The Betrayal of St. Louis Football 

This was really god damn good. Fivepointvids & UTree need to see this.

It’s sad and all, but I still find it funny that St. Louis still has more recent SB title than San Francisco and Dallas.

Surprised you didn't mention Super Bowl 53 when the Rams failed to avenge their loss to the Patriots, in one of the lowest scoring Super Bowls in the modern era

If nothing else, St. Louis has the Battlehawks.

St Louis needs its own team that was birthed here. The Cardinals and Rams were teams that weren't ours, we were "foster parents" whose job was to keep those teams temporarily.

St. Louisan here--this is so true. And it's worth noting that it's not just the NFL. We've lost a baseball team (the Baltimore Orioles were once the St. Louis Browns) and an NBA team (the Atlanta Hawks used to be in St. Louis).

There was once the Cardinals. There was once the Rams. Now, the kaw is law.

I remember as kid watching the St. Louis Cardinals play and they were in the NFC East back then. I lived in South Florida and was a Dolphin fan but I would always pull for the Cardinals, and Otis Anderson too he was a Hurricane in his college days. Memories of Jim Hart and Neil Lomax.

I thought this was a Urinating Tree video at first from the thumbnail, but I was pleasantly suprised by how well constructed this video was It's criminal of how many subs you have, only being 600, hoping you find more success in the future!

St. Louis deserves a expansion team .

Not a Rams fan, but I maintain that moving away from their 2000's era uniforms was a huge mistake. Those unis was lit, their current one's suck ass.

Just a reminder St. Louis has more superbowls and NBA championships than Phoenix, Atlanta, Charlotte, New Orleans and a few more.

Relocation only hurts the fans

I was born in 1998 and I grew up a Saint Louis Rams fan, but when they moved back to Los Angeles in 2016, they are dead to me.

The Rams also made it to the NFC Championship Game in 1985, where they got shut out by the Bears

Actually, the first St. Louis NFL team was when the Cincinnati Reds season got suspended. The St. Louis Gunners were brought up to NFL status after that for just one season in 1934 and then just moved to another league.

The Patriots were in negotiation too when Kraft took over

Just started watching, so happy it popped up in my recommended because this sounds interesting asf. This topic is never brought up enough.

Fantastic video, I was shocked you only have 700 subscribers. Excited to watch more of your content.

Why no one talk about Georgia Frontiere and her nonsene

This is a great video! What sucks is my family and I always talk about how we miss the Stl rams. I actually threw away all my Rams stuff when they moved.

Thank you to our host. Masterfully done. Learned a lot

Great video! As a St. Louisan and former diehard Rams fan I feel your pain. If the XFL/UFL ever folds I like to dream that the owners somehow make a deal with the NFL to have the Battlehawks join as an expansion team or something

Bring the Cardinals back to St. Louis! I love the idea of having the baseball and football Cardinals in the same city

I think the biggest betrayal was from the cardinals, Rams were in LA since 1946 so they belonged in LA but Georgia Frontiere was from St Louis and wanted them there, which her husband rosenbloom would NOT have done, that is why LA does not name the name of Georgia Frontiere. Who really should hate is the Cardinals they were the original STL football team

Wish my hometown (Nashville) would lose its team. It's not like my life is improved in any way if they win 5 straight super bowls. The owners just keep all the money while my taxes go up to pay for the stadium.

The Rams were in LA since the '50's and the Owner Carrol Rosenbloom died mysteriously, in 5ft of water; his side piece a Las Vegas Showgirl (Georgia Frontiere) took control of the Team and moved them to her Hometown of St Louis after running the Franchise into the ground in Anaheim. Allegedly, she received over $200M under the table.

As a Los Angeles Rams fan I get your anger. I know it’s hard not only watching them win a Super Bowl at their home stadium, but be rewarded with large concerts and major international sporting events. I do like SoFi though. If I do ever visit St. Louis and wear Rams gear will there be issues? (it has the LA horn logo).

I moved to St Louis in 94, and left in 97. I was a huge Rams fan, and remained a fan until they left. What I never understood, the stadium was LESS than 20 years old when the team bolted. Why, what was wrong with the stadium, or was it all Stan Donkey being a jackass just wanting more money?

We are bigger than more than half the cities in the NFL and can never get a team…it’s bullshit… -San Antonio

One of the best informative videos I've ever seen

Anyone else think its quite a strange coincidence that once the Rams moved, the Chiefs became a dynasty, and the Rams made it back to the Superbowl?

WASHINGTON REDSKINS REDSKINS REDSKINS REDSKINS REDSKINS YEAH YOU CAN SAY IT.

As someone who grew up near Oakland I’m sorry no city deserves to have their team leave twice

I grew up in St. Louis with the Cardinals until they went to Phoenix and with the Rams when they won the Super Bowl. We left in 2012 before the Rams left.

People should have had their PSL refunded when the Rams left

As a fellow St.louisin, it is a shame that the Rams left. But i was never really a fan of them. Became a fan of the AZ Cardinals during the Kurt Warner run to the super bowl era as well because of my dad owning a bunch of old cardinals stuff from the 70s. Great video by the way. Popped up in my recommendation and thought it looked interesting.

Unfortunately I haven't had much time to follow your content, that said, great video, keep it up :)

A little context to the Cardinals moving to Phoenix: the Eagles were expected to move there in 1985. It was pretty much a done deal. But owner Leonard Tose sold the team under the agreement that they stayed in Philly.

St. Louis should never give another dollar to the NFL.

Well made video. I had some issues with your microphone especially since I had headphones on and I could hear your lips move sometimes before you speak, but this was overall a solid video. I also found it hilarious how the only pic you used of the old LA Rams owner has someone with a Saints sweater nearby him. lol

Glad this video came my way great stuff and yeah crazy that between the cardinals and rams there was only like 8 successful seasons in St Louis. Also weird that I wish the rams never switched uniforms but also thought the navy gold and white was a better look. I also always move Washington to STL in madden

The St. Louis team name actually made sense and it perfectly fine.

I remember what St. Louis couldn't get its act together during the last NFL expansion. The NFL was so desperate to have a team in St. Louis that they gave the city an extra month to shore up its bid package. St. Louis failed to do so, so the NFL reluctantly gave the franchise to Jacksonville. All the while, Baltimore had by far the best expansion package and greatly exceeded every NFL challenge. Kinda funny how things turned out, isn't it?

Screw the NFL in St. Louis! I don't want an NFL team in St. Louis.

FYI - the Rams were not known as the "greatest show on turf" until AFTER they had won the Super Bowl.

As a STL native you hit the nail on the head. I don’t want another franchise to move to STL I want a team born and raised

I must have buried the trauma of being a rams fan through the 2010’s. I started trying to remember players from that era and my brain went “Janoris Jenkins, Kenny Stills- okay that’s enough of that”. I also instinctively shudder when I see the camera pan across the chiefs sideline and Steve Spagnuolo pops out of nowhere

Why is it a city’s and/or state’s responsibility to build these billion dollar corporations the buildings they do business in? And no one say anything about revenue or jobs these corporations create, because that is just plain wrong. No way in hell should one tax dollar ever be given to any corporation, but especially ones that are part of the richest union of corporations in the country. (That’s what a sports league is) Especially since every major sports union of corporations has banned community ownership such as the most successful organization has. (The Packers have won the most nfl championships) But all this video was was a history of the cardinals and the rams. Where was the betrayal? That they moved after moving from other cities? But I am glad to hear you hate the Rams- same reason I am no longer a raider fan. The davises have been more interested in moving than winning.

Now you know how we felt in L.A. when Frontiere took the Rams from us! Your frustration was our frustration first! Yes, and less than five years after leaving L.A., the Rams coincidentally get to the Super Bowl and win for ST. LOUIS?!?!?!!

I was a foreigner growing up loving the greatest show on turf of the St. Louis Rams. It was my dream to go see the game for real one day. I'd finally made it in 2015. Unfortunately, It was the last year that the team I had known and loved was the team I grew up with. Deep down, I still wished that Kroenke didn't exercise his right and sold his share to Shad Khan. He's a greedy business mogul who only cares about money and hometown royalty doesn't matter to him at all.

"Chicago Cardinals." Ugh. That just sounds so wrong to even say, even if it is a football team.

St. Louis, not Jacksonville, should have gotten the NFL expansion team in 1995. I still say the Jacksonville Jaguars should relocate to St. Louis and still remain in the AFC South with nearby cities Nashville and Indianapolis. Even the dome is still better than Jacksonville’s stadium. The Gator Bowl is a dump!

Love the Blues song in the beginning and ending! My fave hockey team!!!! I even play as them on NHL 95 on SNES! LOL

And do people remember the 2014 Rams players protest that when football in St Louis were over

As an LA guy who wanted a local team to cheer for I’d like to thank Stan Kroenke and the Rams for coming back lol. I could never get on board with the Raiders or Chargers

Fans will support an NFL Team Born and Breaded in St. Louis

>had the cardinals for way longer >cardinals not successful >cardinals leave >cardinals continue to suck *no anger towards them* >get the rams >rams win SB >rams leave >rams win another SB *seething with hate for the rams*

Part of the reason they lost the Rams was the NFL's refusal to expand in the first place, knowing that their number one priority was placing a team back in LA. And having history in LA, the Rams, Raiders, and Chargers were always on the block. So I can understand the sentiment of not wanting another relocated team in St. Louis, since it will always feel like a temporary thing. That said, it still requires the NFL to finally actually allow an expansion, which they wouldn't even consider for LA and preferred paying St. Louis nearly 1 billion dollars than simply promising a future expansion.

Thank you for saying REDSKINS. It's what the team was known as prior to 2020.

I’m sure every local could not pick pronunciation but we say it like de-kate-ur and they were actually the Stayles Bears.🐻

I was born in Phoenix and moved to St. Charles fall of 1988.

Eagles and Cards used to have such hard fought games against each others back in the day.

Rams played the Vikings in the 1974 and 1976 NFC Championship games and against the Cowboys in the 1975 and 1978 NFC Championship games

They didn't move to Racine. They played on Racine Avenue in Chicago

Racine is a street in Chicago. The Maroon or Cardinal Red uniforms were hand me downs from University of Chicago.

Wait this isnt Tree............yet still just as entertaining. Get the enthusiasm up a bit and you really got something here man

Great video. Ka Kaw!

The St Louis Rams looks way cooler than the Los Angeles rams. Both their logo, and outfits how far greater style. It's too bad for the Los Angeles rams, that they did not bring their sense of style along with them. During their move.

THat Ricky Proehl catch was the most awesome thing that I had seen up to that point!! I was born in STL and I felt proud to be from there for the first time in a long time! LMAO

I grew up idolizing the St. Louis football Cardinals in the 1970s; probably the greatest team to not win a playoff game in that time period. After the Cardinals moved to Arizona and the Rams to St. Louis there was a rumor the Cards were considering moving again, this time to L.A. That never happened but if so the teams could have switched logos and been back where they were lol.

Nice video- always wondered what the deal with St Louis and the NFL was. Y’all really showed up for the Battlehawks, so there’s clearly an appetite for football. My only criticism is sound quality is kinda all over the place- I’m sure as you do more videos like this, you’ll work out the kinks.

At least you have the Battlehawks now. They have been really entertaining

I give my regards to the St. Louis All-Stars (1923-1923) and the St. Louis Gunners (1931-1940) The First & Second NFL Teams in St. Louis, Before The Cardinals, and the Rams.

St. Louis should have gotten an expansion team over Jacksonville

Oakland are another city that should be pissed off. Betrayed by 2 major sports teams and a 3rd on the way

Difficult to take this video seriously when St Louis originally stole the Rams from LA! You actually trusted Georgia Frontiere!😂

The Rams weren't a long time OG St Louis team to begin with. They were from Cleveland in the 1920s before they moved to LA in the 50s and were there for 40 years. The Cardinals, though I can understand. Never made sense to me why they decided to leave in the first place

East answer: just give LA the same treatment and have the chargers move to St Louis

St. Louis has been treated horribly by the NFL. I could use stronger words but I would get banned.

Technically speaking, the Saint Louis Cardinals moved to suburban Phoenix, Arizona. - First, it was Sun Devil Stadium (home of Arizona State University) in Tempe as the Phoenix Cardinals. Later, it became the Arizona Cardinals. - Now, they play at State Farm Stadium (previously known as University of Phoenix Stadium) in Glendale, Arizona.

Honestly, I dont think the Rams should've left St. Louis.

St. Louis will get another team, don't know if the Battle Hawks made the 8 team cut for UFL but if they did just show up and pack the place, that'll get the NFL wanting some of that money

I think you would enjoy the 2009 Cardinals Football book by St. Louis sports historian Greg Marecek. I am old enough that I started following the Big Red their first season in STL in 1960. Their 1964 playoff win over Green Bay was actually only a game of the runner-ups Green Bay in the West and St. Louis in the East with no advancement. This is why it is said the Big Red in St. Louis never won a playoff game. According to Greg Marecek he blamed the separate St. Louis City and County governments for not agreeing on a new football stadium location, since Bill Bidwell initially wanted to stay in STL. Bill Bidwell thought Phoenix would right away help build a new stadium but it took 18 years so they played at Arizona State all those years. The Rams are a different story. As a result of the St. Louis lawsuit it was indirectly learned approval to move was only given when Stan Kroenke signed an indemnification agreement to compensate NFL owners in the event of any St. Louis lawsuits. This overrode the NFL Relocation committee recommending to keep the Rams in St. Louis and an initial relocation vote. No way though would it have been good for Stan Kroenke to stay in St. Louis. He had already bought land for SOFI years prior and wanted the large TV market of L.A. as did Roger Goodell and a few owners such as Jerry Jones of Dallas and Hunt of Kansas City per the initial relocation vote. Much came out in a long St. Louis Post Dispatch article of what had been learned during the lawsuit a few months after settlement. St. Louis was ready to build a new stadium but needed an owner to contribute. I think an owner would have been found but an owner similar to the private investors of the new soccer team to build a new stadium committed to the STL region is key. I enjoyed your video and agree with your conclusion at the end. Also a better resolution of the Rams moving should have been awarding St. Louis an expansion team.

You think losing 2 NFL teams in your city was bad? Imagine losing both teams in one offseason, cos that's what LA went thru. And when the NFL came back 2 decades later, Angelenos already had their loyalties long established with every single other team.

What you didn’t mention is that since 2019-2020 St. Louis apparently adopted the chiefs as their team because “they are a Missouri team”. Most of the city jumped on their bandwagon. It’s a disgrace.

I haven't watched a nfl game since the Rams left 8 years ago. I refuse to watch a nfl game unless a team calls St Louis home and the stupid chiefs don't represent St Louis. The Battlehawks are my team and the entire nfl can suck it

The expansion idea is a good one, and should be considered when expansion once again becomes viable. Cities taking other cities teams is a bad idea, expansion is best.

Well put together video. I remember being in elementary school when the Cards moved to Arizona, only reason I knew was they sold NFL team pencils in the cafeteria and seeing it on them. Then I remember both LA teams leaving many years later and wasn't surprised, since LA was a terrible football town then. I did enjoy the Titans losing that Super Bowl too, as I'm from Houston and still have deep hatred for them to this day. It was even worse when we got screwed for an expansion team, since they gave it to LA initially, and only after they couldn't get an ownership group together did the Texans come into existence. Sadly the owner is a clown and finally gave up on watching them weekly in 2019, but at least they didn't move.

I thought of another example -- DC technically lost both the Twins and Rangers, although both franchises were called the "Senators" when they played in Washington, but they were two different franchises.

I was a huge Rams fan, and Isaac Bruce will always be my favorite player. What hurts the most was the way that owner trashed the city to get out. What will never make sense is that the Cardinals left because they wanted a new stadium and proceeded to play in a college stadium for 2 decades. Additionally, our hometown wouldn’t build the Cardinals a new stadium, but proceeded to build one with no official tenant just a handful of years later. Life is better as a Chiefs fan

I have a soft for the football cardinals, love the logo, the angry birds

Being from STL, I was heart broken by the Rams leaving. However, I put all of my hatred towards Kroenke. So, once he sells the team or dies, I won't have any problems with them winning.

The Rams were also in the NFC Championship vs. the Bears in '86 (after the '85 season).

What really sucked is when Jacksonville and Carolina got there expansion teams,St. Louis was a finalist that year,with a team set to be called the Stalions. If this wouldve happened it wouldve been a lot better than getting the rams,but we will always have a superbowl victory I guess

If the NFL ever wants to return St. Louis City leaders must not be involved on the stadium project. It needs to be built in East St Louis, Madison Illinois or in St. Louis County.

Look at Oakland. The Raiders were there, moved, moved back and now Vegas.

Bring back our Sonics!

The one thing I really don't understand about the Arizona Cardinals is why don't they change their name to the Desert Cardinals. They don't have any red birds in Arizona, but they do have a desert cardinal also known as a Pyrrhuloxia. That would have made for some great branding and fit in with Arizona itself.

Brady wasnt a rookie in 2001. It was his second year.