's Army (Lord of the Rings) - mati-figueroa97
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@seanpoore2428 2 года назад

Also I love how in the book version it's Theodens idea(not Aragorns) to charge out with the dawn. Aragorn spends most of that conversation trying to think of how to get theoden to safety, only to see Theoden selflessly sacrifice himself so his people can escape through the caves. I feel like this sort of teaches Aragorn a little bit about what it means to be a King

@cegesh1459 2 года назад

Kings are tyrants. All of them. The end. But I See your point. Good take.

@seanpoore2428 2 года назад

@@cegesh1459 I see your point but this being RU-vid I'm going to need to break it down to a quantum level lol: only a sith deals in absolutes. Kings are people and As people they are a mixed bag of mostly bad with Some okay, and even a bad king can do good things (and vice versa) Also, this is LotR. The only morally grey realistic-ISH monarch is Denethor. Everyone else is there to serve as a heroic figure to stand against Saurons horde of cannibal monsters, which by comparison make most people look pretty alright, king or otherwise

@Enerdhil 2 года назад

Nice observation and point.👍

@seminoleboy96 2 года назад

@@cegesh1459 and democracy can be just as tyrannical. Perhaps even worse in its extreme.

@realsnipe213 2 года назад

And i love the counting battle which already has began between legolas and gimmli in the book. But at the end for me the film idea was more epic

@Enerdhil 2 года назад

One of my favorite passages in the book is when Aragorn stood up on the wall in parley and warned the Army of Saruman that they had little time left because the dawn was coming. It was one of many times that Aragorn seemed to say prophetic things.

@sartanawillpay7977 2 года назад

Was disappointed they did not have that scene when I first saw the movie, one of my favorites in the book.

@killayankees2 2 года назад

Books will always be better. But the scene of helms deep is one of the greatest scenes in the history of movies.

@isabellethedragy8248 2 года назад

fax machine saying facts

@mikepilkington2156 2 года назад

Disagree, the special effects in helms deep beats your imagination easy! I mean PFFT! When i read this my imagination at best was the old cartoon quality! Lol

@nightshadehelis9821 2 года назад

I had never heard of LoTR when I reluctantly walked into the theater with my dad to watch The Two Towers. To be honest, I thought the movie sounded a little bit nerdy when he explained the basic story to me. I just wanted to hang out with my dad and have a guys night out. It completely blew my mind. I had absolutely no idea what was going on and I was rediculously confused most of the time, but I didn't care. I was on the edge of my seat the entire time. It will always be my favorite movie of all time. It's a masterpiece to me.

@BestAnimeFights32 2 года назад

Actually no

@avrace2708 2 года назад

For me books were sometimes really boring and movies not, and some scenes are better in movies than in the books like death of Boromir

@A407RAC 2 года назад

YESSS - *"Yes. Yes! The horn of Helm Hammerhand shall sound in the deep, one last time!"*

@ChepsGaming 2 года назад

Forth Helmingaaaas!

@isabellethedragy8248 2 года назад

ELENDIL!!!

@laurenbernstein621 2 года назад

Book Battle of Helm's Deep - the elves showing up makes less and less sense the more you dig into the lore. Theoden's character is flattened, draining the fullness of his healing by Gandalf.

@DM-bm1vg 2 года назад

My opinion I like seeing the elves

@freebirdallen 2 года назад

Agreed. I sat in the movie theater thinking it didn't make sense at all.

@enigma9971 2 года назад

It was supposed to be Rangers; Aragon's kinsmen, the Dunedain of the North

@ricardorivera981 2 года назад

I can totally understand and wanting the movie to be more like the book, but also how Peter Jackson made the battle of the Hornburg more of an iconic and unforgettable scene from working with just a few pages is beyond genuine! Also for Hollywood purposes when you see the elves reinforcements out of nowhere it got me so pumped as a little kid back in the day, (still does)! Just my two cents!

@kratal122 2 года назад

I’d argue that movie didn’t have the time to even set up the context of why the elves showing up wouldn’t make sense, so for the purposes of the movie, I think we are to assume that that context isn’t applicable, making the inclusion of the elves acceptable. In the end, for an adaptation, it’s better to do something that doesn’t make sense BECAUSE you’re familiar with the source material than it is to do something that doesn’t make sense UNLESS you’re familiar with the source material, so long as you maintain the adaptation’s own internal consistency. An adaptation needs to be able to stand on its own, and I think it’s safe to say the The Lord of the Rings movies largely succeeded in that, even if things are inconsistent with the books.

@ryangoff4813 2 года назад

Book. For all his talk about “men” Peter Jackson always undermines the greatest triumphs of men in LOTR

@BillyTheBigKid82 2 года назад

Yeah, he has some kind of a boner for elves, that is super apparent...

@zacharynicely7127 2 года назад

I love the movie version, but I really wish the elves wouldn’t have shown up. It truly takes away from the feeling of “this is men, backs against the wall with everything to loose and still fighting to the last.” I would love to see more of the elves, but this isn’t the Last Alliance. This was men fighting tooth and nail for their own survival (and that of the women and children) against insurmountable odds.

@tominiowa2513 2 года назад

If a company of elves shows up, might as well have had Saruman's forces supported by Gundam mecha robots countered by Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli piloting Evas. 🙄🙄🙄🙄

@cegesh1459 2 года назад

Agreed

@skelo9033 2 года назад

I think it was a nice touch. It harkened back to the last alliance,as the last of the free peoples in the mark fight against evil.

@Enerdhil 2 года назад

@@skelo9033 Then Tolkien would have changed the first alliance's name to The Penultimate Alliance of Elves and Men.

@BillyTheBigKid82 2 года назад

Yeah, for me that was the stupidest thing in the whole movie. Helm's Deep was about the struggles of men, not elves. And I hated how Eomer was relegated to just a small side part in the movies...

@Ellthom 2 года назад

Despite how much I love the movies, there are some things about the Helms Deep battle that irk me... Legolas surfboarding on a shield down the steps while using his bow. Aragon and Gimli throwing themselves into certain danger against a large oncoming swath of orcs. But I do love the feel and sense of dread the movie gives off that feel straight from the books.

@dambrooks7578 2 года назад

I was so very excited at the prospect of the films, however I had not thought that such liberties would be taken. Jackson almost destroyed my love of the story, and this is before seeing Gimli turned into a comedy side note.

@elizabethanne8729 2 года назад

@@dambrooks7578 yeah I felt like the movies kinda did Gimli dirty.

@dambrooks7578 2 года назад

@@elizabethanne8729 I left my first time reading of the LOTR so enamoured for how strongly Gimli was able to confront and deal with the contradictions in his life and evolve into more, the film just took the lazy option too many times for me to feel happy watching it. I understand it had to be converted into mass appeal, but it often feels as if it is little more than a poorly edited mix of Gladiator, Carry On Cleo and Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey because it lack authenticity, has poorly placed "humour" when it isn't required and only leaves a bad taste in the mouth of the viewers, but most annoyingly is the reliance on typical Hollywood characters, as is played out in the "romantic tension" between Elessar and Arwen in a piss poor "Will they? Won't they?" 🤢

@tomfrost6049 2 года назад

@@elizabethanne8729 I haven't read the books, I've read Silmarillion but not LOTR... so I don't know how Gimli was built up exactly but I think gimli was brilliant in the movies. I mean John Rhys Davies playing him was awesome, but he was strong and swarthy and even though there was some jokes, like when the party was running after the Uruks that took Merry and Pippin and he was bitching about it, I felt the movie needed such levity. Legolas defying gravity and physics moments were annoying but for the casual like myself you're enjoying a fantasy battle, I can suspend my disbelief a little bit further without taking away from the major battle. I do feel robbed that in the movies you see gimli change a little but we don't see those major changes and how they come about, it's more through travel and killing contests his bond with legolas grows. Still, he's my 3rd favourite character behind Sam and Boromir, so I don't think they did him entirely dirty.

@tradeka4206 2 года назад

@@tomfrost6049 wait so you’ve read the silmarillion, seen the movies, but not read the actual lord of the rings? How? That makes no sense to me. Who would read the silmarillion but not read the lord of the rings?

@hopegorman2784 2 года назад

I absolutely love the books. But the movie version of this battle was just so epic!

@L0rdslashstab 2 года назад

The battle for Helms Deep is my favourite part of all 3 films. So much I've made a model of it for 28mm wargaming.(it's huge) I know the elves didn't come in the book but i do really like the costumes for them.

@joshelguapo5563 2 года назад

Oh I'm jealous of that

@legionarybooks13 2 года назад

Yeah, the fighting at Osgiliath and Minas Tirith in ROTK felt flat by comparison. For me this was mostly because the Gondor soldiers look utterly incompetent and pathetic. They're supposed to be professionals, yet they get their asses handed to them, even in one-on-one fights, against poorly equipped orcs half their size! While this is fantasy, one of my biggest gripes in these or historical films, is armour is almost always useless in movies, when in reality it worked very well. Even if they were a bunch of moronic incompetents, the Gondorian soldiers still should have been practically invulnerable in full-plate armour, except when overwhelmed by sheer numbers or getting whacked by a troll's hammer!

@L0rdslashstab 2 года назад

@@legionarybooks13 ye I'm not much of a fan of ROTK. The part where pippin and gandalf are on the wall as a siege tower disgorges it's orcs and gandalf is just clubbing orcs with his blade and staff and they just die instantly with a bonk. He wallops one in the neck with his sword and don't even brake the skin XD . Not like helms deep where Aragon is chopping off legs and running uruks through. Probably the best scene of the 3 films is Boromir's last stand where he fights with arrows striking out of him then Aragon's duel with Lurtz.

@legionarybooks13 2 года назад

@@L0rdslashstab, ROTK felt anticlimactic, in part because how awesome the Battle of Helms Deep was in the second film. Had the Gondorian soldiers just shown a shred of competency, making it appear that it is numbers alone that overwhelmed them, it would have worked so much better. And yeah, Helms Deep definitely had a more realistic, gritty feel to it. The fighting between the elves / men and Uruks was brutal. One part that always got to me was when the Uruk ram breaches the gate and it impales one of the Rohan soldiers. Savage.

@L0rdslashstab 2 года назад

@@legionarybooks13 rofl ye and the guy bashes his head on the gate as the uruks pull the pike back XD and Theoden stabs an uruk in the face with a spear XD it's awesome.

@AntonBylow 2 года назад

Fun fact: Gamling roughly translates to "old man" in Swedish! 👍

@emileclede4510 2 года назад

It is difficult to pick a favorite version when each holds its place in its own venue. I thoroughly enjoyed the books and I particularly preferred the idea that the King would lead and army to divert an enemy from the people -- elderly, women, and children -- in order to keep them safe. I agree that the wisdom of the King is tarnished by the movie version, but I can also see the reasons behind the movie-folks reasons for the change. There is a big difference between holding the attention of a reader of a book and enticing them to invest in the next book in the trilogy, and holding the attention and interest of a movie-goer and enticing them to invest in the sequel. Comparing the way a story is presented in a book as opposed to how it is presented in a movie is much like comparing apples and oranges -- two different venues, two different audiences; thus most often two different opinions.

@ianhaygreen9899 2 года назад

As much as I like the films and most of the changes, I didn't care much for the elves appearing in it. I prefer the book.

@ccornelius100 2 года назад

The book version is my favorite because it gives us my favorite quote "Eomer turned: 'I thank you, Gimli son of Gloin!' he said. 'I did not know that you were with us in this sortie. But oft the unbidden guest proves the best company.' " Not only is this a super dope moment in the books and even though we get the "don't tell the elf" line, the same scene in the movie loses some of its punch for me because Eomer is not there to defend the postern with them and joke with Gimlim but the unbidden guest part is so perfect and one of my favorite lines in all of Tolkien.

@stevemortorff7690 2 года назад

I prefer the book version for 2 main reasons: The elf army should not have been involved, and the Hourns and Ents were key and should have played a big role in the film.

@freebirdallen 2 года назад

Agreed. It was a tragedy how the Ents & Hourns were portrayed. The Elves showing up all the way from Rivendell to help defend Helm's Deep made no sense

@stevemortorff7690 2 года назад

And the elf who led them in the movie (Haldir) was not from Rivendell, he was from Lorien, and was busy defending Lorien from attack from Dol Goldie.

@stevemortorff7690 2 года назад

Goldur not Goldie, sorry for error.

@yungizeak6208 2 года назад

Your reasons for preferring the book is that the film isn’t the exact same as the book😂

@mestupkid211986 2 года назад

they were there, in the movie, just have to watch the extended edition to see them

@frankmueller2781 2 года назад

Dropping the 'Scouring of the Shire' from the movie is my biggest gripe with the movie. This actually the true culmination of the story.

@enigma9971 2 года назад

It is?? Not the final destruction of the One Ring? Okay. Not.

@lopirobinson1991 2 года назад

I like how Jackson didn’t ruin things with his changes. They work. It kind of bothered me how they created a female elf in the Hobbit that wasn’t in the book. It’s one thing to change scenes. It’s another to completely add a new character not in the lore. The extended editions of the trilogy is definitely the way to go.

@legionarybooks13 2 года назад

I didn't mind Tariel as a character, but the whole love story with her and Kili (or was it Fili?) was so monumentally STUPID, even Evangeline Lilly has openly expressed her disgust towards it. My only other issues with her and Legolas was they had way too much screen time. It would make sense for Legolas to have a cameo, as he is Thranduil's son. I assume he's not mentioned in the book, because Tolkien probably hadn't created him yet in 1937. But it should have been a cameo, like when they ambush the dwarves in Mirkwood, and left at that. Plus Legolas and Tariel are so overpowered, there's never any tension when they're fighting the orcs. I did see a fan edit that cuts the bloated 8 1/2 hour Hobbit trilogy and streamlines to a more manageable 3 hours, 45 minutes, making it far more enjoyable, and more in line with the book.

@Aaron-io8vw 2 года назад

They actuslly shot Arwen fighting at Helms deep but edited it out, you can see this in the behind the scenes documentaries from the extended editions.

@spencerkindra8822 2 года назад

@@legionarybooks13 In the last two Hobbit movies, Jackson was clearly trying to replicate Aragorn and Arwen's love story from LOTR. Two problems with that: 1. the love story isn't in the book so it's not going to feel organic, natural, or important to the story because it literally can't be. 2. He made it into a love triangle which was even more unnecessary. I'll defend adding Legolas to the movies. I've read that Tolkien wanted to make another edition of The Hobbit where he'd retroactively go back and add Legolas in certain parts but died before he could ever write it. I'll fully agree with you that Legolas being a video game character was really stupid haha.

@gwbgwb-mh3tq 2 года назад

Lurtz was added to the fellowship of the ring. Misogyny is un befitting for middle earth.

@legionarybooks13 2 года назад

@@spencerkindra8822, I didn't know that about Tolkien wanting to go back and add him in. I love the charcter, both in book and film, and think Orlando Bloom played it perfectly. But yeah, he was too "videogame-ish" even in the LOTR films. Doing his Super Mario impression in the Hobbit just left me groaning. The love triangle was also really stupid because it stemmed from a really lame dick joke. Plus, elves and dwarves HATED each other. That's why Legolas and Gimli's friendship was so special. Same as was when Galadriel gave Gimli three strands of her hair; something she denied her creepy uncle, Feanor, a few thousand years earlier!

@celestejohnston6613 2 года назад

While I can understand that the way Helm's Deep is portrayed in the film does lessen Theoden as a character I greatly prefer the film version and here is why. Because of the spectacle created is so beautifully done. The scene where Eomer on the crest of the hill shouts "To the King!" to when Gandalf on Shadowfax leaps into battle as the music crescendos is simply breathtakingly beautiful and gives me goosebumps every time I think about it. And yes the Lorien Elves do no appear in the book as they were occupied in Lorien defending their own lands, PJ wanted to show, I think, that all of Middle Earth's habitants were involved in its defense and he could not show the Wars in the North that were happening concurrently. (THAT would make a fantastic stand-alone film that I would most definitely go to see!!) Had PJ not filmed the changed Helm's Deep sequence so masterfully perhaps the character changes would have stood out as huge problems but he nailed it. It is masterfully done!

@Shaden0040 2 года назад

In the book Aragorns kinfolk, rangers of the north come to the aid of rohan. Not many, but every bit of help is help indeed.

@TJDious 2 года назад

Actually the Rangers of the north didn't arrive until after the Battle of Helm's Deep

@evancross9873 2 года назад

I would like to see the differences between the Shelob section of the story, along with all character differences, especially Faramir and Legolas

@elizabethanne8729 2 года назад

The SHADE towards the Hobbit movies 🤣🤣🤣🤣I LOVE YOU GUYS

@andrewhaldenby4949 2 года назад

Yes!

@coopersymonds 2 года назад

I'd like to see a video about the difference of Aragorn. He has a very different demeanor in the books. He feels very differently about his lineage and destiny to be king. He also has (at times) a level or arrogance about his power. Another big difference is he carries anduril the entire story. There are lots of other differences as well. I'd love to see a video

@davidkeller9345 2 года назад

I love when he nearly fights the Edoras guards himself and gandalfs laughs it off to save them. ‘Crazy old men and their love of their swords’

@enigma9971 2 года назад

Yeah. He doesn't doubt himself at all. He is impatient to get the sword and become king so he can wed Arwen

@Quick_and_Dirty 2 года назад

For what it's worth, I don't even 'get' fantasy, yet I find myself here night upon night, coming back again to this channel. I don't even understand half of it, but it's soothing & righteous, so I've allowed it in my life -- thanks.

@Enerdhil 2 года назад

Tolkien's fantasy reads like actual history. Maybe that is part of the appeal.

@rangerofthenorth1970 2 года назад

I was wondering when will you reupload this great video, we need more this book vs movie videos, just keep going!!!!!!

@jondkilla 2 года назад

Do Gimli book Vs film. He is a valued member of the team in the book and a comic relief in the films.

@freebirdallen 2 года назад

It was a shame the way the Dwarves are portrayed in these films

@jondkilla 2 года назад

@@freebirdallen very true and why I can't tolerate the Hobbit films.

@evilzzzability 10 месяцев назад

the movie depiction is absolutely epic, with some proper OMG moments. The way the outer wall is destroyed, and the wide shots with the ladders was using the medium of film to its advantage in a devastating way.

@swmut 2 года назад

I'm not necessarily critical of Peter Jackson choosing to leave out certain characters from the book. Eomer takes the place of Elfhelm (an interesting but not really necessary character), and the charge on horseback is much more thematic and epic. Jackson also adds a greater degree of tension between the overly cautious Theoden and the more heroic Aragorn. But it also makes Theoden's final ride in the Battle of the Pelanor fields feel like more of a character a - from feeble man to proud warrior

@SteveBelongie 2 года назад

OMG perfect timing I was just looking for this. Thank you so much.

@cursling9 2 года назад

The film version wouldn't have worked as a book and the book version wouldn't have worked as a film. The film version of Theodan made for more of a redemption story for the Third film, making his part more relevant. The introduction of elves also gives the film a chance to explore the influence of Elrond and Galadriel on Middle Earth which otherwise would have been completely omitted

@williambryaniv2923 2 года назад

I agree. His redemption and charge of the Return of the King is epic and one the best cinematic events in history. I really applaud Jackson for giving his character that awesome scene. I cry thinking about it every time.

@mestupkid211986 2 года назад

The whole story of the books was that it was MEN'S time to rule, and the influence of the elves was fading. They wouldn't have had much influence left, especially with their whole leaving the continent AND fighting a war in Lorien.

@Fafahrd 2 года назад

Good analysis! The way you point out how Theoden is diminished remind me that I thought that about Frodo. The fact that Jackson remove the Tom Bombadil's chapter has some good reasons behind, but the audience does not see the way Frodo takes care of his friends and stand up as the leader of the hobbits showing courage and will (even if Bombadil rescue them). The remaining of the movie Frodo looks like an agonizing hobbit being carried around, because we don´t understand why the other hobbits and some characters look up at him. It would be great to known your opinion about the portrait of Frodo from book to movies.

@Enerdhil 2 года назад

Don't forget the Barrow Wights were cut out of the movie too and Frodo had a much more important role in saving everyone at that time even though Tom Bombadil actually saved everyone.

@Fafahrd 2 года назад

@@Enerdhil exactly... I read the books in Spanish, so several characters and places names are different, but I refer precisely to the Barrow Wights events.

@chuntoon1 Год назад

A really really cool compare and contrast. I never thought of the lead up and importance within the story and how they played out differently, I only looked at the surface level of how the battles were different. Love a video that totally opens my eyes to a perspective I never knew existed

@darthmireus4182 2 года назад

Loved the video and would be very interested to see a comparison of the events in the mines of morea in the books and the film. Again love the vids keep up the good work!

@danielbyrd127 2 года назад

I went to go look at your previous channe a week backl and I actually was sad when i couldnt find the videos. Awesome to have found the new channel

@whichking 2 года назад

im tied on which version, there both pretty good in different ways. I would love to see a comparison between what really happened at Dol guldur please!! awesome channel and content guys keep it up.x

@groverbrown5152 10 месяцев назад

I really enjoyed this video. I now realize that reading this series of books is my next project. You have sparked my interest.

@shantanuchoukikar 2 года назад

While reading it , i got goosebumps when one of the soldiers scream " Anduril goes to war "

@blindspot117 2 года назад

id like to hear about the defense of osgiliath comparison. apparently the fighting prowess of the men of gondor is shown to be more then what we see in the films.

@tommyp6920 2 года назад

You are awesome dude keep it up. I love your videos

@mfwicbasterd477 2 года назад

Aaaaand subscribed 👍

@salmatosjr5285 2 года назад

The scouring of the shire was one of my bigger disappointments in the movie, but I understand that time is an issue.

@AudraT 2 года назад

That was one of my favorite parts in the last book. I was disappointed we didn't get to see it in the movie but I understood the timing issue.

@martyadams3172 2 года назад

@@AudraT Could have been another entire movie. The four returning Hobbits plus some new charactors, and some old charactors (from the book) like Tom Cotton, Farmer Maggot and Rosie revisited and expanded. It would be a bit difficult to bring in the now powerless Saruman, but could be worked in and around, since the non extended version of the movie didn't show his death. Could be made long enough with some of the events of the 4 years before Frodo leaves for the Havens, too.

@avrace2708 2 года назад

For me that was very boring moment in books and Im happy that it was cut from movies

@rodmus 2 года назад

Completely anticlimactic for a movie, the final boss was already beaten

@WarriorNoldor 2 года назад

I like both versions of the battle of helm deeps. It was epic.

@stephanolivier8528 2 года назад

Sry for being so late...never knew your AMAZING channel existed. Saw one video and you have my sub. Keep on being great🎉🎉🎉🥳🥳🥳🥳

@areithco 2 года назад

Movie battle. I'd like to see any video you want to do about Middle Earth. You do such an excellent job!

@micahp.4356 2 года назад

Love your guy's content!

@safshers3712 2 года назад

Love your work! Hope you get to 10,000 likes :)

@AndrewCarlisle11B 2 года назад

Great comparisons. I'll always love the movie scenes but I can't wait to read it for myself in the books. In keeping with Rohan I'd like to see more of Eomer, and also the differences with the army of the dead from book and film.

@JEBossTon92 2 года назад

This is one of the times where the movie does it better. I like the idea of Eomer having his moment, riding down the mountain with Gandalf. I like Theoden being a “lesser king” but still doing what is necessary and all he can do until the very end.

@Whowascooley 2 года назад

Hi! New subscriber here, loving the channel, thanks so much for the excellent content! As for Book vs. Film, I'm a bit torn. Mostly I prefer the books to the films but when it comes to the battles the films do such an amazing job with the fight sequences and spectacle of it all that I can tolerate the loads of changes made. The elves showing up led by Haldir is the only exception to this as it makes us wonder why the elves aren't helping more. As you say, in the books, the elves of Loth Lorien and even Murkwood are busy with their own fights. This point is understated in the films and makes the elves seem uncaring of the plight of men and Haldir's small host seems somewhat paltry. Like the elves can't be bothered to send more or something rather than being embroiled in battle for their own homes. As for the character switches, I kinda like that in the film. Eomer is one of my favorite characters and I like his role in the films. For the LotR trilogy, I love the events in the films and the book's events to mingle in my mind. (The Hobbit? That's a different story.) I would love more of these comparisons, perhaps the Hobbits journey from the Shire to Bree could be next? Loads of differences there. And a special thank you for the Tauriel slight, lol! What was Peter Jackson up to with that?? What, did the Lost island send Kate to Middle Earth to be a love interest for Kili? Maybe the lost island is actually Numenor, lol! Anyway sorry to ramble, keep the great content coming! Cheers!

@robertdobie3400 2 года назад

Two topics: the radical transformation of Farmir's character in the movies (which I do not like: I love the movies in general, but find myself skipping the parts with Faramir when watching them on DVD, such is my distaste for the film Faramir); the omitting the Scouring of the Shire (here I can see both sides, pro and con).

@tomfrost6049 2 года назад

Movie version by default as I haven't read the books yet. From what this video has shown me though I do like the changes they made for the movie, as you said too many characters and our attention spans are only so big for a movie. Eomers charge with Gandalf I thought was brilliant and dare I say a bit emotional, Gandalf says "Theodin king stands alone..." and Eomer just rocking up and saying "Not alone" just gives me chills every time. I agree that changing the last final charge from Theodins idea to Aragorn does kind of make him seem weaker however in the broader context, the movie is showing that his people are about to be wiped out and this battle has everything on the line so it's easier to give in to despair. Also this is the story of Aragorn and his rise to take his rightful place as high king, so he has to look stronger than any other man because he's our guy and he inspires everyone else, he manages to take Theodins mind from "I'm about to die and my people in ruin" to "LEEEEEROYYY JENKINS!!!". So I like the movie more by default, once I read the book I may change my mind.

@Lucky-tm6gr 2 года назад

I really enjoy this channel and you videos

@TheBrokenSword 2 года назад

Thanks 😊

@lostpony4885 2 года назад

Regardless of its small page count Helms Deep sure seemed like a major climax in the trilogy. As s little kid it takes a long long time to get to Minas Tirith and this battle fills your thoughts during that slow crawl.

@VinciGlassArt 2 года назад

God, I forgot how much I love all the old artwork, pre-Jackson. I used to hang out in bookstores for hours perusing the fantasy and gaming sections. Full of tremendous imagery. Lit my mind on fire in the best way.

@WHJeffB 2 года назад

Yeah, but a lot of the details in that imagery is just wrong. They often get the armor, weapons and other details so wrong you wonder if they even read the books.

@FantasySci5 2 года назад

That Hobbit movie burn around 9:50 nearly slayed me, I'm laughing so hard. I love the movie Helm's Deep sequence, it was very epic, but I do miss how much Eomer we get in the books and how he works so well with Aragorn. We don't really get that in the movies. Am I misremembering, I thought Edoras got attacked by wargs during the day sometime before this battle? Anyway, great video, thank you!

@billyjeffersoniv4344 2 года назад

Sorry I didnt even realize I wasnt subbed. I am now. Thanks for the great content

@ziusthefirst5387 2 года назад

Well done Sir.

@griffincrump5077 2 года назад

Great analysis, 1 subscriber added

@sk8legendz Год назад

I never quite got into the Lord of the Rings books as a kid however watching your channel makes me not only want to read them but any other book that gives me pieces of Lord of the Rings lore it's such a fascinating world and Sowell develops like Star Wars it's really enjoyable

@chuckharper9129 2 года назад

This is one of the few moments I have to give to the movie version. I still remember sitting on the edge of my seat in the theater memorized by the visual of the battle

@adrian-vasilebud4444 2 года назад

Book version whit Edoras empty and wargs atack ,17:35 Saruman s Army*,great video like always.

@DragonSlayerCommentariesHQ 2 года назад

Love the fact you used Lotro art to illustrate some stuff.

@changjsc Месяц назад

I prefer the movie version of the battle. Aragorn feels much more inspiring and kingly. The additions of his fall/report of the enemy, conflict with Legolas, and the way he inspires Theoden, are all for the better imo. Even the scene where he encourages the boy with the sword was inspiring. Theoden not snapping back to kingly courage immediately and being overwhelmed by the death of war, especially after being under Saruman’s influence for so long and dealing with the death of his son, makes him more compelling. The scene where he receives Aragorn’s encouragement was one of my favorite scenes of the battle.

@direwolf8608 2 года назад

I'd like to see differnce about Legolas from books and Legolas from movies. Also great video about one of the best battles on Tv history.

@Pooknottin 2 года назад

I'd like to see a video on all the deeds and words attributed to different characters between the book and the films. There's what seems to me a deliberate change in focus which glorifies certain characters at the expense of others. I'd also like to know your opinion of Denethor as portrayed in both film and book as it is my feeling that he is dealt with very poorly in the film adaptation, wereas he is a complex and tragic character in the book and another perspective would be interesting.

@highfist6754 2 года назад

Book Helm's Deep. Even though I saw the movies first and love them to death, I love how the books are so much more detailed and quite different.

@Funinightmare 19 дней назад

Got this suggested today and I want to say; Be at peace King of Rohan. Rip Bernard Hill

@grantwileyesq.5962 2 года назад

Re-reading lotr right now, so I'm eating these videos up!

@joshanderson5400 2 года назад

Book helms deep. Movie is still epic but I wish they would have made it longer. Love this channel!

@SauronTheDeciever775 2 года назад

Movie helms deep takes it for me. Enjoy it way more than the Book. Although I appreciate what the book does for characters, and how much more detailed it was. The spectacle of the huge on screen battle, mm mm mm

@jeffreyhumphrey3803 2 года назад

Another great video. Any interest in doing a video covering the different video games or the old animated movies?

@ariesstorm9577 2 года назад

It has been far too long since I have read the books to make a more fair or objective decision. However the movie depiction is visually stunning and to me it still stands as one of the greatest onscreen battles in cinematic history. The one thing that was a bit unnecessary to me was the inclusion of the Elves. For one, where did they come from and who sent for them that a massive task force was marshalled and arrived in time before the Uruk army did? For another the use of the Elves also robs Men from being the deserved stewards of Middle-Earth and capable of standing alone against evil, without the aid of immortals Elves (who were already fleeing at this time). I think a rekindling of the Last Alliance should have been reserved for the March on the Black Gate, as Men and Elves had done during the Second Age.

@richardr5878 2 года назад

I like the movie version because of the visuals. The elves showing up was “meh” and didn’t make sense, and I hated the final charge down the hill. Would have been a waste of fine cavalry. Overall, still the highlight battle of all the movies for me.

@davidwoodman7995 4 месяца назад

I enjoy them all, but the 1978 version of Lord the Rings depiction of the battle is by far the best. The mood of that scene mesmerized me as a child and led to numerous times of me recreating the battle in my imagination.

@ronnoc519 2 года назад

Ok ok, I subscribed

@bryceharrington5508 2 года назад

I think a lot of the creative decisions taken by Jackson and Walsh in the original trilogy all had intent and purpose behind them. Many nods to other characters and moments throughout the books. I think that the elves arriving at helms deep to support Aragorn is a nod to the sons of Elrond who accompanied him along the paths of dead and the subsuming battles

@gabrielcanejo187 2 года назад

Make a video about the differences between The movie and book versions of not Just the Battle of Minas Tirith but the others leading up to It, like the siege and battle of Osgiliath that had been going on for so long to their attack on the Pelennor Fields before the Rohirrim did it!

@simplyskrypt3914 2 года назад

Whether in the battle of helm's deep or in the rest of the movies in general, its a shame how underutilized gimli is as a character in those key scenes, compated to the books

@hildus7222 2 года назад

As much as I love the books, I do prefer the movie. The Uruks seem huge and imposing, but the charge down the hill seems amazing. It’s only shadowed by the charge of the Rohirim. I guess I’m just a sucker for the Charge of the Winged Hussars writ large

@taydude227 2 года назад

Then the winged hussars arrived!

@Enerdhil 2 года назад

The Book Helm's Deep is the only correct rendition of the battle.

@gyumii 2 года назад

This is possibly the only scene I prefer in the films; not plot wise, but just through raw feeling and emotion. It's unforgettably directed.

@Joe_Potts 11 месяцев назад

I've been playing the Lord of the Rings Online recently, and it's story is based more on the books, rather than the movies. I got my character up to the battle of Helm's Deep, and while preparing, i was sent to talk to Legolas, and he makes a reference to (or takes a jab at) the movie version of the battle, saying how magnificent it would be if the elves could be there, although they were too far away to help. Just an interesting thing i found that relates to the video a bit.

@Whenlifegivesyoulemonscrochet 2 года назад

I know there difference, I do believe that the difference are due to different format. To me they are both great for their format!

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@tuomaspolla3814 2 года назад

I like both versions: though I like how the battle is described in the book, and that the Rohirrim had 3,000 men (both defenders and reinforcements) to defend the keep from Saruman's armies with confidence than despair. What I like in the movie version of the battle, is that they have added to it a lots of drama and the desperation to the side of men: Theoden may seen as incompetent leader and king, but it's only because he felt guilty for letting his people down thanks to Grima and that he's trying to make it up to them, though his decisions made out of guilt and stubborn pride do not fit well with the heroes who try to help him, only them to end up to bite him back before he finally listens the heroes. The despair in the movie was also showed well, as the Rohirrim defending the keep was reduced to 300-400 strong force, made up mostly from the old or young ad inexperienced peasants, to fight against 10,000 strong well-armored and merciless Uruk-Hai with little to no chance to victory at all. I also like every detail of the movie version of the Battle.

@annaroselarsen4218 2 года назад

Yay!

@radm_ededwardramsbottom7930 2 года назад

All the above, please More Lore, More Lore!

@stevenmccart5455 2 года назад

It had been about two years since I last read the books when this movie came out but ,some of the differences I noticed most were the ones at helms deep. There are lots of reasons why elves didn't show up. And Theoden was healed by Galdalf and was a big hero and led the charge through the gate.

@oneanotherstudios 2 года назад

For another comparison video, how about Dernhelm? I LOVED the way the book hides Eowyn until her glorious moment of triumph. It's one of my favorite literary moments in any book. I was generally very happy with the LotR movies, but this one thing I would have changed.

@circedelune 2 года назад

I miss the wild men. That is one of my favorite parts of the book.

@DJFrankeeTNT 2 года назад

Just to throw this out there. Remember the scene with the slipped arrow that kills the Uruk? I know that actor who played the Uruk. He lives in New Zealand. He said he had to do the take a few times in the rain. Peter wanted the perfect landing of death. The way my friend lands on his chest and the legs come up for a second and then just plop. Anyways, both versions serve a purpose. Book and movie do justice. Even Christopher Lee who had faithfully read LOTR every year said that changes had to be made.

@jamiegregg9211 2 года назад

movie helms deep cool vid James liked it

@martintabakov2939 2 года назад

I would really like a video on two topics: 1. The life of Arwen 2. How do Legolas and Aragorn really come to know each other and what adventures they shared.

@TheBrokenSword 2 года назад

Tomorrow's video will answer a small part of that 😊

@beneisen6982 2 года назад

Movie Helm's Deep has really good pacing

@jeffaltier5582 2 года назад

Book by far for me. Elves at Helm's Deep ruined that entire section of the movie for me. My kids make fun of me to this day because I still complain about it. And I like some of the side characters like Erkenbrand . They bring a greater scope to the story to give us characters that show heroism that we are not following.

@BillyTheBigKid82 2 года назад

I hate that part too, don't worry. It takes away from the achievements of the Rohirrim. And the fact that Eomer wasn't fighting on the castle walls alongside Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas was a big disappointment...

@jeffs2935 2 года назад

More video- The battles in the Last Alliance. There are more in the book I like then in the movie. One Theodin’s character I agree with you. I liked that in the book he intends to take soldiers to fight instead of escaping to Helms Deep. Two Eromir going with them instead of Gandalf finding him. Third The Elves were ok, though it would have shown Rohan to be stronger fighting for themselves. Peter Jackson did a good job, though I would have had either Gandalf get more Rohiran to come or get the elves. Still it’s hard to make 13 pages into 10% of a movie.

@tonyjones4610 2 года назад

The book version for me primarily because of something you mentioned. I like the idea of the men of Rohan saving themselves instead of relying on help from the Elves. But, I did enjoy both.

@mattshiflet2919 2 года назад

I personally prefer the movie version. Having the entire population shored up inside gives the battle an extra sense of purpose and desperation. And having the elves enter the battle, bringing the two races, one to the aid of the other is extremely touching.

@ItsFritzz 2 года назад

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@seanstacks3436 2 года назад

I would love to see a BVM on Balrogs and other creatures in the lore

@Marqhll 2 года назад

Literally the only problem I had was the Elves showing up. I would have liked it better if it was all Rohan. I really feel like it kinda stepped on their moment. But they had a great moment at Pellenor Fields so it's all good.

@aqvist4696 2 года назад

"Gamling" in Swedish is literally a word for "old person" with a kind of negative clang. So as an early teen when I read the Swedish version of The Lord of the Rings I thought it was a mean nickname for one of the generals 😅 it wasn't until I saw the films I realised it was his actual name