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Welcome to a my series of videos helping beginners to start playing the best roleplaying ever, Blades in the Dark! In this video we discuss the best RPG mechanic that's ever been invented...
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@tslfrontman
@tslfrontman День назад
Progress Clocks remind me of playing Hangman as a kid. Bonus points if you can make your 'clock' an illustration of something happening, like dramatically erasing a burning wick that's about to ignite a powder keg. Or a pie thats being eaten!
@Dialethian
@Dialethian 17 часов назад
I had the idea for an uncertain clock Storm Weather system. You'd roll 2d8 and the players would see the Higher dice number, and the lower number would be the number of days/turns/etc until the Storm hits every cycle.
@DiceyEncounters
@DiceyEncounters 15 часов назад
Sounds cool! I did something similar before I knew they were a thing. In a lot of ways the RNG helps keep things fair.
@Tysto
@Tysto 3 месяца назад
For opposed goals, I like tic-tac-toe (naughts & crosses). Each space is a skill or ability check. The opponents block certain routes to success while trying to get their own.
@DiceyEncounters
@DiceyEncounters 3 месяца назад
Ooh that’s quite interesting, never heard of that!
@tcepsa
@tcepsa 18 часов назад
Haven't tried this so the idea might be rubbish, but to combat the problem of players being able to see how much "cushion" they have left, what if the clock was the basis for a probabilistic event? For example, representing the DC of being detected by a guard, or the number (or number of sides) of dice being rolled against a DC. So as it changes, it increases or decreases the likelihood of something happening rather than directly causing it to happen. I feel like that would also work pretty well narratively, at least for some things; you keep bungling stealth checks, you're more likely to get caught by the guards. You keep trying to crack a safe, the more likely you are to get it... and the more likely you are to get caught by guards ;-) Could be a pain to balance, and might be more trouble than its worth, but I figured I'd throw it out there since I didn't see anyone else talking about it.
@DiceyEncounters
@DiceyEncounters 15 часов назад
Sounds interesting, a bit more fun too than simply raising the DC every failed attempt. Since filming this I've started hiding the clocks more if its something the players narratively wouldn't know how close to manifesting it is, it works better for the tension but I do think Blades insists on keeping them public so that the players can feel like clever rogues when they avoid them (which is the whole raison d'etre of the game). I think it ultimately depends on what your players like best!
@hampusastrom8190
@hampusastrom8190 3 месяца назад
Progress/threat clocks where definitely present in Apocalypse World before Blades in the Dark, but mostly for more long term threats. It is more of a GM mechanic there rather than en everyone mechanic.
@DiceyEncounters
@DiceyEncounters 3 месяца назад
Ah I didn’t know that, I love using Fronts so I vaguely remember them from that but maybe not in a clock format
@tilleul6917
@tilleul6917 3 месяца назад
Came here to say that, Blade in the dark is a pbta after all and the clocks are heavily inspired by Fronts. And it's a frequent and old gameplay tool in chose your own adventure games, textual adventures and visual novels. A great example with a setting close to Blades in the dark is Fallen london/sunless sea. (It may even be one of the inspirations of Blade in the dark)
@Drudenfusz
@Drudenfusz 3 месяца назад
It is really a shame how often I see people claiming the clocks are from Blades in the Dark and being ignorant that they are actually from Apocalypse World.
@anthonychaplin6232
@anthonychaplin6232 11 часов назад
I think probably older than apocalypse world too, I remember similar systems in wfrp 3e with their progress tracks. Probably the idea is even older.
@SDCromwell
@SDCromwell 3 месяца назад
I have an alternative view on how to properly use a progress clock. The players don't need to know how many successes they need to pass an event or mission, and they don't need to know how many failures they can stand to afford before suffering consequences. They only need to know the nature of the rewards and/or potential consequences. I feel like this can cut down on meta-gaming and encourage more natural story-telling. If they got their required three successes in a row right off the bat, it's fine to keep going and let them get a failure or even two before ending with a close call or a chase into a different challenge or a big fight
@DiceyEncounters
@DiceyEncounters 3 месяца назад
Yeah I keep them in the background for faction moves and machinations for that reason. Might try leaving some clocks hidden and just tell players it’s ticking, see how different it is
@Delmworks
@Delmworks 27 дней назад
I half-agree- while the exact numbers don’t matter, a clock is not useful if the players don’t know it exists.
@drivers99
@drivers99 Месяц назад
The only PbtA I’ve played (in co-op mode, so I sorta GM’d it too) was Ironsworn. I just realized the linear progress bars (progress tracks) it uses are the same as clocks. I think. They’re always 10 boxes but the amount you increase them by depends on the difficulty.
@DiceyEncounters
@DiceyEncounters Месяц назад
I’ve been reading that too actually yeah. May have to do a follow up video on all the other great progress trackers out there!
@GlenHallstrom
@GlenHallstrom 20 часов назад
Reviewed Blades in the Dark. Don't care for the gnre but progress clocks are great. I'm working on adapting them for car chases in my Gangbusters BX games.
@Caitlin_TheGreat
@Caitlin_TheGreat 8 дней назад
I think even that example of a clock's shortcoming being the players feeling "safe" because they have _plenty_ of ticks before they're caught, I think being directly spotted by a guard would either immediately fill the clock, or -- if the players are quick and knock out the guard, hide his unconscious body --- it'd at least provide a few ticks all at once. Going from "oh, we have 6 ticks left, we've got this" to "oh no, that was 3 ticks all on its own... guys this is getting hairy, we can't afford to be seen again". I really need to run more Blades / FitD games. My group only played one, which I ran. And I could've done it better. I also needed them to have more buy-in with their characters, the setting, and the system itself. But I think those latter and be achieved. But I _have_ used clocks in other games. In fact, I did it before I ever even heard of Blades in the Dark. It just wasn't a circle with pie slices. It was a row of boxes that I'd check off to mark progress. Not as aesthetically pleasing but the same basic thing. But the real difference is in the visibility of them to the players. And that's where I screwed up because I has just keeping them in my notes that the players don't see, and it didn't occur to me on my read-throughs of the the book that it should be seen by the players, but it totally makes sense now.
@DiceyEncounters
@DiceyEncounters 8 дней назад
Sounds like me before I played Blades! Honestly when I first started playing it, I read some great advice which was to keep things simple and you don't need to use all the rules. Maybe try out a clock or two, and it doesn't have to be brilliant shot-calling on your part. Get the players to help fill in gaps and details about the scores and NPCs, it'll definitely generate more buy-in. I've only learned this recently too!
@Delmworks
@Delmworks 27 дней назад
Gonna be using this in a Bloodborne-inspired campaign to track growing devolution into a beast. We’ll see how this goes…
@SteveSwannJr
@SteveSwannJr 14 дней назад
Having never used a progress clock... is the clock seen by the players? Could it be hidden, yet you still tell them that the failure could be turning into a +1 on the clock?
@DiceyEncounters
@DiceyEncounters 13 дней назад
Yeah you can definitely hide them if you don't want to advertise how long they have left, I've started doing this more. It depends how gamey you want to make it but the option is there
@danrimo826
@danrimo826 2 месяца назад
What is the difference between a progress clock and the skill challenge system introduced in D&D 4e?
@DiceyEncounters
@DiceyEncounters 2 месяца назад
Never heard of them before but on looking them up, sound fairly similar except clocks can go back and forth, have multiple at the same time, and are generally quite versatile and easy to throw into the game. Skill challenges sound like they can be run in a similar way but may need more prep ahead of time.
@ricardo.mazeto
@ricardo.mazeto 2 месяца назад
It can be a downside if you show it to the players, but if you don't, it's a great tool for the GM to keep track of progress, specially when there's more than just one. I have come up with this idea before, but in the form of "best of n". Like in beet of 5, wins the party who wins 3 rolls in 5.
@DiceyEncounters
@DiceyEncounters 2 месяца назад
Yeah nice, since this video I’ve been using hidden clocks too, especially when something else is racing them to an objective
@age-of-adventure
@age-of-adventure 14 дней назад
Never played BitD but this is interesting although I don’t really understand some aspects. How do you determine how many segments the clock is? Where is the line between when something is an Action Roll (? I think that’s what it’s called) where everything is resolved in 1 Action, and when that Action is only completed in segments (via Clock)?. It seems like the clocks are a lot more work to manage for the GM, especially as it seems you can have multiple clocks running at same time? (I might have misunderstood here). Anyway thanks for the video.
@DiceyEncounters
@DiceyEncounters 13 дней назад
Yeah so like most things with Blades, it's quite tricky to see it in your mind but after playing a few sessions it all clicks! Usually a success (roll of a 6) is 3 ticks on the clock , success with consequence (4-5) is 2 ticks, and a failure is still 1 tick, so you can work out from that how big you want the clock to be. 6 and 8 segments are the most common really, so averaging 3 or 4 Action Rolls to complete a project, or that's several consequences during a score that will tick a countdown clock. How to know when something is a clock and not just 1 action roll? Usually if the nature of what the player wants to do is going to take several Actions or has multiple stages, or takes a while in-game. To be honest, clocks make GM-ing easier because its an easy way to deal with all the 'consequences' that are generated, they always create drama and tension in a score, and it gives the players some room for failure which they can see, so they can't blame the GM when a single guard spots them and raises the alarm, ruining their plan.
@age-of-adventure
@age-of-adventure 13 дней назад
Hmmm, you might be right and I need to experience it to understand it, because if ‘failure is still 1 tick’ I don’t understand how you can fail any task (it just takes longer?). Can you recommend an actual play to watch so I can see this in action?
@DiceyEncounters
@DiceyEncounters 13 дней назад
@@age-of-adventure Sometimes failure still ticks it, sometimes it doesn't, depending on what makes sense. Pretty sure the blades book (or any forged in the dark games) contain a section explaining them pretty well. If I remember a good bit from one of our games I'll let you know which ep it was in
@tavern.keeper
@tavern.keeper 3 месяца назад
I really don't understand clocks. It's a scale from zero to six. What makes it a clock? Is it just that it's drawn in a circle? What's the innovation here?
@AspelShuyin
@AspelShuyin 3 месяца назад
There's no reason it couldn't be a progress bar, or progress health meter, or progress pebbles. The important part is that it's a specific number of successes of failures that move things along.
@DiceyEncounters
@DiceyEncounters 3 месяца назад
Yeah pretty much this. I think clocks just make it clear that it’s marking time passing, and also it’s clear from a glance how many segments there are
@lpanebr
@lpanebr 3 месяца назад
And also add as many segments as you need.
@ohmygardner
@ohmygardner 13 дней назад
You can spot the size of segments rather quickly, bc people are used to read clocks. Also the circle form allows you to repeat the whole proceas over and over again, like an ebbe and the tide
@nichlasbundgaard5583
@nichlasbundgaard5583 6 дней назад
I have never used a clock, but i think it is called a clock because you fill in the pieces in a clockwise order which of course signifies progress on the clock. It could also be because it is, technically, a timer for the players, once the clock strikes a certain piece something happens that makes the task of the players more difficult. So the clock is 'ticking' while players try to execute their plan. These are just my guesses though.
@the_epipan
@the_epipan День назад
I don't like this idea too much. Because this makes it no longer matter if the characters do everything perfectly or not. If they do everything wrong or make a bustle anyway the nearby guards might not even appear because their clock does not indicate it yet (if I understood correctly that the clock advances due to mistakes and/or actions), and if the players do everything perfectly and well planned, are negative things going to happen to them anyway because that's what the clock says? This mechanic is not really necessary, it is simply a matter of good planning by the GM about how everything is distributed in the place and applying common sense. But I see use in it as a mechanic for SOLO RPG, in which you are emulating a GM and it would be good for you to give all the guards a clock, for example, to simulate uncertainty about patrol/surveillance routines.
@DiceyEncounters
@DiceyEncounters День назад
Actually even if the clock is 99% full, if the players complete their objective, or render it irrelevant, the Bad Thing still doesn’t happen. The guards were suspicious but never got to the point of raising an alarm. Also, if the players roll 6s for their action rolls they’ll not accrue any “consequences” and can have a perfect score. It’s fun every now and then but also a bit boring when everything goes to plan
@the_epipan
@the_epipan День назад
@@DiceyEncounters I would really appreciate it if you had given an example to better visualize how it works. So much in the abstract/theoretical, I think it is not very clear how it works ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@omicrontheta1
@omicrontheta1 3 месяца назад
The zoom in and out it really throwing me, sorry.
@DiceyEncounters
@DiceyEncounters 3 месяца назад
I wasn’t a fan but it does seem to get people through the video
@Listoric
@Listoric 3 месяца назад
@@DiceyEncounters It's not that it's zoomed, it's the zoom animation. If you want to push in for emphasis, don't use an animation, make it a hard cut. If you use stylistic elements, use them how they're actually used. It's been tried and tested. An animated push in is maybe used for a final showdown, or a sudden, highly emotional reaction in a scene, or a comedic moment, think Kill Bill or any Chackie Chan movie. But for conversations, just use a hard cut.
@jamestaylor3805
@jamestaylor3805 Месяц назад
Why do we constanly put fancy dresses on simple counters? The thumbnail shows two counters at 4/6.
@DiceyEncounters
@DiceyEncounters Месяц назад
Actually it’s 4/6, and 2/8. These are from the Blades Roll20 pack.
@jamestaylor3805
@jamestaylor3805 Месяц назад
@@DiceyEncounters still a product that is designed to replace tick marks on the margin of a notepad... consuming both resources and time.
@tslfrontman
@tslfrontman День назад
​@@jamestaylor3805ticks are the opposite of exciting and lack any visual significance or definition. You can't see ticks from across the table. They will look the same next to other ticks. Nobody ever got excited over a tally. While progress clocks are popular because they're visually engaging and add weight to an otherwise mundane tally. A table of players get to literally watch time run out with absolutely minimal effort. Complaining "Why do people keep doing this thing they like?" isn't very helpful to anyone, and nobody is making you use them.
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