Carlos Beltran to the giants trade needs to be mentioned. That was a lose lose trade cause Beltran would move on next season and the prospect the giants traded was a major L. Zack wheeler was wasn’t all that good in Mets uni.
Idk if it's a loser trade, but one I'd like to see highlighted is when my Mariners traded our beloved manager Lou Pinella to the Devil Rays for Randy Wynn. How many other managers were traded for players? And how successful were those players after the trade?
The odd thing about Kevin Brown is that he had no intention of playing baseball. Though he was a star pitcher in high school, he didn’t plan on playing when he went to Georgetown but rather focus on majoring in engineering. When the college baseball coach found out how good he was prior, he approached him several times about trying out. After being rebuffed, Brown eventually relented. He was a prickly personality but very talented.
Guardians and Mets trade as of right now seems like a win-win. The mets received Francisco Lindor and Carlos Carrasco which lindor has obviously been good but carrasco has been decent, and the Guardians received Gimenez, Rosario, and 2 other players that havent played for the Guardians yet but Gimenez has been great winning a gold glove hitting about .300 and 20 home runs last season and even finishing 6th for AL MVP last season and Amed Rosario has done really good as well and he got that nice speed and since 2021 Rosario has most triples and most games going 4/4 or better. I feel like the guardians actually won this trade but I typed all of this down and im not deleting it
The 2 trades that came to mind for me aren't particularly even in terms of WAR, but I think they accomplished the goals of both teams. -Phillies trading a package including Michael Bourn in exchange for Brad Lidge. Phillies don't win a WS w/out Lidge, but the Astros multiple 5+ WAR seasons from a gold glove CF, and even a good season from a reliever in the deal. -Mariners trade Randy Johnson to avoid paying him over injury concerns to the Astros for Freddy Garcia, Jon Halama, and Carlos Guillen. Neither side gets what Johnson does in Arizona, but Houston gets a historically great half season and Seattle gets 2 key pieces for their franchise's best season.
I am glad someone brought up the Randy Johnson trade. He went on an absolute tear for the Astros. That was a talented team and it made sense for them to go all in for a World Series push. He pitched well in the playoffs - it just so happened they got run over by Kevin Brown. Seattle should have just paid him of course, but that is hindsight. They did well in that deal. Almost a Mookie Betts situation for them.
Even if it was for a half-season rental, the Brewers trade for CC Sabathia was actually a win-win. CC got the Brewers into the 2008 playoffs, and Cleveland, even though the big prize of the trade, Matt LaPorta, was a bust, the 'player to be named later' would be Michael Brantley, who was a big part of Cleveland making the World Series in 2016.
in my opinion, the DBacks/Marlins trade is a win/not lose. Jazz is solid, but Gallen is a bonafide ace. I bet Miami would rather have Gallen going forward
As a Marlins fan, I can see both sides. Obviously Gallen would be nice to have, but outside of some mistakes in CF, Jazz's numbers are already incredible defensively. If he can settle down and get his hitting back to a better spot, this is 100% a win win trade
I think this one is more win win than the Arraez trade. Pablo Lopez is definitely solid as well as pretty young and they additionally traded 2 additional prospects just for Arraez. Seems like a robbery from twins if any of those prospects pan out. I think its just more unlikely Arraez hits 330 year in and year out rather than multiple solid years from Lopez
@@andrewtaylor995 typically I am with you. But a top end #1 ace who arguably is top 5 in the whole league is more valuable than an everyday player of Jazz’s calibre
@@Narcandy but jazz is a year younger and the year hasn’t ended so we don’t know what we’ll get from him, maybe he becomes an mvp in a couple and boom marlins win the trade, we’ll have to see. And with how the marlins are currently looking Gallen is not what where missing
The Chapman trade has to be up here. The cubs got Chapman which if they didn’t get him they likely wouldn’t have won the World Series. And the Yankees got gleyber torres aswell as other players. They also got Chapman back in the offseason
Win-win trade: Zach Greinke to Milwaukee in 2011 (?). Royals got Lorenzo Cain and Alcides Escobar, who would play a huge role in their 2014-15 run, and Brewers got Greinke as their ace
Royals won that trade big time by a WAR perspective. Greinke put up 3.6 WAR in Milwaukee (Yuniesky Betancourt was also in that trade, put up -0.1 WAR. The package the royals received put up 32.4 WAR. I wouldn't say the Brewers lost the trade, but the Royals definitely won.
You always hear that if you win a world series it doesn't matter how much you give away. I would be interested in some lopsided trades that gave a team a world series. As a white sox fan the Adam Eaton and Chris Sale trades stand out to me.
As a Nats fan I was just about to write that the Giolito could be on here, because they don't win that World Series without Eaton (and I honestly think they would've won it in 2017 if he hadn't got hurt).
The Red Sox gave up essentially Moncada and Kopech who both busted for 2 seasons of elite Chris Sale (big reason they won 108 games and a World Series). I think the Red Sox have a slight edge on it just because in hindsight how bad the prospects actually were
I can name three, Joc Pederson, Eddie Rosario, and Jorge Soler for the 2021 Atlanta Braves, Joc was the man for the NLDS, Eddie - MVP for the NLCS, and Jorge MVP for the World Series - and he hit the Moon shot that flew over the train tracks in game 6 that won it all for them
Mariners trading Ketel Marte and Taijuan Walker to the Diamondbacks for Mitch Haniger, Jean Segura, and Zac Curtis worked out pretty well for both sides
Yes and no. The Diamondbacks clearly won it while the Mariners got useful pieces...but I think the Mariners playoffless streak ends earlier with Marte and Walker.
First win-win trade that came to mind for me was back in 09: Matt Joyce for Edwin Jackson. Both teams pretty much got exactly what they wanted out of that deal: the Rays got 10 WAR over parts of 6 seasons from a solidly league average starting OF on a team that struggled with offense (and even had an All Star 3+ WAR season in there), and while the Tigers only held onto Jackson for one year, they got the best season of his career (a nice 4ish WAR season in 09), then flipped him for, among others, Max Scherzer and Austin Jackson, who were key parts of their mid 2010s run of success. Have to think both sides came away feeling pretty good about those deals when it was all said and done.
I think you can count trades as Win-Win even if there’s a war imbalance depending on the situation. If a trade for a rental player results in a deep playoff run, especially a championship, it’s well worth it imo even if the rental player doesn’t resign and the traded player remains good. Also, if a team has an excellent rotation but struggles at another position i think the war difference matters less, since you’re improving where you need it most.
A good win/win trade was the Blue Jays trading Adam Lind to the Brewers for Marco Estrada. Estrada turned his career around in Toronto, and the Brewers traded Lind to Seattle for Freddy Peralta.
Estrada was sneaky good in the 15-16 run. I always remember that team despite being made up of a lot of the same guys being a bunch of mashers in 15 and then in 16 the pitching just went off we got absurd seasons from JA Happ and Aaron Sanchez who both got CY votes. But Estrada was consistently pretty good both years and got votes in 15 I've just learned from his BRef page.
I don't recall if Roy Halladay was a free agent, or if he was traded from the Blue Jays to the Phillies. But the Jays got way better after that, and made back to back ALCS in 2015-16 after Roy left. The Phillies got more than they expected from Doc Halladay, and several playoff wins. That's a win-win.
I’m surprised not a lot of people are talking about the Pablo Lopez/Luis Arraez trade in the offseason. Lopez became a fantastic pitcher and a regular starter for the Twins while Arraez had the best hitting season of his career for the Marlins, AND both these players helped both their teams make the playoffs this season. This is one of the few win-win trades I can think of.
Absolutely. Both players flourished so much in 2023 after their trades and helped lead their teams to the playoffs after losing seasons the previous year, and it'll be very interesting to see how time affects the trade.
This was a fire video! I feel like looking at some of those super lop-sided trades would be fun/heartbreaking too - as a D-Backs fan I still can't believe the Dansby Swanson/Shelby Miller trade...
The best win-win trade I could think of for the Pittsburgh Pirates recently (since 2010) was the trade of Joel Hanrahan and Brock Holt to the Red Sox for Mark Melancon, Ivan DeJesus JR, Jerry Sands and Stolmy Pimentel. Brock Holt was worth about 8.6 WAR over his 7 seasons with the Boston Red Sox. Meanwhile, Mark Melancon was worth 8 WAR over his 4 seasons with the Pirates. The rest of the guys listed did almost nothing with their new teams. Hanrahan was the big piece going to the Red Sox and was hurt right away and his career was over. Brock Holt was a good enough position player during his time with the Red Sox. Melancon was the setup guy for the 2013 Pirates. The next year, he switched to closer when Jason Grilli was traded away. He had 51 saves in 2015 for the Pirates and was the best pitcher on one of the best bullpens in baseball. The Pirates traded Melancon in 2016 for Felipe Vazquez and the less said about him the better.
Paul Konerko (from CIN) for Mike Cameron (from CWS) in 1999 is always the first trade that comes to mind when I think of win-win trades. The value the White Sox got is a no-brainer. Konerko played very well for them for 16 seasons. Mike Cameron was probably a better player, but the Sox needed a first baseman more than outfielders in the early 2000s with Frank Thomas moving to DH. Konerko didn't play well for the Reds, and they got a very good season out of Mike Cameron before trading him for Griffey. Seattle then got 18.4 bWAR out of him over 4 seasons.
You could do Justin Masterson from the Red Sox to Cleveland for Victor Martinez in 2009. Kind of obscure but as a long time Sox fan it stuck out to me. Plus I know you love the unique trades that aren’t as well known
I’d like to give an honorable mention to the Red Sox and Blue Jays swapping Steve Pearce and Santiago Espinal. Red Sox get a guy who won World Series MVP as a rental, Jays get an All Star 2nd baseman who better lines up with their competitive window. Not sure what the WAR exchange is, but I think both teams do that trade again.
I would say Alomar, Carter for Fernandez and mcgriff would be arguably one of the best trades in baseball history. If not for that trade the Jay's don't win back to back ws...
Phillies angels was a win win. Marsh turned into a good hitter and ohoppe was doing great til he got injuried but is gonna be a solid player and one of the better hitting catchers
What about each teams longest players trade chain. Player A is on the team and was traded for Player B Player B traded for player c until you get to the drafted player
Only a minute into this video, i would say that the Mariners flipping Randy Johnson to the Astros for Freddie Garcia, John Halama and Carlos Guillen should make this list.
8:51 - Kind of funny hearing how Corbin is looked at as bad with the Nats while he was a vital player in the ‘19 World Series - obviously he has been bad since the WS (outside of ‘23?) but never would’ve won in ‘19 without him
The greatest win-win trade in baseball history never happened. Not sure the year, but there's a story about the Yankees and Red Sox owners having a few drinks together and talking about their teams one winter. They got really drunk and ended up agreeing to a trade of Joe DiMaggio for Ted Williams... They stopped the trade when they sobered up the next morning. Now.. if that trade happened, it would have been a win for everyone involved. The Yankees, The Red Sox, and both hitters. Williams was a left handed hitter at Fenway, a park that favors right handed hitters... DiMaggio was a right handed hitter in Yankee Stadium.. which was a park that VASTLY favored left handed hitters (430 feet to the power alley in left field.. 360 in the RF power alley) Both hitters would have benefited from the change in parks and been even greater than they already were, and would have improved their new teams!
IMO 2007 Josh Beckett was the most single dominant season I've ever seen from a pitcher. 101 mph 4 seamer, a 98 mph 2 steamer, a 92 mph change up followed up with a filthy 12-6 and all within the AL EAST which was in a league of its own. Every single one of those AL East lineups was a mine field for any pitcher. Those lineups were brutal and it wasn't only NY & BOSTON. To this day I also think Schilling should have won the 2004 CY YOUNG award even though Santana had stronger numbers in the weakest division in the AL if not all of MLB.
Wasn’t particularly close in terms of WAR, but the Cubs don’t win the World Series without Aroldis Chapman, and the Yankees get a solid player in Gleyber Torres
The best win/win/win is the Tigers D-Backs Yankees. Scherzer Kennedy and Granderson would all lead their teams to the playoffs within 1 year of the trade
I think the Harrison Bader for Jordan Montgomery trade has been a pretty good win-win for both sides, but they're both free agents at the end of this year so that story isn't entirely written yet.
My perception of Patrick Corbin is he was just as essential as Strasburg in getting DC a championship..that alone is worth the 120,000,000 they will have paid him…
At the time it looked awful, but Archer to the Pirates doesn't seem so bad now. Baz and Glasnow are plagued with injuries and the Rays moved Meadows for Paredes, who's got power and a decent glove but he's no all star. True the pirates got basically nothing in return but ultimately the Rays got very little as well.
Ahhh, right now, as far as bWAR is concerned, it's currently 13.8 to 1.2 WAR in favor of the Rays (12.9 to 1.5 in terms of fWAR), and Glas and Baz still have time to add to that (Baz especially), so not really looking great for Pittsburgh even if the worst case scenario hasn't occurred yet.
At first I thought the Luis Arraez trade was a win win. But the fact the Marlins gave up 2 prospects along with a 27 y/o pitcher entering his prime? I understand Marlins need hitting and they have SP in spades, but it just does not seem valuable enough to me.
