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The BEST Singles Pokémon That SUCK in Doubles 

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Smogon Singles and VGC Doubles are vastly different formats, allowing for certain Pokémon to excel in one but not the other. In this video, I uncover 6 of those Pokémon and explain why they are good in singles but not doubles.
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0:00 - Intro
1:05 - Enamorus Incarnate
2:45 - Gliscor
3:43 - Hisuian Samurott
4:47 - Skarmory
5:42 - Alomomola
6:51 - Tornadus Therian
7:51 - Outro

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@khalilnoelgevana3915
@khalilnoelgevana3915 23 дня назад
can't wait for Tornadus to feature again in the "Good in Doubles but Bad in Singles" video, but with the forms reversed
@justanoreo2.0
@justanoreo2.0 23 дня назад
Or incinaroar :0
@x_bell1142
@x_bell1142 22 дня назад
You read my mind
@valiantchris6456
@valiantchris6456 23 дня назад
One suggestion for "Pokémon that are GREAT in Doubles but TERRIBLE in Singles" is Incineroar. It's surprising that the "King Of VGC" is nothing more than a pauper begging for scraps at the gates of NU. From Stealth Rock weakness to mediocre Speed in a format where 100 Base Speed is "too slow".
@xuansangdotrinh1055
@xuansangdotrinh1055 23 дня назад
Incineroar is like Starscream, always play dirty to get the win.
@Henkita2
@Henkita2 23 дня назад
Well i wouldn't say it's scraping at the gates of NU, we haven't gotten NU rankings in a while and SV NU is just gen 4 ou
@Henkita2
@Henkita2 23 дня назад
In fact incineroar was at 9% usage in june, higher than fellow fire starter infernape, who just got buffed in teal mask
@carucath97
@carucath97 23 дня назад
Yeah Primarina is the best Alola Starter in singles (she’s UU in Gen 7 & 8 and OU in Gen 9 - no Tapu Fini lol)
@x_bell1142
@x_bell1142 22 дня назад
Incineroar will be in that video!
@salsamirage.7820
@salsamirage.7820 23 дня назад
3:39 Charjabug getting more usage than gliscor in doubles is mental 😭😭
@leaf_plant_thing2
@leaf_plant_thing2 23 дня назад
i havent seen the video yet, gliscor is good? i play vgc lmao
@myriad3569
@myriad3569 23 дня назад
Battery is crazy
@galaxystudios370
@galaxystudios370 23 дня назад
@leaf_plant_thing2 gliscor is f*cking immortal, and entry hazards are insane in singles (gliscor just got spikes)
@leaf_plant_thing2
@leaf_plant_thing2 23 дня назад
@@galaxystudios370after watching the video i get why its good, but i have never seen one or even considered one to be on my teams lmao, it just doesnt put any pressure onto the opponents like clefairy, flutter mane, urshifu (either form), or just about any other pokemon that is popular in vgc
@Revoltine
@Revoltine 22 дня назад
​@@leaf_plant_thing2You're right about the pressure thing being important in VGC. Gliscor isn't an immediate threat because Toxic Orb + Poison Heal requires ramp up to go online, which means stalling, and we know stall is not good in VGC. Even Swords Dance doesn't provide enough pressure since it can easily be double targetted with only a serviceable level of defenses, nor will it really do much with only a +2 on its attack. Its only serviceable moves are Tailwind, Rock Slide, and Knock Off. You can maybe make an argument for U-turn, but the reason good U-turn users are good is because they both get a good reset on something in their kit (Incineroar's Fake Out and Intimidate, Rillaboom's Grassy Surge, Choice-locked Urshifu) or they're bulky enough to tank a hit or two on switch-in while applying immediate pressure (again, Incineroar and Rillaboom or non-AV Urshifu on a predicted physical attack), which Gliscor lacks.
@GravityIsFalling
@GravityIsFalling 23 дня назад
“All my friends are dead” syndrome is the main reason imo Mons that are completely passive with no damage output are just not viable in a fast paced 4v4 format
@Cigmacica
@Cigmacica 22 дня назад
Clefairy:
@Revoltine
@Revoltine 22 дня назад
​@@CigmacicaClefairy enables your cores, which is not passivity. It's supporting that greatly boosts your offenses as it can provide survivability through Friend Guard, Follow Me, Life Dew, and Heal Pulse, boosts attack power through Helping Hand, and providing positional advantage using Thunder Wave, Sing, Sweet Kiss, Charm, Encore, Gravity, and Healing Wish. Don't confuse these moves for stalling as the playstyle only ever thrived in one format from what I can remember, and that was when the Pokemon allowed in the format couldn't attain the necessary firepower to beat a fully setup Celesteela even in some 1v2 situation.
@awoooga5857
@awoooga5857 22 дня назад
​@@Cigmacicastalling and supporting are not the same.
@skeetermania3202
@skeetermania3202 20 дней назад
@@RevoltineDefine passivity.
@mr.jitterspam9552
@mr.jitterspam9552 23 дня назад
2:24 Should be: Bleakwind Storm for Snow (theyre icy winds) Sandsear for Sand Wildbolt for Rain Springtide for Sun
@AriehAnkri
@AriehAnkri 22 дня назад
That's exactly my thought
@attilaszanto2275
@attilaszanto2275 23 дня назад
Flip Turn has 60 BP, not 70.
@x_bell1142
@x_bell1142 22 дня назад
Oops, my bad. I was thinking of U-Turn
@LucidMoonight
@LucidMoonight 22 дня назад
Damn we need water type Pokemon with technician
@shiruotakuno28
@shiruotakuno28 19 дней назад
​@@LucidMoonight New starter idea dropped
@LucidMoonight
@LucidMoonight 19 дней назад
@@shiruotakuno28 i will make a new romhack if I knew how to
@amadora48
@amadora48 19 дней назад
@@LucidMoonight its not that hard, if you got 3.45 bucks lying around. I can help you with that In case youre being fr
@duvox23
@duvox23 22 дня назад
I love how in early gens, weavile was a solid pokemon in vgc due to fake out, but now sees no usage in vgc and was an A tier Pokemon in ubers before gen 9 added chien pao
@andormak8402
@andormak8402 22 дня назад
I mean in both formats it disappeared because of Chien-Pao
@duvox23
@duvox23 22 дня назад
@@andormak8402It’s still OU in singles, and it wasn’t good in gen 8 doubles. Chien was just the nail in the coffin.
@chargestone96
@chargestone96 22 дня назад
its biggest issue was speed creep, before it was reliably one of the fastest mons and could threaten big damage after fake out, now it can get outsped and dispatched of easily, incineroar getting intimidate mid gen 7 was the final nail in the coffin
@duvox23
@duvox23 22 дня назад
@@chargestone96 Speed creep has never been (and will not be for a long time) an issue. It’s just the fact that incineroar does everything better and they share a type.
@chargestone96
@chargestone96 22 дня назад
@@duvox23 it isnt an issue for most mons but it was for specifically weavile as it being a fast attacker that outsped and threatened big damage on the meta threats was a big part of its strength, the meta threats largely outspeeding it due stuff getting faster did very much make its role not worth it
@turtlenator6249
@turtlenator6249 23 дня назад
With how much I hate dealing with Incinaroar pivoting, I wish Kleavor was a bit more to offer in doubles.
@An_Italian_who_speaks_english
@An_Italian_who_speaks_english 23 дня назад
Honorable mention: Tangrowth and Blissey
@o-poppoo5117
@o-poppoo5117 23 дня назад
And basically every other stall mon except gastrodon
@An_Italian_who_speaks_english
@An_Italian_who_speaks_english 22 дня назад
@@o-poppoo5117 that's why Cynthia owns a Gastrodon
@cornonjacob
@cornonjacob 22 дня назад
​@@o-poppoo5117 Dondozo and ting lu too. Obv there's the whole commander thing with dozo, but I think it's done pretty well without tatsugiri occasionally
@edoardocaccia6226
@edoardocaccia6226 22 дня назад
One more reason some Mons end up being bad: too frail (often compounded with no good doubles options). In Singles, as long as you can outspeed and KO your opponent, you're fine, so Mons like Iron Moth or Valiant only need their key checks weakened to run away with the game, or others like Cinderace and Meowscarada can easily force switches to U turn out on. In Doubles, at worst you run into protects, get fakeoutted or priority spammed and get InstaKO'd, at best trade 1 for 1 by instantly getting revenged by the partner. Glass cannons need some real X-Factors to be worth it, like Chien-Pao also boosting allied phys damage as well, or Kartana (in past gen) having and unreal attack and snowballing with Beast Boost. Like, I remember being surprised how good Naganadel and Blacephalon were in singles given in doubles they just did a decently strong attack then promptly exploded
@blueskyalchemist623
@blueskyalchemist623 22 дня назад
Kartana also has a good physical defense too, so it can afford to stay up for a few physical hits.
@thefrogchamp600
@thefrogchamp600 23 дня назад
ceaseless edge was named after me
@mouthwaterin
@mouthwaterin 22 дня назад
Light that burns the sky was named after me
@archanasoni9666
@archanasoni9666 22 дня назад
Malicious moonsault was named after me
@pantsumonster
@pantsumonster 20 дней назад
Based and redpilled
@thefrogchamp600
@thefrogchamp600 20 дней назад
@@pantsumonster no I’m swag and sillypilled
@Wolfboy607
@Wolfboy607 23 дня назад
Man that giga long comment was so passionate and well written, and I agree with them generally, but as an old school singles player myself, I feel like I see the smogon logo in your videos frequently enough. You are not the person that comment was really for. Hahahahaha. They were mad at someone else's content, and they just remembered while watching your video.
@linkthepringlesman3951
@linkthepringlesman3951 21 день назад
Kinda crazy that Alomomola, a Pokémon seemingly designed for Triple Battles with its massive HP and access to moves like Wide Guard and Heal Pulse, is so much better in singles than doubles.
@christopherballero866
@christopherballero866 23 дня назад
Good video also Magnezone does well in singles but not doubles
@chargestone96
@chargestone96 22 дня назад
its had its time albeit sparse, these all have always been totally not worth it while magnezone is workable at the very least if you really want to
@somanyraquazas3167
@somanyraquazas3167 20 дней назад
I'm not sure I'd say that switching is less common in doubles, especially given that at some point in almost every ruleset the 'meta' strategy inevitably becomes to have a solid defensive core and to cycle intimidate - It would be better to say that VGC games are much faster-paced, meaning that entry hazards will sit on the field for less turns, making them less worthwhile
@sunnygames4003
@sunnygames4003 21 день назад
Good. Can we see you play doubles with a team of Enamorus incarnate, gliscor, Hisuian Samurott, skarmory, Alomomola and Tornadus therian?
@x_bell1142
@x_bell1142 20 дней назад
Now that’s an idea
@GradientGrayy
@GradientGrayy 22 дня назад
nice relaxing video :)
@BJGvideos
@BJGvideos 21 день назад
It's odd to me that the default format for tournaments is one tbat the games themselves never really use other than special occasions (outside Orre).
@mehdidelteil3672
@mehdidelteil3672 22 дня назад
VGC feels like a parallel alternative world ...
@user-dt7ed2sm7r
@user-dt7ed2sm7r 21 день назад
Dude contrary enamorus sets are so niche, main set is scarf or cm (with cute charm obviously)
@IronicHavoc
@IronicHavoc 23 дня назад
I thought both Landorus forms were legal in singles but apparently only Lando-T is. Still I think Poison heal would give Gliscor a niche even if Landorus Incarnate was legal?
@axlr8deathpls294
@axlr8deathpls294 23 дня назад
Landorus incarnate was banned because it was completely overpowered. Nasty plot + sheer force life orb is disgusting, 2HKOs blissey and forces Every team to run specific pokemon like weavile or slapping tera ice on a scarfer except landorus-I can also terastallize and beat you anyways and by the time you can beat landorus-I half your team is dead.
@nathanwaterser8218
@nathanwaterser8218 23 дня назад
@@axlr8deathpls294 It was OP in every gen it's been in It's the most busted wall breaker you could ask for In every gen it's been, it's banned from OU
@screwtokaiba
@screwtokaiba 20 дней назад
People lowkey overrated Landorus T altho its partially a post gen clarity. Landorus T was never as dominant as people think in gen 5(its great but not like top 1) and in gen 6 Landorus currently falls to the point its not even top 30. Gliscor is consistently a top rate Pokemon in every gen its in even on gens where Lando T is better. SM and SS Lando is the only gen where it started as top 2 and stays
@SoftwareLearningify
@SoftwareLearningify 20 дней назад
5:26 “If you wanna use body press, use archaludon and zamazenta” *sad orthworm noises*
@liamm1945
@liamm1945 23 дня назад
Zamazent is OU this gen
@doginpillows20
@doginpillows20 23 дня назад
True, however, crowned is Ubers but perfectly legal if hero form is in VGC, and because of the higher defense, crowned is a better body press spammer (at least in a vacuum)
@arnaul_de_lapras5853
@arnaul_de_lapras5853 22 дня назад
it's crazy the power creep this gen
@M3rtyville
@M3rtyville 20 дней назад
the opposite would be nice to see too. Or comparing banned Pokemon between the two, tho VGC bans usually 'unobtainables' and high base state legendaries.
@screwtokaiba
@screwtokaiba 20 дней назад
Snorlax being a bannable threat during gen 7 in smog doubles, reflected with it getting a worlds win iirc and being a meta threat in vgc when it long past its time in singles was the main one
@Wesker1984
@Wesker1984 18 дней назад
Was wondering if my favourite Magearna was here, then remembered she's actually a good Pokémon in Singles that's even better in Doubles lol.
@-en_x3
@-en_x3 23 дня назад
I'd love to see pokemon that are good in doubles but bad in singles
@doginpillows20
@doginpillows20 23 дня назад
Most of them are probably support Pokémon like incineroar or amoongus because at the end of the day, a heavy hitter is a heavy hitter
@nicolasromani3523
@nicolasromani3523 23 дня назад
​@@doginpillows20Amoonguss is pretty good in singles tbh. It used to be able to use spore before it's ban. Regenerator is very powerful, it can reset stat changes with clear smog and it also absorbs toxic spikes.
@doginpillows20
@doginpillows20 23 дня назад
@nicolasromani3523 Yeah, I realized that after commenting that regenerator is just silly in singles, though I still think most of them would be more support focused mons
@carucath97
@carucath97 23 дня назад
Indeedee-Female and Farigiraf are both ZU but used a lot in VGC
@x_bell1142
@x_bell1142 22 дня назад
Already working on it!
@RuralSquirrelJuror
@RuralSquirrelJuror 23 дня назад
Please do the reverse video too!
@x_bell1142
@x_bell1142 22 дня назад
You got it
@tlb31m
@tlb31m 20 дней назад
I play VGC because there’s money in it and there’s a ban list but it’s more like a seasonal thing the OU format doesn’t promote heathy game play and VGC kinda proves that.
@salvatore_slate
@salvatore_slate 22 дня назад
LOWER THAN SNOM!!!!
@salvatore_slate
@salvatore_slate 22 дня назад
i love snom
@GongLoud
@GongLoud 22 дня назад
i love snom too
@jonathanhay3212
@jonathanhay3212 23 дня назад
Skarmory does have healing, it gets roost via egg move.
@208christian
@208christian 23 дня назад
I think he is talking about party healing. Not self healing
@chargestone96
@chargestone96 22 дня назад
self healing is rarely worth it if you cant be bulky enough in a 1v2 endgame like p2, skarmory can effectively be ignored by the opponent while they kill the rest of the team
@skeetermania3202
@skeetermania3202 20 дней назад
@@208christianCould’ve clarified this more.
@Ze_Carrot
@Ze_Carrot 23 дня назад
Most only tanks just fuckin suck in doubles because they dont do shit
@archanasoni9666
@archanasoni9666 22 дня назад
Zamazenta won regionals and we all know how bulky that is. Ting-lu was a menace in reg C due to being so bulky that it could spam fissure and get KOs as part of a reliable strategy, incineroar and rillaboom are just insanely good bulky slow mons. Terapagos and calyrex-Ice, two of the top bulkiest mons in the game have both won reg G tournaments. Heck, wo-chien placed in like top 8 or top 16 recently in a tournament so it's not that bulky mons are not good in vgc
@blueskyalchemist623
@blueskyalchemist623 22 дня назад
@@archanasoni9666Zamazenta is a sweeper disguised as a tank, my mate.
@archanasoni9666
@archanasoni9666 22 дня назад
@@blueskyalchemist623 op didn't say anything about tank being a strict tank yk
@blueskyalchemist623
@blueskyalchemist623 22 дня назад
@@archanasoni9666 well, OP mentions “only tanks”, aka strict tanks. The video also demonstrates strict tanks.
@Ze_Carrot
@Ze_Carrot 22 дня назад
@@archanasoni9666 yes they are bulkies who do shit but a fuckin blissey just sits there offense is most times way better than just sticking around wich is better in singles
@LtMuggs
@LtMuggs 20 дней назад
You should do the opposite. Great pokemon in doubles thats not good in singles. Incineroar comes to mind first
@justintime2461
@justintime2461 21 день назад
Pokemon that are great in Singles but are terrible in Doubles. I bet the first Pokemon that came to a lot of people's minds was Skarmory.
@AriehAnkri
@AriehAnkri 22 дня назад
For pokemon that are good in vgc and bad in singles: Incineroar, tornadus incarnate, indeedee female
@raymondhahn739
@raymondhahn739 23 дня назад
I hate that samurott always gets shafted
@papermachete8071
@papermachete8071 22 дня назад
Body press doesnt use attack for its dmg. It uses the Pokémon's physical defense
@funnycat9962
@funnycat9962 22 дня назад
That’s why he said “outside of body press”
@papermachete8071
@papermachete8071 22 дня назад
@@funnycat9962 ah. Didn't notice. Must've misheard
@nathanieljones8043
@nathanieljones8043 22 дня назад
Until the single player campaign is played in doubles. Singles will be the main gamemode what balance should be centered around.
@SpectorLKM
@SpectorLKM 20 дней назад
Doubles is how the game is balanced as it is the main competitive format. The game wouldn’t be balanced if there wasn’t a competitive scene as it is a single player game. It should be balanced around doubles as it is the main format the game is played in official tournaments. I would like singles balances but Smogon self-balances with bans and tiers
@GravityIsFalling
@GravityIsFalling 13 дней назад
No it shouldn’t lol Single player does not need any balancing your facing NPCs afterall
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