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@Tiago Campos They can't complain to the police but they can complain to the apartment complex. The apartment complex has the right to terminate a lease if a tenant is a nuisance and/or violating the terms of the lease agreement.
@@stephenhughes5156 It is if you talk too loud. Some people think that when they talk on the phone that they have to make sure the person care hear them a mile a way. The mouth piece is only inches from your mouth so just need to talk at a low level.
Seeing this makes me glad I live in a house and can play at any hour of the day. Trust me I have plaid at 3am-4am. I couldn't imagine spending considerable money on a set up that can not hit the stage. You got to do what you got to play though. Nice video.
I just went around to all my neighbors, came straight with them and said my buddies and i have been temporarily evicted from the jam space to prevent the spread of corona virus and that we weren't the only bands either. Its for our protection and everyone else's that the jam and recording space is closed for the time being, and will remain shut down until further notice. I brought my drums home and will be practicing here, but will only play between 11:30am and 5pm and those are just set hours where most of my neighbors aren't home. I will not be playing that entire time or before or after stated times. If theres a problem with the volume, please dont call the cops, dont call the leasing office, and come talk to me. I am more than willing to cooperate it you talk to me first. My neighbors said they were cool with it and there hasn't been any angry notes on my door or any police visitations or anything like that. Also helps to live in the ghetto. No one wants to deal with cops so they were totally chill about it. 😂
Hey brother it kicks ass bc it works for your situation I think it's great like some of your ideas thanks for the time you put in to your chanel.keep them coming
Would it be possible for your to make a video of how that sounds in the rooms around you (rooms next to you, above you, and below you)? Or maybe make a video of your neighbors and there take on it? May not be feasible...
That’s a great idea, and I’ve thought about that before. But yeah...It’s ultimately a little bit easier said than done. :) When I built my tennis ball riser though, I did do a test/comparison from the floor below to see how well it worked. I took it to a house to do that so that I had easy access to the floor below. If you haven’t seen that vid, check it out! I don’t test from every room, but I mainly compare the audio levels in the room the kit’s in, in the basement below, with the riser, and without the riser. Here’s a link... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-z0Kxoa5K1vg.html
In my opinion the most quiet “Best Practice Kit EVER” is indisputably Aerodrums! I’m working with this seriously for more than 6 years and I’m even doing gigs with it. Compared to over 20 years of practicing on electronic drums and another couple of years on silent drum kits before (like the Yamaha SL1) I would say, that I’ve never felt progressing like in the last 6 years with Aerodrums. And a lot of your videos helped me for mastering it. At first this one “How NOT to Hold Your Drum Sticks”. It’s exactly like this you should play Aerodrums, but instead of letting bounce your sticks on the drum heads, you need to let them bounce on the palm of your hands. Like this you still have enough rebound for doing double strokes, flams and paradiddles. All in all, this is a perfect muscle and muscle-memory trainer, it has incredible dynamics, zero latency and is completely silent! The prize for Aerodrums is around 180 € plus 50 € for the camera stand (which is absolutely necessary for serious playing!). In Aerodrums you can find a metronome, a playlist function for playing with your music, you can record yourself, you can setup your kits in space like you want, just with using your sticks. You can add or remove elements, you can even add your own samples (Aerodrums can import multilayer wave files) and it is full midi compatible! No kidding, this is the best invention for drummers I’ve seen in the last 35 Years. I invite you to have a look on my dedicated RU-vid channel for having an idea what you can do with it.
Hi @StephenClark thanks for this update video . We distribute Black Holes in Asia . We would like to point out that after countless installations and customer Testimonials, the black holes serve the purposes of lowering volume without sacrificing tone , attack and feel. If you tune your snare drum properly and get rid of the buzz before putting on the black hole, the problems you mentioned will not happen. And to put a full piece of covering or pad on the snare head surface is not necessary. At most just put 2 pieces of drumdots that will do the trick. The advantage and intrinsic value of the black hole is , it has zero contact with the drum head and therefore will not alter or interfere with the original drum sound. It only serves to do what we mentioned in the beginning. Thanks Stephen.
The best low-noise solution that maintains the feel, tone, and body of an acoustic drum, with cymbals that sound really good is as follows: Drum-tec pro heads; really authentic rebound, thick single ply head that keeps the tone and body of the drum, and is just the right volume. (Louder than other mesh head, significantly quieter than mylar. Agean low-noise cymbals; sound incredible compared to the competition, made from b20 bronze and is a tiny bit louder but is 100% worth it. Significantly quieter than normal cymbals. You can take this a step further and mic everything up, use a bit of compression and bingo, you have the best-bar-none low (not silent) volume setup. It may be costly but if you're serious about drumming, and want to enjoy yourself whilst practicing quietly then it's 100% worth it. There's nothing inspiring about hitting super bouncy silentstrokes, and crappy low volume cymbals.
Yes Stephen the story of all our drummers lives.. we always bug the neighbours. One of the reasons i didn't want to buy a kit for many years, until my girlfriend bought a Ludwig accent CS shell pack, now im going to make my one room soundproof with rockwool and buy myself good cymbals and a double bass pedal and a decent snare, Hope the soundproofing works :(
Can you do a video please on how to get use to playing with this set up? How to adjust your feel , how to get use to mesh heads ? Technique ect, would be a great follow up video for sure
Except for the snare, you can definitely record this kit. I'd love to hear it (except the snare) in multiple mixes : jazz, rock, metal (check out glenn fricker), etc...
Good call! Yeah whenever I record the kit I just use the super pad on the snare, which sounds pretty cool and funky. I sort of did this last summer with a little 5-song drum cover compilation. Within certain songs and styles, the practice kit really fits in pretty well. Here’s a link to that video if you want to check it out. I’ll have to do some more videos along those lines, testing out the sounds in different genres. Great idea! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Nw1dK4atl6U.html
Or you can put drum pads on all the toms, snare, and kick (reduces the noise / sound very significantly). there are also pads for cymbals too, but they aren't pretty to hear. electric drum kits are cool too and are very quiet :) and you can plug in your own headphones so only you can hear! and recording is much cheaper, easier, and more user friendly :)
Great video Stephen. I had the silent stroke on my bass drum but I had to discard it as I wasn't getting the low end thump I wanted. I couldn't afford the superpad so I went out and bought a foam rubber exercise mat and cut out of it, a circle the same diameter as an Emad muffle ring and then replaced the muffle ring with it, putting in a bit of spongy acoustic foam sandwiched in-between. It has worked really well, I have all the low end thump I want at a volume level not much greater than an e-kit kick drum pad.
Really into this at the moment cause Im new to drums and Im 60 and I gotta practise. I play a bop kit so I cut three 20cm thick circles of wood..cut some cheap rubber sheet to size and pile all this and some A4 up on my drums...push the beater against the bass drum head, and bought some Zildjians.....they can still hear it but its much quieter and sounds ok.
Found this video very helpful for setting up my own practice set. Thanks! I found a different solution for the snare problem. On the issue of the RTom snare buzz: Rather than placing a practice pad underneath and losing too much drum tone, put the RTom on as advertised and then place a small cloth ON TOP. This mutes the RTom head a little (Ringo style) but also brings the snare response right back into focus. I think the issue comes from too much resonance between the RTom head, the snare batter and the snare resonant head. The snare wires get sent too much vibration. That's my theory anyway. The small cloth or towel on top means we get a 70s style muted snare that matches volume with the l80s comfortable and still feels like a real drum head (provided the cloth is thin enough).
Great stuff! I have a very similar set up at home. You should really try a 3-ply mesh head on the snare drum. I experimented a lot with different mesh heads around the kit and the 3-ply one from drum-tec, called ‘real feel’ moves enough air to really activate the snare. It sounds pretty realistic and feels, well, real.
Btw, the 3-ply head isn’t the best for the toms, I like single ply ‘Hart Magnums’ for them, but it’s the best I’ve found for getting a realistic snare sound.
I've recently done the same with my Tom's and it works really Well! I've even done the same with my snare and got a great result. My problem is the kick drum. The noise level is perfect but with one strike comes 3 or 4 hits. Heeeeeellllppppp!! Cheers
Got myself some Silent Stroke heads and L80 cymbals. Watched a lot of demo videos before the purchase hoping someone would comment on on particular aspect of this gear. I wondered if there'd be enough sound left to use the kit for recording! Well....found out for myself by going ahead and trying it but this is the first video I've seen that comments on that. They may not give everyone's idea of the perfect drum sound but hey DO work! Play around with EQ and compression and you'll be surprised what you can get outta this stuff.
Another isolation thing that works is a blowup air bed sandwich - two sheets of plywood with the air bed in between, throw down your rug and set up your kit. Add some plumbing pipe stabilisers at the corner et voila! ✌️🇦🇺🌹
All about finding what works for your situation & preferences. Like your set up, it takes adjustments & creative thought. But drummers have done this forever, tapes & foreign additions.
As drummers we’re forced into creative thinking for sooo many reasons. Very true. A lot of what we do is problem solving, which is unique to every drummer and his situation. All it takes is some creativity!
I have a similar set up - zildjian l80s and Jobeky three ply mesh heads, standard reso heads. Sounds decent enough, and feels great, way better than having rubber pads over the heads and cymbals. But I wasn't keen on the snare sound... Like you said a bit buzzy, so what I did was get some carpet underlay (like foam) I had lying around and taped it on to the reso head and it really cut down the buzzing and also brought the volume slightly lower. It sounds kind of dry and more like a shallow snare but I quite like it. Subbed.
Ahh those Jobeky mesh heads are pretty cool. I wonder if they’re harder to come by in the US...Looks like they’re a company based in the UK. They look really great, but I don’t hear a lot about them. I’d be really interested to compare those with the Silentstrokes. Good ideas! You can definitely play around with dampening the reso head itself...or you could tape the snare wires. I’m really digging my superpad/RTOM combo though, since it results in such a quick, dry snare sound. Sound-wise, I ultimately like just the superpad on the snare, because it naturally creates a really cool dead sound that is very funky. I just practice with the RTOM on top for rimshots, but I have to sacrifice sound a bit as a result.
Stephen Clark yes they're based here in the UK, the heads are pretty decent, they're slightly bouncy though, like many other mesh heads out there. I'm considering going for some drumtec ones next (real feel) mainly for the snare as that's where I notice the bounce the most, the toms I can live with as they're detuned enough, but this isn't an option for the snare. I may try taping the wires, that did cross my mind not long ago.... I used to have an electronic drum kit and I'm so glad I switched to this type of set up, it looks and feels (almost) like a real kit, the sound is 'good enough' and is quiet enough to not overly bother anyone which is very important when living in close proximity to many other people.
The duct tape on the silentstrokes is a great idea to make them more tolerable for practice. I'm not sure if I'm alone in this or not, but playing on mesh is akin to chewing on tin foil for me. On the flipside, it does force me to try to get a perfect, straight-on stroke to avoid that horrible scrape sensation. Great channel, keep it up!
Thanks! Agreed - I’ve never been a fan of the “mesh” feel. That’s why I stuck to Superpads on my toms for so long. But yes, the duct tape definitely helps to alleviate the scraping and the springiness. I’ve also noticed that every mesh is a little bit different. Some mesh heads are thicker, others are thinner. I like the feel of the RTOM mesh because it’s a little thicker and less springy. (It avoids the scraping problem by default because of its built-in patch in the middle though.)
@Stephen : it would be great to post a video with how this kitsounds in the room VS what you hear through your headphones. And also : how much all these elements cost ?
Great kit! I got myself a similar one, using a Tamburo Club-Kit as the basis, Silent Strokes on all 4 drums (yeah, bass as well) and L80s. Great sound and feel. BUT: The best solution, I could get for having a realistic snare-sound and feel was a Sabian “Quiet Tone” Practise Pad, plus replacing its regular steel with a wood-hoop. Beneath it then sits the regular snare with a mesh-head on. Maybe worth checking out, as you can practice brushes and side stick, which is real important to me.
Hmm...very cool. I like that wood hoop idea. Hadn’t thought of that. Do you find it to be significantly quieter? That’s also great that you’re able to play brushes on it. Brushes work great on the Aquarian super pads, but not so great on the Silentstrokes.
You area genius!!! Im going to do that to the snare with a practice pad and tell you what happened! ( I bought exactly all your kit plus the zildjian ride)(sow it for the first time in your previous video)
Around 3:25 here you said that the Aquarian Super Pad isn't one of the more realistic-feeling "quiet" solution but in your comparison video, you rated it pretty highly (in terms of feel) among that, the Rtom, and the Silent Stroke. I'm currently weighing my options for my own set and stuck on the bass drum options. Could you clarify that?
Hi @mjrupps we are not replying on behalf of Stephen ...but we remember his scores shows that Black Holes scored the overall highest. And as a black hole distributor in Asia ... we don’t agree with the point that the black holes sound bad on the snare drum according to what Stephen showed here. For black holes our firm believe after selling many many pieces is .... it only reduces the volume but does not alter the original drum sound. And therefore in Stephen’s case , we believe that having the black hole does not take away the responsibility that we need to have and that is to tune up the drums properly and black hole will do the job of lowering volume without sacrificing tone , attack and feel. And one interesting thing to also note is Black hole is the only low volume product that is not touching the drum head and so it can never alter the sound.
@@16BeatDrums Your response is centered around the snare drum where my question was focused on the bass drum. You also talked about sound and I was curious about feel. I don't really care too much about sound when I have headphones on playing along to music underneath. I did watch the video and know how he scored each product but was questioning a specific point made in 2 separate videos. In my smaller corner practice space, I got a DW Pancake bass so the RTom bass head would not have fit as well. Since this question last year, I have paired the Black Holes on the toms and snare with the DrumTec Real Feel on the bass and I couldn't be happier with the results. For the toms and snare, I have mostly Pearl Exports and my only complaint is that the tunable tension rings on the Black Holes come loose pretty often despite careful playing. Otherwise, they're better than I could have imagined
Very cool man, the riser is such a good idea. I could see that being useful even just in a general home studio where noise isn't an issue. Just gives you even more control over the sound / bleed etc.
If you’re using the aquarian head on the snare, why put the Rtom head over it? Is it just so you don’t have it laying to waste in your house, apartment, etc?
This may sound crazy, but try some small condenser microphones on the drums instead of 57s. dynamic mics, especially 57s, are the natural choice for loud drums but you have to turn them up pretty loud to get a good volume level on silent strokes and that introduces a lot of unneeded noise (not true of all dynamic mics, generalizing). In my opinion, condensers sound better on these drums but ONLY in this type of setup because their increased sensitivity means it captures the subtly of your playing a little more, in my experience. The less you have to master later, the less work and the more natural the sound. My setup only has one dynamic mic and that's only because I I'm using all 6 of my condenser mics. Mics always come down to personal preference and there is no -right- answer but you may be surprised what results you get if you mic nontraditionally on an nontraditional kit, because at the end of the day there is little to no experience out there micing silent strokes or l80s.
Great tips. Have you ever tried air drum technology like Freedrum, Aerodrum, etc..? Interesting without rebound, but looks like could strengthen wrists and accuracy. Would appreciate feedback if anyone has tried this system. Possible addition to the drummer’s toolbox. Thanks and really appreciate your videos.
Stephen, thank you for another great video. I wonder if you could make another video about your mics and EQ equipment. I have a practice kit setup very similar to yours and definitively would love to leanr how to enhace the way it sounds as you do with yours. Thanks again.
Thanks, Andres! Here’s a link to a video I made last summer about my miking/processing flow. I don’t think much has changed since then in terms of miking, and I’m still doing a lot of the same EQ on the drums. Maybe this will help you out! This one’s about the miking and basic EQ... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-kcONgnM7NoE.html This one’s a continuation, going into heavier processing and sampling... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Av-0hi6v0Us.html
Just started playing around, don't have anything except a pair of sticks, and a very tight budget, what should i get? I need to be a little quiet i live in the country so i do not have to worry about neighbors, but do not want to bother family to much, i saw that electric kits are bad for perfecting my technique so should i avoid electric kits as a beginner? Or would electric kit be a good starting point? Even if it is unrealistic.
Can you please comment on how you listen to a backing track and play along to it, with this setup? I am literally piecing everything together in this video and getting ready to purchase!
How about hybrid? I have an Alesis nitro, bought cheap bass, tom,tom,snare. I’m taking the bottom heads off, put 2 ply mess on top, slide each nitro up to meet the mesh, secure with wood bars after taking top head off again using the provided screw holes, run wires down so they are always connected to the head, plug in. Tighten to how you have acoustic heads. Bought the drums at shopgoodwill for $9.99, $13.99, $11.99, and $7.99. They also sell Nitros and others from time to time. Price depending on brand. My acoustic is above the garage in a studio and I wanted to have a softer hybrid in the house and for easy travel and volume situations. Also leaving the bottom heads off makes them easy portable.
i said to you a month a go, i really enjoy your videos, one of the best channels for drummers. Would you recomend a good electronic drum kit for an aparment? Regards from Argentina.
Thanks, Miguel! I appreciate that. As far as my recommendation for an e kit...it’s tough because I’m extremely picky about those. I think it all depends on what your goals are. If you just need something to practice on for a short time while you’re living in an apartment, there are a lot of decent kits that would get that done. If you’re working on learning songs, working on coordination, exploring musical ideas, etc., any of the mid-tier Roland kits (td-15, td-25) could be perfect for you. The only drawback is if you begin working on detailed things like hi hat technique, snare rimshots, crossticks, cymbal choking, etc... you might not be able to realistically practice those things on an e kit that’s under $5000. If you want some more info on all things electric drums, check out 65 Drums RU-vid channel. Justin’s got a lot of great advice and insight into these kind of things, and you might be able to find some good ideas and recommendations. Here’s a link to his channel... ru-vid.com/show-UCUBcHXf3KHCQmilm34aoWzg
Question, do you turn your bass drum around just for sound preference, or is there a feel component to it? I didn't quite understand your comment on why you turned it around. thanks
Do these cymbals do well with studio recording? They sounded decently loud when you played on the mics, and it'd probably be a nice way to reduce cymbal bleed.
I recommend buying the drumtec pro series mesh heads in connection with some muffling for way better feel and sound. I tried this exact set up and was very disappointed. Especially in the rtom blackhole, it doesn't work very well at all on the snare.
I’m glad you found something that works for you! Is Drum Tec a German company? They’re one of those companies that I don’t hear about much in the US, even though they make some great products. In some of the pictures, it looks like these heads have a built-in rim like the RTOM. If so, that’s a huge plus. I’d be interested in comparing the two.
Stephen Clark looks like they are. the rim is seperate for 10euros, i think. i bought one for the snare but they are availiable in every size I think. if they ship to the US you should really try them out.
Hi, I tried to buy Zildjian K Dark Medium 16” Crash Cymbal. However, I just realized that I am living in an apartment. I see that you have the Low volume Zildjian cymbals, but it isn’t impressive to me because of the price. Do you think 16” Crash cymbals are not too loud in the apartments? Or, do I still need some muffling tools for the 16” Crash cymbals? Do you have some tips?
It sums up the point of the channel. If I were making drum covers and doing stick tricks and teaching you how to play fast, I wouldn’t be the “non glamorous drummer” for sure. :) But since I’m more focused on the drumming concepts and subjects that really matter toward getting better at the drums...AND they’re a bit non glamorous at times... I have to go with that name. 😀
short changing your self. I have the mindest about covers and bs youtube drumming views things. but your brand doesnt make sense. who wants to trust or believe in a guy who doesn't even believe in his own self? defeatist. just my two sense. and advice. then again my channel hasnt grown and i could really give a shit less now days. keep doing you.
Straight up practicing as well as mountain biking are actually pretty good suggestions haha! You definitely have to practice playing consistently loud (or fast, or both) for extended periods of time to build up the strength. Just playing some uptempo four-on-the-floor songs are great right-leg workouts. Anything in that 110-130bpm range. I’ve noticed my legs getting tired at the end of a long gig if I play for 3 hours or something. That’s where some actual exercise (like biking) can help. Being in shape outside of drumming can help a lot when you’re performing loudly or for extended periods of time. That’s something I need to work on more myself. 😉
Red Bull Pulp check your classifieds,or kijjij, you might get lucky and get a decent kit with alot of extras from someone who eg. Starting a family and just can't keep drumming . I bought some Yamahas,came with all the cymbals ,throne ,bags, and extra double pedal for 400 from such a situation,just a suggestion.
Here’s a idea just set your real kit up at midnight and mic it up in your apartment and go balls out and play Joey Jordanson style until the cops come , then inform your neighbors that you purchased a silent kit and to let you know if it’s as loud and when they hear that quiet tapping you’ll never have an issue even when they hear it they will be thankful and not complain even late at night works every time
Im switchkng actually right now also to a silent drum kit.. (no more electric) why aren't you using remo silentstroke on the snare? Is the rimshot still too loud
Yes, like Soyuz already mentioned below. The rimshot is still very loud, although you could try muffling with rubber. I haven’t tried it, though I bet that would make a great DIY solution that would cost less than the RTOM. :)
cool, but i dont like the kit and cymbals moving. if your happy with it ..............great. i use the dw smart practice kit, and i am happy with those results of silence.
Those tennis balls will lose pressure really fast. Unless they’re pressureless balls, I wouldn’t want to replace them as often as you’re going to have to replace them.
My kit here that doubles as my practice kit and gigging kit is a pretty basic Ludwig kit I bought in 2009. Nothing fancy at all, but I did peel the wrap off a couple years ago to make it look less cheap. 😉
It is hard to believe anyone in an apartment would have a drum kit. I imagine that your neighbors still hear it but don't mind. I like the effort you have made to keep quiet, though.
Is your setup like this? That’s pretty harsh that there’s no mercy in Moscow, but this is honestly about as quiet as a practice kit can get (besides just playing on straight up pieces of soft foam or something). I hope you’ve found a system that works for you! Never good to go to jail. ☹️
Stephen Clark yes. I am using “rebuild” acoustic drum set too. I can send you a photos if you give me your e-mail or something. And I want to film a video about this in a while. My “silence” set up not perfect, but it’s very quite. And cheap enough btw. P.s. No offense mate
