The BEST Backend Language for You | Prime Reacts 

I should stop watching Prime videos and start coding

We all know the best language for backend is JDSL. Tom's a genius!

As a C# developer I can finally say I know something that prime doesn’t. Wow I’ve made it 😂

C# is honestly very good. But devs should use whatever tools they are the most familiar with to get things done.

The question really is the same as with anything else. Use whatever programming language you feel more comfortable or master the best. Because in the end, most can do the same thing. Now, assuming you know all of them or can pick one, then you can certainly narrow it to specific things toward your project. The answer then depends on what kind of backend you are implementing. For example, if you are doing a backend for small IoT devices or memory is a concern, forget Node.js, it’s a memory pig, same is true for anything that requires Java. If security is a must, for example making stuff for network services or exposed online that need high performance, then Rust is probably your best option. If you need something that will be distributed to Linux users or servers, most likely Python because it comes installed by default in most distros, while of course, if you know Go or Rust or C you can ship a compiled version anyway. If you need powerful feature - rich frameworks and need to develop fast while still having better performance than Python for web, PHP is probably the option. The same can be said for databases. You stick to what you master and stop trying to learn the latest JS framework that came up the last hour or the new programming language that everyone claims to be next X this replacement, and years later the same story starts again with something else...

Love the personality on top of the high knowledge shown.🤣🤣Wish I found this channel sooner.

Coming from a front end background, C# has been my goto for backend related things. Also agreed on c# as its commonly used for Microsoft stack as well with SQL. I would say javascript front end c# web api backend are my favorites :)

Thank you for the reaction, loved it!

All aside, i revisited the language Unison. There seems to be an exotic solution for a lack of community. Basically they can detect by hashing whether previous developers have used/coded similar functions/types, and you can get some cues for how to code/find relevant informations. Just speculating.

I recently got back to C# after developing software with it back in 2014. It has come a long way. Especially the platform and tools support is so much better these days. Used to not like it, but now it feels smooth. It's not perfect, but what is? People like to use lots of abstraction and dependency injection is really on the overdrive. It might be a little overwhelming for newer developers at the start. If I had to choose, I would probably still go with something like Golang, but I do not mind working with C#.

3:42 but does jest by default start a thread for every test suite (files)? so the 2 test will only use 2 cores if they are in different files? But to can use up to 90% of the cores based on how many suites you are running, btw I run my 250 teat suites in a VM with 100 vcores. And my memory goes to 80+GB ram lol I had to bump the ram to 125GB cause I was getting `node out of memory` erros lol

I love how you look happy and totally sane in the thumbnail :)

Unless I'm misunderstanding something, the only real difference between Go's channels and that of Rust is that Rust separates sender and the receiver. Both seem work the same way otherwise though, right? I suppose what works different is Rust's and Go's approaches to concurrency in general but that's a different question

I wasn’t expecting a meme building masterclass

I've worked on some C# codebases for more than 5 years -- some of which are more than a decade old -- and in my experience they become a mess over time. For my developer experience, I value the health of a codebase over time more than just about anything else. The newer versions are a lot better, and I'd guess that F# helps, but I've only watched some YT videos about it. Awesome video dude. Your candor in this one made me sub to you, and ya had me laughing hard, too. 10/10

Hey! Decided to try Harpoon. Am I correct that this feature is mostly VIM markers? Probably I am missing something, so correct me if I am wrong. With markers you even can go to the specific line.

Started my dev life with js and php, later java, since 7-8 years c# (web api, net core) and lots of python now for ai dev. And I must say that since c# is more open, it is for me the most pleasant experience while developing the backend. It feels now like a complete language and toolset to do what you need to do (entity framework, mass transit etc), performance, debugging, naming of buildit methods and code structure just seems right. That said it's still missing some support for things you can easily achieve in python or js (not a big fan of js overall). I think every language has some purpose (maybe good for prototyping or working with files, some better for large datasets etc) Love your channel! Try c#

To be honest I find the rust developer experience really good which I attribute a lot to cargo, a great type system and rust analyser.

I'm biased, but that C# overall is what i feel most C# developers perceive it at.I'd never for example choose C# over Python to do ML work, but OVERALL, while C# isn't A+ in anything, it's a solid A-/B+ in just about everything. Most issues i have with C# isn't about C# itself, but with Visual Studio (don't get me started) and how much of a mess they made up with framework/standard/core/whatnot (it's stabilizing though). p.s. the 12:00 thing in C# is called Extension methods. It's just a static method in a static class that takes (this type something) in. And then you can do sometypeinstance.someextensionmethod(), but you still don't have access to the internal/private members of sometype. It's great to "extend" a class without sub-classing it, and it's the only way to add anything to a sealed.

I write Java every day and I do not mind it. Probably gonna start introducing Kotlin to our codebase soon.

@ThePrimeTime After using expressive languages, like Rust, aren't you annoyed with all those flaws in Go design - poor expressiveness (no expressions, statements only); lack of first-class support for your collections (you can't use make() or for .. range for your own-created collections); and half-implemented language abstractions with ends "sticking out" (like when you have to care about new reference returned from append(), when mass of other languages just care of such things on its own)?..

C# is amazing. You never have to worry about learning new frameworks and all the bullshit. It's way more community driven than Java. You can easily find "the best way" to do something. Most other Lang's are convoluted at some point.

19:50 clap and serde are the main reason i used rust to develop my companies main internal CLI. I doubt id write a CLI in any other language now

PHP ecosystem is 10/10. All the things needed to build a website is already there. I still remember at 2020 when I was searching a HTML to PDF library for nodejs and cant find anything that works.

The one that solves the most problems for you and makes you the most money. xD I grew up working with PHP and WordPress, professionally I use a C# and Blazor framework stack for my project in a defense company (I love it, feels so smooth, agile, modular, extensible, and robust). I wanted to get more into Python, currently have limited experience with it. I would say if it's strictly web based, PHP or Python but if it's an application that'll be distributed across mobile devices then C# or Java for their massive standard libraries and scalability (C# since I'm gaining a lot of experience in it).

Can someone tell me what extension he uses to be able to see his tabs when he hovers his mouse over in full screen - 26:12 ?

I think Rust attracts VERY good developers and that's why you end up with THE PACKAGE FOR X. But anyone can throw together a package for python and you end up with vastly different levels of quality from package to package.

Note as you mentioned that you like to just "attach" methods / functions to types in GO, C# has extension methods which allows pretty much the same thing, though not as easy / inline as in GO. In C# extension methods have to be in a static class. public static class IntExt { public static int Add(this int a, int b) { return a + b; } } // With that you can do int a = 5.Add(7).Add(3); // which is a complicated way to write int a = 5 + 7 + 3; // or int a = 15; // :P The magic word is the "this" at the first argument which makes this method an extension method. This is a pure compiler feature. So the actual code of course just calls that static method accordingly. So the example above essentially does int a = IntExt.Add( IntExt.Add(5, 7), 3 );

At my current job I need over 8GB to run eslint and over 8GB to build an angular app and somehow no one thinks this is insane. I feel like Jackie Chan with my hand up in confusion and frustration. What is going on?

C# probably has one of the best standard libraries. If I must have a web dev job, it will be in C#. Ideally, I'd be writing C and C++.

To answer Prime at 16:42 yeah the guy is British (from the South of England more specifically) and we do pronounce innovative that way.

For a software developer, which is more addicting? 1 - Smoking crack 2 - Programming in Rust

C#'s standard library can throw a pitch black shade even on Tom(and he's a genius btw if you didn't know).

12:05 I love that feature too. It's so simple yet powerful.

if you have a complex business backend elixir is the best because of the beam. if you know you know, if you don't know, you have no idea what you're missing.

Love this video, guess the big takeaway here is to write in the language of your choosing i guess... But according to you prime, what would you choice be? If you were to advise some ody like myself with a background in PHP, havent coded in over 5years and looking at getting back into it... Advise from anyone reading this will be appreciated

12:12 You can do that with C# extension methods too!

Middle English is quite a language. Chaucer's Canterbury Tales are a great read.

"Security is a skill issue" I'm stealing that quote, thank you!

btw that thing you liked in Go where you can add custom methods to objects is what we call "prototype pollution" in JS and did that a lot in early jQuery times... Yeah, great times lol

Meme engineering done at the end was a masterpiece. Python in shambles.

bro I like the way you type.... its 🔥🔥🔥🔥

hello i'm new into dev, i know html/css/js and React -> Can i go easily for C# or PhP or it's better to go NodeJs and framework for js-backend

Funny how it's never the artist but the tools that are the problem 🤔

I took it very personally when you said its not about you ;) PS: I rarely comment on youtube videos, the last time I commented was some Java video a couple of years ago.

9:40 Channels are from Occam, but Plan 9 from Bell Labs had Alef, which was a language for a while, but then they just started using channels from C. After Plan 9, Inferno had Limbo, which is probably shares the most ideas with Go, but the Go compler itself evolved from the Plan 9 C compiler.

Love that cool little bash tool 'vmrss' !

so with vim you can instantly compile the languages inside the editor and get a result in next line ?

How do you edit in gimp with the keyboard?

Devs here are hating on C# and Microsoft, but forget that Typescript was made by Microsoft based on C# and its type system. Typescript was also a precursor to test open-source before C# also became open-source.

Just started watching, my expectations are high, I want to become and backend engineering, so I hope I get some good answers.

Ruby is pretty neat and nice, has a pretty decent community and a very good developer experience.

For Pythonists: I'm studying some code but I'm at the very beginning, so this question might be a little silly. I always see here and there people saying that loops in Python are really bad. So from a Pythonist's perspective, are they really that bad? Are there people contributing to the project who are trying or have tried to do something about it? Thanks!

13:50 it's probably using c as pass by value only

Let’s goooooooooooo c#… just bear in mind how much better C# is now compared to 5 years ago, it really has come on in leaps and bounds

i went from c++ to java to now scala for big data applications, i am not turning back, not even the eyes

Fun fact - the spelling of Django is from French to spell sounds they don't have like the J and CH as pronounced in English. Which is why they spell Jakarta as Djakarta - similar to Chad (the country) being spelled as Tchad.

What CPU has 11 cores??? I wasn’t aware any CPUs offered odd numbers since we went from 1-core to 2.

Which vim colorscheme do you use?

PHP's linear execution speed is pretty fast (not sure if it's quite C# level, but probably not far off). The problem is the code re-execution. A C# webserver does its init, then starts a (e)select/epoll service and handles requests. PHP starts a whole new PHP process per request handled by nginx. Yes, I know PHP _can_ now use the epoll API, but the fact is production code for PHP _doesn't_ use the high performance options. This is why globals in php aren't a problem, because the whole program will exit when the request finishes. It also means you _must_ cache heavily or nothing works well.

For anyone programming in C# - do you use VSCode? Or only VS/Rider/other "full fledged" IDE? I'm trying to enjoy it using VSCode (don't tell primeagen) but the official extensions seems very rough around the edges.

Prime is on his C# arc. It's time bois.

"CLAP is the reason why I do cli applications in Rust" This is the exact reason why I introduced Rust into our tech stack. I use Go for backend servers but CLAP just makes cli tools so easy its hard not to use Rust in those cases.

The best part of the video is the meme gold creation

12:30 Prime, are you okay with the ability to add functions to a prototype in JS? It seems like the same thing but without classes

I love how he says the phrase "unbiased information on these languages" with a screenshot of Laravel up on the b-roll. Laravel is the only thing that makes php desireable, but thats anything but unbiased to imply it represents the entire language. Anyone who claims to be unbiased on any topic is either disingenuous or ignorant.

i was gonna leave until prime started making one of the hardest images of all time

It's just a lie that Ruby has a lack of community support and a poor development experience. In the first aspect, although the Ruby community is small it is very active, in the second aspect Ruby is simply superior to all other languages. It's the only language that people say is fucking beautiful. It's a pleasure to write in.

True, it's really Laravel that I enjoy working with, PHP is neat, but that's it

4:15 did i just hear yayayayaya, okay now we can call you doc prime

💯on the intro!!

Using command line parsers on node means getting a dependabot notification in 3, 2, 1....

Just fully disagree on PHPs rankings entirely in that graph. It still gets so much employability, people are constantly looking for PHP devs and it ranking last on Security stinks of Wordpress plugin exploit driven mindset.

I also say “innuvitiv” because it’s easier to say “innovative”. I also question the guy’s list that Ruby is ranked last in dev exp, ecosystem. I mean, maybe he’s using Ruby in the backend without Rails?

I mainly do mathematical tasks with Python, but I use SageMath, SymPy, or NumPy instead of raw Python.

Why is go scoring so low in security. The language is patched 5 minutes after a sec vul is found 😐

Is Go viable for statistics Like R?

32:23 - "I'm gonna get cancelled today!" 🤣

I guess working with LightyearLongPascalNames shoehorned into classes by Allman is pleasant somehow :)

"get me a tea mate" and rust which is a highly scalable lang. 🤣 no pun intended.

13:50, if I had to guess it's not a skill issue it's a jit issue (java is jit compiled)

JS developer experience 10/10 KEKW. Watch tsoding trying to create a minimal React application in 2 hours, without installing Next.js, Babel and other crap.

Even if he's being offensive and keep insulting the programming language of your choice, simply you can not hate the primeagen, because you can feel how deeply honest and objective he is 🙋‍♂️

I just read that a Typescript program can compile without type errors, yet still have runtime type errors. Does anyone know if JSDoc is better in this regard?

C# honestly deserves the #1 spot. It's by no means best in any single category, but it's easily among the best in all of them.

rust standard lib depends on third party package

No Elixir😮

Much as I like a good debate over which language does what better, in the end there are only two types of programming languages: The ones everyone complains about, and the ones no one uses.

I'm annoyed that nobody ever talks about Julia in this conversation. It has a beautiful module system, insane performance, incredibly simple data structures, the effing Genie framework which is a marvel of engineering and a joy to work with, JS interop capabilities, and the ability to compile to LLVM bytecode or assembly as well as platform-native binaries. Oh, and the CLI arguments following the name of a Julia file when you run it on the console are just passed in as a constant called ARGS as a default language feature. Fight me about it.

17:10 there wasn't a "true english spoken for a millennia" older forms of english were spoken with many different accents. We know this for a fact because english writing used to be phonetics based, so people with different accents would spell words differently. Not to mention that the language changed a lot over the years with many different foreign influences and regional differences.

You got a big jar of water? I like the way you drunk....

From a non programmer (only dreams) the meme part is gold.

Spring Boot - The Most Advanced_Useful_Effective Backend Framework...

As a university student, I really liked Java for simple apps. But then I had to build a REST API using Spring. Even with all the help of JPA, Lombok, MapStruct and the likes, it was a terrible experience. It felt so unnecessarily clunky and verbose and the dependency hell was real. I can't believe I actually had a better time creating a REST API using vanilla PHP, doing all the REST endpoint parsing by hand.

mate your audio is bit low. was watching your stream with theo and even there I noticed your audio level is low

PHP does have a compiler. It's just almost invisible because it's packaged inside the executable with the interpreter, runs very fast, and the output bytecode is not designed to be moved between hosts. It also just compiles one source code file at the same time and does almost no type checks.

when a cinn has to help you compose a text thats when you know youre disposable

It's C#.

C can be slower than Java, because Java not only cache translated code in runtime (effectively like C after warmup) but also can optimize code in runtime, which C just can not do due to it's nature.

Please do a language review of Unreal Engine Blueprints.