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The Battle off Samar Part 1 with Jon Parshall-Episode 328

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This week Seth, Bill and good pal Jon Parshall get into the much anticipated Battle off Samar...Part1! The guys get into the background of the epic fight, the commanders on both sides, Ernest Evans, Ziggy Sprague, and others as they start to break down some of the myths surrounding one of the most well-known naval battles in all of history. The guys get into the ships such as Samuel B Roberts and USS Johnston of Taffy 3 and the aircraft as well. Tune in and see what the guys uncover as we dig into the first part of the discussion on the Battle off Samar during the Battle of Leyte Gulf.
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@jameshunter5485 4 месяца назад

Captain Toti’s knowledge of USN doctrine, nomenclature and organization adds a dimension not normally found in historical accounts.

@tonybanke3560 4 месяца назад

Couldn't agree more.

@USSBB62 4 месяца назад

I second the motion !

@flparkermdpc 4 месяца назад

Context, context is very illuminating.

@barrygeekler6458 4 месяца назад

The Skipper knows the deal!

@kokogdak8151 4 месяца назад

I'm about to make a club of Captain Toti's fans, in fact of Captain Toti's students, that would gather around him like Hasidic students around their Tzadik.

@phillipbartowsky2979 4 месяца назад

It brings tears to my eyes every single time I hear the story about Capt Evans and USS Johnston. The fighting spirit AND capability of that ship should live in every service member of all branches for as long as we exist as an organization. The honor, courage, and sacrifice of that crew and vessel got her enemies to pause and render honor where it was due. We are all privileged to even speak their names.

@flparkermdpc 4 месяца назад

First class accolade,, Phillip

@jimporter6084 4 месяца назад

It is no wonder Hollywood cannot make this movie. How could they possibly tell this story with the honor due to the Sammy B, Hoel and Johnston. 'No greater love has a man than this that he lays down his life for his friends.'

@bathsheba56 4 месяца назад

Absolutely! So well put! Truly a David and Goliath battle of unalloyed bravery.

@flparkermdpc 4 месяца назад

@@jimporter6084Well said, Jim 14:02 .

@phillipbartowsky2979 4 месяца назад

@@jimporter6084 I share your opinion. Hollywood skips it because there is no happy ending. There were few survivors from all those ships combined. Not enough for an underdog story. There is a dynamic of war and combat only the veterans of, know and appreciate. Sometimes events unfold and your number comes up. For the most part it happens so fast you don’t see it coming. But these guys were fully aware what was about to unfold and the chances of success were near zero. They chose to fight in any way they could and give the ships they were protecting the maximum amount of time to escape. They did not know just how successful their attack would be. Most don’t know that American units fight most fiercely for each other. You do the best you can for your country. But for the people you see everyday and rely on. People you know. That brings a fight few people even know they had.

@nerdypizza23468 4 месяца назад

If only Mr. Hornfisher could have been on the episode... 😢 Still excited for this long-awaited episode

@sundiver137 4 месяца назад

He is sorely missed.

@ralphregan1473 4 месяца назад

Amen!

@joelhume 4 месяца назад

Neptunes Inferno and Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors two of my favorite Pacific War books.

@wrightsublette1701 4 месяца назад

100% agreed. We all should toast him & Taffy 3 at the end of this series.

@jonparshall 4 месяца назад

Very much agree. He was a great historian, great agent, and great friend, and I miss him tremendously.

@markmclaughlin2690 4 месяца назад

My Father Kenneth McLaughlin served on USS Gambier Bay CVE-73 he passed in 1969 when I was 3

@klsc8510 4 месяца назад

You are just so lucky to have had your father in so many ways!! He had been living on borrowed time for 24 years. In a way, I am a touch like you. My Dad was wounded in action 4 Dec 44 just inside Germany. If that German Soldier had a touch better aim, I would not be hear to type this. We are here only by fractions that happened then. Salute to your Dad!

@flparkermdpc 4 месяца назад

I second kisc's comment. My dad lost his father at age 3 during the Great Influenza epidemic of 1918-22. Covid was a nothing in comparison. The 1918 Flu wiped out entire battalion sized units during the trip from Massachusetts to Atlanta. They boarded the troop train healthy, and half of the men were in a morgue car on arrival. His growing up with a single mother during the Depression was very different from what he would have experienced with his very successful father. That flu targeted the healthy and young, heads of families. Not So much, children.

@flparkermdpc 4 месяца назад

I'm very sorry that happened to you. Very saddened

@gbcb8853 3 месяца назад

@@flparkermdpc Likewise, from across the pond.

@ericfetz506 4 месяца назад

I live in N.Samar. the point that Lee could have plugged the San Bernardino St. Like Oldendorf did at Surigao is true.

@stephenrickjr.7519 4 месяца назад

Congrats Bill on your 41st anniversary. My wife and I will be celebrating our 42 in June. These shows are first class, for an amateur historian like me. To all of you, KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!

@MrFrikkenfrakken 4 месяца назад

Congrats Bill, the missus and I are celebrating #38 in October. Excellent show as usual Seth, Bill and Jon.

@elwin38 4 месяца назад

Me and my wife will be celebrating 30 in DEC.

@kenwphoto 4 месяца назад

Congrats to you guys

@jamesthompson8133 4 месяца назад

@@kenwphotocongrats

@GrahamCStrouse 3 месяца назад

I’m honestly impressed by anyone in this day and age that makes it much past 10 or 15 years on their first marriage. I was thinking about this recently after one of my high school posted some photos from her 28th wedding anniversary on Facebook & it occurred to me that she’s the only person from my various friend groups over the years whose spent more of his/her life married than single & been with the same person the entire time. I’m not normally a fan of participation trophies but in this case I feel like they may be warranted. 🙂

@neogoterra 4 месяца назад

I've always joked of Capt. Evans that it's a good thing the fletcher class had so much spare displacement, otherwise the Johnston would of capsized at the dock when Evans came aboard just from the sheer weight of the man's cojones. How the Sammy B managed with Copelands will forever be one of those unexplained mysteries.

@rwaitt14153 4 месяца назад

The Sammy B made a go of it for one reason. The crew. Copeland had his people practice sending EVERYTHING to the turbines. And they did. She ran and punched like a Fletcher. That ship did things that a John C. Butler-class shouldn't be able to do. She was merely a DE. But she did it. Duked it out with heavy cruisers. Her 5" guns were manually laid and loaded and they still shot off every round in her magazines. There is a reason they say she fought like a battleship. Copeland got every ounce of fight out of her. Shame he only got a Navy Cross. Probably because he defied explicit orders to go perform the heroics.

@flparkermdpc 4 месяца назад

All these locker room phrases in one episode commentary! An epic woke killing!

@brushhogg1 4 месяца назад

He ripped his shirt off....

@flparkermdpc 4 месяца назад

I'm slow. I got your Evans / Fletcher thought but I didn't follow you onto the DE/COPELAND quip. But I'm caught up. I guess the moment was too big for me. Truly an unbelievably historic instant. Kurita is still bewildered. I feel for the guy. He ran out of life substance at the wrong moment for Japan. We are seeing this in our own time.

@joemantz4160 4 месяца назад

I've been waiting for this one my grandfather was at samar he was in the Gambier Bay lucky he survived though wounded

@slimeydon 4 месяца назад

Great episode as always. Earnest Evans had a lot of John Paul Jones in him and was a legend, and legends live forever. Happy anniversary to Bill and his bride, cherish every second of your life together.

@USSBB62 4 месяца назад

In memory of John Paul Jones I fly the "Saripus Flag" every day. Fascinating historical story behind that Flag.

@brushhogg1 4 месяца назад

He ripped his shirt off....

@rikk319 4 месяца назад

@@USSBB62 Serapis.

@chrisschmalhofer4348 4 месяца назад

Congratulations to Capt and Mrs. Toti! Here’s to many more! Edit: curse you, autocorrect!

@danhenderson8007 4 месяца назад

Being an 82 yr old retired civilian who have enjoyed your entire series, I had always had a positive appraisal of Adm. Halsey, but this episode gave me pause about his leadership capabilities-I thought your conclusions were spot on. regarding about his decision making capabilities. Like the movie serials which I grew up with I was so disappointed when Part 1 ended and the comment “wait till part 2’. Keep up this great work!!!

@therealuncleowen2588 4 месяца назад

Halsey was great at Guadalcanal when the situation suited his style. We should never forget that, while also admitting that later on he made some big mistakes.

@coachhannah2403 4 месяца назад

Halsey followed orders. Perhaps he can be faulted for dragging the BBs along, but he was tasked with the destruction of the IJN CVs, which he proceeds to do.

@JLeonard-hy2bc 4 месяца назад

Both Halsey and Kincaid had target fixation. The former could have positioned his forces where they could cover both the Strait and the CVs. The latter could have kept half of his forces in the Gulf as he had (as we saw last two weeks) far more than he needed. And they had recon to show relative strengths. The dominant weapons for the US wasn't the gunships, it was the torpedos. The communication failure, or rephrasing, the communication setup approved by the JCS was a real problem. So blame falls to them as well for playing to personalities rather than organizing for victory.

@arcadiadragon3410 4 месяца назад

I think we can still laud and appreciate Halsey's early war commands and his leadership qualities...but we can also be critical of his errors and acknowledge that by late 44...the pace of the war had overtook his abilities the only real qualm i have about his character is the post war CYA he tended to practice but then again he was less egregious in that than others

@Bandit_actual 4 месяца назад

As others have said his early war deeds should not be overshadowed by late war mistakes, as they were much more crucial to victory. That said, wait until the episode about Typhoon Kobra. In the meantime you can check out Drahinifel's video on the subject.

@nkgoodal 4 месяца назад

Gents, another great episode. Loved the set up with the analysis of Halsey, and appreciate Bill's throwing in "branches and sequels" for us Army folks. :) I read several books about the Pacific, but my appreciation for Willis Lee just continues to grow as a result of what I've learned from you guys. I am fairly convinced that "gunslinger Lee" would have been a fine commander of the Big Blue Fleet as a surface commander in much the same manner as Spruance was. He was a career surface officer, but the man had an operational sense, knew how to evaluate risk, and didn't let his ego get in the way.

@jamesthompson8133 4 месяца назад

Totally agree on that!

@elwoodlodge7764 4 месяца назад

Captain Toti: "Our version is better." 🤣...Love it! 😁

@craigdillon3974 4 месяца назад

I wait for you guys all week now.

@dankelly2147 4 месяца назад

The anticipation makes me nuts! Absolutely the best commentary I’ve heard from start to finish about the Pacific war!

@douglaskillock3537 4 месяца назад

Congratulations to Captain Toti and the good lady. Great to see John back in with his nearly matching shirt and wallpaper combo. An old favourite

@devjaxvid 4 месяца назад

Ironically, it’s also the 37th anniversary of John’s wallpaper.

@jonparshall 4 месяца назад

@@devjaxvid Hahaha, that's probably not far wrong!

@klsc8510 4 месяца назад

Having cammo that matches your background is an admiral military skill! Think of the British airborne soldiers going into the city of Arnheim, Holland wearing forest cammo!!!

@douglaskillock3537 4 месяца назад

@@klsc8510 Fair point. John was using the Dazzle Camo theory last week

@lhartatt 4 месяца назад

You just cannot be better. This episode was outstanding.

@flparkermdpc 4 месяца назад

They keep raising their own bar! Bravo!

@matthewnewton8812 4 месяца назад

What a great episode. I actually love the fact that they split the naval battle episodes into 2 parts. Jon Parshall is absolutely one my favorite guests. So we get more Jon Parshall this way. And also the 2-part format allows them to go into real detail setting the scene, describing the battle practically in real time, then going through conclusions/the aftermath, all in exquisite detail.

@rembrandt972ify 4 месяца назад

The Japanese didn't stand a chance off Samar. They were outnumbered, 1 Evans to 0.

@ph89787 4 месяца назад

He went to Valhalla, shiny and chrome.

@zedoktor979 4 месяца назад

Let’s go Johnston 💪💪💪

@ramal5708 4 месяца назад

One of those Underdog stories, David vs Goliath stories and one of those showdowns where odds don't have an impact in the outcome.

@gregcollins7602 4 месяца назад

Hey! Y'all changed clothes for this episode. I really do love Torpedo Tuesday. This battle exposes the problem with the aggressive Halsey. Even a Russian captain who stole a nuclear submarine says Halsey acted foolishly. It's like he wanted what he missed out on at Midway. Congratulations Capt Toti to you and your beautiful bride.

@vvvci 4 месяца назад

kudos to Seth, Bill and Jon for highlighting the role of the little navy Wildcat fighters in this epic naval brawl. By this point of the war the Hellcats, Corsairs and Helldivers were getting all the glory, but since the escort carriers used the smaller Wildcats, in this battle, with no Zeros around, the dimunituve Wildcats were able to extract a measure of revenge for Pearl Harbor and all the other lopsided battles from early in the war. As the jeep carrier Widcats dove to attack the Japanese warships, their first targets would have been the enemy AA anti-aircraft gun crews, next was possibly shooting up torpedo launchers or depth charge racks to hopefully set off explosions, but undoubtedly many of the U.S. pilots aimed their strafing runs at the bridge on the enemy ships, inflicting chaos and devastation and, like Ulysses men trying to blind Cyclops in Greek mythology, repeatedly nearly blinding the Japanese ships' command and control throughout the extended battle. btw, a History Channel.documentary of the previous day's fighting (that sank the Musashi) had one first-person account by a Helldiver pilot who scored a 1,000 lb bomb hit directly amidships of the Yamato

@MyNivri 4 месяца назад

Thank you for this series. I had an uncle, a marine, at Guadalcanal, and his brother earned a purple heart on Yorktown. A lot of the history of WWII has been lost. (My father was XO in Army Force unit in Italy and his brother died at the Battle of the Bulge and I was in Viet Nam.).

@rikk319 4 месяца назад

My grandfather was a CPO to start WW2, served on several ships, among them the Lexington at Coral Sea, and abandoned ship with the rest of the crew as she was listing. He ended up sent to Annapolis for officer training, but he said he couldn't get through the calculus or whatever math they required, so he ended up back in the Pacific as a topped out NCO, which was just fine with him. His last ship was a destroyer that was torpedoed, and the ship's cook kept my injured grandfather afloat as his life vest was torn from him in the blast. They remained friends for the rest of their lives.

@markodeen4105 4 месяца назад

Great show ! Supplemental reading: The Last Stand of The Tin Can Sailors by James Hornfischer

@klsc8510 4 месяца назад

I have it and have read it.

@kensvay4561 4 месяца назад

Such a great book that.

@jaydee3993 4 месяца назад

I agree with Bill, the battle off Samar movie needs to be made. And made accurately. I did enjoy Greyhound. Thanks guys!!

@rikk319 4 месяца назад

First off, if you want a movie made of this historical event, there's going to be two choices--a documentary, which will be a visualization with narrative, not much different than what these fine gentlemen did in this video with either period film and still photographs, or CGI of what it would have looked like. The other choice would be a dramatization, with varying degrees of unreality, from Greyhound to Pearl Harbor. Don't forget that film studios--whether in "Hollywood" (as so many posters on RU-vid seem to think there are no other places film studios are based in) or not--are corporations, and that means their primary interest is not in accuracy of history, but in making money. Even a labor of love, like Ted Turner's Gettysburg, is going to be a very rare event with its combination of affection for the events and large budget. It's probably better that we just enjoy the bravery of Captain Evans and his brothers in arms through books and dedicated historians/retired servicemembers like this channel.

@rodneymccoy8108 4 месяца назад

I’ve waited a long time for this episode, and one of my true heroes, Earnest Evans.

@user-lj6fu6rc5j 4 месяца назад

Gentlemen I think this might be your best episode to date. Wonderful explanation of the mindset of Halsey, and the others. Spruance was criticized for not chasing the Japanese, and Halsey shouldn't have.

@WoodlandsArchive 4 месяца назад

Jon, dont fret! Shattered Sword gripped me. Had a hard time putting it down until I was finished.

@patrickchase5614 4 месяца назад

The Casablanca class carriers were purpose-designed escort carriers, not based on any particular merchant platform (unlike the Bogues and Sangamons that came before, which were both based on MARAD hulls that predated Kaiser). They were _very_ different from the Liberty ships, with about 4x as much installed power and twin screws versus single. That's why the jeep carriers could make 19 kn, while Liberty ships were only good for 11. Even the faster Victory ships were still single-screw and could only make 16 kn. The jeeps also used a different engine configuration (Skinner Unaflow) than any Liberty or Victory variant. With that said they were made at the same Kaiser shipyards as the Liberty ships, and that definitely constrained their construction.

@UPNilesCyn 4 месяца назад

thanks! That was a great explanation.

@willarth9186 4 месяца назад

FANTASTIC episode guys! You're right, the air aspect of 400 planes attacking Kurita is only talked about in footnotes in most books so I hope you really delve into that.

@flparkermdpc 4 месяца назад

They did. And very well, too.

@Fulcrum205 4 месяца назад

The FM-2 was an improved version of the F4F Wildcat. The FM designation means it was built by General Motors/Eastern. They took over production after Grumman switched over to building Hellcats. GM actually built more Wildcats than Grumman. The notable changes were a switch to a much more power ful engine which added over 1000 feet/min to the climb rate. A larger vertical tail was added to deal with the higher engine torque. The armament changed from 6x50 to 4x50 and bomb racks were added. They were good fighters and could actually out climb some models of the Zero. Jimmy Thach famously bitched about the 6 gun Wildcat and wanted it switched back to 4 guns to give longer firing time.

@COACHWARBLE 4 месяца назад

We also had land based aircraft flying out of Tacloban Airfield. I never considered how deadly all the Taffy groups were combined. Like a swarm of bees. Each CVE was capable of sinking multiple aircraft carriers by themselves. The FM2 was a fantastic plane. It was the result of efficiency in the factory over a 4 year production line. There were more FM2 wildcats produced than the original. The WIldcat in general was in service for 2 years before the war. The prewar pilots were fantastic and had a ton of flight hours. I love this episode!!!

@christopherrowe7460 4 месяца назад

Agreed, what a great episode! Like Seth mentioned, the FM2 had a more powerful engine, which required a taller vertical stabilizer to handle the extra torque. It had the folding wings that Grumman had introduced with the F4F-4 model, which were especially helpful for stowage on smaller escort carriers. And the FM2 had the original armament of four 50-caliber Browning machine guns with 430 rounds per gun versus the 240 rounds per gun of the six-gunned F4F-4. Pilots preferred having the 80% longer shooting time versus the 50% increase in hitting power. This explains why the FM2 has been nicknamed the "Wildercat", and represents what wartime adaptation combined with industrial prowess can achieve.

@UPNilesCyn 4 месяца назад

@@christopherrowe7460 If I recall properly (maybe Hornfischer's "Tin Can Sailors") the Tacloban air strip wasn't ready but then FM-2s started landing there, after a little persuasion the USAAF proceeded to fuel and arm them, maybe they had a few planes to add. But good point.

@michaelwolf564 4 месяца назад

Congratulation Bill on your anniversary.

@dommy1971ify 4 месяца назад

You three gentleman are the best! You make my long work commute much easier every Tuesday morning.

@xboxie1 4 месяца назад

Always great to wake up to a new episode for my commute!

@bryanhoffman9255 4 месяца назад

Well. guys you just blew out of the water the History Channels take on this battle! Great show.

@ph89787 4 месяца назад

Johnston: AIM FOR THE SHINS!!!

@ColinFreeman-kh9us 4 месяца назад

Lol

@COACHWARBLE 4 месяца назад

Jon is a statistics kind of guy! Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors may have been the best book i have ever read. Visit Valor Brew Pub in Wash DC to talk military history when you visit the District.

@klsc8510 4 месяца назад

I have it and have read it.

@kensvay4561 4 месяца назад

Yes terrific book. With the Old Breed is my favourite and Yamato, a Glorious Way To Die.

@brucelytle1144 4 месяца назад

Been waiting for this episode! This part is one of the first naval battles that I learn of when first in the Navy, when I was stationed on USS Johnston (DD 821). MY LPO (in Main Control) was married to a woman (thank God for the old Navy!😅) whose father was on the original, worked in #1 Fire room that took an 18" fron Yamamoto. She never met her father. Back to the show!

@Matt-416 4 месяца назад

Damn the cliffhanger! Lol. Can't wait for next week.

@alankleinman5494 4 месяца назад

Thank you for the great education about this battle, and all the honor to the brave men that fought this battle. I look forward to pt. 2. I am humbled by the sacrifices these men made for me (for all of us).

@josephgilorma6979 4 месяца назад

This was the one I was waiting for! It makes me proud of my time on my tin can. It's always great to see the smaller ships spotlighted. Thanks guys

@scotthix2926 4 месяца назад

Thanks for making this a part 1 and 2. When I heard only 1 episode for Taffy 3 I was crushed. Great show guys.

@douglasalderman9031 4 месяца назад

"This one goes to 11." Love it.

@pjg43 4 месяца назад

Happy Anniversary Captain!!!

@lt.petemaverickmitchell7113 3 месяца назад

Happy anniversary Captain!

@flparkermdpc 4 месяца назад

What a great screenplay taking shape! Destroying the Mythology where we find It!! This is awesome! Makes one more understanding of Kurita's problems and actions...😂😊

@cjohnson1469 4 месяца назад

I've been waiting for this episode! I agree that this should be made into a movie - what courage and pluck these men displayed. God bless them!

@xeutoniumnyborg1192 4 месяца назад

My dad was a torpedoes on one of those Kaiser Coffins, USS Nehenta Bay, CVE-74. He rarely talked about that period of time. Years after he died, my mom told me that dad had confided to her that he had nightmares about the war almost every night.

@MrLatenttraveler 4 месяца назад

My dad was there too. He started telling me about some of it in his late 60’s because I asked him. Country boy from Ga suddenly found himself in the South Pacific. I have such respect for them all. Was a different world.

@jimporter6084 4 месяца назад

Country boy from Ga... you need to read that capter in Neptune's Inferno about the country boys from Ga.

@raucousindignation5811 4 месяца назад

I can't wait. I'm gonna listen to Drachinifel's rendition of Taffy 3 to pass the time.

@klsc8510 4 месяца назад

It would be interesting for Drach to offer commentary one this two parter.

@davidwatson2399 4 месяца назад

Love your work guys. I look forward to every new episode 😁😎

@philkryder1434 4 месяца назад

thanks again! I'm partial to John Parshall's comment that multiple small carriers have greater resilience and capacity than you might think. It re-iterates the comment that quantity has a quality all its own which likely resonates with the analyst in John.

@PalleRasmussen 4 месяца назад

Congratulations Bill, happy annerversery, Mrs. Tody is a lucky woman I would say. Bill seems like a good man. Question for Bill; did you ever meet and talk with Harry Cooper and his brace of U-Boat aces? Drachinifel called his episode on The Battle of Samar "Odds? What are those?"

@witkocaster 4 месяца назад

You guys make my Tuesdays! :D

@stevehofer3482 4 месяца назад

After the three cruisers were sunk by submarines, and Musashi was sunk by aircraft, what happened to the crews of the sunken ships? Were they split among the remaining ships proceeding into battle off Samar? That would be thousands of sailors. That would have to impair the combat efficiency of these ships.

@MichaelWalker-de8nf 4 месяца назад

Congrats, Captain Toti, and congrats to his captain, the lovely Mrs.

@Perfusionist01 4 месяца назад

Thanks for another great episode. I'm glad that you added time to discuss the various command issues that caused the situation off Samar. I really appreciate Jon's information about the Japanese forces and their perceptions of the battle. Too many histories treat the IJN officers as wooden cut outs blindly forging ahead. The failures of Halsey's staff were inexcusable, but in my career in supporting cardiac surgeery I worked with many strong personalities. These people stated a course of action and only wanted the staff to expedite execution of that action, discussion was actively discouraged. I appreciated the comments about Halsey's time away from fleet command. He was still thinking of the balance of power from 1942-43 and not appreciating the changed strategic picture. Halsey and his staff made the classic mistake of acting on what they perceived enemy intentions and not enemy capability.

@73Trident 4 месяца назад

Just back, been without internet for six six weeks. Just got back today. I have missed you guys and so glad I'm back. Great episode a lot of catching up to do. Thanks Seth, Bill and Jon.

@johnstewart7022 4 месяца назад

Once again, thank you three guys for a well researched and engaging presentation. I would offer only one minor correction - the CVEs were NOT conversions of Liberty Ships. Liberties had reciprocating steam engines and were not capable of anything near 18 knots. The closest thing to a merchant ship which can be found in CVEs ancestry is the T-3 tanker which had, oddly, steam turbine-electric propulsion. Some CVEs were in fact conversions of T-3s but none of those particular ships were present at Samar. Never the less, good job guys and please keep it up.

@UPNilesCyn 4 месяца назад

Thank you! That was my understanding, although I seem to remember there 2 or 3 variations based on different hull donors.

@williamashbless7904 4 месяца назад

Again, you guys have a certain chemistry and content that excels! For some added context: IJN Yamato hurled those 3,200 lb shells. The USN 5”/38 guns at Samar fired a shell that weighed 50 lbs. I’ finding it hard to comprehend that Taffy’s were loaded for anti shipping roles. Those carriers were so small it makes no sense to have weapons for a task they were not deigned or kitted out for. Great stuff! Looking forward to the second half.

@klsc8510 4 месяца назад

The ONLY advantage for the 5 inch 38 caliber naval rifles was speed of fire. We may never know if one or all of the destroyer set new speed records in rate of fire! It can't be easy to concentrate on firing the big guns when you are being peppered with the little stuff!

@Papacarnivore15 4 месяца назад

Talk about a cliffhanger!!!! Geez guys, you’re killing me!! I can’t wait to watch Part 2 of the Battle Off Samar…. As usual, terrific video with tons of information and details, ma y of which I did not know, such as the fact that between all of the CVEs of Taffy 1, 2 and 3 there were 400 planes and a total of 440 sorties during this battle. No wonder Kurita thought he was being attacked by Halsey’s Main Fleet and decided to withdrawal instead of continuing attacking the CVEs and Landing and Support Ships at Leyte Gulf. Now it makes a lot more sense where it didn’t before. This is just one excellent example of why your show is without a doubt THE BEST show about the Pacific Campaign during WW2.😊

@vincentlavallee2779 3 месяца назад

Absolutely a great episode, debunking a lot of myths. I loved the in-depth discussion on Halsey, and also the reference to Montgomery, who was also a VERY over rated general, and the cause of many failures in the European theater. Again, this whole series should be put on DVD and made into an outstanding WW II series, on par with Victory at sea (1952), and 'The World at War (1973), only an audio report vs. a video one as these two DVD series are.

@ethanadams1024 4 месяца назад

I love Bill Whittle's account of this battle on his America's Forgotten Heroes Podcast series, I'm sure yall will do just as good as always! Can't wait for part 2!

@allenrobinson9483 4 месяца назад

You guys are great!! Love the old school weekly radio show cliffhangers

@v.mwilliams1101 4 месяца назад

Happy Anniversary Capt. to you and your wife. Arrgg. Another week's wait. You know I shall have to binge watch all these episodes later. Thank you for sharing and to Jon for joining.

@denniswiemer72 4 месяца назад

Happy Anniversary to Bill and your bride. Thanks again for all the work you guys put into this great series.

@kemarisite 4 месяца назад

From what ive seen, Yamayos first salvo is at slightly more than 30,000 yards because the 15.5 cm salvo landed about 500 yards short and those guns have a maximum range just under 30,000 yards. Further, there is an argument that Yamato scored a hit with that first salvo because the White Plains suffered a neat 1.5 ft gouge clipped at turn of the bilge that was discovered when it was in dry dock for repairs. The shell indisputably exploded under the ship close aboard, causing significant shock damage from the mining effect (as mentioned in the discussion).

@c7042 4 месяца назад

This is the one! Wait a minute, gotta get my coffee!

@tomneises6178 4 месяца назад

Happy anniversary! Man, I love this content. I agree with Bill. This should be a movie.

@user-hw1qo2mu9e 4 месяца назад

Thank you Bill Seth and Jon.

@PPISAFETY 4 месяца назад

My favorite pop culture reference to Halsay's behavior is in the movie Hunt For Red October. As it appears that Red October is about to be hit by a torpedo fired by Kanavalov, Ramius orders Ryan to steer directly into the torpedo's path. Ramius asks Ryan what books he has written. Incredulous that Ramius would ask this at such a time, Ryan replies he has written a book on Halsey called The Fighting Sailor. Ramius makes a face like he just smelled something bad, and says, "I know this book. Your conclusions were all wrong. Halsey acted stupidly." Halsey was still getting criticized for his decision more than 45 years after he made it.

@klsc8510 4 месяца назад

I love that scene in the movie too. Admiral Halsey for all his faults never lacked the will to engage the enemy. This time, it was a fault. Still, going into harms way is what you are supposed to do. He did just picking the wrong target.

@PPISAFETY 4 месяца назад

@@klsc8510 absolutely true.

@MadLudwig 4 месяца назад

My Father-in-Law served on an Edsel class destroyer escort (USS Poole - DE 151) in both the Atlantic and the Pacific during WWII. They were small, fast, and fearless little tin cans.

@dhjoe2966 4 месяца назад

Really nice discussion on the importance and significance of the air wings of Taffys 1,2, and 3.

@maximillianvermontsuperbik2624 4 месяца назад

This was great, thank you guys !

@saenole66 4 месяца назад

I’m on the edge of my seat. Great stuff, exciting naval history at its finest. Can’t wait for part two.

@richardrigling4906 4 месяца назад

Great job gentlemen!

@wrightsublette1701 4 месяца назад

Bravo Zulu of the highest caliber Gentleman. I can’t wait for part 2 & just have to share in the week between these 2 episodes, I will lay hands on Halsey’s Flagship USS New Jersey in dry dock. Best way to enjoy history is to touch & see in person. I can’t wait to hear your treatment for DD-557, Sammy B, Hoel, Gambler Bay, et all. Happy Anniversary Bill :)

@BlackHawkBallistic 4 месяца назад

While every episode is amazing, in this one y'all knocked it out of the park. The beginning discussion of Halsey's mistakes with Bills commentary was probably some of the best he has done on the show, his experience shined in this episode and was an amazing addition and invaluable.

@christurner3063 4 месяца назад

I'll make another plug for "Little Ship, Big War" by Edward P Stafford. Great deck level view from a DE in the second half of the Pacific war. He not only writes about the DEs in Taffy 3, but he also recounts his own experience during the battle while on DE343 in Taffy 2. Wonderful read!

@christurner3063 4 месяца назад

Butler (DE339) and Raymond (DE341) were constructed alongside Abercrombie (DE343) and the officers and crews were close

@StuartGivot 4 месяца назад

I totally concur!

@martinazariancriminaldefen3081 4 месяца назад

Here I am building a model of my favorite carrier, USS Yorktown CV 5 and listening to your your telling of the Battle of Samar. I get lost in story telling. I'm in awe of the bravery of these men on carriers, destroyers and destroyer escorts, as well as those in the planes. Incredible bravery.

@cheesenoodles8316 4 месяца назад

Excellent, have read the nooks, mulled this over like an arm chair Admiral but have been looking forward to this chapter.

@michailbest1122 3 месяца назад

Another fine episode gentlemen!

@cragnamorra 4 месяца назад

Bill hits the nail on the head around 38:45. When something this big goes this wrong, it's not a single point of failure. There's a host of things that have to fail. In propulsion or damage control terms, we'd call that a "cascading casualty". Throughout my fleet service, we drilled endlessly - on a daily basis - for shipboard emergencies (some of the various USN mishaps of recent years - Bonhomme Richard cough cough - make me wonder how much this mindset might have atrophied since). "Evolutions" were about operating the gear correctly so that things didn't break in the first place. But things do still occasionally break; just the way it is. So "casualty control" drills were focused on nipping things in the bud to prevent a snowball effect. An analogy could be roughly applied to command organization, planning, and execution processes. Which is every bit as much of an "architecture" as a ship's mechanical systems. It would not be far off the mark to describe Third Fleet's senior leadership and staff structure as having experienced a cascading casualty that night.

@sailordude2094 4 месяца назад

Great stuff, your podcasts changes the way I think about these battles. I was thinking the same thing, there are a lot of planes there, lol.

@andrewtaylor940 4 месяца назад

What gets me with Halsey is right before Saipan, the US had recovered the Japanese Z Plan documents from the body of Fleet Admiral Koga, Yamamoto's replacement, when his plane crashed in a storm off the Philippines. Those Z Plans outlined how the Japanese intended to defeat the American's in their final decisive battle should the Marianas or the Philippines be invaded. And these plans were clearly tailor made for use against Halsey.They describe using the Carriers as bait for the main American Carrier Fleet while a heavy surface fleet sweeps in from the south to destroy the American Landing Forces and transports. Spruance was briefed in on this the day that he set sail for Saipan. It's in part why he didn't chase Ozawa and kept his carriers on a short leash. By Leyte Halsey had been briefed in on this. He had read the Japanese plans on how they were going to defeat him. And he still fell for it.

@CutGlassMan-CTI 4 месяца назад

How could you think this could be less than 2 episodes. Thanks for the great stuff

@thomasknobbe4472 4 месяца назад

Wonderful overall setup and picture of the beginning of the battle. A bit of clarification: The FM-2 was a re-working of the earlier Wildcat, given a second life on the escort carriers as it was lighter than the Hellcat and could take off and land on the shorter decks. It was considered the "Wilder Wildcat" in part because it had gone back to having four .50 caliber machine guns in the wings, as compared with the six in the immediately preceding version of the F4F. This was much preferred by American pilots in the Pacific, as this allowed for more bullets per gun, and thus longer firing times. They were not facing the heavily armored German planes that the British were in their Martlets (F4F's built for them) in the Atlantic and did not believe they needed the extra firepower. Also adding to the FM-2's advantage was a lightening program that had removed about 300 pounds from its overall weight, plus the extra horsepower (about 150) at the lower altitudes at which they were now typically fighting provided by the water injection added to their one--stage supercharged Wright Cyclone engines. The FM-4 was not much if any faster in top speed than the F4F but, importantly, it could climb much faster, and it was probably the most agile aircraft in the US Navy inventory during the war. More than a few later Zero pilots were surprised by the FM-2's ability to turn with them. Greg's Planes and Automobiles has a very good description of this, my favorite, chubby little WWII Navy fighter on his RU-vid channel.

@bryndisthordardottir2010 4 месяца назад

Once again you give me a new perspective on history I thought I knew in detail. Thank You!

@patricknix5975 4 месяца назад

Thanks guys! Cannot wait to get to Part 2. I getting the teary eyed willies just listening about the heroics of this battle.

@martinpickering4601 4 месяца назад

What a awesome program keep it going.

@Jaggedfel-0979 4 месяца назад

I think part of the reason Halsey didn’t split off TF34 was because he was on New Jersey and would have been left behind to “childishly” been left static.

@harrybenson9983 4 месяца назад

I personally went 36 hours without sleep during an outage at a plant I worked at and when I drove home following that endurance "contest" I was a very dangerous person to be driving a vehicle. If Halsey went 48 hours without sleep prior to Samar then he was finished as a coherent decision maker.

@christopherj.osheav5807 4 месяца назад

Gentlemen, Well done. Good show. This particular episode rates an "E" for excellence. Wildly informative, insightful, and thought-provoking. Plenty of memorable great play-by-play commentary. A teriffic learning experience. Thank you. V/r - IB

@RKarmaKill 3 месяца назад

Happy Anniversary to the old guy 🎉

@user-fz1nj6yw5u 4 месяца назад

Guys don’t make us wait for week I have been waiting for this battle for 2 seasons. As always great job

@lurking0death 4 месяца назад

This battle was dramatic and heroic. So is the courage of the lowly infantryman who stands up, walks toward the enemy knowing the enemy sees him, and then nevertheless engages him in a death struggle. This happened hundreds of thousands of times in the Pacific of WWII and few people comprehend it. You have to believe in what you are doing to take those kind of risks, to move to a man and kill him knowing that he may kill you in the struggle. Yes, the actions of Evans and the Johnston were extraordinary. But the day in, day out courage of the lowly infantryman is even grander and more widespread across the American WWII panorama.

@ewathoughts8476 4 месяца назад

At minute 50, it is about time some historians actually credited the fly boys as the actual reason Kurita retreated. Good job fellas.

@carrabellefl 4 месяца назад

Thanks! Thank you for another exciting Tuesday morning.

@davidtrindle6473 2 месяца назад

Great job!

@jcavendish26 4 месяца назад

As always, AWESOME and enlightening. Enjoy sitting down and talking with all y’all (even though you cannot hear me.). Regardless of who did the most physical damage to the Japanese in this battle, the raw courage, determination and professionalism displayed by these young ( and not so young) men captured my respect and admiration when I read accounts of this “tussle” while in Jr high school in the mid 1960’s. Team, thank you for sharing and bringing this history to us!!!