Did not yet watch the video, but had a question about Jutland for quite some time and am posting it now to have a chance to be answered in the Drydock: Could Scheer hook around Beatty during the run to the south, leaving the old BBs behind as stopping point for the BCs and then having Beatty surrounded with the Scouting Group in the east, the modern BBs in the North and the pre-Dreadnoughts in the south? In my understanding, this was absolutely the germans' goal, would have prevented the chase to the north and therefore, probably, Jutland as we know it. Sadly, i do not have the ranges on hand to calculate if this would have been possible and do not know how far away Scheer had to go to prevent him beeing spotted during the "hooking".
What is your opinion on the the battlecruiser? on one hand we have the Battle of the Falklands which shows the ships strenghts, then then we have Jutland and Denmark striat which shows thieir weaknesses, it seems they are good in anything that doesn't involve other capital ships personally i'm conflicted and what like to hear your views.
Royal Navy: does something stupid Scheer: "This must be part of their plan! How can I match the wits of such a cunning opponent and beat them at their own game of 4-dimensional chess?"
@@alexanderhartmann7950 If I recall correctly it was a running joke in the us logistics office and readiness division that hand picked a few quotes from different countries describing US doctrine during WW2: Soviets: "One of the serious problems in planning against American doctrine, is that the Americans do not read their manuals. Nor do they feel any obligations to follow their doctrine" (from a Russian document) Nazi Germany: "The reason that the American Army does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos and the American army practices chaos on a daily basis" (from a German officer) US Army: "If we don't know what we are doing, the enemy certainly can't anticipate our future actions" (Anonymous US guy)
I have this videos in the background on my laptop while playing rimworld on my pc. Did almost trow my keybord as i heard the old man! "WHUT?! Thats jingles! Were are the video infos? "Bing! You are being attacked" WAS?!?! Pause, Pause, Pause!!!! Goddamnit...
The fact that Beatty's horrible communication, which both his superiors and his inferiors had to compensate for, landed him a promotion rather than disciplinary action infuriates me.
I cannot agree more ! In my opinion, Beatty was directly responsible for much of what went wrong for the Royal Navy at Jutland and actually deserved a court martial, in no way did he deserve promotion.
It’s sorta like the modern day where ghetto abrasive people (usually but not always women) get promoted all the time in business despite making whatever business worse in the process
I’ve heard of people being promoted out of the way, but it’s usually away from serious duties where as Beatty actually got a promotion that carried weight. Truly a Whitehall Warrior.
@@chandlerwhite8302 As long as Wales was part of the United Kingdom, the RN was never out of names, AND could put 12 (or more) indecipherable letters strung together from various road signs in Wales, at the same time - like HMS Aberdaugleddau.
"Major Harvey's last act proves providential again as the heat and embers of the fire in what is left of Lion's Q turret ignite multiple further charges stored in the working chamber, the flash racing down into the ship - but finding only sealed doors and seawater, thus saving the ship from the same fate as her half-sister Queen Mary, fragments of whom are still falling from the sky." "If you are going to make that signal, you had better make it now, sir. You may never make another." This is chilling. Incredible production quality, especially with the model illustrations.
Spare a thought for F.J. Rutland. By the end of WWI, he may have been the world's premier expert on naval aviation. He left the service after the war, and accepted an offer to advise the Imperial Japanese navy on aircraft carrier operations. Remember, Japan had been on the allied side during the first scrap. By some sources, he gave them a critical hand up in development of what became the kido butai. By the second war, he'd left Japan. Some reports had him still active as a Japanese intelligence asset. He was interned for the duration. Died in bitterness. Remarkable story that would make a great movie.
Those casualty numbers are sickening. It's easy to imagine it's just big chunks of metal battering each other ,but when you're reminded that they're packed with over a thousand men and every hit received has extinguised an untold number of young lives, it's rather sobering .
Well said. Especially the way they die, it’s not a quick bullet like a battlefield, but instead it could be drowning, asphyxiation from the fire, burning etc.
Good job Bernhard. It was great for Drach to combine the best of army, air, navy, and lowly Patreons such as myself to create somewhat of a community magnum opus.
@@andrewdiez8353 my father was RN and he said the brits couldn't hit the side of a barn door. His ship was torpedoed in the Irish sea he was injured his face split in two he did survive.
30:24 "Aboard HMS New Zealand, Captain John Greene, also known as 'Jimmie', solemnly orders the Maori warrior skirt and green pendant, be brought to the bridge, where he puts them on. Thus enabling the supernatural protection that these items bestow upon his ship." THIS. This is why I am here.
Quite a statement for embracing diversity and multiculturalism in the Navy. Modern RNZN should make this practice regulation for all COs before action.
One point not sufficiently emphasized is that Beatty’s JOB was to scout and REPORT. Beatty was a classic example of a man whose social capabilities (e.g. fox hunting) weighed far more than his naval talents in determining his promotions. His neglect of the most fundamental requirement of his orders would have led to a court of inquiry and dismissal for a man with less powerful connections. It would have been easy for Beatty to have tasked a junior officer to report to Jellicoe every 20 minutes the position, heading, and speed of the battlecruiser force, whether it was all together or separated, conditions of the enemy, if seen, including heading and speed, whether engaged, and casualties either side. These few bits of information would have been invaluable to Jellicoe. Beatty was so deeply incompetent he should have been buried in a Potter’s field, rather than the place of highest honor.
Yes indeed. And yet he continued to be favoured and promoted. I have a book in which he is listed as one of our great admirals. He was eventually an Admiral of the Fleet and First Sea Lord!
That's how it always is: normaltrash win at life. Individuals who hate work and try not to work whenever they can but are nevertheless perfectionists who can't help trying their best are always hindered by hardworking social butterfly normal people who never really do anything usefull.
Sadly, there are no lack of Beatties around today, promoted again and again despite spectacular incompetence - and sometimes because of it - out of the need to pursue some social and political agenda. It's still the people who carry the real burdens of risk who pay the price for their arrogance and entitlement.
It’s my understanding that whatever his flaws as a commander he was an accomplished ballroom dancer and often danced on deck of his ship. That should explain a lot about his priorities.
I have a friend whose grandfather was a sailor in the German Navy during WWI and participated in the Battle of Jutland. He remembers his grandfather describing the battle as "boring"--that the ships firing at each other were too far apart for the average sailor to see through the fog.
I've long been of the opinion that Hipper was just plainly the better sailor compared to Beatty, and moreover that Beatty - in a rare humbling - knew it. Though it's not implied, I've always liked Beatty's comments upon Hipper's death: "I am very sorry. One would like to express one's regrets for the passing of a gallant officer and a great sailor." Hipper was certainly both.
Would Nelson have been so humbling if he had been beaten at Trafalgar and survived? He put his life for his nation , Beatty liked his own reflection with his cocked hat. That's the difference.
Hipper may have gotten the better of Beatty, but Jellicoe was a better sailor than he, Beatty, and Scheer combined. The battle would've been an outright defeat for the British were it not for Jellicoe's leadership.
@@Strelnikov403 Thats the tragedy in real life. Unfortunately there are too many competent people like Jellicoe who get shunted aside by incompetent blowhards like Jellicoe. Hipper was definitely more competent than Beatty though.
I can’t help but imagine a sloshed German sailor, with his uniform unevenly buttoned and mumbling song lyrics, with a handle of liquor in one hand and the ship’s wheel in another. And on his dirty hat, askew to one side, the word “Seydlitz”
@me hee Don't have to, I'm not a sailor, and my armchair admiral credentials aren't enough to get me on any USN fighting ship, sadly. I get remembering their sacrifice, and the horrors of war so that you don't feel tempted to repeat them, but thinking of flash-fried and disintegrated sailors won't bring them back, so why dwell on it?
I would have been even more appropriate if the drunken helmsman was onboard Derfflinger instead since Georg von Derfflinger was well known to have been a complete drunkard himself :-)
imagine how terrifying it must have been to be on one of the destroyers in the chaotic battle of the screening forces between the opposing capital ships.
So what I'm seeing here is that the Battlecruiser Engagement is basically a MOBA game, but one of the British players refuses to make callouts other than "I'm fighting them now!", and another one seems to have forgotten his push-to-talk button. We'll call these two players B33-T, and SayM00r, respectively.
@@CiaranMaxwell i mean, the minimap giving intelligence data means a lot of the guesswork is done for you. That, and you already know beforehand what types of ships you'll be fighting and how many.
At this time Japans navy in a 3:1 disadvantage crippled the Russians in a single battle and in ww2 Japan was very competent as well America just had a greater production speed and newer technology so out matched it and unfortunately no one listened to Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto and went for the carriers that being me and my sister ships Yorktown and Hornet Saratoga I think Wasp and Lexington
@@ussenterprisecv6805 The "competent navies" joke is meant to make fun of the Russian fleet, not the Japanese one. It references one incident where ships of the Russian fleet mistook British fishing boats for Japanese torpedo boats.
Lessons learned that day: Do don your Māori battledress on every occasion. Do not hoard and then deck the halls with cordite. Bonus Fun Fact: Flags only work if you see them.
I convinced my World history teacher to let me give a shortened presentation on the battle to a 10th grade class It was a bit hard to convey to them some aspects of the battle mostly due to them being 10th graders also because (being from Missouri) none of us had seen the sea let alone a warship There was a particularly funny moment when I was just finishing the run to the south when one student asked me “why don’t they use their sails?”.... it can be hard to be a naval buff in a landlocked state. Fantastic video as always!
Funny that, I had a similar experience sitting English exams as an adult, chose to give my short verbal presentation on the death of Groupe Mobile 100 during the French Indo China war.. I think the bored (at least one chose to demonstrate his ignorance!)teachers listening weren't aware of the French in Vietnam, one asked why the french were moving combat troops in a road convoy, they had plenty of helicopters........
First PowerPoint I ever gave was on the the attack on Pearl Harbor in 8th grade English. Unsurprisingly, it was also my first experience with my audience falling into “PowerPoint Coma.”
@ Commodore Squid Good on you young man. Passing on a very historical moment in naval warfare. Hopefully you can spark an interest in all of your class, but if you get ten interested then you have been successful.
In regards seaplane carriers, mention should be made of one small boat carrying the last official survivor of Jutland, Henry Allingham, who died aged 113 in 2009 (also both the oldest Britain and, briefly, world's oldest man). Henry, an aircraft rigger for the Royal Navy Air Service, was present aboard the trawler HMT Kingfisher, carrying a Sopwith Schneider seaplane. Henry was close enough to observe some of the the engagements and mentioned seeing shells ricocheting off the water.
Agree completely have imagined it on the order of Midway only with better actors. I just cant see it being complete with one movie, maybe a trilogy like Lord of the Rings. Special effects galore, no way would you Dunkirk it.
I think it's because it has a confusing ending technically it's a British victory, but they don't do much visible damage in a way you could display on screen. Therefore it will be a bit odd as only a few ships are sunk more British than German because the Germans ran away. Half the battle happens at night where not much occurs and doesn't involve main characters of the theoretical film. I think also the number of ships involved would balloon the CGI budget so much that, that alone would be too much if not bankrupt production before it's finished
@@Hollows1997eh, nowadays you can probably pay a game studio like wargaming for the rights to the 3D models and use them, or simply work with them for the CG. Not that it WOULDN'T be expensive, but it wouldn't be impossibly so.
Could do like Ford vs Ferrari did and use Beatty as a sort of "Antagonist on the heroes side" to tell the tale of the British doing their best under an obstructive and petty commander. Unlike Ford vs Ferrari, you wouldn't have to exaggerate or alter Beatty that much to make him a villain.
How about the invasion force sitting off of Okinawa, the largest seaborne invasion fleet ever assembled. The invasion fleet was larger than Overlord on D-Day.
Eh, the Hood probably took a 15 inch shell directly to the forward magazine though the main deck. And if she did then nothing short of that magazine being flooded before she took that hit could have saved her.
Edward Teach Not quite right. Hood was lost to a direct hit aft that most likely struck the upper belt, which was only 7” thick, before then passing through the upper armoured citadel slopes, before finally fetching up in or near the aft magazine. A one in a million shot.
@@crabbyguy2737 Ah, thanks for the correction. It has been a while since I looked at a detailed account of the hit. Either way the original point stands. Only better armor or an already flooded magazine could have saved her.
Edward Teach No problem, and aye, considering the hit she took, only the added armour from her proposed refit or a flooded magazine could have saved the ship, you’re pretty much correct there.
Retired recently and had a mighty list of things "I will do when I get the time". Discovered this channel and ,today, this video has made me take that list simply sail to Scapa Flow, scuttle it and settle back into a more productive and enjoyable retirement
Love the theatre. Just a friendly suggestion from a fellow creator regarding your guests' audio: considering running them through a compressor to flatten the dynamics and bring up their volume to balance it with yours. I find myself yoyoing my volume knob while listening in my car. Though even if you don't, I'll still be listening! Keep up the great work
Stunning work. Drachinifel, BZ to you and everyone who helped with this. I never realized how hard Beatty worked to hand the complete victory to the Germans.
This is truly an excellent account, amongst the very best I have read or heard. There is a lot I didn’t know or perhaps forgotten. In the finest traditions of this channel. There is an audio recording at the Imperial War Museum in London where a survivor from HMS Indefatigable, who was thrown into the water with another survivor, witnessed that man’s head taken off by a shell. In Steven Roskill’s book HMS Warspite, he recounts an officer dissuading two ratings from to chipping the fuse from a dud German 12’ inch shell during the battle. I am currently writing a verbal family account the battle.
Oh my god oh my god oh my god I’m a grown man and I’m giddy like a small boy for this video from you! I’ve been waiting for this for a long time. Thank you!
Yes, Derfflinger was firing in almost "practice conditions"... but failed to hit anyone for TEN long minutes! On the other hand, Lutzow and Moltke, the two ships targeted by two RN ships each, beat their opponents to a pulp!
@@shellshockedgerman3947 No, getting hit reduces combat efficiency and short shells obscure and impide sighting, it is definitely a disadvantage. Of course, the RN ships were lousy shooters.
@Jurassic Aviator 5th was the only exception due to their guns, 4rd had been in training for a short period only, them and Iron Duke were accurate at barely medium range and while firing unopposed.
Considering how the average loading time for battle ships was around 30-40 seconds plus the range and natural spread of shot, 10 minutes to do major damage isn’t bad.
Major Harvey VC, what a hero that guy was, genuinely amazing act of heroism, RIP. Also, I've seen quite a few documentaries and youtube commentaries on the battle of Jutland, but this is my favourite already!
Ah!!! The Harvey legend, lets see what Campbell says about it... "Two or three minutes after the hit, the Lion's Chief Gunner, Mr Alexander Grant, visited `Q' magazine, and while there, one of the working chamber crew arrived in the handing room down the trunk, and told the Chief Gunner the state of affairs. Orders were given for the magazine doors to be closed and later for the magazine to be flooded. At 162 8 the Chief Gunner was approaching the hatch to the handing room on the main deck, when a large sheet of flame came up the hatch killing several of the fire party in the vicinity. As soon as the smoke had sufficiently cleared, a party headed by the Chief Gunner went down to the handing room and other compartments, and found half the shell room crew in the shell room burned to death, as well as the magazine and half shell room crews in the handing room and switchboard flat. The paint in the handing room and shell room near the hoist was blackened and blistered but by no means all burnt, and the switchboard was blackened but intact. It was conjectured that the fire had spread from the gun-house to the working chamber via the electric cables as they were the only things burnt as opposed to blistered or blackened. All that is certain, however, is that a smouldering fire in the gun-house spread in some manner to the working chamber and ignited the charges there. The effect of the ignition of the eight charges that were between the handing room and 4ft above the working chamber, was very violent, although vented by the absence of part of the turret roof, and by the handing room hatch being open. The flame went as high as the mastheads, and `Q' magazine bulkheads were considerably buckled and bulged inwards although supported by the water in the magazine which had probably by then been completely flooded. If the magazine had still been open, the Lion would, without any doubt have followed the Indefatigable and Queen Mary. The above account is largely taken from Jellicoe's memorandum of 16 June 1916 which contained notes on the more important damage to the battlecruisers and the Warspite and was later reproduced in Grand Fleet Gunnery and Torpedo Order No 15 on the lessons of Jutland. There is no mention in this of the part played by Major FJW Harvey, RMLI, the officer of the turret, except that he sent a messenger to the bridge to report that the turret was out of action. Major Harvey was awarded a posthumous VC for giving orders to close the magazine doors and flood the magazine when he was mortally wounded; in the event the order to flood the magazine came from the Captain to the transmitting station, and William -Yeo, Stoker 1st class, special messenger to the transmitting station, was the man actually sent to order `Q' magazine to be flooded. The transmitting station asked for the order to be repeated, as the Lion had partially flooded `A' magazine in error at the Dogger Bank battle, and Grand Fleet Gunnery Orders after the action had indicated that the person in charge of a magazine, if there was no fire there, should take steps to find out why the order to flood had been given, and inform a responsible officer of what was occurring. In this case it was fortunate that `Q' magazine was flooded in time, as tests later showed that magazine doors as then fitted, were by no means flash tight when closed. As it was, a venting plate admitted a tongue of flame into the magazine but no harm was done. At that date magazine venting plates were fitted in handing rooms, so that a sudden pressure rise in the magazine from spontaneously ignited cordite would vent into the handing room and thence up the space between the fixed and revolving turret structures, and also up the turret trunk. They were not flash-tight in the reverse direction. Many lives might have been saved if orders had been given to clear the whole of `Q' turret once the magazine had been flooded, and it is not clear why the charges between turret and magazine were not returned to the latter before closing the doors, which would have prevented the cordite fire." Yeah, some British author wanted and succeeded in inventing a "hero", no doubt the guy had connections.
@CreedOfHeresy That is your first problem, if you dont know him, you dont know Jutland. www.amazon.com/Jutland-Analysis-Fighting-Maritime-Classics/dp/1558217592
@CreedOfHeresy LOL!!!! Yes, Campbell has no clue and has not written extensively on the matter to the point his book is the golden standard for the battle... but you know better... right? LOL!
@@trauko1388 I am utterly confused on what is being implied here. Do you mean that Harvey never existed by going off of Campbell's book? Or is it the other way around? Or neither?
@@chrisdebeyer1108 www.google.com/maps/dir/Wellington,+New+Zealand/Sydney+NSW,+Australia/@-37.2283274,153.9645018,5z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x6d38b1fc49e974cb:0xa00ef63a213b470!2m2!1d174.7731458!2d-41.2768778!1m5!1m1!1s0x6b129838f39a743f:0x3017d681632a850!2m2!1d151.2092955!2d-33.8688197!3e4 2225 mi
Castles of Steel by Robert Massie is an excellent and detailed book on each major battleship engagement including Jutland during WWI, amazing what people back then went through
Give one to Evan Thomas while you're at it, he's hardly blameless for the first turn mistake. "I am an Admiral, I am paid a large wage to command the most modern ships in the fleet. Yet it takes me 10 minutes (while still going North East) to figure out WHY my immediate commander has turned SE and increased speed." There's "obeying orders" and there's "being thicker than your armor plate."
@@drewdederer8965 As Thomas had Stated Following the Battle, He Had Believed Beatty Was to Signal a Different Course to Him. In Addition, Apparently, Those Within the Grand Fleet Had Been Taught to Follow Orders, Not to Act Without Them.
@@CapLP7800 Excuses, he was a freeking admiral, not a hollow suit. Plus he's recieved the same radio messages. And "only following orders" was listed as problem #1 right after the battle. Also "he believed" so he WAS thinking, just not very well.
@@drewdederer8965 As Commander of 5th Battle Squadron Beneath Beatty, It is His Job to Act Under the Orders of His Superior, Not to Act of His Own Accord. Just as It is the Job of Beatty Alongside His Staff to Correctly Transmit Orders.
@@CapLP7800 Beatty actually sent that order properly (by aldis lamp) it was missed. Thomas was not on the bridge at the time. When he got there he spent 10 minutes (running Northeast the entire time) to come to the conclusion that Maybe he should follow to the Southeast (he's an admiral he is paid a rather princely sum, you'd think he could come to the decision "follow the flagship" in less than 10 minutes (especially with an "enemy in sight" known). Evan Thomas salavaged a lot of his reputation in the later battle. But his dithering pointed out exactly what was wrong with the Navy. The system could not tell everyone exactly what to do, and too many officers did not think unless absolutely forced to.
Rozhestvensky: *smirks* Beatty: In your dreams, RAGEstvensky the Mad Dog! Rozhestvensky: Say that again and I'll kill you! Beatty: *sheepishly sarcastic tone* Scary.
This video, and the full series for that matter, are the Drach videos I’ve watched the most times. These and the adventures of the 2nd Russian Pacific squadron starring the long suffering Admiral Zinovy Petrovich (Mad dog) Rozhestvensky, may he rest in peace.
And may he rest knowing he will never again lay eyes on the Kamchatka. Just in case he did I'm sure the Heavenly Host would provide him with some suitably explosive binoculars to throw 👍🏻
Meanwhile the gun crew of Malaya, just having recieved a non-penetrating hit from a main caliber from one of the nine ships they were simultaneously engaging: "We had no thought that we should come out worse than the enemy, but wanted to know just how many German ships were still afloat to be finished off."
Beatty: "There seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today." Lion's Captain: "There seems to be something wrong with your bloody signal officer today."
Alternate history Beatty: there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today captain: at least you know somethings wrong just not that Beatty: well then what the heck is i’m not wrong. I’m never wrong Captain: yells You’re wrong all the time
It is absolutely astonishing to me he learned nothing from the battle of dogger bank and especially what almost happened to the HMS LAION. The Germans did just that and learned from SMS Seydlitz
My great grandfather was cook on HMS Laurel who picked up the few survivors from HMS Queen Mary. He said he'd never forget what he saw in the water that day.
Anybody else think they recognise the German voices from 'Military History Visualised' and 'Military Aviation History' ? Another couple of impressive guys.
Not even that... but all at once. Death coming not in ones, twos or even a rare dozen.... but potentially in the thousands with barely a moments notice.
Great to see this getting a special treatment and also going into detail on the command challenges, communications issues, and the still extant technical issues with fire control and the tricky North Sea environemnt.
I have never liked Beatty and this video does nothing to polish his reputation. Sadly, he *looked* the part of the dashing and daring Admiral, which rather outshone in the public eye Jellicoe's more measured and effective leadership. We should be grateful that despite it all, he never had to lead the full Grand Fleet into action.
Sad but true, Beatty screwed up almost everything during this engagement, Jellicoe's performance was generally excellent yet he was eventually replaced by Beatty
Beatty's stationing of the fifth battle squadron was considered defective, as leaving his battlecruisers in the lurch. You can argue that he had no opportunity yet to discern the potential harm to the so-called, splendid cats, but his error counted most on the day. Churchill wrote he was a cavalry officer at sea, which puts him in Custers boots, only he never tried to cross a river to obtain the native women, and never got killed while awaiting the fifth battle squadron. No insult to the natives, just highlighting the comparison.
Tactically, it was a German victory. The end result though was the British still maintained sea control simply by still having superior numbers. And while Jellicoe was ready to sortie within 36 hours, The High Seas Fleet, particularly the battlecruisers, would require considerably longer to be battle-ready.
46:35 holy shit, what a hero Major Harvey was. It's crazy how many heroic stories like his there are that never really get told, simply because there are too many
From Campbell: "Two or three minutes after the hit, the Lion's Chief Gunner, Mr Alexander Grant, visited `Q' magazine, and while there, one of the working chamber crew arrived in the handing room down the trunk, and told the Chief Gunner the state of affairs. Orders were given for the magazine doors to be closed and later for the magazine to be flooded. At 162 8 the Chief Gunner was approaching the hatch to the handing room on the main deck, when a large sheet of flame came up the hatch killing several of the fire party in the vicinity. As soon as the smoke had sufficiently cleared, a party headed by the Chief Gunner went down to the handing room and other compartments, and found half the shell room crew in the shell room burned to death, as well as the magazine and half shell room crews in the handing room and switchboard flat. The paint in the handing room and shell room near the hoist was blackened and blistered but by no means all burnt, and the switchboard was blackened but intact. It was conjectured that the fire had spread from the gun-house to the working chamber via the electric cables as they were the only things burnt as opposed to blistered or blackened. All that is certain, however, is that a smouldering fire in the gun-house spread in some manner to the working chamber and ignited the charges there. The effect of the ignition of the eight charges that were between the handing room and 4ft above the working chamber, was very violent, although vented by the absence of part of the turret roof, and by the handing room hatch being open. The flame went as high as the mastheads, and `Q' magazine bulkheads were considerably buckled and bulged inwards although supported by the water in the magazine which had probably by then been completely flooded. If the magazine had still been open, the Lion would, without any doubt have followed the Indefatigable and Queen Mary. The above account is largely taken from Jellicoe's memorandum of 16 June 1916 which contained notes on the more important damage to the battlecruisers and the Warspite and was later reproduced in Grand Fleet Gunnery and Torpedo Order No 15 on the lessons of Jutland. There is no mention in this of the part played by Major FJW Harvey, RMLI, the officer of the turret, except that he sent a messenger to the bridge to report that the turret was out of action. Major Harvey was awarded a posthumous VC for giving orders to close the magazine doors and flood the magazine when he was mortally wounded; in the event the order to flood the magazine came from the Captain to the transmitting station, and William -Yeo, Stoker 1st class, special messenger to the transmitting station, was the man actually sent to order `Q' magazine to be flooded. The transmitting station asked for the order to be repeated, as the Lion had partially flooded `A' magazine in error at the Dogger Bank battle, and Grand Fleet Gunnery Orders after the action had indicated that the person in charge of a magazine, if there was no fire there, should take steps to find out why the order to flood had been given, and inform a responsible officer of what was occurring."
I saw somewhere else that Beatty actually had an extra pair of buttons sewn onto his coat just so he could look cooler than everybody else. What a douche.
@@xwormwood RU-vid is working on some sort of educational platform with the main site, but there are a lot of problems with making common channels. I think under the current algorithm system, the compensation model, etc. it's best that they run separate channels. Expect some big moves vis-a-vis education from RU-vid in the next few years.
Given the recent history in social media, that worries me, but I admit that there are channels still up that I thought would be taken down. Let's hope.
@@cwulfe1 This American "thing" is so awkward to see. Do you go to Mcdonalds and say "As US MARINE I'd like a big mac". You can make a point without trying to score browny points you know
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I seem to recall hearing of some in Afghanistan that performed as well gravely wounded and under fire.
Thank you for this, Drach. The event was such a melee that elements tend to fall out of the picture. That the role of the smaller units isn't ignored is welcome.
In 1973, during the Arab-Israeli October war, my FBM submarine was deployed to the North Sea in order to encourage the Soviets to not interfere in that conflict. We were at 600 feet submerged, making 4 knots on station, while topside a huge gale was making 40 foot waves, and we were taking 10 to 20 degree rolls at that depth. I can't imagine what a U Boat would have been like trying to operate in those kind of seas from less than 200 feet submergence (more likely PD, with some unavoidable time spent on the surface recharging batteries), but merely broaching would have been the least of it.
This is the best I have seen on You Tube.. I especially appreciate the use of multiple people for the parts making it much easier to follow what is being depicted.
I love that you had all the important personalities in the battle voiced, while you narrated the action, it added another dimension to the telling that I really appreciate. This must be, what, the fifth time I've watched these Jutland videos, so bravo sir, very well done.
Yes yes yes battle of Jutland is by far my favourite event of naval warfare, very much looking foward to part 2 so thank you Drach for the attention to detail!
@@stephaniewilson3955 With Hipper rooting in Bavaria it is not an as far fetched choice to use an Austrian voice. But than MHV got to speak Scheer, from Lower Saxony. Unfortunatly the northern German slang fits to the Alps like Beatty to British Battlecruisers. We've seen it happen, but somehow it wasn't the best of all thinkable combinations. ;)
I think this is your best one to date Drach! Loved everything from the inclusion of the map with the miniatures to the use of some rather famous voice actors. Such attention to detail too. Looking forward to the next one!
Wednesday is my "beer day". I allow myself to have a beer once a week on Wednesdays during this pandemic times, being stuck at home. Now, Wednesday, Drach's video, my beer - its entirely new quality. I cannot wait for the evening!
This is a true masterpiece for history fans, plus having this all-star cast for impersonation of the ships is a real treat in itself. Love Admiral Jingle's style of narration, he is an amazing storyteller.
This is one wonderful piece of naval history made with the utmost respect and love for the fascinating topic that concerns us. Easily one of the most clear, concise and entertaining essay on this engagement i have ever seen. Outstanding work as always
"I took a very dim view of events" could have been the motto of the Royal Navy for much of what occured during the initial stages of the battle - as was aptly stated by Leading Torpedoeman Thorne aboard HMS Necator (at 42:40 of the video) when he saw what was transpiring. Together with Admiral Beatty's unforgettable "There seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today!", the two quotes are typical of British understatement. (It was also obvious that something was terribly wrong with the bloody signals the Royal Naval vessels did - or moreover, did not - send to each other and Admiral Jelicoe during many stages of the battle !).
Love the way you acted on requests for names of ships on the pictures! Really adds to the experience, and is greatly appreciated. The dates are a good bonus.
Having testimonials read out by the voices of various familiar and recognizable creators was fantastic. Drach I hope you bought them all around at the pub 😆
This battle has intrigued me since my older brother bought the Avalon Hill board game “Jutland” in the 1960’s. It was basically a miniatures game in cardboard. For one thing we didn’t have the floor space for it so we never really played it.
Ok I have watched a LOT of u tube and this (with all my favorite guests) is the best I have ever experienced. I literally don’t have the words to complement everyone involved.