@@egibs3565 true very true. I fall in both of those categories as I shoot well with and I will throw it when it isn't necessary like on a house just because.
I was around when bowlers would complain about reactives when they first came out, these new urethanes aren't the same surfaces as back then when it was about 240-1000, the biggest difference now though is the lane patterns, patterns dictate scoring pace, urethane can be a big help on sport or challenge shots but can be a pain on house shots, either way, balls are made to be used not for displaying on shelves, there will be complainers on either side on various bowling topics, this is why the USBC should honestly keep their mouths shut and stick to what they are actually good at which is having an average database and holding tournaments, let the ball manufacturers get together and create a body that will dictate what ball specifications should fall under. in the end, it's the bowler more than the ball that will decide matches, as well as luck, old timers used to say that it takes 1% skill and 99% luck.
Right. If anything having a few people use urethane will result in the lanes not being bone dry as fast. Urethane is absolutely fine for any situation. See I think the straight ball/plastic bowling teams mess the lanes up more than urethane and reactive combined. All that does is push craters in oil over and over. Much more severe than any urethane carrydown or reactive dry
@@stompingpeak2043 usually there straight bowlers bowl up the middle of the Lane though where there is a ton of oil. Pair that with the plastic balls they are throwing and the lack of revs and they do less damage than urethane or reactive players that hook the ball. The reason people moan about urethane is because it tends to create carry down more than reactive.
For me ... it the matter of the "control factor" . I'm a higher rev then speed bowler. With a torn bicep on my bowling arm. So urethane gives me an ability to still be able to bowl when reactive is just too violent off the spot. As for the question is urethane "good" or "bad" for the game of bowling. Well I believe that only time an history will decide this question. Just as the question of one vs two hands will be determined. All I know now is urethane allows me to go have fun with my friends an others who enjoy bowling.
Indeed URETHANE equipment has it's place in one's bowling bag. We were successful at the recent Jr. GOLD Nationals in Grand Rapids and fell short during match play and couldn't match a URETHANE opponent missing our own PURPLE HAMMER that we didn't select over the IQ Tour Nano for our 5 ball arsenal. Lesson learned and a painful one at that! We will play again and expect the PURPLE beauty to be in play for anything less than 40'!
Is urethane bad for the game?!?!? No, people who complain about it are! “You don’t use your thumb!” “You use two hands!” “You have too many revs!” “You’re a lefty!” “You’re entry angle is too high!” “You have all that power!” “You’re using THAT ball?” What they really are saying is… “If you don’t throw the same equipment the exact same way that I do, than it’s not fair, because I’m a big baby!”
Luckily I havent encountered any two hand hate but it is out there. I laugh at your last point…. If its so easy why don’t all the one handers swap? Two handed requires more athleticism, the timing is a bit weird too.
Running high rev's myself 2ls one hand no thumb! If I can stay in reactive I will but as most people know usbc regulation on oil is the minimum amount and no jurisdiction on sit time for the sitting agent to adhere the league pattern! Even though sitting agents require time to hold the pattern! Some longer then others ! When the oiler gets done and then practice it's counter productive for consistency on averages! I got pushed into urethane because it was the only ball that could hold the line but as you know that was game 1 , then started to have to swing urethane and yup we all know that eventually it will start splitting! And yay lol it's still a superb tool to be used when the pattern calls for it or need that backend control! Great video
It was the complete opposite in the 90's with reactive. Bowlers were wondering if reactive was ruining the game! Nice to see urethane make a come back.
There are some that argue that the uc3 is not a true urethane cover stock hence it's drastic reaction compared to every other urethane ball on the market. It almost has an early reactive cover stock type reaction from the 90s to it. I love the color of it for sure
Don't know whether it is bad for the sport, but it has to be bad for the manufacturer's in the sport... The over reliance on just a handful of urethane balls has to suppress sales at least a bit of other options...
Im not sure this is actually the case. Generally people dont own "just" urethane, its an added tool (that some rely on a lot however) but generally i feel like urethane is mostly a tool added for early on in blocks, or on certain patterns, most still have all the other balls for later or on easier patterns. I feel like urethanes are just an additional thing they have made that they sell, they rarely replace reactives exclusively except for a few players.
Urethane is good of you throw it right. Pink widow is best when using firm wrist and soft hands, letting the ball float off the hand, never hitting up or snapping hard. Purple is more forgiving, but keep speed matched for the amount of oil you are working with. Both will hook the entire lane. I have no experience with storm urethanes, only hammer/brunswick. The bigger the rg and smaller the diff, the more heat you can bring. The lower the rg and bigger the diff, you have to be more careful to make sure the core is moving complimentary to the cover (hence the recommendations for the pink)
Its good I have a High Rev Rate and a 2 hander I have a Hard time controlling Reactive On Sport shots I use Purple Hammer on the Fresh and Go to the UC3 in the Later
I think Urethane is necessary in most everyones bowling bag, especially as bowling centers continue to reduce the amount of oil (volume) on the lanes. However, I personally think it is bad for competitive (PBA). As a bowling fan, and an individual that would like to see the sport grow...I think that the flashy premier bowling balls catch the attention of new bowlers. If you look at other sports, most viewers appear to be attracted to high scores and record beating, flashy gear and apparel, and a little bit of drama and old fashioned competition between players. Anyway, just my humble opinion. Loved the vid!
for reference, the UC3 is urethane but with plasticizers added in. while not being "true" urethane, modern urethane isn't really true urethane anymore due to higher and higher volumes of oil being used.
Which urethane ball is good for me...I'm not high rev bowler...bowl straight and l like the ball to hit on the back end...hope i gave you enough info, thanks...
Urethane probably isn’t the best option for lower rev rate bowlers. If you’re really set on getting a urethane ball, then we’d suggest the Roto Grip Rubicon UC3
Would love to see the Motiv YellowJacket compared to these 4 Urethane bowthing balls. I personally have the Hammer 🔨 Black Widdow Urethane bowling 🎳 ball.
Urethane is great for the sport. It is a tool like every other bowling ball. I think it’s time for you to add a Blue Tank. If you love urethane, you will love the Tank.
Urethane always has a place in todays game, I had it when it debuted and it was a game changer. Urethane of today isnt even close to what was in the past and the todays lane conditions will dictate that more along with the cores and the new technology. Just a thought. I am wondering how much Commission Sean Rash got for his hate rant on urethane. Since he did that the ball sales of every manufacturer. putting out Urethane is thru the roof. Hope they all gave him a good thank you. I have a UC3 and it replaced my purple hammer. just like the read and motion of that ball better.
got a Purple Hammer as a gift (left handed bowler)...People in my league including a pro shop guy tell me I shouldnt use it in my first game due to oil on the lane, pro shop guy says I really shouldnt use it at all....I'm confused....I rolled a 266 and a 640 series with the ball. It feels comfortable and rolls into the pocket late. My other ball is a Dark Code, rolls awesome always dependable....Why are people so against urethane?
Urethane is a nice addition to your arsenal I have 3 Pitch Black, Rubicon UC3 and Zen U, love to push the oil out further on the dry and allow an Asymmetric Ball to hook on the pushed out oil.
Sorry for commenting on a old video, I just recently bought a pitch black, and my flare lines don’t look big, it flares very thin lines and looks like reactive bowling balls flare lines. Is this bad? Im also a one hand no thumb bowler if this helps with answering… please lmk
Is it good or bad for the sport? I think it’s just a point now where people need to learn to adjust THEIR game if someone else is using urathane. Don’t sit and complain about it. Switch balls or adjust where you are throwing / your hand position. Use it as a way for you to improve your game
Hello, I would like some advice, I am learning to two hand bowl. So far for my arsenal is a Pitch black and a Hustle ink. What would you recommend of my next bowling ball on longer oil patterns?
I got a black widow urethane, when I got mine it was very slippery and I can’t hold it, for me it also hooks as soon as it sees any friction on the lane. I probably bowled 5 frames if that with it and I put it in my closet I don’t like it it’s not a good ball for me. If there is any suggestions that anyone has that can make it not slippery for me or hook as soon as it sees any dry spots please let me know I don’t want to have to sell it
The new blue tank isn’t classic urethane I get that but it’s made to be a “urethane” reaction. Also the purple tank is urethane and the uc3 is the most in “urethane” there is.. I do love the video but still think they should be represented
Ive seen half a dozen people at my lanes throw uc3… seems finnicky. Needs the right ball speed and revs matched otherwise it seems meh. If you need to get that far left urethane might not be your best bet. I like to think of the uc3 as behaving like a sym hybrid lol
If you KNOW how to use urethane, its good. The problem is the people who don't know how to use it. Bowling on 36 ft Thursday in my sport shots and the first ball out of the ball is going to be a purple hammer.
@@No_Lucks_Given I know that the boys approached motiv about having the brand featured on the channel, but motiv was not interested in sending them seed balls to be used on RU-vid
@@brandondriley Dang I wonder why. I am actually quite interested in motiv as a brand most of their balls look like they will match up well with me. I can only speculate though since bowling balls are so spendy
I want to join the sport tour for the first time next season. would you recommend me to buy a urethane ball for the sport patterns? (I have too many revs for my speed)
Its very good to have one in your bag for sport patterns. Heavy oil short patterns is where urethane excels. Some people also use them on medium patterns. As for revs you can try to be softer on the hand or keep the same revs but less axis rotation (more forward roll) and it will hook less
@@joerivanderkamp7280 Different balls for different situations. If youre looking for an all arounder probably the purple hammer. Pitch Black has a hard time with larger angles, where the purple hammer has a more pearl coverstock so you can get a bit more midlane on it compared to pitch black. But the pitch black rolls super early and very smooth shape, and there are definitely times you want that. I will say if youre looking for a ball for playing in house shot leagues, stay away from Urethane unless you plan on buying multiple balls. I say this because once the lanes transition, urethane becomes harder and harder to use, and if its the only ball in your bag you will be at a severe disadvantage
I was Gifted an Overseas Black Widow Purple Pearl Urethane... (Purple Hammer Cover with Gas Mask core).. From the Original Run of them a couple years ago prior to the Brunswick Buyout... Likely Not USBC Legal anymore... But damn is this thing a whole nother animal... I'm about 17 boards left with my feet than the OG Purple Hammer... I'm a 180 average bowler in League... Shot 734 with it my first week out... Pumped for League coming this week... This comment adds no substance to this video... I'm just pumped my friend didn't like it and gave it to me
I pretty much grew up with urethane so I have no problem with it. All these whiners that bitc..........err I mean complain about urethane during league crack me up. My problem being a lefty I don't get to "mess up" the shot on the right. If I was right handed I would throw urethane just to hear the whiners whine! Plus urethane doesn't crack like reactive. Enjoyed Jimoo in this vlog granted he's no Barks! LOL Keep'em coming
@@cwagner4704 Yes. Reactive resin balls lose some of their chemicals through evaporation. If you can store your bowling balls in sealed plastic bags to prolong their longevity.
Congratulations on making the team! I can't seem to buy a Pitch Black at my local PSO. They do however have a purple hammer that I might buy when its in stock. This video has me considering a Black widow pink urethane instead as I really like the shape of a pitch black, would you say thats closer to a pitch black than a purple hammer due to it rolling earlier?
I think urethane makes the lanes too unplayable. Too many people use urethane, because they see pros use them consistently, even though they may not know what happens at the back of pattern or why they want to use it in the first place. It defines the game to have righ revs, more miss room and less on accuracy and good ball reaction through the lanes and pins.
Urethane is wonderful for the sport as it brings back the skill set we had in the golden era of bowling before resin balls changed the face of the game.
So I currently have a Widow Ghost and a Venom Shock. On one league it's a house shot and the other is a sport shot league. The Ghost just snaps way too hard on both patterns to be used and the Venom is so snappy I have to throw it pretty much from board one all the way out to the gutter just to have a chance at striking the pocket. Otherwise it snaps early and either misses the head pin entirely or Brooklyns. I was looking at urethane, or thinking about it rather, so I can move more to the middle. I like how straight the Pitch Black plays but the Purple Hammer looks good too.
I'm old enough when urethane first came out and replaced plastic. The Black Angle, the Black Hammer and, especially, the Black U-Dot were absolute game changers. If I had a preference, I would keep urethane and ban reactive. But that's not going to happen. I say, "Keep them both." There's a place for each in the game and if your "look" is disturbed by urethane, too bad. Resin also destroyed urethane's look when the Xcalibur first came out. Make better adjustments, throw the ball better, just keep the whining to yourself. After all, if you're good enough, you'll figure it out. If you're not and start whining, you're a toad. That includes one Sean Rash for acting like a toad when he's better than that.
I don't know really what my opinion is on urethane. On one hand, I'm not someone who wants to tell people they can or can't use something without good reason. On the other, I have to admit that seeing pros throw nothing but urethane on TV gets very boring, especially if they're a Brunswick brand staffer, and again still if they're two handed. It just makes me lose interest. It's as if people nowadays have so much damn rotation on the ball that they can't even control it - and it's much easier, and makes more sense, to use something that just isn't going to react as opposed to messing with your mechanics and getting all twisted up that way.
When would you even want a shape like the Black Widow makes? It reminds me of the Hot Cell and Fever Pitch that everyone hated - tons of early traction and not enough motion downlane to counteract how far left you need to get to clear the fronts with it. It just seems like the least desirable shape imaginable.
Sometimes, the issue isn’t how to strike on a pattern where you have to give away the pocket. A ball like the widow is great for squaring up and piping it up 10 where you still need to get through the heads. The big issue with reactives - and it’s been that way since 1992 - is that they have put bowlers into the habit of moving their target farther down the lane. With urethane, you bring back less of left to right ball motion and more forward to back motion, meaning you are learning (or relearning) how to move your target closer to you.
Are those urethanes shiny on purpose? They look like they could use a little bit of surface, or some cleaning lol. Also you should try sport patterns from the PBA or the IBF, the harder the better to look, on tougher conditions. And yes, urethane is useful. Another tool.
hi guys, i have a question for arsenal building. I'm left handed , 17mph 440 rpm, i'am using really often onlyl urethane in league. I've in my bag pitch black and purple hammer, i'm thinking about put in a third urethane ( my favourite is the new hammer pink ). What do you think about? is a good choiche have these three urethane balls bag? and should i use same layout ?
Urethane is like anything where it's part of the game and don't think it's much either way. It's good as it gives options and isn't really much different from having weaker or stronger balls in general. It's mostly just a bad time if you don't know how to cope or sometimes if people are all over the place with it but that's part of the game too.
