John didn't say that Dylan was his 'idol'. He merely dug his music. Later on he took the piss out of Bob, with 'Serve Yourself'. But, I don't think it was malicious. Just John having a laugh.
It's because George was good friends with Bob. So it would sound super weird. They became big friends after 1967 or so when George started becoming his own songwriter and artist. He would visit Dylan, they made their own music, and eventually made a band together later on. So George was a lot closer to Bob as a human, than just this profound artist we all know
Bob Dylan also gave Brian Epstein some cannabis too, he was also with the boys at the time. While John, Paul, George, and Ringo were rolling around laughing, Brian was sitting on the bed trying to be graceful with a tiny bit of a joint and he was pointing to himself, saying: "Jew! Jew!"
@@mattiassvanberg8292 Brian did say 'Jew!' when he was high on cannabis. I know he was Jewish, but he did say that. If you watch The Brian Epstein Story documentary, Paul McCartney was explaining the time when he, John, Ringo, George, and Brian met Bob Dylan and how Brian was like when he took the joint.
I think that's natural - You cover a lot of his work, and you work with him, and eventually you don't idolize him but rather you come to know him, warts and all.
Yah for sure George is the coolest and, hence, the most similar to Dylan. High bar amongst the 5 of them. Bob and George seemed to know it themselves and hung out quite a bit. Nature is gonna do that.
well George was the one who stalked Bob Dylan and hid in bushes to take photos, even scaring Bob a bit. Paul and Ringo never did that, so I think George is just playing it cool here ;)
Words like "idol" and "hero" had a different meaning to George. To George those words would have a religious meaning. To Paul and Ringo it would simply mean : "like" - "enjoy" - "a forerunner" etc.
George is a religious person, so the word 'idol' has a negative connotation to him. In his perspective it's actually an insult to call someone an 'idol.' Of course, how he describes Dylan would be the definition of the word 'idol' for many people.
Ringo: "The night we met Dylan.....was the first time I ever smoked marijuana....and I laughed and I laughed and I laughed."..... it must feel good to turn someone's life around like that!
Bob Dylan introduces Ringo to marijuana, makes Ringo happy. Yoko Ono introduces John to heroin, makes John miserable. Also, Bob Dylan has sold more albums than Yoko.
Because of that or that was one reason he became a drug attic, almost killed his wife, most of the time he never remembered where he was or what he did. And everyone forgets this part, everyone at the end has to pay for their sins & it doesn’t matter that people don’t believe that, it still remains a fact. Everyone that has passed on before, if they could would exchange places with anyone that’s still living. About Bob D. Like everyone else you have to be in the mood to listen to him or the Beatles or any other Singer or group. That’s what Trump said. He also said I’ll be back. Don’t forget what you forgot.
“I mean I’m in awe of McCartney. He’s about the only one that I am in awe of. But I’m in awe of him. He can do it all and he’s never let up, you know. He’s got the gift for melody, he’s got the rhythm. He can play any instrument. He can scream and shout as good as anybody and he can sing the ballad as good as anybody, you know so… And his melodies are, you know, effortless. That’s what you have to be in awe… I’m in awe of him maybe just because he’s just so damn effortless. I mean I just wish he’d quit, you know. [laughs] Just everything and anything that comes out of his mouth is just framed in a melody, you know …” - Bob Dylan
I loved hearing Bob talk about Paul like that. And the funny contrast between him talking about John. "Oh I always like to see John. He's a wonderful fellow. And uhh.. I always like to see him." lol
It is but didn’t you think…how come he didn’t find a pen and paper, write it down, and put it in his pocket? Doesn’t it seem weird to make the other guy do all that?
Saying the Beatles wrote great melodies with corny lyrics is the same as claiming Dylan writes great poetry but can't sing. Missing the point. Dylan said recently that Paul McCartney is one surviving artist he admires above almost anyone else. They're both geniuses.
+zodiacbluesbaby People say that because they hear the stuff from before rubber soul and just think that it was all the beatles was. Lots of stupid people!
+zodiacbluesbaby Agree, but McCartney is strictly a musical genius, his ability to come up with great melodies is incredible. But his lyrics are, mostly, rubbish. Dylan wrote some good tunes too, but his real contribution was opening up everyone's minds to the fact that pop music could say more than, "I love ya, baby", much, much more.
Monty Rosenthal Yes, good tunes and lyrics. The revelation that came out of Dylan's autobiography was that he considers himself a musician first (pointing out that there are instrumental albums of his songs). This puts all the 'poet/ philosopher/ spokesman for a generation' stuff in context.
+zodiacbluesbaby I know many people are unable to get over the "can't sing" thing, but that particular criticism never crossed my mind. I love 60s/70s Dylan all the more because of his vocal performances. Blood on the Tracks has some of the most effective "singing" and phrasing I've heard from anyone. He could really make you feel so intensely with his voice. If that's not singing, fine. But I wouldn't want it any other way.
Jeremiah Peppercorn That's right - in his heyday Dylan was a fantastic vocal performer. From 'Only a Pawn in their Game' to 'Mr Tambourine Man' to 'Hurricane' - awesome! And in the '60's and early '70's he could sing really well live too. Lost that vocal ability later, though.
For those who say Bob Dylan couldn't sing...Bowie said he had a voice like sand and glue. Can you imagine Dylan singing like Matt Monroe or Frank Sinatra? It just wouldn't be Dylan....get with the programme.
@ mick mc g I know this song. I have the cd. Yeah Bob can croon with the best of them when he wants to croon. His voice is probably shot after a million gigs and a million cigs so probably all he can do is croon.
It was true. They had cannabis and Brian Epstein joined them as well. The Beatles and Bob Dylan had giggling fits, Brian was being sassful and pointing to his reflection saying he was Jewish.
Simple: there is nothing to explain. He was so high from his first time smoking marijuana (he was having a bit of a psychoactive experience) that he had this supposed insight from a higher place and he just wrote down what was on his mind in his delirious state. "there are seven levels" he had no idea what he was talking about
@51MontyPython There really ARE Seven Levels! The Universe really did speak with Paul. #chills #SevenLevelsOfTheConsciousness 1. Physical body 2. Mental Body 3. Emotional body 4. Psychological Body 5. Spiritual Body 6. Cosmic Body 7. Bliss/Divine Body - - - Manita Bajaj AND "I passed through the *seven levels* of the Candy Cane forest, through the sea of swirly twirly gum drops, and then I walked through the Lincoln Tunnel." --- Buddy, The Elf.
Paul once said that he never heard of the seven levels of boudhism before that night. From a man who dreamed of yesterday and wrote a music about Elanor Rigby and Father McKenzie whose graves were just feet away from his first meeting with John Lennon, I'd say it's probably meaning something. In any case, hilarious anecdote and the way Paul delivers it is pure gold. The Beatles are probably the funniest band ever.
I dream of songs all the time, wake up and write them. Bob Dylan said he did the same. I'm pretty sure a lot of musicians do, I'm not sure why Paul got so much awe over it
@@somebody2love cause he didn’t come up with just any songs in his dreams..he’s Paul mf McCartney and he had some of the worlds bests songs in his dreams! You can’t tell me Yesterday ain’t a banger and don’t deserve all the hubbub, cause it does!
"There are seven levels". Considering The Beatles, counting from the day Ringo joined, lasted exactly seven years, it's curious at the very least. Their first photos together were taken on 22nd August 1962 at a Cavern rehearsal, their last photo session together was on 22nd August 1969 at John's Tittenhurst house. You won't find any picture of all the Beatles together before or after. Seven levels.
wow great catch Paul once said that he never heard of the seven levels of boudhism before that night. From a man who dreamed of yesterday and wrote a music about Elanor Rigby and Father McKenzie whose graves were just feet away from his first meeting with John Lennon, I'd say it's probably meaning something. In any case, hilarious anecdote.
...and if he'd have said 9 or 6 you'd have found a way for those numbers to fit as well. "...anything fits when you're tripping on some trip..." ~ John Lennon
@@comanchio1976 Or maybe considering these events as pure coincidences is very convenient to fit to your vision of reality. Cultural and educational background is a kind of trip too and I lived too many strange occurances in my life incompatible with any logical probability. There are events that are just not explainable by our conception of normality. One day we will and it will only be science then. In the end I only trust mathematics. Have a nice day.
Yeah? When McCartney played Tomorrow Never Knows to him, Dylan had an attack of acute existential vertigo and involuntarily evacuated his bowels. He fled from the room and didn't go back to a recording studio for a year and a half. He simply couldn't compete with the advances The Beatles and The Beach Boys were making. TNK must have sounded like gods or perhaps demons from another dimension. McCartney was cruel to put him in his place, but Bob was so full of himself, and what was Paul supposed to do, shield him from it? The professional critics have placed Dylan above all others and we can only speculate why, because, post '66 his stuff was mostly MOR, easy listening junk. Give me a break. (Blood On The Tracks is great, though.)
TNK was John's composition. It was released on Revolver on 6 August 1966, a month after Dylan crashed his motorcycle in Woodstock and remained as a recluse for the next 18 months. He came back with John Wesley Harding which many critics (inc Christopher Ricks) describe as a brilliant album. But it was at odds with the psychedelic experimentation embodied in the Beatles work. In 1978 interview Dylan described his outlook in 1967: "I didn't know how to record the way other people were recording, and didn't want to. The Beatles had just released Sgt. Pepper, which I didn't like at all ... I thought that was a very indulgent album, though the songs on it were real good. I didn't think all that production was necessary, 'cause The Beatles had never done that before."
Mick Gold Yes, John wrote the words and melody but the whole group created the finished item you hear on Revolver. McCartney was especially involved, creating the distinctive tape loops which are the hallmark of that track, and so had every reason to be very proud of it. Paul played it to Bob in the latter's suite at the Savoy where he stayed during much of his time spent in the UK for his May '66 tour. Dylan's reaction on hearing it was to storm out of the room without uttering a word, according to Marianne Faithful, who was present. He had, after all, just had the world yanked out from under him. Tomorrow Never Knows changed the world in which he made his living and where he was regarded as a prince, unrecognisably, and one might easily speculate that it was a shattering experience for him that caused him to question everything about his role in contemporary art and music, and how he saw himself, his image and his talent. The bike accident seems to have been a convenient excuse for ducking his touring and recording commitments, giving him time to regroup and rethink his strategies and, coincidentally, allowing time for the "production race" between The Beatles and The Beach Boys, in which neither Dylan nor the Stones could compete, to play itself out, after which everyone would resume making more modest, less fantastically ambitious records, like Lady Madonna, Hey Jude, Wild Honey, Jumping Jack, and yes, John Wesley Harding, about which opinion is divided, although mostly favourable. I'd say it's a good album, but there's one song which so overshadows the rest, it minimises the album as a whole. (And Jimi did it best!) Tomorrow Never Knows is astounding still; one can only imagine the impact it must have had on those contemporaries whose ears were attuned. Cilla laughed. Brian created Good Vibrations and made an effort to Smile. Bobby flounced out of the room.
Mr.Sensitive It's true The Beatles + George Martin made so many great musical achievements, but so does Phil Spector and Brian Wilson . what I wanted to say is nobody can write a song like Dylan. and beside the profesional critics, there's John lennon, Jimi, Bowie, Springsteen, Neil young (i can go on and on) that worshipped Dylan. So give me a break your comment is invalid
How you stated it was a little harsh, but I do agree. Dylan DID show them there's more to the average pop song. It doesn't always have to be about girls.
The Beatles career came in two halves. Before Dylan there was the 'she loves you, yeah yeah yeah' teeny bop fluff. After Dylan, there was the decent stuff. Dylan changed what a pop song could be. What it could be about, how it could be structured and, especially, what it could say. The Beatles picked up on this. They learnt at the foot of a master. That master was Bob Dylan.
It was a life changing album, it made me think far deeper about my life & go out there to live it. I thought Dylan was the messiah! I’ve calmed down since & my heroes have changed but Dylan made me listen to the words & start reading more poetry. Turned me on to people like Cohen eventually & still love all those words that seem to be missing from music now.
Anyone who says Dylan can’t sing, listen to masters of war, hard rain’s gonna fall, and tangled up in blue, and tell us who could sing those songs more effective and evocatively.
George: "nah he wasn't an idol we just didn't listen to anything else, until Pet Sounds came out, then we went back to Dylan and then I did shows with Bob Dylan, I hear he's pretty good, I've heard some of his songs...he also introduced us to marijuana. And the telephone."
I remember being at my friend Greg's house somewhere around '72, and I laughed...and I laughed...and I laughed. His mom came in to say goodnight and I laughed...and I laughed...and I laughed. Man, I couldn't stop! She smiled at first, but when I just kept laughing she slammed the door and left. I kinda felt bad afterward. Greg wasn't too happy with me either by then. My other "laughing' memory was with Arnie Wickheiser in Rockaway, Oregon 1973. Found some old weed he'd forgotten about. Had a little mold on it and we wondered if it was still any good. Laughed til we were weak and our stomachs ached. Fun times! We were kids. Did I just read a comment by someone proclaiming his "expert opinion" stated as fact? I think I did! Oh, yes...far better
The Beatles didn't prolong their career thanks to Dylan. They were already fabulous before meeting Dylan. They kept on improving because they were amazing. Dylan also learn a thing or two with them.They shared their geniality.
They were immature before they met Dylan. Listen to what they say in the video. I think the Beatles are better placed than you to judge that aren’t they?
The second he said, "I though I'd got the meaning to life" I knew what drug he was on during that party, and what he said was on that paper confirmed it. I myself had a similar experience 4 years ago and my husband never lets me live it down lmao.
Dylan pretty much single-handedly elevated the IQ of rock lyrics. I mean, it probably would have happened eventually, but he was the catalyst, I think.
@@Ghoopty - Dylan selling his soul to Satan is exactly what happened. Sorry to hurt your feelings but it's a common trait of ppl seduced away from reality.
The Beatles career divides into 2 parts : Before Dylan (BD) and After Dylan (AD). BD, the trite mop tops from Livrrpool were all "She loves me, yeah yeah yeah" and "Love, love me do". AD, they understand that lyrics could be personal and poetry, complex and nuanced, about experiences imagined and real. Without Dylan the Beatles would not be remembered today except as a briefly flourishing early 1960s boy band.
If he was alive he would be talking about how much better he was than Bob, not to mention the other Beatles. The guy could never admit he wasn't the center of the universe.
@@jeffs1546 That's bullshit. If you read some of his last interviews, John definitely does NOT, think that he's the 'center of the universe'. He was fairly modest, and had mellowed. It's a goddam shame that he was taken from us. Dylan said he missed John, and thought of him as his contemporary and felt bad, that they couldn't hang out as elder statesmen. Bummer. Give the song, Roll On, John, from Dylan's Tempest album, from a few ticks back, a listen.
I've been this fool for Ringo Starr, no particular reason, maybe he seems like someone who wouldn't bother to lie to anyone. I named the gray tabby cat I got for my 15th birthday "Ringo Starr" and my feelings for Ringo are so straight forward. My feelings for BD are more complicated. Naturally.
My brother once told me, you know how you can tell that The Bealtes and Bob Dylan are the best artists ever? Because all of their songs have their own Wikipedia page"
Everyone talks about the idols and the Giants of rock : it's the Stones and the Beatles and Lennon and McCartney and Harrison and Jagger and Richards and who knows else but at the very core at the very base there's always going to be Dylan. No one has and no one ever will replace him
@@latitudeselongitudes1932 Yes Ringo is an extraordinary drummer. But being around and a part of arguably the GREATEST group ever assembled in music history, enables him to be regarded as a POET! When you virtually grew up with and live with John Lennon and Paul McCartney for years, their genius and mindset can only rub off on you. If you listen to some of Ringo's interviews, one can clearly hear and see that some of his phrases and wordings is that of a POET.
@@Chrissybimhotep Yes,I suppose you are right. I love him,cool,unpretentious,sweet man. Also struggled with alcohol for years and overcame it. Iconic drummer full of feel and precision,timing
The Beatles, especially Paul, always kept with the times and slightly ahead. While they had other American musicians as idols, Bob was the real deal in flesh and spirit with whom they could relate to at the same level of genius. Marijuana or no marijuana, Bob or no Bob, they would have discovered life on their own. One does not become the best by only meeting someone exceptional. It needs other ingredients of genius as well. Something was bound to happen eventually (no pun intended).
Dylan created an entirely new type of music - intellectual, poetic and political. And singing in a husky voice. Innovator. The Beatles didn’t innovates until later and there were four of them plus producers!
While Bob was a pioneer, the Beatles too had their own pioneering ways even early on. The concept of a songwriting-singers team, 3 exceptional singers who covered a vast vocal range, bringing the bass guitar to the front from the background, a high prominence to the drummer with a microphone, a more organized approach to the shows through a dedicated manager, a music arranger, stadium performances... As long as John was alive and Paul continues to be a work in progress. Their early innovations in these areas crystallized into their eventual sublime creativity.
There's truly something a bit off with our society.... The fact we always want to view everything as a competition with winners and losers is beyond me. It was surely beyond Bob and the Beatles.
Dylan is THE reason that the Beatles broke up. Lennon wanted to be a solo artist along the line of Dylan, and being a member of a band with such a high profile as the Beatles made that impossible.
Okand, it's incorret. The Beatles never went apart. Most people got stuck in the early seventies when the band split. Look at the present. They created a family. I saw Dhanny calling Ringo of uncle Ringo. Julian refers to Paul as Uncle |Paul. They moved on and passed hours and hours together. See Anthology. See the last days of George...Ringo and Paul visiting him. He died in a house that belongs to Paul. They left the problems behind. Their most imporant message. Love wins.
a movement is accomplished in six stages and the seventh brings return the seven is the number of the young light it forms when darkness is increased by one change returns success going and coming without error action brings good fortune sunset
...the seventh brings return... why do I feel a Hawkwind? moment coming on? Where is this quote originally from, and what LP or LP cover does it feature on? Certainly sounds unfathomably Buddhist to me.
There are seven, John. I have just read about it recently. Most people don't pass the third, though. There is a teacher in Brazil who helps us to reach them. He says seven degrees...but it's the same thing. Paul got the right answer. I wonder from whom;;?
Virginia Abreu de Paula Sorry, the degrees the Brazilian man teaches are really only six. However, the levels of the human being are seven. I have just checked and it's about spiritual progress.
Until you wake up one day 15 or 20 years later and realize that all those other people you knew but didn't hang with much, now have families and own homes while you're still sitting in some smoky room watching Seinfeld reruns and eating frozen burritos... Been there, done that, didn't want the t-shirt.
@@freedapeeple4049 I said that 8 years ago. since then I got a master's degree and a mortgage and I still smoke weed from time to time. Also, it was a quote from "Strangers With Candy" a comedy television show.
@@JBHoughtaling Never even heard of that show, but , yeah, it affects everybody differently. It mostly depends on what ELSE you do besides sit around smoking dope... ✌😎
