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@hawkwindarcher
@hawkwindarcher 3 года назад
That is a butcher´s tool Sharpe, not a sword for gentleman. I am not a gentleman.
@Lo-tf6qt
@Lo-tf6qt 3 года назад
Now that's soldiering
@Eoraptor1
@Eoraptor1 3 года назад
I thought that was Mr. Sharpe's sword. Thank you for confirming. JAMES
@robertgaddy5775
@robertgaddy5775 3 года назад
Sharpe used a Pattern 1796 Heavy Cavalry Sword. The Pattern 1788 is the direct predecessor.
@hyliarmetancanira
@hyliarmetancanira 2 года назад
Me niether... i'll tak it
@RichardPhillips1066
@RichardPhillips1066 2 года назад
"you're a silk stocking full of shit "
@MonkeyJedi99
@MonkeyJedi99 3 года назад
Ambidextrous, long straight blade, strong for defense, built for thrusting as well as slashing, allows full extension? Yeah, retiring generals and stuffed-shirt cabinet ministers would HAVE to meddle with that.
@feliscorax
@feliscorax 3 года назад
It’s the Lord Flashheart of swords. As to the other point, let’s just be thankful that most civil servants are drawn from the upper classes, hence, are much too dim to be a threat.
@liamhogan4369
@liamhogan4369 3 года назад
A Buffoon with 10,000 artillery pieces is still a considerable threat. Wether to his or forces or the enemy, well …
@midshipman8654
@midshipman8654 2 года назад
tbf, if assume most in the fields types just wouldnt want to lug about a big hilt!
@chroma6947
@chroma6947 2 года назад
@@midshipman8654 the heavy cavalry sword is just as annoying to wear but has no side protection at all. I would rather have a modified basket hilt and a longer blade personally and it looks nicer. This wasnt for everyone it was for heavy cavalry
@nobbynoris
@nobbynoris Год назад
Yep, that sounds like the perfect woman alright.
@danielwalker8142
@danielwalker8142 3 года назад
i think it being heavy and difficult to wear but with those advantages for combat are along the lines of a quote from india "recoil is insignificent when ther is a tiger on the head of your elephant"
@RorikH
@RorikH 3 года назад
They really have a saying for everything.
@Justice-ian
@Justice-ian 3 года назад
I'm not criticizing the sword, but I've heard (and disagreed with) similar sayings about recoil. Another saying holds "People don't so much rise to the occasion, as sink to the level of their training." One who decides to fire under stress may not consciously perceive recoil, but (at best) will rote-execute motions developed at the range. Since extensive practice (especially with brutal, expensive large-game ammo) is rare, for most people those habits will include flinching.
@lillyanneserrelio2187
@lillyanneserrelio2187 3 года назад
@@RorikH in India they say a man is considered Wise when he has a saying for everything 😁
@julesthurongi1223
@julesthurongi1223 2 года назад
Well said. When the adrenaline hits, our petty likes and dislikes go bye bye.
@johnfroehling5653
@johnfroehling5653 2 года назад
Howda pistols are no joke.
@earthknight60
@earthknight60 3 года назад
For anyone else who has been frustrated trying to figure out just exactly what the name of the company making the HEMA sword recreations he occasionally mentions, as in this video, it's "Kvetun".
@MS-wd3ls
@MS-wd3ls 3 года назад
Kvetun made the one in the video?
@jamieg2427
@jamieg2427 3 года назад
link? i couldn't find it on their website.
@hunterspence3465
@hunterspence3465 Год назад
No link?
@tobytoxd
@tobytoxd 3 месяца назад
Pretty sure this statement about Kvetun and this exact sword here is false.
@earthknight60
@earthknight60 3 месяца назад
@@tobytoxd Its the name he keeps using. He kinda mumbles it, so it's difficult to make out clearly. He could be wrong about the maker though, he has made mistakes like that in the past.
@RelativelyBest
@RelativelyBest 3 года назад
Definitely one of my favorite hilt designs. It's like they took everything I don't really like about a baskethilt and fixed it.
@davidcritchley8424
@davidcritchley8424 3 года назад
The majority of Le Marchant’s criticism concerning both the 88 patterns was training, stories of troopers cutting off the ears of their mounts or splitting their own feet through ineptitude not the patterns themselves, although I think he also felt them too long for the melee. It’s no accident that the 96 LC came with a manual. Interestingly he may also have thought the 88 HC too labour intensive too given the 96LC was co designed by Osborn to be constructed simply and of few parts as possible for mass manufacture.
@BelleDividends
@BelleDividends 3 года назад
Just like heavy plate armor didn't disappear because it somehow became ineffective, but because with armies growing larger and larger it became economically untenable to supply every soldier with it.
@maxvarjagen9810
@maxvarjagen9810 3 года назад
It looks too expensive for a trooper's sword, too bulky for an officer's sword, and too English for a highlander.
@jessesmith7553
@jessesmith7553 2 года назад
I wonder how much more expensive it was compared to the 1796 those extra bars I wouldn't think would require huge amount of extra work like some of the cut out bowl guards with intricate patterns but they would add a bit of extra production time. The blade also looks like it would take more workmanship with the double fuller design. I'd like to see a slightly shorter version that was maybe just a bit pointy-er, since not everyone has the arms for a 38 inch broadsword, with a checkered backstrap for thrusting.
@KalonOrdona2
@KalonOrdona2 3 года назад
It's a thing of beauty, that is! Backedge for blocking, into twoedge for thrusting, length for slicing, optimized hilt for protection and movement, symmetrical and beautiful!? Somebody found the minmaxing motherlode!
@tsamoka6496
@tsamoka6496 3 года назад
Agreed! Speaking of minmaxing, I wonder what the TRPG stats for a sword like this would be? =^x^=
@KalonOrdona2
@KalonOrdona2 3 года назад
@@tsamoka6496 Martial weapon 1d10 slashing/piercing, grants bonus to parry and to defense against attacks to the sword-hand, can't be used with two hands but can count as a finesse weapon with higher proficiency? :D
@tsamoka6496
@tsamoka6496 3 года назад
@@KalonOrdona2 Nice! I bet it'd be good as a favored weapon for certain classes too, like swashbuckler or dueler. A small competency bonus/lower penalty for classes/characters who use mounts would not be out of the question, either. I can also see a masterwork version of it having an extra crit-threat range and possibly a bonus to ignoring a small amount of damage reduction. =^x^=
@thefracturedbutwhole5475
@thefracturedbutwhole5475 3 года назад
@@KalonOrdona2 most, actually I think all, one handed weapons don't go over 1D8 (in 5E anyway) but 5E weapons are weird, a Rapier does 1D8 piercing and wielding a spear 2 handed does 1D8 piercing also (it should do more), you could make it a "magic item" and upgrade it/add stats, it screams Rogue Swashbuckler or College of Blades Bard in my mind.
@jeffprice6421
@jeffprice6421 3 года назад
Cavalry was all about the fashion... Like old joke, what is the purpose of the Cavalry? "To bring tone to what would otherwise be merely a an ugly brawl..."
@ukaszzyka6279
@ukaszzyka6279 3 года назад
That was about the artillery :D
@_malprivate2543
@_malprivate2543 3 года назад
The guard looks like a ribcage so now I just want a goth version witha skull-shaped pommel...
@warpartyattheoutpost4987
@warpartyattheoutpost4987 3 года назад
Gory yet gorgeous.
@duelist1954
@duelist1954 3 года назад
I’m a fan of basket-hilted back swords, and I just fell in love with that sword…now I have to find one!
@HistoricalWeapons
@HistoricalWeapons 3 года назад
katana fanboys are mad lol
@KickyFut
@KickyFut 3 года назад
Boy are they on the wrong channel!😅
@kennantjessavi7648
@kennantjessavi7648 3 года назад
Swiss saber is the best
@kennantjessavi7648
@kennantjessavi7648 3 года назад
katana wasn't even the best japanese sword, tachi was. katana is just more convenient version of tachi
@outsideiskrrtinsideihurt699
@outsideiskrrtinsideihurt699 3 года назад
@@kennantjessavi7648 ikr tachi beats the katana in nearly all aspects besides convenience and quick-draw techniques. Kinda sad people don’t know about them
@kennantjessavi7648
@kennantjessavi7648 3 года назад
@@outsideiskrrtinsideihurt699 Yeah especially with Longsword vs katana. It's comparison is rapier vs smallsword. of course the longer one is gonna win.
@HoJu1989
@HoJu1989 3 года назад
18th century Spanish cavalry swords had a very antiquated looking almost cup-hilt (a little more stylized towards the knucklebow, halfway between a fully round cup and a bowl hilt, called "barquilla" or little boat in Spanish) with two long-ish quilons (not rapier long but still long). They used it up to and into the Napoleonic Wars. Out of fashion but rather protective.
@HoJu1989
@HoJu1989 3 года назад
​@@F1ghteR41 Now that I look at it, I think I got a little ahead of myself there, speaking from memory. Although I've seen a fair number of cavalry swords with that "barquilla" guard (some deeper and closer to a cup and some more shalow), the most common (the first being the M1728 pattern) was a guard with two large domed shells (which made it functionally very similar to a cup-hilt too). You can see some examples in this thread www.swordforum.com/vb4/showthread.php?88406-Spanish-cavalry-swords-(18th-century) And this is the one I had in mind at first www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?p=130825&posted=1
@JimmySailor
@JimmySailor 3 года назад
Captain Jack Aubrey, from the Patrick Obrien novels uses a straight edged heavy cavalry sword during his many boarding actions. Is this the one the author was referring to?
@brennomarani4307
@brennomarani4307 3 года назад
He also uses a chair, when recoveing from a wound at the hospital, if I recall it correctly.
@JohnSmith-fd7dl
@JohnSmith-fd7dl 3 года назад
@@brennomarani4307 😂😂
@TheSteadfastOne
@TheSteadfastOne 2 года назад
Same with Bernard Cornwell’s Richard Sharpe.
@tedarcher9120
@tedarcher9120 2 года назад
Probably 1796 pattern though
@lukewilliams8548
@lukewilliams8548 3 года назад
This sword feels like it stands out as special. It also can fit nicely what we like about swords in the modern day, so in that sense it could be the perfect sword for some people. I'd say there are probably many "perfect swords" that hit sweet spots on all their trade offs in ways that go together to perform beautifully at their purpose, and this is one of them. I want to elaborate on that. The ideas are only partially developed, but I hope to inspire some thought. Maybe instead of the saying "the perfect sword" we should say "a perfect sword". Maybe instead of trying to find "the best sword" we should try to come up with a list of "perfect swords". Not types of swords like saber or long sword, but specific models, like the 1887 Austrian heavy calvary sword (or whatever this one was) or the Albion Principe (not to say that is a perfect sword, but just what came to mind as a modern example). There can be multiple sweet spots when making a particular trade off, which one is best depends on what goes best with the other trade offs chosen and the intended application. For example, a wider blade is beneficial for cutting but on the sword in the video it would be too heavy. Maybe a sword is good as its type, for example "a perfect rapier". Maybe a sword is good for particular uses/settings. A basket hilted broadsword is good at giving full hand protection at the cost of hand movement, but it's supposed to do that, that's just it's type and it worked well in that particular application. However the sword in the video had a basket hilt that sacrificed a little bit a protection to allow full hand movement, and that seems overall better somehow. I think what's special about this sword is our preferences in the modern day. We have access to just about all the types of swords in history and they're used for recreational purposes, not actual combat with the intent to harm. I most often see one on one unarmored combat, no shields, try to get a proper strike to your opponent. I think that's what a rapier is for, but I guess we see other swords in use and all the ways to cut and it looks more exciting and we want to do that too. There are things I've noticed in modern sword use and preference that match up with all the design details of the sword in the video, as if the sword was designed for our use in the modern day. I think it resonates with us in that way and that is why it feels special, and could for us be the perfect sword.
@rshaart4810
@rshaart4810 3 года назад
I think a lot of the love for the 1796 comes from the Sharpe series, I would prefer a sword shaped like the 1788 as well, it seems like a good balance of pros and cons
@Rob_Fordd
@Rob_Fordd 3 года назад
Any word on where to get the closest thing to a decent replica?
@jamieg2427
@jamieg2427 3 года назад
someone in the comments said this sword was made by kvetun. edit: i went to the kvetun site, but couldn't find it.
@cadiastands3308
@cadiastands3308 3 года назад
This may not be a popular opinion on this channel, but I think determining if a weapon is the best sword or not is going to depend heavily on context.
@Yarblocosifilitico
@Yarblocosifilitico 3 года назад
that is outrageous good sir, I challenge you to a duel with throwing pommels
@spiffyracc
@spiffyracc 3 года назад
Tell me a context where the spadroon isn't the best option. I'm waiting...
@temujin5743
@temujin5743 3 года назад
No not heavily, but only a little bit, this sword one of the best designes I know, and I dont see in which context it would be bad
@secondaryfront
@secondaryfront 3 года назад
@@temujin5743 The context here is "being a cavalry sword and doing a thing that cavalry sword must do". Did you try to use it on horseback? Tested it resistance to breaking and to stucking in oponent's body? How handy is this weapon when you are trying switch the pistols to this one? How exousting for weapon and user is prolonged skirmishing? Is this sword cheap and easy in conservation and if not - do cheaper swords could do intended job as good as this one? How about handling it in full galope? There is a wide areas where other designs could outmatch it in intended work and you wont know before testing it.
@richardschuerger3214
@richardschuerger3214 3 года назад
I see what you did there
@hansvonmannschaft9062
@hansvonmannschaft9062 2 года назад
The '96 palash is a real mistery. Specially when considering it came to replace *this* sword shown here. The matter shows that higher-ups being dislodged from the reality of the front lines, well, is definitely not something exclusive to these days' military gear decisions. Great video!
@nicolaiveliki1409
@nicolaiveliki1409 3 года назад
As a person taller than 190cm, the 38 inch blade is a blessing
@konstantin.v
@konstantin.v 3 года назад
On a horse! 😊
@ovk-ih1zp
@ovk-ih1zp 3 года назад
on horseback you would probably need an even longer blade.
@gmikecstein
@gmikecstein 3 года назад
I think anyone over 6 feet/180cm would appreciate this. People were shorter then.
@nicolaiveliki1409
@nicolaiveliki1409 3 года назад
@@gmikecstein there were 6 footers back then, too, just not as commonly as now. The largest sword that was ever wielded in battle to my knowledge was 7' long, and belonged to a Frisian pirate in the beginning of the 16th century
@DH-xw6jp
@DH-xw6jp Год назад
At roughly 6ft 4in (for my fellow Americans) your point reach with this thing would be terrifying.
@JariB.
@JariB. 3 года назад
Matt! This is nothing less than a simplified Schiavona. The hilt may look different- but as you can imagine neither gets in the way. The sole drawback I've found with my Schiavona however, is the weight and conparatively short blade (the total length only being 102cm, usable blade 82-84cm). Though, there are later (19th century) Mexican examples with a narrower blade, more towards the one you've got here. And those, I'd imagine, are the neigh-on-perfect balance. Though you'd have to compare them personally if you'd want to make any definite statement for your personal preference.
@Overlord2309
@Overlord2309 3 года назад
I was going to say, it reminds me of my Schiavona. I would love to see what he has to say about the differences. The weight is cumbersome, but Schiavonas were some of the most preferred swords in 16-17th southern European mercenaries.
@MS-wd3ls
@MS-wd3ls 3 года назад
Do you have links to any examples of these Mexican Schiavonas?
@jesuizanmich
@jesuizanmich 3 года назад
I think that's what he's saying. He said it's like a broadsword, but with less bars on the hilt. Since Schiavonas are broadswords, I think it's fair to say he's including them. (In the Wikipedia page for basket-hilted swords you can see the 1788 Heavy Cavalry Sword next to a Schiavona for comparison. They are very similar things.)
@marcomaiano
@marcomaiano 2 года назад
Exactly what I was thinking!
@rickanderson8683
@rickanderson8683 3 года назад
I want one! Anyone selling replicas? Actually, I'd like that hilt on a Scottish broadsword, really.
@ImperialistRunningDo
@ImperialistRunningDo 3 года назад
If I owned a foundry (in India, perhaps), I would crank these out like sausages.
@raymaxwell2940
@raymaxwell2940 3 года назад
Try worldwide arms ltd well known for copies many starting collecting get caught out with these copies although they do sell some genuine blades
@jamieg2427
@jamieg2427 3 года назад
someone in the comments said this sword was made by kvetun. edit: i went to the kvetun site, but couldn't find it.
@b-beale1931
@b-beale1931 2 года назад
@@jamieg2427 the saber with the symettrical guard he showed was a kvetun saber
@phiengley
@phiengley 3 года назад
I wasn't convinced until you dispensed with the sheath, damn that's an interesting (and cool) blade
@99IronDuke
@99IronDuke 3 года назад
According to the Royal Armouries Website "The Pattern 1796 Heavy Cavalry sword was adopted due to the failings of its predecessor, the 1788 pattern sword. This first sword was found by a Board of Cavalry General Officers “from long and repeated experience”, to be “unmanageable, owing to the length of the blade and the weight of the hilt”." Although they point out the 1796 had to be ground down to make it suitable for thrusting, as you said.
@PJDAltamirus0425
@PJDAltamirus0425 3 года назад
@@nathanwaight ... I can see that, but heavy calvarymen were on average taller and stronger. They were referred to as big men on big horses.
@peterwall8191
@peterwall8191 3 года назад
*99IronDuke* I can see their point. It would be unwieldy form the saddle. The amount of training time needed, would have been better used training with pistols, or other firearms. That said ,it was a bloody crime. That sword offers so many advantages, the disadvantages become moot.
@michaelsimmons2483
@michaelsimmons2483 3 года назад
Matt might love it but he's 6'1", ~200 lb, has practiced backsword for 2 decades and would generally be a massive outlier among the original user base.
@MrBottlecapBill
@MrBottlecapBill 3 года назад
@@michaelsimmons2483 The heavy cavalry would also be well trained. Either way the arguments don't really hold any water because the blade and hilts could easily be shortened, made lighter and still retain all the benefits of the design. It would be just as "wieldy" as any other sword at that point. The reality is most innovation is always met with dislike. People don't want change and don't want to re-learn, even if it means a long term benefit. The military is not new to missing major opportunities because of the laziness bias.
@ghost-jesus
@ghost-jesus Месяц назад
​​@@MrBottlecapBill ultimately the best design would be to incorporate elements from both the 1788 and the 1796HC The 1796HC is more durable due to an improved blade profile and more wieldy due to a significantly better balanced blade and the guard is so durable that you are able to have it frequently double as a knuckleduster if you are in too close The 1788 has a better tip and the "half-basket" handguard design is excellent, but could use a bit of simplification overall and reinforcement to the knuckle area. Ultimately when handling the two side-by-side, it is obvious why the 1796 was adopted, both have flaws, but lower cost, higher durability, better close-in performance and better slashing performance were considered more important than thrusting performance and hand protection.
@damianslad5633
@damianslad5633 3 года назад
New favourite sword. Hopefully someone makes a replica of this.
@max34671
@max34671 3 года назад
I second this! Matt can you please provide as many statistics as possible, so sword-makers can make accurate replicas?
@gmikecstein
@gmikecstein 3 года назад
I still like the side sword guard a but more from an aesthetic view. I like to have quillons. Still so beautiful and definitely worth replicating
@ianmedford4855
@ianmedford4855 3 года назад
Is that Sharpes sword?
@matthewcoates756
@matthewcoates756 3 года назад
@@ianmedford4855 No, Sharpe uses its replacement, the British 1796 Pattern Heavy Cavalry Sword.
@lukewilliams8548
@lukewilliams8548 3 года назад
I third that. I also want Matt to provide the numbers so that there can be a reproduction.
@paulwitter7553
@paulwitter7553 3 года назад
No wonder Sharpe preferred to make his 1796 Heavy more like the 1988 one! The handguard on the 1788 would be very difficult to modify for infantry use, though, I think.
@rab7034
@rab7034 Год назад
Uh....."1988"?
@nexusthenormie5578
@nexusthenormie5578 Год назад
​@@rab7034 prolly a typo that he missed lol
@technodemic6258
@technodemic6258 3 года назад
I bow to your expertise. Your postulation works for me.
@b.h.abbott-motley2427
@b.h.abbott-motley2427 3 года назад
This sword strikes me as quite similar to George Silver's short sword. Silver specified a 37-40in blade suitable for both cut & thrust with a basket hilt that allows holding it in something like a sabre grip. He recommend this thumb-up grip for his variable fight, especially when facing the long rapier. You can find a number of 16th-century British basket hilts with long, narrow blades that seem to match Silver's description. I'm pleased to see this basic weapon design continued into the 18th century.
@btrenninger1
@btrenninger1 3 года назад
Pretty sure this is John Carter's sword on Barsoom.
@VideoMask93
@VideoMask93 3 года назад
I remember reading someone who interpreted the Barsoomian long sword as more like a rapier, but I think this would fit pretty well! Depends on how good it is in the thrust.
@ZeroSalvator
@ZeroSalvator 3 года назад
What a wonderful weapon Matt! There's just one terrible thing about this though, NOW I want one so badly. A original or replica would be wonderful. My only thought about the weight is that unless a sword is absurdly heavy knowing how centrifugal force works on a pendulum to generate a good amount of inertia as you demonstrated can more than make up for the weight. "Let the weight do the work."
@flavioc.bannwart1216
@flavioc.bannwart1216 8 месяцев назад
Thank you for your detailed explanation.
@jlthearcher
@jlthearcher 3 года назад
What does it weigh? Was it usually worn on a belt or carried on the saddle?
@urseliusurgel4365
@urseliusurgel4365 3 года назад
Worn on a frog or slings from a sword-belt.
@Riceball01
@Riceball01 3 года назад
@@urseliusurgel4365 That's for the enlisted, officers likely would have worn it hung from straps attached to their sword belts.
@urseliusurgel4365
@urseliusurgel4365 3 года назад
@@Riceball01 That's what 'slings' are - straps between a sword belt and loose scabbard rings.
@Bogey1022
@Bogey1022 3 года назад
@@Riceball01 this isn't an officer's sword. It's a troop
@Riceball01
@Riceball01 3 года назад
@@Bogey1022 That's basically what I said. It's clearly a trooper's sword because of the lack of a ring, or rings, on the scabbard.
@hawkknight4223
@hawkknight4223 2 года назад
That is a beautiful blade. And has a great deal of functionality in it without sacrificing mobility.
@saadabbas8976
@saadabbas8976 3 года назад
It’s AK 47 of the swords. ⚔️
@zoukatron
@zoukatron 3 года назад
I saw the guard, I thought, "Yep, that is a pretty damn well designed guard." I saw the blade come out... my jaw dropped. To be fair, it is bigger than what my personal tastes run to, but DAMN!!!
@michaelsmith8028
@michaelsmith8028 3 года назад
The video is titled the best sword ever yet I see no spadroon
@Th0ughtf0rce
@Th0ughtf0rce 3 года назад
One could argue it’s just a whopping big spadroon.
@scholagladiatoria
@scholagladiatoria 3 года назад
This is like the mothership of spadroons, from which tiny spadroons drop out to launch invasion fleets on weakly defended planets.
@wayneparker9331
@wayneparker9331 3 года назад
@@scholagladiatoria 😂😂😂👍
@bernatpanxeta
@bernatpanxeta 6 месяцев назад
I have a french cavalry saber from the first half of XIX century. This saber is very interesting!
@electrominded8372
@electrominded8372 2 года назад
You should do an in-depth analysis and showcase of a British Light Cavalry 1788 model, I was so close to buying one once...
@alt5494
@alt5494 2 года назад
Hand protection is a overvalued feature. On a battlefield let alone in a mounted charge engagement will be short and incredibly brutal. There is simply not space for rapid advance and retreat, and any delay is likely to be fatal. A simpler guard & grip long enough to use both hands is more useful. Especially since your more likely to be engaged against pike, bayonets, and axes than sword.
@victorverola6900
@victorverola6900 3 года назад
i LOVE to see how enthusiastic Matt is about this sword. Relatable.
@Sarge80
@Sarge80 3 года назад
I think it comes down to personal preference as too what sword is the best.
@GaveMeGrace1
@GaveMeGrace1 2 года назад
Beautiful sword and I’d b proud to carry one of I rode with heavy cavalry.
@fohat50
@fohat50 3 года назад
nice one schola G, that is a real big one
@joel466
@joel466 3 года назад
That ribcage shaped guard reminds me of the 1650s 'mortuary sword'.
@senatuspopulusqueromanus3011
@senatuspopulusqueromanus3011 3 года назад
It’s definitely a beautiful sword, and I don’t understand why they would want to change it
@kennantjessavi7648
@kennantjessavi7648 3 года назад
Dumb politicians probably
@chrisroberts1440
@chrisroberts1440 3 года назад
The new one was cheaper to produce?
@senatuspopulusqueromanus3011
@senatuspopulusqueromanus3011 3 года назад
@@chrisroberts1440 I wonder how many men have died throughout history due to inferior tools they were “cheaper to produce”…
@chrisroberts1440
@chrisroberts1440 3 года назад
@@senatuspopulusqueromanus3011 then again how many have survived because the opposite side had cheap equipment?
@ericamborsky3230
@ericamborsky3230 3 года назад
@@senatuspopulusqueromanus3011 Then again, I wonder how many men were saved because they could be issued with a sword that they otherwise would not be because of the cost. Or were saved because the army did not cheap out on their carbines or saddles in order to issue a better sword.
@robertlehnert4148
@robertlehnert4148 3 года назад
Yes, it definitely looks a ver. 2.0 of the Mortuary swords, and I always liked the lines of those, if not the typical balance and handling
@thebullfrog9416
@thebullfrog9416 2 года назад
Only thing I would change I would give it a forward leaning curved hilt as I’m just a fan
@taylor_green_9
@taylor_green_9 3 года назад
It's a lovely sword! I always think "how much more hand protection could you put on it if you replaced all the steel on the hilt with titanium?". This design might be the perfect specimen for that experiment. It's likely that all the gaps in the guard could be closed.
@bacul165
@bacul165 2 года назад
I know nothing about swords. But I immediately thought about Aubrey and Sharpe, and I'm happy people in the comments seem to agree.
@steretsjaaj2368
@steretsjaaj2368 3 года назад
Matt, could you please make one about forwardly recurved swords or weapons? They're fascinating and I wonder about their functions; pros and cons..
@JamesLaserpimpWalsh
@JamesLaserpimpWalsh 3 года назад
Military acquisition often has other considerations to make. Ease of production or basic cheapness being pretty high on that list. I am guessing the newer sword was cheaper to acquire for starters. Cheers for the upload Matt.
@charlesjonestherednecknerd
@charlesjonestherednecknerd 2 года назад
Love sabers. As a colonial (ha) and an Anglophile (one of British/Welsh/Norman descent) I feel an almost genetic connection to these swords. I have a cheap Scottish Basket hilt Broad Sword replica and a cheap Claymore replica as well. I want at the least a good replica of a 18th century British Saber as well. Love your reviews and your older sword drills of practice videos. the circles and wrist ones I just watched them and began practicing them with a cold steel cutlass machete. This is GORGEOUS! I love the blade and the hilt. I concur they were doing progress based on fashion rather than effectiveness. As a former US army MP who went through the changeover from the .45 caliber 1911 to the Berretta M9 9mm in 1990 we felt the same way about that changeover. Funny thing the Marines STILL used the 1911 throughout our own Afghan debacle. Guess they did not like fashion! Oh and I know about the British difficulties in Afghanistan because according to Sir Conan Doyle that is where Dr. Watson served and as a 12 year old I wanted to know about the backstory and learned of Maiwand and that campaign through my research.
@Rob_Fordd
@Rob_Fordd 3 года назад
Fascinating how going into the late 1800s-WWI, cavalry sword returned to more this style blade vs curved, but with a bit narrower blade.
@beowulfshaeffer8444
@beowulfshaeffer8444 3 года назад
Basically the style of cut n thrust I've been looking for for years. Well thanks! Now I know a better search term :)
@peteratkinson9765
@peteratkinson9765 3 года назад
Run these through Todd’s work shop. I like his presentation much more. You swing em about. he makes it much more watchable.
@Xileph410
@Xileph410 3 года назад
What a beautiful saber.
@tommyblackwell3760
@tommyblackwell3760 3 года назад
Honestly, it looks much like what I think George Patton was going for when he designed the US Model 1913 Cavalry Sabre, though the blade's a good bit longer. Thanks for sharing!
@campbellharris8999
@campbellharris8999 3 года назад
Weren't there stories of some horrible quality issues with the 1788 and of folks finding them to be too big? I'm vaguely recalling some stuff about that sort of thing. Of course Le Marchant might have been engaging in some "marketing" to make sure his choice was chosen.
@jessesmith7553
@jessesmith7553 3 года назад
They certainly wouldn't have been very comfortable to wear and for the majority of people a 38 inch blade would probably be just a bit too much to handle nimbly if they had to fight on foot.
@campbellharris8999
@campbellharris8999 3 года назад
@@jessesmith7553 having had a look again at Swords of the British Army by Brian Robson it looks like the sheer size and utter lack of uniformity in construction caused a lot of the 1788HC swords to be horribly imbalanced and have a bad habit of twisting in the grip causing misses or the sword to strike with the flat. One memorable account from.flandwrs suggests that a majority of the sword wounds suffered by the heavy dragoons were accidentally self inflicted. There also seems to have been some brittleness issues. This is not surprising given how vague the "specifications" were and the ongoing arguments between manufacturers at home and abroad about what constituted an acceptable proof test. In the I suspect if you got a really well made one and were both on the larger side and a good swordsman then it was a fantastic piece but if not then it was probably at best a bit of a pain to wear and use and at worst was an outright danger to you.
@tanguito0007
@tanguito0007 3 года назад
beautiful sword wherever you look!
@barretharms655
@barretharms655 2 года назад
That looks like a Cavalry Sabre that I keep except that it has more holes in the basket and it has a weight in the back
@LogainLbue
@LogainLbue 3 года назад
Sharpe would approve this cleaver
@spamhonx56
@spamhonx56 3 года назад
Before i got a good look at the thumbnail i really did wonder if he'd got a 1796 pattern and this was going to be a jokey video.
@mrmarmellow555
@mrmarmellow555 3 года назад
Lol TOTES
@matthewconner5545
@matthewconner5545 3 года назад
Great info, as always, but the highlight of the video for me is Matt describing “a buttload of hand protection.”
@BladeFitAcademy
@BladeFitAcademy 3 года назад
Yeah, My napkin is all wet and I'm still drooling. What a fantastic sword. The only thing I would consider changing is the pommel. I would want mine to easily transition to a grip where the pommel fits into the hollow of my palm. Other than that, what a fantastic heavy calvary sword!
@babyhuey6342
@babyhuey6342 3 года назад
"put your thumb up the back." pretty sure you shouldn't try that unless you KNOW it's going to go over well.
@AhrimanThorn
@AhrimanThorn 3 года назад
Yeah you should always get consent before performing that manoeuvre.
@AnoNYmous-bz2ef
@AnoNYmous-bz2ef Год назад
If they wanted fashion, they should've just rounded the D-guard on that thing and called it a day.
@njarrratt
@njarrratt 3 года назад
You could work on a shopping channel. I'm sold
@vladdrakul7851
@vladdrakul7851 3 года назад
My guess is economics and ease of mass production.The 1788 blade is exquisite but more complex than the later one. It is the old story of two steps forwards one step back. Just as the German Pz I's and II's were inferior to the older late 1920's experimental Liechter and Gross tractors lacking those tanks 37mm actual anti tank guns these I and II models allowed German industrey to retool for later mass production of the later more effective III's and IV's. Or just as the Norweigen Vikings produced so many cheaper one edged swords!
@stevenkobb156
@stevenkobb156 3 года назад
Brilliant sword! The PM's nephew or cousin probably got the contract to "modernize" the pattern.
@mws027
@mws027 3 года назад
That is an amazing sword, the thing I could think is the manufacturing costs. Where the new swords cheaper?
@richardhunn9737
@richardhunn9737 3 года назад
Richard Sharpe carried an heavy cavalry sword. It was a gift from Sgt Harper... That looks a bit high end, though. Maybe, Sharpe's was French. Hmm...
@markfergerson2145
@markfergerson2145 3 года назад
Reminds me of he three tradeoff elements of most weapons systems: offensive capacity, defensive capacity, and speed/mobility/maneuverability. The idea is most often applied to complex military machines like ships, aircraft and tanks bu it applies to swords too. All are compromises, and it seems to me that that sword embodies your personal favorite set of compromises that apply to your favorite style of sword fighting. Not saying you are wrong mind you, just pointing out that the Powers-That-Were probably had a different set of compromises in mind, and admittedly such powers make huge blunders as often as having huge successes when changing their minds, and we only know which is which long after the fact.
@urseliusurgel4365
@urseliusurgel4365 3 года назад
The sword famously derided by John Le Marchant: "A wide, long, and heavy blade, mounted with a cumbrous fantastic handle... The blades were so brittle, that they often were broken by the slightest blow ... they were too heavy for even the strongest men to wield. It frequently turned in the hand, and inflicted a contusion rather than a wound." These were the swords which Le Marchant was informed by the army surgeons (Flanders Campaign 1793-'95) caused wounds to the men wielding them. They have completely round-section grips, which accounts for the lack of edge alignment referred to in the quote.
@alexhunt7810
@alexhunt7810 3 года назад
interesting, the difference of perspective
@chubbymoth5810
@chubbymoth5810 3 года назад
I wonder if it wouldn't have been enough to redesign the grip and the hilt a bit. Not a swordsman myself, but I can imagine a round grip made of wood will easily twist when adding the momentum of a charging horse into the equation. A straight blade also doesn't strike me as all that usefull as you easily pierce your opponent and have the blade stuck in your target. A curve can be rather useful to slice through a target without the blade getting stuck when holding it in front of you and just let the momentum of the horse and wielder do the hard work.
@frankharr9466
@frankharr9466 3 года назад
Ahhhh. That would b e it then.
@frankharr9466
@frankharr9466 3 года назад
@@chubbymoth5810 Perhaps the most evocotive thing to say is in no pattern that I've seen on this channel, has there been a subsequent sword with a round grip. Other channels have spent a lot of time talking about how much they dislike them. A round grip would do it.
@richardschuerger3214
@richardschuerger3214 3 года назад
Remember that these comments are from someone who spent their life practicing epee as prep for duels instead of training for war.
@VacuousCat
@VacuousCat 3 года назад
A random topic to bring up: How would zippers change armour designs?
@charles2703
@charles2703 3 года назад
I imagine it would be easier to put on a gambleson.
@stevenscott2136
@stevenscott2136 3 года назад
Wouldn't zippers have been a nightmare to make with pre-Industrial-Revolution tech? So the armor would be insanely expensive, and probably unreliable due to broken or jammed zippers.
@VacuousCat
@VacuousCat 3 года назад
My idea behind asking this problem is how would we make armour against cold weapons with modern tech.
@MrFarnanonical
@MrFarnanonical 2 года назад
Well, its fugly. That's got to count for something in the modern era of swords, which are really only for looking cool.
@73North265
@73North265 3 года назад
I’ll wager the 1788 was more expensive to make, which usually has implications for the choice of service weapons
@timfoster4979
@timfoster4979 2 года назад
Dude I love how much you love martial arts especially medevil times all are awesome if teaching self decipline
@rasmusn.e.m1064
@rasmusn.e.m1064 3 года назад
As an anatomy buff, I really like how much the guard reminds me of a (better) ribcage. It even has the same compromises built into it allowing for movement below the protected area while covering those areas when they are bent forward. The only difference is that this design can allow for the "sternum" to reach all the way down because there's no spinal cord to worry about, and the wrist is almost perpendicular to the "waist" which makes it so much more mobile at the cost of not supporting as much of the weight of the guard/ribcage.
@alganhar1
@alganhar1 3 года назад
Except the shape of the ribcage is nothing to do with the spinal cord. It is to protect the major organs whilst still allowing the torso to move, and more importantly flex while breathing. Protection of the Spinal Cord is the job of the Spine, or one of them. Poor spine, it wears so many hats! The rib cage ends where it does primarily for motive reasons, we need a good deal of mobility in the region below the Sternum, we need to be able to bend, flex and twist without the interferance of a major protective structure such as the ribcage which would render many such movements difficult at best, and impossible at worst.
@rasmusn.e.m1064
@rasmusn.e.m1064 3 года назад
@@alganhar1 I think you misunderstood what I meant by "no spinal cord to worry about". I was just implying that without a spine, you could extend the sternum and it wouldn't hamper mobility, but because it *is* there, we can't really extend the sternum much longer without severely limiting our potential mobility. Look at turtles as an example. Everything else I agree with :)
@davidm3190
@davidm3190 Год назад
This is the Sword that Bernard Cornwell's character Sharpe carries I think
@maxswenson6605
@maxswenson6605 3 года назад
I think this might also be the sword Richard Sharpe is equipped with in the various Sharpe novels..
@bradfarrahgerwing154
@bradfarrahgerwing154 3 года назад
I have a replica of Cromwells backsword that I really like from Hanwei.......like the looks of this one as well
@andrewcarter5531
@andrewcarter5531 3 года назад
Very clever design. However wouldn't a schiavona hilt also permit free range of movement?
@StanfieldMacCue
@StanfieldMacCue 3 года назад
I actually came down here to the comments specifically to mention that this hilt reminded me of the schiavona's, just with a different blade type.
@Fedorchik1536
@Fedorchik1536 3 года назад
That's pretty cool sword.
@jessesmith7553
@jessesmith7553 3 года назад
I don't think he said context once in this video... This isn't the Matt I know. I need context!!
@davepowers3194
@davepowers3194 3 года назад
I didn’t know I wanted this sword until now…
@Zajuts149
@Zajuts149 3 года назад
How much would economy play a role in sword design, especially cavalry trooper's swords, which the army would have to furnish for every enlisted trooper? The 1796 seems like a simpler design, both in blade and hilt, so the production cost may have been substantially lower.
@cattraknoff
@cattraknoff 3 года назад
It's better to pay for quality. It costs more to lose a battle than you can spend ensuring that you have every edge you need to win it.
@Zajuts149
@Zajuts149 3 года назад
@@cattraknoff The quality may be the same in the parts, but the process of manufacture may be less time-consuming, and thereby lowering the cost.
@cattraknoff
@cattraknoff 3 года назад
@@Zajuts149 It's about more than blade quality, quality of design. It's worth paying more for a more effective weapon design.
@random2829
@random2829 3 года назад
I think the 1796 version is quite unattractive when compared to the 1788 version.
@simonbill1510
@simonbill1510 3 года назад
Well that's disrupted a lot of standard beliefs about British military sword design.
@kak_again5395
@kak_again5395 2 года назад
That might be the most beautiful sword I have ever seen
@user-ii5im7zm2t
@user-ii5im7zm2t 3 года назад
Absolutely, a blade designed for cavalry soldiers who were actually meant to use it as a main weapon from horseback, and not merely for parade maneuvers.
@thezieg
@thezieg 3 года назад
Outstanding review!
@Mikey__R
@Mikey__R 3 года назад
Interesting how the three bars went in an out and then back into fashion. I do wonder if any officers had their old 1788 blade remounted onto a 1796 hilt?
@TenkaiHimura
@TenkaiHimura 3 года назад
First of, thank you for your great content, I'm really enjoying it. As an Idea for a future Video: to which extend would Armor made from Wood (Hardwood, Ironwood,...) be viable, if steel armor would be not available or too expensive for some reason?
@bruceparr1678
@bruceparr1678 3 года назад
Cavalry swords were longer because they could be. On a horse the scabbard hung low enough to draw a long sword. My dad was a Captain in the 1/15th Royal NSW Lancers. I remember some of the short blokes having trouble clearing the scabbard on parades. I am talking about 1960's. BTW I got into a bit of trouble when I went berko on the garden plants with dads sword.
@philparkinson462
@philparkinson462 Год назад
I'd be interested in your opinion of 'attack hilt' configurations.
@deforesttappan6478
@deforesttappan6478 3 года назад
Perfect to the eye of the beholder. Xanathar quite looking at me like that. It also dipands on your idea of perfect.
@waratahdavid696
@waratahdavid696 3 года назад
Love to see "Forged in Fire" guys have a go at this. Will it 'kiilll'?
@danielbryant8084
@danielbryant8084 3 года назад
Absolutely gorgeous. 💯
@julesthurongi1223
@julesthurongi1223 2 года назад
Wonderful vid, and I really like how similar it is to the “Hee-land” broadswords, and yet, makes for a more nimble fighting blade…. Are there any decent modern reproductions???
@interabang
@interabang 3 года назад
They should have kept the new sword just for going out to the Discotech and the 1788 for battle.
@not-a-theist8251
@not-a-theist8251 3 года назад
I'd love an 1845 infantry officer's blade and and 1895 hilt. But this is absolutely a nice hilt
@antivalidisme5669
@antivalidisme5669 3 года назад
Funny you mention it, not only because I utterly agree but also because the only sword I've bought from Matt back in 2017 was exactly this. And yes I love non regulation designs more than anything else, I have a a ton of pre-1882 / African Army/ prototype French swords in particular, but a British 1845 blade on a 1895 hilt, oh boy!
@not-a-theist8251
@not-a-theist8251 3 года назад
@@antivalidisme5669 just dead gorgous. I dont own a sword yet but this would be #1 on my list
@erichusayn
@erichusayn 3 года назад
Is there an article or diagram anywhere that shows the regulation British swords/sabers in chronological order? Would be interesting to see them all an the evolution. And if there isn't, thatnmah be something to put up on your site. I cant be the only person who is curious.
@junichiroyamashita
@junichiroyamashita 3 года назад
I am very curious too,since i have difficulties with the concept of patters at all
@erichusayn
@erichusayn 3 года назад
@@junichiroyamashita right.
@45calibermedic
@45calibermedic 3 года назад
I'd very much like to see this as well.
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