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Main drawback of this method is it's not velocity/volume sensitive. It more or less becomes a time based envelope shape that ducks the gain/volume of something else. But say you do a really fast 1/32 or 1/16 kick chop that sweeps up in velocity into a drop. This approach would trigger the same level of ducking whether the kick is as 10% or 100% velocity, leading to just a part of your song where something is ducked constantly. Fruity Limiter's sidechaining is audio input based, so it considers the volume levels of your kicks/snares or whatever you're sidechaining against, and compresses the other thing proportionately, making for a more natural and realistic sidechain relationship. Using Fruity Envelope as a free alternative to LFO Tool is dope, but in case anyone else here does want velocity/volume dependent sidechaining, may want to stick with Fruity Limiter or Fruity Peak Controller until somehow a Patcher like this considers the velocity of MIDI Out notes.
Update: It works with the Velocity as well now :) I talked with LETT on our Discord Server already - and I think it was brilliant idea. I updated the Free pack, so make sure to download it!
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Not sure if it was mentioned in the video but a huge advantage to this method is that the envelope controller always completes its cycle. This beats the automation method because sometimes when you stop playback, you can stop half way through your automation so your sound is now half its volume or its fully muted. I'll use this method from now on.
Hey decent video, was it the fl forum that inspired it? I wrote about these methods there a couple of years back but a couple of points to add to your video... 1) Swap fruity balance for a fruity send... Why? a) it clicks and pops much less than fruity balance when making abrupt changes. b) It has less built in smoothing time and will therefore reflect more accurately to what you draw in FEC. C) its volume control is 0-100% so you do not need to adjust like you always need to with a fruity balance. 2) if it is critical for you that your ducking has to take place truly where you have set it on the grid then for that you should use a fruity limiter as the volume control to link to its gain because... a) Fruity limiter has built in look a head and thus can duck quicker on grid and can duck transients that happen at the place you first set your envelope to occur, without the benefit of look a head from the likes of fruity limiter you may have to apply some negative delay to the start point of your ducking envelope (i.e. move the envelope left slightly back in the timeline) to effectively duck early transients, but if using the layer channel trick you won't be able to have the envelope react early unless of course you use a look ahead option, but this level of accuracy will rarely be needed and it will require added latency but it is worth noting non the less. b) A bonus is you can use its attack knob to dial in your desired smoothing amount too. 3) You don't need a MIDI out, you can just load an Envelope controller in the channel rack and link your chosen gain control to its articulator and like in your video you can then link this via a layer instead of a MIDI out. 4) A nice variation to add about replacing your Envelope controller with an automation clip is that changing the pitch of an automation clip in its keys display window at bottom if its setting window will change the speed of your envelope! So for example off-setting by an octave lower will double your envelope time, plus an octave will half the time taken. Points to note are that envelope controller does not have this advantage, this same action has no effect on them but they do have 8 separate articulatos in one so they do save a very small amount of CPU compared with 8 automation clips and a little channel rack space too of course.
Max by far your tutorials are over-the-top I have such a collection of them and refer to them all the time thank you so much for making these for all of us.
Use a frequency splitter in patcher for more control of what frequencies youre sidechaining then you can also add effects onto each frequency send and route them back into a maximizer or something to correct any linear phase artificats, etc....
Yo max that was cool stuff. Maybe a video to get us more familiar with patcher altogether. How to setup a few more basic presets? I’m enjoying your help through the mixing course at the moment on my drill song 👌🏼🔥
thats nice except FL studio can't delay compensate midi out yet, so it won't trigger in time especially if you're using a lot of plugins and have a lot going on.
This idea is limited, because midi out device makes a sound except on port zero. Which you are already occupying with the kick side chain. So, say you also want to side chain the snare, you can't because midi out device port 1 through 255 make sounds. The only way to lower the volume is in the piano roll velocity to get rid of the sound but then you won't trigger the sidechain.
this trick useful but not too much when you work on drum & bass beat loop pattern, it will trigger for all instruments. my method is use bus which I filtered by EQ before hit fruity peak controller so signal will trigger on the kick area only. after that put fruity lfotool & link controller to lfotool volume. It will sidechain perfectly
Just incredible! Can please make videos for chords and melody generation using FLs tools for users with limited music theory? Looking for intermediate to advance level topics please 😀
you should try putting this on a snare drum in an empty project, as if you're sidechaining the snare drum to the midi trigger. Im getting a huge click on the transient, which I would not get with lfotool, meaning this is not a fun time
An added benefit is probably, that it's much, MUCH better for CPU Load than external plug-ins. I haven't tried it with this one (i sure will), but it's almost always the case. I used LFO Tool for the longest time, but there was a weirt issue with it... Sometimes, i believe when the start-position was at the start of a bar (=when the kick hits), and a side-chained channel is soloed, then it would randomly PERMANENTLY sidechain, leaving the volume at the min value in the LFO-Tool. That was annyoing enough for me to swicht back to the regular fruity limiter method, because - again - much, much better CPU load compared to 3rd party.
Can you show how to do frequency masking sidechain in patcher? It would be nice to have a preset for removing low end from all sounds in drops, and get the sounds back to full spectrum in other parts of the song. I mean without making seperate tracks in mixer for EQ's or automation for every time it happens. Love the video. My new favourite sidechain method. It beats the kickstart easy fix!
I have a patcher coming out with the forthcoming FL21 which will do this but on steroids, it will duck all note frequencies independently, it is a note frequency trackspacer but you will need to use it in a stems mastering session ideally as it is extremely CPU intensive, it's possibly the biggest CPU hungry patcher patch ever 🤣
I have one simple (nooby) question. Why dont you just automate the volume knob of fruity Balance? Create an automation clip of that and create your own sidechain in the playlist?
Kickstart 2 has audio dependent sidechaining, so you could run a drum loop or non MIDI data through it and it ducks the other source accordingly, so it definitely still has its use that this doesn't cover. That being said you can set up audio dependent sidechaining relationships with stock plugins still with Fruity Peak Controller or Fruity Limiter. Kickstart 2 is only $16 though, it's pretty cheap for what you get.
Hi Max Want to request you to make a patcher preset that's very similar to waves one knob pumper, I'm curious what makes it very different behind the hood compared to other 3rd party sidechain plugins where you need to tweak a bit to get that pump
This sounds and looks 10x harder than using fruity limiter sidechain compression or fruity peak controller. Why is this better? XD This gives you many more options at hand maybe, but if you just want to sidechain volume, peak controller and fruity limiter are simply much faster, easier and intuitive, aren't they?
Is there a way you can sidechain one channel from multiple sources?, for example one reverb to more than one background vocal channel , or a lead vocal hannel and verse vocal channel to the reverb? . Normally I know when you side chain especially with third party plugins in my case you can only select one channel in the processing sidechain slot...any feed back?
Tried this to get rid of the popping noise I have when sidechaining with fl limiter. Sadly still have it with this method. Any tips on how to resolve it?
(🥭FL STUDIO) *How to make House sidechain in Fruity Love Philter:* • Load up default patch • Turn on HQ envelopes (less clicking) • Turn off oversampling (saves CPU) • Set Filter type to OFF • Enable Tempo on Vol Envelope • Make a bar long LFO curve • Make sure you set the start and endpoints to loop your LFO TIP: If you want to move off-grid, you can always switch off the green magnet button on the bottom-right of the grid.
Cool but Do you know a way to trigger envelope Controller or a other gate by Sound/volume and not by midi Note I mean is there a way to create midi cc Orders out of Peaks from for example a kick pattern
Yeah, I'm trying to think how to do it in Patcher, because like you say, velocity/volume isn't considered, or if you wanted to sidechain against the audio input of say a .wav drum loop. This method helps to set up a quick LFO shape style sidechain at any rhythm you want in the song, but doesn't really consider if some kicks are quieter or louder than others and adjusting the ducking amount accordingly.
It's much harder to control the shape. It will work, but if you want really top noch mix - you got to have a shape of your sidechain be perfectly in line with the kick waveform. It's the final 2% really, so no big deal if you don't use this technique.
All these LFO tools, as well as your method, are not really good for proper EDM music. When every dB counts you need full control. Also, all these methods, even if you go down to 0 dB, leave a small amount of signal over your kick (or whatever) attack. So there's no lookahead option. The only proper plugin that has this is Duck Buddy, yet it's only for Ableton. So manual sidechain in FL still for now.
Lfo Tool or Kickstart are better because it's basically one or two clicks. With this patcher preset there are all these bullshit that you need to keep in mind. It's all about the user experience and design.
