The Best Modeler in 2023? Fractal, Line 6 or Neural DSP? 

100%!

Yep, but then how will advertisers justify their existence?

Very true, I’ve run FOH with guitarists using fractal, neural dsp and helix, and how good they sound is always more about how they program their patches rather than which platform they’re using (and most importantly how good they’re able to play ofc)

"It's a matter of what interface and form factor works for you." - TRUE 100%

Fractal is better

Support that I got was fantastic!

Love the design and the power and the interface for sure. And being able to have a guitarist and a bassist in one QC would be insane for small band live shows.

I suspect there are more one-liners where that came from. 😂 Keep them coming, John…

Lmao nice

Has a new one before the end of a gig 😂

Hahahaha.…. 😂

And has a great very low latency, mostly others compete with quantity, while Boss offers great quality!

@@razznote7586 I'm all about the 32-bit signal path. Pretty much everyone else is 24-bit still. I can hear it in the highs and the dynamics

I have Ampero 2 Stomp. It has 24 bit signal path. I'm really intrigued with how everyone is raving about 32 bit signal. Does that really make a lot of difference? I am inclined towards getting a Gt1000 or core. Thanks

@@wickedmetalheadit does make a difference !

Looks like an ad bot comment.

Man I love that tune - saw it live in January!!

How you can reduce quad cortex latency? If I’m playing a clean and then want to switch to a distortion, I love sometimes using a pick up of a distortion like a seconds ago to the bar. quad cortex latency doesn’t let me to do it

@@gilberthroca1003 depends how you’re using it. The only time you’ll get latency from the Quad is if you’re switching between presets. Try using it in scene mode or even just stomp mode .

May I aska question if you don't mind since you seem to be well versed in electronics changing the Helix screen yourself? The footswitches of my Helix lt is dying and I'm going to have to change them myself. Do you have any part suggestions or instructions on how to dget in there and swap the switches out myself? Does it require soldering and so on?

I am blown away how good mine sounds now that it's dialed in. Glad to finally hear someone give the GX100 the recognition it deserves.

Same here. I had the Helix, a Kemper Stage and a Headrush. Nothing satisfiying me more than the GX100. It does everything I need. Sure you need to do your own Presets but thats fun and easy. I have access to 2 Gain Stages, 2 Modulation Effects , 2 Delays , Volume Pedal / Wah and a Looper direct on the board and I use it like a Pedalboard .

I think the line 6 Pod Go is a great option

​@@catsven1973Nux... Line 6 is not budget

@@metallica3604 I bought a used Line 6 Pod Go for $200. It’s one of the best purchases I’ve made. They routinely sell for under 350 used.

@@metallica3604 yeah it’s a bit expensive but you got for the money .. under that price you spend money to get bad sounding stuffs .. consider the Pod Go it’s a great deal .. I prefer putting money in serious stuff than buying anything that I ll regret the next day..the pod Go brand new is in the price of the Pod HD back in the day.. in 2009 I bought a pod X3 live 480€ .. and the helix LT in 2018 for 980€.. you can find nice deals as Edward said like under 300$/€.. whether it’s HX stomp or a pod Go.

@@edwardprete yeah very possible.. and indeed it’s a great deal .. congratulations.

I liked their approach of not doing every amp in existence.

Even if they did, the XL is a fine device in its own right and I don’t regret it or my Helix Floor. 👍🏽 But with confidence.

It’s not that old, I doubt a new one is coming in the next 2 years.

UI ain't great.

@@MOAB-UT ? Have you tried it? I think it’s probably one of the best. It’s harder to use than some yes, but that’s because of how much tweakability you have

@@jasonwright4144 Yes Jason- I was on the waitlist a year, then snagged a FM9 Turbo. I loved the tone but the UI was pretty antiquated. I tried to deal with it since it is otherwise so good, if not a little big and heavy. After a few months though I decided to sell it (lost nothing.) I bought a cheap MG-30 to tie me over until Cliff decides to catch up with the UI. If it was $1,000, no big deal but for $1800 (ship+tax), I wanted better on unit editing. FM9-Edit is fine. I am not a pro so it probably bothers me more than you. I mostly do coffee table editing. It's also not as fun to tweak than even an Ampero II with it's nice touchscreen- $400. My MG-30 was $200 and the UI is a dream. Sure, they are not nearly as complex but still, bright, colorful and intuitive screens- Ampero is Touchscreen. Every parameter is where you think it should be and it takes less steps to make changes on the unit. I know some pro's who leave their FM9 at home and take their Stomp to gigs given it's form factor and superior UI. I don't like the tone or effects in the Stomp nearly as much but in a mix you would be hard pressed to tell any difference. To each their own. I will replace the FM9- hopefully soon but not until they revamp that dated UI. A MKII Turbo version won't likely be enough. I will wait years if needed. Fortunately for me, I am just a hobbyist bedroom player so it's no big deal. I love great tone though. In 2023 these things should have color touchscreens, bluetooth and be easy to use. Saw your jams- pretty cool. I like your Jazz Vibes playing. I just learned the trick to play along with any major scale using the well known pentatonic shapes- works great. You are like me- you lean heavy on the scales. I need to learn more riffs to make it sound more musical and less scale like. I like my shapes though! Now if they came out with a modeler that made me play better I would buy one! Have you discovered this cat yet? Sean Mann out of UK- one of the best players I ever heard- spot on to SRV, Mayer, Hendrix ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tBN7zJ-QdUQ.html&ab_channel=SeanMann and ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-acyEqcWG-54.html&ab_channel=SeanMann I might take some of his online lessons. He uses the Line6 Helix Native plug in. His tone is spot on- I mean spot on. Cheers- keep Rockin'- you sound great! 😀

What have been the biggest differences between the QC and FM9 for you?

@@josuastangl7140 so since I posted this I have flip flopped again. I repurchased the QC and have been doing more head to head comparisons lately. The FM9 sounds amazing and the effects are top notch. The reverbs are soo good. But the interface is clunky and I’m so dependent on the desktop editor that it would be challenging to make tweaks on the fly even though they have thought of some slick features for that like global controls for reverb mix, amp gain, etc. the QC also sounds great and I love the interface. It’s just so natural to tap on the block you want and twist the foot switches to edit your parameters. So quick and satisfying. The reverbs and delays in the QC sound nice too but maybe less “immersive” if that’s a thing. But more portable footprint which is nice. They’re both awesome. I think ill keep both because they are both so inspiring. I don’t think you can go wrong

I have the same combination, I just can't make up my mind to downsize my "collection" a bit, the Kemper is still there too. I find the FM3 with the FC6 better than the Helix. Works well with the FC6. If you work with the editor no problem. On the device, this is "nicely" solved with the Helix, in my opinion it's just a matter of getting used to it. I'm more considering selling the Kemper, Helix and the FM3 combination and only trying the FM9

How do you like the tonex? I was considering using it with my hx effects and using an frfr speaker with it.

@@adamfiedorczuk5969 It’s very capable, and quite a bargain. Of course it totally depends on the captures, but when you find ones you like, it feels great to play. I love it.

Well, it surely is way more expensive than stomp xl or lt so

I was about to pull the trigger on a Headrush Prime when I saw the price in US dollars, I balked, when I saw the price in Australian dollars :)

I agree. I also think that the line should ramp up processing power: Stomp as is, XL slightly more, LT a little more, Helix floor and rack the most or even add more to the rack.

lol Can't believe there still are people who criticize modelers for sounding digital in 2023

Interesting. I thought about getting a Quad Cortex, to have something more portable for rehearsals, since I don‘t want to move my whole rack with the Axe FX 3 with additional cases. The FM9 would be then be the obvious choice. What made you essentially to prefer the FM9 over the Neural Quad Cortex?

@@canyonrider9 so many reasons, from stability, reliability, to Software and Firmware but the ultimate test/reason is actually quite simple; For sound, the FM9 blows the QC away it sounds fantastic.

I thought Atomic and most of them used SHARC chips. Admittedly I don't keep up with the innards, but Boss uses their own chip, which must be pretty powerful, because GT-1000 core never seems to get warm.

mine broke unfortunately

@@johnnathancordy How so? Rather worrying to hear

@@johnnathancordy Sorry to hear. Hopefully, you get it sorted out. I’m still having amazing results with mine

I do that! With pedals

​@@Rafael4741 May I ask what do you do with pedals you mean?

​@@Rafael4741 Oh do you mean switching over to Stomp XL with more real pedals on the side?

Yeah but you can 4 cable method and USE YOUR AMP. I do this. I also use a buffered A/B/Y switch and invite two studio monitors to the party. Tip- your drum track will sound amazing coming out of quality studio monitors because of the tweeters. Crispy. Then, I play backing tracks via my 7.1 home theatre. Wide sound separation. For $20 you can buy a bluetooth adapter that connects to your stereo theatre amp- control/play then via your phone like any other bluetooth speaker. I also use a RC500 looper which lets me save loops, left and right channels and drums. 32 bit quality. If you think about it- your AMP has a modeler built in assuming it is not a tube- even still. A very limited modeler. An external modeler simply expands on those electronics. You still have a cabinet, amplification and a speaker that you can use. I use my Boss Katana in the mix and it sounds great. You can also record your loop and play that back via monitors, then just play your amp, modeler or acoustic. It's all good. In a mix, for sure no one would know any different either. Even a $10k tube amp- in a mix with a Fractal Axe-FX III, the latter might even sound better given the effects. But hey man- do what you like. No wrong way to play your sound.

lol Can't believe there are still ignorant boomers criticizing modelers for not sounding like the real amp in a room in 2023. lol You are pretty much doing the same thing as criticizing cars for not flyingor going under water lol

Live playing or studio?

👍👍