Very cool! I personally wouldn’t have the extra money to have a ground handling only wing, but good to get practice without damaging your wing. I will definitely be keeping my wing as a practice wing when I upgrade. I would like a mini wing for ground handling and flying though.
man, I wish you had this 4 months ago when I bought literally this same gear(different helmet and not color coded risers) all separately. I would have loved to sport your colors and logo. :)
@@AndreBandarra1 thank you for all the great videos! I learn a ton from watching you. I love the set up....still real new so clumsy. The roadrunner is so forgiving though. I cant wait to get into the sky....January! So close yet so far.
Great idea! I really liked the Roadrunner and Oxygen I used in training and have really missed having a small GH wing for windy days. I have an Ozo harness for ground handling but it is not nearly as comfy as the Oxygen. Putting this on the wish list!
Cheers Mark! Yeah we tried the Ozo too and I think it's best for nil wind sledders in the mountains. Not as comfortable as the Oxy1 and nowhere near as durable.
They are pretty similar. Roughly same height, same area, aspect ratio, flight pretty similar, they are both good wings. One notable difference are the cell openings, the Seed has smaller openings with shark-nose and the RR has bigger ones without. For me particularly I prefer the RR as it's much easier to get the sand out, but not a big deal for most people.
If you look on GH as an own sport, then I fully understand if people are getting themselves a wing just for GH. But I prefer doing GH with the wing that I am also flying with, which is (in my opinion) more helpful as you should be able to control the same wing at both on the ground and up in the air. But I love the harness tho as it looks pretty comfy. I am currently using an airdesign "le slip" which slowly but surely feels a bit uncomfy after 1-2 hours ;)
If you’re only going to gh one wing, then for sure ghing the wing you fly is the best, 100%. However if you put more hours than the average pilot into groundhandling then having a ghing wing allows you to groundhandle in more conditions, try riskier things and save your flying wing from the abuse. In my mind it’s totally worth it, but I’m biased towards more groundhandling rather than less. I really like the Oxygen one, we have hundreds of hours on it both ghing and flying here at the coast. Recommend it 😊
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Wonderful - your spirit is back 🙂 One of your patreons here. There is just one thing really missing for being a very complete pack: gloves... It seems you always love to not use some in your videos... but especially having this recommended to beginners it is absolutely necessary in my opinion to include at least a hint in the video to better use some gloves to protect your hands. Gusts and lines can be such a danger to your precious fingers... Also could have mentioned some stats of the wing. I'd be curious how it would compare to e.g. a U-Turn Trinity. Is it a miniwing or more like a speedwing?
Yeah that’s a good point, but I think gloves really is personal preference. I think footwear is even more important than gloves and still it’s up to personal preference. About the RoadRunner, it’s based on the Element, so more like a mini wing, and it’s 14m2 flat. More info can be found on the ozone page. Thank you so much for the support! 😍
If you are ground handling to learn the basics like while training-sure, if you are ground handling to improve your ability and comprehension of wing/input dynamics- then you should be using the wing you fly and the harness you wear while doing so. This is my advice and the advice of virtually everyone, with experience, I have flown with. Practicing on gear you won't be flying with is foolish. Learn to fly, not to be a mindless gearhead.
Like i said before, I 100% agree that if you're even only going to GH one wing, then the wing you fly is the one you'll get the most knowledge-per-hour on. In fact, on our groundhandling retreats often the pilots that come train with us want to use older wings or GH wings to save their main wings and we often tell them that's counter producing, because at their stage they are going to learn the most from their flying wings. HOWEVER, and this is a big however, we know for a fact that the vast majority of people don't groundhandle enough. Just sit on any takeoff and look at the takeoffs, if it's at the coast it's even worse. About 50% of pilots don't have basic control of the wing and are just hoping it goes ok, 30% have basic control but still struggle, and about 20% of them really know what they are doing. If you go to the coast on a really windy day these stats get even worse. So the question is, why? Why don't people groundhandle more? Maybe they don't have time, maybe they are lazy, maybe they are misguided or don't have friends to do it with, maybe they thing it will damage their wing, maybe on a windy day their wing will just pull them too much. Maybe all of these, but the one I hear the most is "I don't want to groundhandle because it will damage my wing". So in my opinion it is very much worth the time and money to put into a GH wing, regardles of the brand and where you buy it from, because it removes the "oh I would groundhandle but...". When people start putting as much time into their groundhandling as they do into their flying, and the takeoffs and landings start looking much better, then I'll shup up about it and admit: "ok well, everyone is doing great takeoffs and should great control, so they must be doing their homework on their main wings".
