The Battle of the Somme (WW1 Documentary)

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The Battle of the Somme was one of the bloodiest of the First World War. From July to November 1916, millions of men struggled to fight in mud, under crushing shellfire, or in a hail of machine gun bullets. The Somme has been a synonym for the futility of trench warfare, but also the subject of fierce debate - who really won the battle of the Somme?
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@TheGreatWar Месяц назад

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@toadtheparakeet8541 Месяц назад

The Great War always undermines German wartime performance and idolize the Allies

@pepperspray7386 Месяц назад

imagine being the guy telling a conscript "well it's a battle of attrition, i hope you said your goodbyes..."

@Matt_from_Florida Месяц назад

A war of attrition in Europe is happening right now.

@Dave1-08 Месяц назад

"There were no waverers, no stragglers, not a man looked back. It was a magnificent display of trained and disciplined valour, and its assault only failed of success because dead men can advance no further." British General Aylmer Hunter-Weston speaking of the action of the Newfoundland Regiment at Beaumont Hamel.

@andrewstevenson118 Месяц назад

My brother was on a tour and went to the Messines Memorial. He mentioned to an American that he was a Kiwi and our "memorial day" was April 25 and explained about the Dardanelles Campaign. The American replied that in his country, they only celebrated winners. My 6'5" brother said he was never closer to punching a stranger in his face.

@Shadooe Месяц назад

"Better Than the Best"

@Healermain15 Месяц назад

In other words, their officers sent everyone to their deaths in an impossible suicide attack. I can see why they want to talk about bravery and valour instead.

@GraceCole-qy6ul Месяц назад

“A northern soldier is worth 10 southerners!” Lmfao

@spg77777 День назад

It's easy to thump one's chest at brave words. What is it they say? "There's no glory in war."

@vjbd2757 Месяц назад

More than 600,000 Allied casualties for 6 miles of land. I see this as an absolute win!

@andrewstevenson118 Месяц назад

"Look, this is the amount of land we've recaptured since yesterday. What is the actual scale of this map?" "The map is actually life-size, Sir. It's superbly detailed. Look, look, there's a little worm." "Oh, yes. So the actual amount of land retaken is?" "Seventeen square feet, Sir."

@michaelsinger4638 Месяц назад

That’s an oversimplification.

@TheTutch Месяц назад

@@michaelsinger4638dude it's a comment on a youtube video...

@JFDA5458 Месяц назад

Death won.

@samueldawkins Месяц назад

@@TheTutch so what?

@sof5858 Месяц назад

5:50 The sad thing is, Charles died that day. His friend ended up marrying Bessie and looked after his daughter. RIP Charles May

@JFDA5458 Месяц назад

I was looking for a post on this before asking about it. Very sad.

@theheadshot45 Месяц назад

They actually say this in the video at 8:30.

@JFDA5458 Месяц назад

@@theheadshot45 They do indeed, however I read this in the comments before I got to 8:30 on the video.

@reallyhappenings5597 Месяц назад

That's why it's sometimes better to avoid war

@vinny8413 Месяц назад

i’d be sick if my friend took my family after i died

@Uncommoner Месяц назад

The assault of the Royal Newfoundland was doomed from the start. In no man's land there was a skeletal tree that command designated as a rally point; but being one of the only landmarks remaining in the desolation, the Germans used it as a sighting point for their guns. The Newfoundlanders that made it there were cut down mercilessly, and a replica of the "danger tree" remains in the spot where so many men fell

@christophgotz1411 Месяц назад

To read the last letter from the soldier to his wife just to hear that he died that day is just heartbreaking. I mean Hundreds of thousands died but the fate of that one human can have an deep impact in comparison to the pure number of casualties... Thank you for this Video !

@scottjuhnke6825 Месяц назад

As with the Great War, as a whole, no one won, Europe lost.

@RetreatHell Месяц назад

Britain certainly NEVER recovered, and it was the beginning of the end for that once-great nation and empire

@jrdsm Месяц назад

US won

@hisvin Месяц назад

@@RetreatHell France neither.

@anthonyeaton5153 Месяц назад

@@jrdsmWhen the US came into the war in 1917 didn’t see action proper until 1918. What you say is utter nonsense. Which university did you attend.

@jrturner7707 Месяц назад

@@anthonyeaton5153 Don't know if this is what they meant, but many would argue US 'won' because of everything they sold to the allies. Not war victory winning, but war profiteering winning.

@murmurrrr Месяц назад

Crazy coincidence, I was at Verdun last week and have been rewatching some Great War vids since then. Just two days ago I was disappointed not to find a Somme video, and here it is!

@KPW2137 Месяц назад

I was at Verdun last year. A powerful experience.

@ThealmightyMatt Месяц назад

Douglas Haig claiming after the battle that it was really about attrition reminds me of Erich von Falkenhayn's claims about Verdun. "Nooo, you don't understand! I meant for it to be a meat grinder! It was all about attrition from the start!" Ps. I'm loving these overview videos; they pair well with the weekly episodes, like chocolate and red wine 👌

@michaelsinger4638 Месяц назад

Haig didn’t pick the battlefield nor did he plan the battle. That was not his job. Henry Rawlinson did most of the planning.

@willkettle3959 Месяц назад

I mean, the Chantilly conference in 1915 already decided attrition was the way they would fight the war going forward...

@davidbowen5621 Месяц назад

Except that attrition was actually the goal of the battle of Verdun

@RegularOlSammy Месяц назад

@@davidbowen5621 Eh, it's murky on whether or not that is the case, and depends on what you read really IMO.

@chriscolton6329 28 дней назад

Kronprinz Wilhelm and The Kaiser did support Von Falkenhayn'account of Operation Gericht, after the war. The lack of written evidence is probably down to German Army records later being lost during Allied bombing, in WW 2.

@Shadooe Месяц назад

"The only visible sign that the men knew they were under this terrific fire was that they all instinctively tucked their chins into an advanced shoulder as they had so often done when fighting their way home against a blizzard in some little outport in far off Newfoundland." ~ Major A. Raley 1st NFLD Regiment

@PhilipKerry 21 день назад

I remember with fondness talking to my great Grandfather in the 1960's he was a WWI British Veteran and he fought at the Somme , we found documents in his personal possessions after he died aged 86 that shed light on his service . He was both machine gunned and gassed during the battle but still survived , when they say they don't make them like they used to they weren't joking . He was a quiet and gentle soul and you would have never known what he went through .

@Lockerus Месяц назад

WW1 commanders when their overly ambitious attack with no clear objective fails: “why we were trying to defeat the enemy through attrition of course”

@davewolfy2906 Месяц назад

Supposedly, that was Monty's plan for us British and Canadians in Normandy - after they failed to take Caen.

@tremendousbaguette9680 Месяц назад

I can't believe they tried to pull off a Falkenhayn on this one.

@MisterOcclusion Месяц назад

When your plan is attrition, you’ve already lost. Like throwing money into a slot machine, with the hope of breaking even.

@TheTutch Месяц назад

@@MisterOcclusionas long as you can take the rate of attrition for a day longer than your opponent you have a winning plan...its cynical but its winning

@freddieclark Месяц назад

@@davewolfy2906 No it wasn't, it was actually Field Marshal Sir Alan Brooke (CIGS) who believed that the way to victory was to conduct a war of attrition.

@RetreatHell Месяц назад

2 MILLION artillery rounds in ONE week…. Can’t imagine being on the receiving end of such a sustained barrage of artillery.

@andrewstevenson118 Месяц назад

Different war, but the US captured a VC at Dien Bien Phu. They couldn't believe his belligerence and confidence. And then a B-52 strike came in. He evacuated himself. High explosive does some horrible things.

@cde9952 Месяц назад

The reverberations would be insane

@Brslld Месяц назад

How did those artillerymen not go deaf lmao

@alexsky88749 Месяц назад

I wonder if that would bé possible today with modern artillery

@silasmerzenich Месяц назад

Germans fired 5 million shells just at march 21th 1918

@connoisseur9069 Месяц назад

Nearly every town and village in Britain have memorials to the men of 1914-1918 Now, our tiny village in Gloucestershire has a memorial dedicated to the 20 or so lads who joined, probably in those Pals battalions. I noticed that mostly all those men died during the Battle of the Somme. A entire generation of men from our village wiped out, poor lads.

@9Apilot 13 дней назад

That note at 6:00 breaks my heart. So many who didn’t make it had a similar story and life with people back home who loved them.

@Z1_The_Great Месяц назад

Well SommeONE won it

@lorenzogiuliani9144 Месяц назад

😢

@tiredredneck8159 Месяц назад

😂😂😂😂😂😂 I gotta know where ya heard that

@eddierobles2687 Месяц назад

Slow clap😂

@natheriver8910 Месяц назад

😂😂😂😂

@flogger8413 Месяц назад

😂

@bigsarge2085 Месяц назад

Fascinating and informative as always, thank you!

@paulmadryga Месяц назад

Nice to see a WWI presenter who knows how to pronounce "Newfoundland" correctly.

@jessealexander2695 Месяц назад

Helps that I am Canadian.

@alexkilgour1328 Месяц назад

@@jessealexander2695lots of Canadians seem to struggle with it, too.

@AtlasAugustus Месяц назад

Thank you for the hard work here and on your other channel. Sharp quality in these documentaries. Always look forward to more!

@jessealexander2695 Месяц назад

Thanks!

@StevenSmith-dc1fq Месяц назад

Excellent, and highly informative. Superb mix of even-handed narrative, pix, period film, and modern maps and data.

@jessealexander2695 Месяц назад

Thanks!

@joeadams3228 Месяц назад

Another well produced, balanced account of a pivotal time in the Great War. Keep up the great work!

@jessealexander2695 Месяц назад

Thanks!

@chriskimber7179 Месяц назад

I was the first guide at Beaumont Hamel This is very wel explained, and thank you for the mention of the brave Newfoundlanders

@jessealexander2695 Месяц назад

I was a guide at Vimy - coudn`t leave them out. :)

@brunovenancio8783 Месяц назад

Fascinating! I hope to see an analysis of the Battle of Passchendaele in the future.

@alansmithee8831 Месяц назад

The best way of imagining the effect on the British perception of WW1, in my opinion, is Mike Harding's song and live intoduction to it, called "The Acrington Pals". As mentioned in the video, the Pals from the same towns or cities, mostly in northern England, all dying together on the same day, at the start of this battle, was a disaster for a whole generation in those areas.

@duncandoyle7844 Месяц назад

brilliant as always. Captivating. Thank you

@jessealexander2695 Месяц назад

Thanks!

@alexamerling79 Месяц назад

You guys do great work!

@mohammedsaysrashid3587 Месяц назад

RTH channel is always sharing and introducing incredible, informative, and wonderful historical coverage epics ..like this work ...thank you 🙏 ( RTH) channel for sharing.

@billandmonicaschleicher9018 Месяц назад

Another great documentary, as always. Thanks for uploading, Great War team!

@jessealexander2695 Месяц назад

Thanks!

@simonbutterfield4860 Месяц назад

Some facts and figures I didn't know and well presented, great work guys.

@jessealexander2695 Месяц назад

Thanks!

@michaelsinger4638 Месяц назад

It’s quite fascinating reading about major WW1 battles. How the casualties between attackers and defenders were often very close. It shows how a lot of what is believed about how these battles were fought is, well myths. The French and Germans suffered roughly equal casualties at Verdun. The Germans lost almost as many men defending on the Somme as the British lost attacking.

@jessealexander2695 Месяц назад

What`s hidden in the final numbers for battles is that even the overall defendiong side (Germans on the Somme and French at Verdun) launched many counterattacks. These were quite costly, given that in general attacking was more costly than defending.

@shadwknight2172 Месяц назад

Nah they lost way less. That was a disaster!

@tinkmarshino Месяц назад

The soldier didn't win.. they never win they just suffer and die.. My grandfather was there and a few other places during that war.. He never spoke about to me when I was young.. but after I got out of the Marines back in 72 we spent hours talking about it.. I hate war...

@iwishiwaschrismacavoy8116 Месяц назад

I went to Beaumont Hammel in 2016, the monument to the missing British empire soldiers was truly staggering

@paulmadryga Месяц назад

The memorial to the missing of the Somme is at Thiepval. However, there's a smaller one at Beaumont Hamel in memory of the war dead of the Dominion of Newfoundland.

@iwishiwaschrismacavoy8116 Месяц назад

@@paulmadryga we drove to the larger monument, I didn't realize it was a town over. It was all of 5 minutes away

@paulmadryga Месяц назад

@@iwishiwaschrismacavoy8116 - Yeah, everything's pretty close there. Hard to comprehend that so much went down in such a geographically-small area.

@RobertsArchives Месяц назад

@@paulmadryga My 2nd Great Granduncle served with the Newfoundland Regiment in WW1, wounded at Gueudecourt on the Somme in 1916, he survived the war and lived till his 90's. We're currently having a Tomb of the Unknown Soldier being built here, it's being revealed July 1st, in Honor of Beaumont-Hamel.

@chinchillaman1 16 дней назад

Please do some special episodes / docs like this one for Argonne & Champagne! This and the verdun video are great

@DiegoDuran-or9cg Месяц назад

Otro gran episodio

@jessealexander2695 Месяц назад

Thanks!

@dansmith4077 Месяц назад

Great video

@jessealexander2695 Месяц назад

Thanks!

@whitearmourfilm Месяц назад

Great episode

@jessealexander2695 Месяц назад

Thanks!

@chriswatonek5549 Месяц назад

Rats and flies won. They had a great feast.

@natheriver8910 Месяц назад

Very interesting

@indianajones4321 Месяц назад

Another great episode of the great war

@catholicmilitantUSA Месяц назад

Another excellent video Jesse! I always regarded the Somme as a British victory because the Germans had to abandon that battlefield early in '17 to go behind the Hindenburg Line but after watching your video I now think it was a German victory containing the seed of their ultimate defeat.

@gwine9087 18 дней назад

My uncle's regiment was there. He joined up in 1916 but I do not think he was at the battle. Many others, including Vimy and Passchendaele but, perhaps, not that one.

@TheAnonymous4545 Месяц назад

The arms dealer won in somme

@amogusenjoyer Месяц назад

Not sure if they made that much money actually. At least in France a lot of armament production was nationalized at that point. Was it different in Britain?

@siyar-mc1xz Месяц назад

@@amogusenjoyer Brother ignore those people. According to them all wars are waged by bankers and arms dealers😂

@TheAnonymous4545 Месяц назад

@@amogusenjoyer some middleman must exist in the supply chain that probably got filthy rich from all the government contracts for weaponry

@sandran17 Месяц назад

@siyar-mc1xz 'oh no it wasn't our fault, us leaders of these countries, we totally weren't eager to start a war and take each other's lands, um, um, blame those people we bought the guns off to do it with, they're really mean and convinced us to do it, it's not like Germany was eager to expand its empire, France wanted to get revenge and Britain wanted to act like the global big dog!'

@WhyGodby Месяц назад

@@siyar-mc1xz It's projecting the modern world into that of 100 years ago

@Bostnfn Месяц назад

My great grandfather was in a Newfoundland regiment and was shot in the leg on the first day.

@StephenLuke Месяц назад

RIP To the 95,675 British troops, 50,729 French troops, and 164,055 Imperial German troops who were killed in the Battle of the Somme

@carcajou1018 14 дней назад

From the German source the British losses are 108 724 dead, 40 971 missing and around 6000 captured while 343 431 were wounded. The French losses is stated as 205 000. For the Germans we have 50 900 killed in action while 78 301 were missing and 273 132 wounded. The British captured 40 207 Germans in 1916 and most of them were at the Battle of the Somme. Thus total losses for the British Empire are above 450 000, for the French 205 000 and the German Empire between 420 000 and 465 000. As stated by Basil Liddell Hart "nothing but stupid mutual mass slaughter".

@andrewsoboeiro6979 Месяц назад

Jesse's mention of Clausewitz here confirms that he & Bret Devereaux need to do a collab; it would be glorious! Just picture it: Jesse: I'm Jesse Alexander... Bret: ...and I'm Bret Devereaux! Jesse: This has been a production of Real Time History... Bret: ...the only RU-vid history channel that drinks every time we say "Clausewitz"!

@thorstenlohmeyer988 Месяц назад

This is probably the best History Channel in RU-vid. Thank you.

@jessealexander2695 Месяц назад

Thanks!

@mattman3960 28 дней назад

This channel is like lil Belgium in the first world war, it just REFUSES to go silent. And i love it! Love u TGW team, love u Belgium lol (im not even belgian i just idk why the comparison came to my mind)

@superchug2469 Месяц назад

If possible do belluwood. Great video

@Alec.40 Месяц назад

Thanks

@marksummers463 Месяц назад

Great!

@jota6262 Месяц назад

The world remembers the Somme with the old saw about lions being led by donkeys. An old saying it turns out; this from the History Skills website: "The ancient Roman biographer, Plutarch, attributed to Chabrias the saying that "an army of deer commanded by a lion is more to be feared than an army of lions commanded by a deer"."

@welcometonebalia Месяц назад

Thank you.

@mammuchan8923 Месяц назад

The Charles May quote always brings tears to my eyes, it is so poignant

@fenecrusader Месяц назад

the amount of casualties is crazy

@duncandoyle7844 Месяц назад

Hi there just a suggestion by this time in America the dachshund was considered to be German and thus declined to the point where they were believed to be only 12 in the Americas maybe you can use it for your run next year

@user-zn7rg4uu3c Месяц назад

the owners of the coffin, cross, and shovel factory

@ceberskie119 Месяц назад

Ok history nerd calling out to thr math nerds here...at 6:40 theres a picture of an underground mike being detonated that was apparently ineffective...using the silhouettes of trees just to the left and the trees just in front seemingly about halfway between the cameraman and the blast. Id like to measure how tall the blast is and with that guessstimate how big the chunks of rock being thrown around are...the honored sons of the fatherland gotta have 5-6 foot wide chunks of clay reigning down for like 300 feet.

@shawngilliland243 Месяц назад

Chunks of clay raining down

@matthewmcneany Месяц назад

Like the war in general: Nobody won, some people just lost more badly than others.

@carausiuscaesar5672 Месяц назад

My great uncle was killed in the Battle of the Somme.

@aaronlaughter6471 Месяц назад

I love how the US was not even in the war yet, and Germany was still mad at us.

@johnwhitney2431 Месяц назад

Yeah, I was wait, what 😂

@robdgaming Месяц назад

The US was supplying artillery, ammunition, and some small arms to the Allies at the time, long before its entry into the war. Due to the British blockade, corresponding supplies could not be delivered to Germany. A small amount of supplies (I think mostly rare metals) were delivered to Germany on one voyage of the German merchant submarine Deutschland (later converted to an offensive submarine).

@jonkirk1309 5 дней назад

My grandfather fought in this battle with the NZEF.

@thehowlingmisogynist9871 Месяц назад

Like Jutland, the Somme was a tactical loss, but a strategic win. The objective to loosen the pressure on Verdun was successful, but at significant cost. The British took huge losses in raw recruits, but learned from it. This was the first step to the superb fighting forces of the 'Hundred Days' in 1918. Ludendorff said that the German Army would collapse if there was another battle on the scale of the Somme.

@NO-poleon Месяц назад

Can you make a WWI country video on the country of Liberia and the Central American countries?

@Annathroy 26 дней назад

It's funny because "Som" means catfish in Croatian and it's pronounced exactly the same. It sounds like the English heard it and made a massive mythology around this battle of the catfish

@samdumaquis2033 Месяц назад

Interesting

@9Apilot 13 дней назад

The more I learn about WW1 the more I wonder how they got anyone to fight it.

@justbot5806 Месяц назад

Does anyone know the background or context of the picture at 16:08 ? Is it surrendering troops together or all British troops wearing other helmets as a joke?

@waveygravey9347 Месяц назад

Souvenirs

@Esau2507 Месяц назад

12:01 oh I Got the reference!

@Captainkebbles1392 Месяц назад

The munitions industry tbh, the increase in requirements and investment was jaw dropping

@willhovell9019 Месяц назад

Shows the Anglophobic Petain and his later treachery up for what it was

@ReconPro Месяц назад

Hello folks, have a great weekend 😊❤

@statisticalanomaly8416 Месяц назад

Whoa

@rogerdudra178 Месяц назад

Greetings from the BIG SKY. My grandfather had 2 brothers there.

@DakkTribal Месяц назад

The fact this battle lasted as long as it did should be criminal. It should have ended when nothing was gained immediately.

@MaiussX Месяц назад

I did, got a receipt and all

@PSMCR69 Месяц назад

If the battle Somme happens again it will be on Colour film recording

@deee1979 12 дней назад

My grandad was shot in the elbow at the Somme. His brother and three cousins were killed in the war.

@jamesb6102 Месяц назад

It was ME, i won the battle.

@josephbray9979 Месяц назад

Congratulations

@Zorglub1966 Месяц назад

Ha! Ha! Ha! Amateur! It was me!

@jrdsm Месяц назад

You won the battle, but you lost the war.

@TheRealForgetfulElephant Месяц назад

after the legendary General James won the battle of the Somme he and his soldiers used the momentum gained from the victory to march on Ohio a few weeks later.

@jamesb6102 Месяц назад

@@TheRealForgetfulElephant That's me!!

@remko1238 Месяц назад

No one… its war so no winners

@unclejj13er75 Месяц назад

What a disaster. No wonder our world is so screwed up. My mom had an old uncle that fought in WW1, American side. He came back from the war very mean. He was a tough old son of a gun. Wish I had more of his old stories. Rest in peace.

@knightshousegames 2 дня назад

People in the 2020s: "Video games make kids violent!" Kids in 1916: "20,000 dead in the first day? I'd call that a solid day of work"

@talesoftheeldar8688 Месяц назад

Can the next documentary be about the Brusilov offensive?🙏🙏🙏

@jessealexander2695 Месяц назад

We did an episode on it, just look at our videos from last year.

@neonpowar3766 Месяц назад

@@jessealexander2695 Jesse the 🐐 2 steps ahead as always

@brianschmidt704 Месяц назад

Like most of the large battles of the first world war, Germany won the battle but lost the strategic advantage.

@robertjarman3703 Месяц назад

Where did your compilation of outro jokes for the Franco Prussian War go?

@bloodrave9578 Месяц назад

Many men from Lancashire would fall that day, lest we forget

@jankusthegreat9233 Месяц назад

@alexsky88749 Месяц назад

All those dead soldiers just to advance 10 kms in enemy territory. What a waste of human life..

@simonolsen9995 Месяц назад

Oooh! I know the answer to the question. Krupp, Vickers, Mauser, Enfield, Fray Bentos just off the top of my head. But the military/industrial complex of the day. That's who won.

@SonOfAGunYYH Месяц назад

in a shocking turn-around, the Ottomans won it

@awolpeace1781 Месяц назад

Over 500,000 casualties for 10km, what success is there in that?

@ClarenceCochran-ne7du Месяц назад

The Great War, to me, can be summarized as the True Cost and Consequences of Mutual Defense Pacts. Did we learn the lesson? Nope!

@jessealexander2695 Месяц назад

Ironically, one could argue if the Entente had been a more explicit military alliance, Germany would have known Britain would enter the war and not have invaded France ad Belgium. It's an interesting debate.

@adamazzalino5247 Месяц назад

Nobody wins in war

@robdgaming Месяц назад

Could lack of adequate training of the "Kitchener mob" have been a factor in the lack of British success? Thinking of a Gallipoli incident where two mostly-untrained British regiments were assigned to hold a strategic hill, and were driven off it by Turks under the future Ataturk.

@docholiday7975 Месяц назад

Haig wanted to postpone it for at least another 2 months for that very reason. The BEF was still too green and untrained for the task to his mind, but when you're part of a coalition, and a junior member at that, you've always got outside parties putting pressure on you to do things you don't want to.