post-reload update: i personally really prefer the atmosphere and character defining dungeon/combat design choices of fes. reload is more of a power trip. i will say, i do prefer reload's voice acting and the linked episodes outside of akihiko (not bad just expected more). the social life aspect is an overall improvement with the expansion of night activities; no complaints there. i go into more detail on this in my reload video so please go watch it if you haven't already! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xzn1K5J_ODo.html
Fes would have to be reworked in terms of difficulty as it wasn't designed with it in mind, Any of the challenge it has would be nuked, And it already isn't that hard to begin with, Also Fes is fine the way it is as people blow the whole "Marin Karin" and "Junpei be dumb" crap out of the water
There's actually a cheat code to enable party control for P3FES. You could even do it on original hardware (if you could input cheats). That combined with a bunch of community mods just makes me even more disappointing about the P3P news. I get why they didn't try to combine it though. PS2 games were apparently really hard to develop, and I guess they didn't want to emulate. But I would've loved a P3FES and P3P release. Let plays choose which one they wanna play. Even if they were separate releases.
Honestly I don't think it's really an issue to not have controllable party members since the game was made with the idea of not having your party controllable, they wanted to give you a sense that your allies have a mind of their own and you'll have to be responsible as the leader, adding it won't completely ruin it., but I think it'll make the game less unique.
19:22 I'm in the minority on this, but I actually found golden far more exploitable. You get to exploit it far faster than royal, and golden hands are far more common than treasure demons + exp cards make it far easier to overlevel in golden. It's also the only persona game where sticking to your initial persona is preferable.
I know right. Whenever I got a new party member in that game, they would always end up being embarrassingly under leveled compared to my current ones. I think another factor is the fact that Persona 5 is better paced than Persona 4. Persona 5 makes it so that if you play through the dungeon as intended without intentionally avoiding combat entirely that you will be the appropriate level for the boss. There also aren't many ways to get the insane amounts of experience in as short a time as farming the golden hands in Persona 4. They even removed the exploit of the Reaper getting the status ailment in Royal.
I would argue that the skill card system (and a little luck with the random skill morphs that can occur) can make orpheus the only persona you'll ever need in p3p as well. I say this because the last time I played it I had no intent of hanging onto orpheus and ended up using it all the way to the final boss out of pure convenience. The fact mitsuru gives you so many good things every exam period is supremely broken if you funnel it all into one place.
@@Namingway248 persona 4 golden basically took the systems from persona 3 portable and updated them a bit so i agree. The fact that there is almost nothing to do at night on p3p also helps, cause you can just keep spamming the arcade to improve orpheus stats, add in the incense cards which you can buy and get from mitsuru after exams and you have max stats in no time.
I think they're two different kinds of exploitable. P4G is a lot about grinding up existing personas via Shuffle Time chaining, while P5R is playing mad scientist via Fusion Alarm. The former takes patience; the latter requires cheeky boundary pushing. Both need you to have the kind of gambling addiction RPGs already foster in players. 😅
@@valumtimes I think that's the best way of looking at it. My opinion is that P5R is less exploitable earlier on while P4G is exploitable right of the bat. By the end, sure, P5R is easier, but at that point, both Narukami and Joker do 90% of the damage, and can kill bosses in record time. Grinding in Golden was pretty fun though ngl. Amazing how they made grinding kinda fun. Although, I still prefer playing mad scientist in the velvet room, which I barely spent any time in, in Golden.
I'm playing the PSP Persona 1 version because of hype waiting for the PC ports and translations and I was expecting something that felt older but I was surprised in a good way, the game feels right most of the time, I did not knew about the music and audio being different from the original, I'll check if I like it better with that mod mentioned in the video.
@@alyssarasmussen1723 thanks for the info , but it has been a year and i already have found it haha . Now im looking forward to the persona 3 reload ost to come out in good quality .
As someone who has never played them, my plan is to play all the PSP ones, as I have a hacked PSP. For 4, I have the PS2 version on PS3 that I got for very cheap a while ago. If I ever see Golden on Switch for a good price, and I still haven't played it, I'll get it for that. For 5 is going to be Royal on Switch.
Also I think a video about mods would be really interesting I don't have a lot of experience using them except for a couple times where I tried modding Undertale So it'd be cool seeing a video talking about the Persona mods out there.
@@CheesyLizzy yeah. the more i think about it, the better the idea sounds. we'll see how it goes later down the line. probably not until after 3 and 5 have come to steam.
january 19th is so close i am so excited to play persona 3 for the first time. i had no idea there were so many different options of the lfrst three games, cause i've only recently got into the persona series (p5 royal which i bought in February of last year... had to start over last month tho cause i couldn't carry over my save data to my new console :/). thank you for the video, I've been enjoying going through your 'older' ones too.
The enemy stats are also lowered by about 20-30% in the PSP version of Innocent Sin Not that the PS1 ver was a particularly difficult game, but psp's hard mode only barely matches the original difficulty
There’s just something about this series that feels just soo much better on a portable.. But I may be biased being I’d played through P4G on Vita first.. I look forward to seeing P5R on Switch and I’ll probably keep my PS4 version as a backup
13:26 I really don't understand why Makoto Yuki and Kotone Shiomi having a fixed weapon is a big deal, frankly in my opinion it makes each MC unique from both Their respective Party Members and each other
Persona 5 is such an special case for me. I played P5 3 times. One on my PS3, then one month later on my new Ps4 at the time (paid twice for the full price game), and then again before I had money for the royal (which I've got on a deal on PSN). I have P5 physical nowadays but I don't have P5R because it's a pain to find a copy here. Anyways, by playing P5 and essentially starting P5R right away I caught so, fucking, many, differences. It's insane, so much so that I really wish someone did an in-depth features and changes from versions, not only in big mechanics because they changed every single small thing you can immagine. That being said, P5 actually holds itself off real good, if you give someone who never played Persona 5, the original game today, they will still feel it's a finished game. It's absurdly polished, and yes, the chances you have to break the game only happens end game, P5R adds stuff that breaks the game before the third dungeon if you ignore DLC. And since you have all the OG DLC, you know what happens. I'm still annoyed with the female Orpheus DLC where she's like, level 11, and has Neo Cadenza, which heals 50% + All of the Kaja spells in one for all party, that's like a super Heat-Rizer for all your party right in front of you from Kamoshida's palace. That's insane. There are a lot of smaller changes and big changes, and Royal succeed in making you not wanting to play P5, just because it fixes the smaller things that annoyed everyone in the long run, changed certain dungeons to have less padding, cut short win battle animations so you have to click only once to see all your spoils, and so on and so on. Even so, if I ever get to a situation where I can't play P5R and can only play P5, I will be able to play it without being absurdly annoyed by it, because overall, the game is very well done. After all, it took them almost ten years to make it. P3 AND P4 are not that... easy, to play the og versions. P4 is harder than P4G, true, but overall P4G feels more complete. P4 lacks something, and it's simple: It lacks freedom. P5 may force you to sleep way too much, I agree, but you still can play 80% of the callendar day and night no problem. Also, just for you to have a sense of scope, if you ever play P5, try NOT using the fast travel mechanics for two or three days in-game, and you'll see how absurdly well done it is. It's so easy to get lost, they suceed into making shibuya the labyrinth it truly is. Anyway, I agree with you too. To me, P3P is only worth if you play FemC. If your first time playing Persona 3, you should play FES. The 2D graphics removes some of the charm Iwatodai has. P3P adds a lot of good features, but I'm still wondering why they added quick travel there if it's so damn fast to travel between screens when you're just a flloating dot. And in deffence of every single one who hates the Visual Novel, I am a great lover of Visual Novels, and PErsona 3 Script was NOT adapted to a Visual Novel format. This means a certain character dies for another in Persona 3 Portable and the script tells the scene as if you're watching the 3D models doing their shit, they never go in-depth describing what's happening and since they didn't draw any new cutscenes for these moments, you will be seeing Tartarus'front door a lot, while sprites come and go with their EXPRESSIVENESS during emootional scenes. To this day I still wonder, how they wanted me to feel bad when a party member goes away when they didnt bother to describe the scenes correctly since most of them lacks CGs anyways. P3Fes however made me care for those characters, and know that I had a PSP when I discovered Persona 3, so I played the PSP first. And frankly as much as we have a lot of good gameplay changes in portable, Portable really forgets to remember people may have not played P3 or P3F, because it expects you to know how the scenes actually play so you can have some sort of emotion being triggered in your brain. Really. Spoilers: When Jumpei sees Shidori survived in Portable, it felt meh for me, once I watched the same scene on FES, I understood what happened in full. I dunno why, but frankly, Portable just don't explain shit, and remember: I play a shit ton Visual Novels, if you lack a CG or a 2D specific image to tell a scene, you need to explain every, single, piece of information the protagonist sees. And P3 scrip tells that thinking you're seeing what he's seeing on a 3D envrioment, externalized of him. While P3P should be telling the same events from a first person perspective, not an externalized version of that like P3F and P3 does.
"because it expects you to know the scenes actually play so you have some sort of emotion being triggered in your brain" Me who cried during a certain someone's death while playing the game completely blind: ok I respectful disagree with portable not explaining shit too. I understood everything perfectly and i quite honestly fail to see how someone wouldn't unless they're just spamming x to go through the text(i also had no experience with visual novels up to that point so i don't see how you couldn't understand it while having more experience with the genre). The presentantion being worse than fes is a fact, but to say that you can't understand what is happening is a huge stretch.
I know, I just started playing P3P and it's way more different than P3F was to the original P3. I understand now why P3P is seen as the remake by Atlus. I can only imagine how much different P4G will be, let alone P5R.
@@H-tr1od Kotone Shiomi doesn't add much, and The Answer is more than likely coming as DLC once Reload Gets the Answer, It will be the definitive Version Of Persona 3 whether you like it or not
@Ren31802 charging for the epilogue is ludicrous. And the only thing p3r does better is combat, tarturus and some characters havent extra content. Other than that FES is better, reload was lazy asf with its cutscenes and even some overworld stuff. Characters in club escapade don't even dance like in fes they just stand there, yes it's a nitpick but it's to show they were lazy in some aspects. Especially the cutscenes. They lack all the creativity and personality that FES had.
The main thing keeping me from really wanting to sit down and play a persona game is the whole social link thing, and romancing stuff. I never cared for romance in games and honestly, if I have the option to romance a character, I don't really like making choices between them and stuff.
You do have the option to but you can always just not romance them, heck if you do only the male social links (and select female ones like Maya or Sae) or don't get to rank 9 with the girls you won't face it, technically you don't even need to do the social links but it will make the game a bit easier (signifigantly easier/more convenient in 5 like ryuji lets you run through lower level shadows easily or hifumi lets you use a turn to swap party members)
I tried to play fes without modding it but not being able to control your party is just so boring that I almost just stopped playing the game and even if my party members did what I wanted them to do 100% of the time I would still think it is boring, lucky I was emulating it and I was shocked how easy it was to mod in the ability to control your party members, even though I'm not very far in it I am actually having a lot of fun with the game and it's taking up as much of my thoughts as persona 4 did when I was playing it although I don't have nearly as much time to play it because of my new job
it’s a real shame that persona 3 reload came out after this video, because p3r really feels like the way that persona 3 is MEANT to be played in the post persona 5 world
If you want to play the persona 1 game with the music but with its updated version on psp someone made a mod for that and its already part of the game on cdromance
Playing P5R on switch 4 years after I played the original is like night and day. The baton pass rank trivializes coming back if you run out of sp because you can just baton pass and escape to heal, the confidant abilities are SO FUCKING BROKEN and don’t get me started on the DLC personas. If you are going to play the game, play on hard but not merciless because merciless gives you bonus damage to crits and technical hits which trivialize it further
You said no mods, but P1 PSP with the music patch is the best imo. I'd prefer the best of two worlds for the artistic intent of the devs and a streamlined battle menu that's faster and has better readability. Its not that different based on what I played of both.
This video for pretty much a majority of it, completely ignores the fact that the re-releases have native widescreen support, which when going to Persona 3 Portable and Persona 4 Golden is hugely impactful as Persona 4 and Persona 3 (and P3FES) had all their cutscenes made for 4:3 in mind, and when putting a widescreen hack on, it'll show stuff the player isn't meant to see that just looks really strange as a result of seeing parts of the cutscene not intended (when you see it, it is super obvious as well)
Persona 3 FES widescreen hacks actually have an FOV fix so you don't see things spawn in or hang on the sides of the screen. It was only recently added on version 1.6 of pcsx2 so there isn't much coverage of this fix.
I'm playing the Golden n my strategy is simple, I'll try to do all the social links, but I'll date only one girl per run, it includes secondary girls, in my first run I'm with Yukiko, next will be Chie or the secondary girls, my plan is to safe Marie or Naoto for the last run, I already have Marie max link tho
That's true, Marie is much better than Kasumi but I think it's cause other than her looks people hate her attitude and find her unlikable. I personally like her but dislike the other story additions and that's why I prefer og over Golden.
@@thegamerfe8751 thats fully understandable. personally i much prefer how the original p4 looks, but i enjoy the extra segments in p4g, along with marie and while a lot of the game is much more easily exploitable, thats just every rpg and finding fun challenges (like making an anime accurate izanagi through fusing different personas and getting skill cards/skill rank up cards)
Honestly, it's really the fault of the fanbase that Atlus is this hesitant of adding a new character to a pre-existing story. Ever heard of the phrase "They Changed It, Now It Sucks"? It comes from TV Tropes, which I think it's self explanatory. Basically, the fanbase hates Marie not really because of her character, but purely because she's part of the vanilla storyline, with their argument going that she was shoved in so much and that if she wasn't part of the original version, then she shouldn't be in the vanilla game at all (Their words, not mine). Kasumi feels like Atlus had no choice but to come up with every single excuse possible to not have her involved in the vanilla storyline at all just to avoid fanboy backlash, such as her turning down their offer right after her awakening, her stating that she feels she shouldn't get herself involved with them, the Phantom Thieves turning down her offer stating that it's too dangerous for her and that they feel only they should be the ones dealing with it, at the third act of the story where they need all the help they can get and even when getting to the third semester, Kasumi even says that it feels she's intruding, and if you ever seen BigKlingy's playthrough of Persona 5 Royal, he makes a joke about that line.
P4 G and p5 R are the same in most similarities apart from a few things where p3 P makes it turn completly visual novel so it’s really only debatable around if u like visual novels or not, but p4G and p5R are overall better bc of the stuff they add tho
Personally i enjoyed my two runs of P3P and it was a blast. Though i'll never understand most people bitching and whinning over the visual novela aspect of the Portable Version of Persona 3, if anything i welcome this style to the game true, some context will get lost with the lack of cutscenes but who gives a shit? "I sure don't if you ask me"
1-2:tsumi-2:batsu-P4G-P3F (P3P if you're into the vn type which i don't)-P5R These are my recommended playthrough if you haven't touched any of the games
Persona 5 Royales, when it first came out, felt like a slap in the face for everyone that had gotten the base game a year prior or at launch. I almost vomited blood finding out that there wasn't gonna be an expansion type update for all those that already have the originsl, and I'd have to shell out full price for what looked like a base+expansion, eventhough I already bought the base.
When it comes to 4, i go with the original since that's what i grew up on, but as far as playing it on other systems, I'll play Golden for easy sake. Never really could get behind 3....for obvious reasons.
You should always have in mind mods that restore or add missing content in mind, for this situations, the persona community always tries to find a good solution to its bad remasters so why avoid them
Hm, how very interesting, i can see your points, i very much appreciate this Video, makes me look forward to see what you do next. Hm, i wonder what you think of the Spin-offs?
P3 Fes is the best version, only have a problem and is not allowed to control the others party members and Persona 4 original is great and don't needed some new mechanic or characters in Golden but Golden have great extra contents so.. PD: I don't like when a new version agree mechanics what become easier the game 😔
That was the weirdest explanation of regular turn based combat I've ever heard, hell for a second I thought it was some unique play style I've never come across
My personal take is P3 FES, P4 vanilla, P5 Royal. Not being able to move around in the environment in P3P does take away some of the charm of FES, plus I do like the story behind the Answer. P4, I don't really feel like the additions did anything for the game story, it's mostly fanservice + Marie. P5 vanilla vs P5R is P5R has the same structure but tells a different story that feels complete. Vanilla P5 I thought was okay but P5R is tied for me with P3 FES if not slightly out edging it because the gameplay changes in P5R make combat really fun.
Although I prefer P5 og's story over the P5 Royal's new story you can just ignore that and play just the og story in Royal so unless you already have og P5 there's no reason to prefer it over Royal.
Sorry, but I disagree with Golden. That game has one of the best gang social events and everyone fan of the characters love it, and Marie is just an social link plus an extra dungeon.
6:35 This is (imo) the most commonly spouted misnomer/misinterpretation about persona 2 IS psp. In the options you can change the triangle button auto-battle feature from "all characters do a weapon attack ad infinitum" to "repeat last set of given actions." This will continue until you hit circle to cancel and reassign new commands. This is (in all ways that matter) identical to the original system, and I'm legitimately baffled why every p2 reviewer I've watched acts like its not.
i literally said in the video you auto battle your way through the psp version all the same. it’s only annoying when you have to cancel and assign new commands because on ps1 you could just go to the one character’s command. please pay more attention.
@@bubbletea_ You can still just go to the one character's command by stopping the auto-battle right before their turn, changing it, and resuming. You'd have every right to say thats more obnoxious, but that small element of timing is arguably more thought and attention than the original ever made me put in. like I said, its functionally identical. If you would've paid more attention you would have also noticed this comment is a more broad response to the sentiment that combat is somehow vastly different (as given by multiple other reviewers) rather than it is a specific response to you alone. Its clear from your diction you never had any intention of having an actual discussion about any of this in response to my comment though, so I'm not even sure why I'm responding
@@Namingway248 i actually didn't notice cancelling mid-turn did that. i wasn't trying to insinuate the combat was that vastly different, only that there were differences (negated by how you can just auto down battles anyway). and you commented on MY video so of course i'm going to think your comment is addressed towards ME as well.
@@bubbletea_ I mean, yeah it included you in so far as (regardless of if you negate the statement) you felt it an important factor to mention that combat was different. and yes to be absolutely fair unlike a lot of other people who fail to even mention the auto feature you did very much so mention its existence, but my comment wasn't made exclusively with the intent of you reading it (anyone trying to get a creator's direct intention in the comments might as well talk to a wall) it was also made with the desire to let others reading the comments who might play the game after this know. Because if you come from p3 or later entries you're going to comprehend triangle as physical attack rush and nothing else.
Royal is nice. They made it way too easy though in my opinion. Things like refilling ammo after every fight made resource management a non issue. all the new attacks and special showtime events made it easier as they pop up often when you need them. So in a way they nerfed the difficulty of Royal. This is fine ultimately but I wish the difficulty options could be a little rougher to combat these exploitations.
I feel like the no mod rule was specifically for P3 lmao. 3 simple mods to FES and its the definitive version. HD Overhaul, Controllable Party and New Moon make it the best version
in persona 3 specifically, it's mostly on you to know off the top of your head how the AI will react to things and give directions accordingly. i get that's not for everyone, but personally i found it pretty addicting once i got the hang of it.
P3 FES has The Answer which you'll be better looking for the cutscenes on YT, Portable has quality of life changes on gameplay and FEMC but play both if you can since Atlus won't do a fucking remake
Nah, looking at static image over you running around town is not the same. Best combo would be a remake of both combined, but for now it's best to play both games. Male MC for FES and female for PSP game.
I hate to admit it but personally, I think the best version of P3 is the movie. Not a game I know, but if I want to experience P3, my go to is always watching the movie and getting the general overall experiance in a smaller dose. It trims a lot of the bloat for me and hits the key points of the story very nicely, even better in some ways than the game does imo. Here's to hopping reload will change that.
Basically everything that was said is essentially what I would recommend. The enhanced versions are almost- of not always better than the originals, unless we're disputing slight atmospheric changes. Example of this would be: Persona 4's muddy, melancholy atmosphere, to Persona 4 Golden's still melancholic, with a more higher energy atmosphere. Persona 5's gritty, dark color choice and general on screen particle effects of metaverse and overworld, to Persona 5 Royal's more cleaned up, lighter color choice with different particle effects both on screen, in the Metaverse, and general lighting. Etc.
I think Golden takes away some of the charm of Inaba. It's supposed to be in the middle of nowhere, yet a big city is only a scooter's ride away. And like you said, the lighting. I prefer the grayer, moodier vanilla over the oversaturated inaba of golden.
@@Guy_Dude Doesn't matter. Black is the strong secondary color scheme, in game it is the primary color scheme. The Red is simply to keep up with the trend of every Persona having a designated color. Deep Black and Blood (Vermillion) Red in general screams gritty and with White being present as well, the monochrome aesthetic sets a tone unlike any other.
@@insertnamehere658 well that big city is seen even in the original Persona 4 in the middle of skipping school with Ai Ebihara so it lines up with already established facts in the original. it being a scooter's ride away makes sense with Persona 4's social links.
Ah yes, a video debating the merits of every Persona game's version. Surely this will contain nothing controversial to the passionate player base. All joking aside: this is a phenomenal overview. I really appreciate that you included the pros of all versions. It's impressive you presented it all with such efficiency and limited spoilers. I hope this helps more folks get into the series (including the often neglected older titles!).
The biggest issue with P3P that you said was a small issue is the visual novel style and it's not cause of the reading, it just ruins all emotional story moments and sometimes you don't even know what's going on. I liked P3's story much more when replaying it in FES since I played portable first. I liked P3's story in portable but I loved it in FES.
Why would a visual novel style ruin the emotional bits? Have you perhaps never played Planetarium or White Album 2? Good spritework and a well composed soundtrack goes a long way in conveying emotion, and for what I've seen, P3P does a really good job at both these things.
@@MarceloZ2 Well I played both P3P and FES (the former being first in order) so I'm not speaking from a logical standpoint bit from experience, I thought the story was good but then when I played FES I just fell in love, I didn't feel as attached to the story and characters when playing P3P.
@@thegamerfe8751 I played FES, but never played Portable. As both a Persona fan and a visual novel enjoyer, I really don't see how one would feel less attached to one over the other. But maybe is because I enjoy visual novels, I don't know.
@@MarceloZ2 I enjoy visual novels too, I played FGO (obviously I'm talking about the story, it's actually pretty good), Fate Stay Night (just look at my PFP lmao), Fate HA, Stein's Gate, Clannad and Danganronpa (just 1 and 2). I think the issue is that when Persona 3 was turned into a visual novel they didn't put any effort into translating it into a visual novel format, they just replaced the 3d environment with images + put the script in the text box and called it a day, after all the game doesn't even have any known feature from visual novels. Every other visual novel actually does stuff that aren't just the text box and the image you're looking at. + The way they turned the anime cutscenes into static images that don't even show everything made most of them confusing to understand for me. There's also the fact that with the sprites that show the faces of the characters the 3d models also have a form of facial expressions. And you gotta admit, at least in the case of Persona 3, the 3d + anime cutscenes definitely present the story miles better than the static images. I think more importantly, there are many details lost in the transformation from 3d to 2d. (Spoilers for whoever else is seeing this comment) Example: On December 31st when you Ryoji makes you choose, in P3P he transforms into something that looks like how his shadow form looked like in the movie (a blob that looks just a teeny tiny bit like Thanatos) however in FES he transforms into Thanatos and that detail is just lost for those who didn't play the game in 3d. There's also the ending, it's not animated in P3P, it just has the white sprite of SEES appear then disappear, in FES it actually scrolls down by chronological order + you have the anime cutscenes being replayed in the top right corner. And let's be real here, it's much more emotional seeing something actually happen then seeing an image (case and point, what happened to Shinji) Oh and just to let you know, Fate Extra exists on the PSP, that game is almost the same as far as the gameplay format is concerned (you have a school and a dungeon + some extra stuff) + it looks much better than P3P and is a 3d game. I still don't understand how Fate Extra can exist on the PSP but Persona 3 FES can't. Heck, it looks better than even FES. Other than size the PSP can probably run an optimized + compressed and worse looking version of FES at locked 30 FPS (the game runs at 60 on PS2) and I guess make The Answer a downloadable DLC to save space.
P1 PSX is such a interesting experience, I think more people should try to give it a try even with the script, but PSP is fine I guess if you want only the story
I've played both, definitely preferred the psp versions, but the music for the psx versions hits different tho, it feels more immersive??? Idk, That's about it ig
The music in the PSP version is such a bob tbh, i know people don't like it that much because it doesn't fit the theme of a demon invasion but it's still a bop
IMO I wish they do a rerealease of Persona 3 mixing both FES and Portable, add the graphics, animated cutscenes and The Answer from FES, and add Portable quality of life improvments and Female Route.
I can relate to your opinion on Persona 3 versions, although I did it in reverse. I played P3P first both male and female routes before finally delving into P3FES much later, and FES definitely was still fun to play and kept my attention even of I knew the general gist of what was coming. The gameplay style changes alone really make thw two standout, and I dont think one is inherently better than the other which is great
To each their own. I do personally enjoy FES a bit more myself but I won't deny that I really liked the alt story/protag of P3P, and the modern conveniences like full party control made me feel better about using certain party members that I felt were underwhelming in FES. The changes to the Tired status also were much better implemented in P3P in my opinion. So discreditting what P3P does well seems a bit short sighted just cause you or I think FES is better
@@NeoMusicGamer I mean there really wasn't any need for full control over party members, I had the option but I never really needed to use it unless for a boss, also while I did like the alt character, I felt the writing was fit more for p4 than p3, plus I really missed the epiloge for fes
I think the main reason why P3P has so many compromises mostly comes down to the fact a UMD holds 900MB (on a single layer disc) or 1.8GB on a dual layer. I mean P3P uses the same engine as FES. So I think that’s the main reason is just storage :)
With Persona 1 I definitely lean more towards Japanese MIP/Revelations due to the presentational changes in the PSP and even though that mod (which I know the people who worked on it) is really cool and fixes the music, the sound design is honestly completely different and it doesn't feel right to someone like me who has been so used to the original. Also for Japanese players there is a weird presentational thing in the PsP version with the animated cutscenes only being subtitled and having no voices while the English version is fully dubbed. I thought that was extremely strange. With p2is one of the biggest advantages the PsP has over the original was scrapped from the western release with the dungeon builder and DLC quests being removed. I don't think there's any ongoing projects to restore that unfortunately, Western players really missed out with those DLC quests made by Satomi Tadashi
Even though the music does not fit the tone anymore I fricking love the psp vocal tracks so much. Let butterflies spread until the dawn, bloody destiny, and lone prayer are all so so good
@@jacksonbrickmedia939 I wish they were a bit longer personally. They're good tracks even if they don't fit as well, but they loop very early that to me it feels like the songs are missing something. Like Lone Prayer is good but it feels like it ends a bit too early before going back to the start.
At this point, Persona 2 could be released as a full game with the option to play Innocent Sin or Eternal Punishment or play them both as a full story.
@@BitchChill for the sony playstation 2 and playstation portable developed by atlus now currently owned by sega soon to be ported to the nintendo switch, sony playstation 4 and 5, microsoft windows operating system, microsoft xbox series x/s and the microsoft xbox one
I'm usually for faithful remakes too... unless they're Pokemon BDSP. (But that's mostly because I thought the original DP could do with a lot of improvements) There are three versions of Persona 3. FES, Portable, and the one nobody plays because maxing all Social Links was somehow EVEN WORSE than FES. I definitely agree with you on reverse Social Links. They should still exist, just get rid of the jealousy system. It was even worse in FES because the male MC doesn't even have the option of platonic routes. I agree that part of the beauty of P3 is both versions (we don't talk about non-FES PS2) give very different experiences on what's broadly the same story. I never really thought of that before but yeah, Golden's additions were more substantial expansions on the formula than I thought. And on Golden being exploitable, well... sure, but P5R is MUCH worse in that regard. 17:50 LolYosuke'sLevel. I'd say Golden is worth picking over PS2 just for Kanji and Naoto's moveset improvements along. (To a lesser extent Chie, who is now crit focused) And you have the same opinion on Royal I do. I love its new additions, like guns actually being good, Technical being a consistent way to fight enemies with no weaknesses instead of needing to rely on Lucky Punch and Akechi actually being a good character this time. The main downside though is how incredibly easy it is compared to vanilla P5. In Golden, you at least has to kind of go out of your way to grind Persona stats. In Royal, Special Treatment + Alarm or Ryuji Rank 7 + Jose Mementos Exp Boost is ALL you need to make the gameplay effortless. In my LP I've having to actively hold myself back and I still haven't Game Overed yet up to the 3rd Palace. The boss changes also make most of them significantly easier than the original, with the exception of Okumura. (Who's my favourite boss precisely BECAUSE it's a challenge) Merciless doesn't solve these issues, because tripling Technical damage actually makes a lot of fights EASIER. Anyway, great video as always. You got a review code! Nice.
i usually always use yosuke in my party. i used magic based parties on my first two times playing persona 4 (yosuke, yukiko, and naoto). this time i went for a mostly physically built party (chie, yukiko, kanji). definitely better for taking down gold shadows, though quite a few bosses like to cock block you with their 50% pseudo-resistance.
I just tend to use everyone, rotating them around. But Chie is pretty good for gold hangs up until Naoto joins. (Then it's just Megidololon, gold hands have a huge pseudo-weakness to Almighty) At least this isn't Persona 4 Vanilla, where Tough Guy in the Shadow Kanji fight drained Physical. That fight got nerfed the hardest in Golden but I'm okay with it since the original was pretty bullcrap. (No weaknesses, they have Heat Riser) For Yukiko they gave her an Ice weakness but doubled her HP, and every other boss was untouched I'm pretty sure.
@@ruudga1028 HGSS were my favourite remakes, they kept everything good about the originals, fixed what sucked (e.g Seafoam Islands and Viridian Forest were added back in to Kanto, Blaine's Gym became an actual Gym), included some parts of Crystal, and added enough new content to feel worthwhile as new entries in the series.
6:20 You can switch it to be per turn in PS1 too. In combat go to Strategy > Battle Mode > Simple. In simple it will have everyone go through turns and then bring up input menu once everyone in combat moved. It still allows you to cancel it at any point if you feel things are getting hairy. You also don't need to reinsert commands. Just tweak order if you're aiming for a fusion spell. 6:50 Once again in combat menu Config > Battle Setup > Simple
I thought this was just gonna be some annoying whiny video saying that the OG versions of the games suck and the remasters are good because they're "newer" but I'm glad to see that the video was (mostly) unbiased and raised good points for playing each game. Cool video
