As much as that’s true, he usually gets his allies pretty damn far in the game. Ian and Memphis both made final 2, Danielle made the final 3, etc. It’s like when you’re allied with Will or Derrick. Sure at some point they will ruthlessly cut you out if you are a good player, and not Mike Boogie, but they can take you far, and provide a huge shield.
+SeanMcG They weren't anymore bitter here than they were in Season 10 against him. The reason he lost this time around is the crap he pulled leading into the finale, and during the questioning.
+Bobby S The 1st part of your statement is good but you need to watch Season 10 again. Dan took Michelle in a trip and told Keesha about it when she was evicted, if that's bad jury management then I don't know what good jury management is. He won 7-0 ffs
@@rolandgreen7484 I think Shane DEFINITELY would and could've beaten Ian...Ian was a rat and many members on the jury such as Frank,Jen and Dani wouldn't have voted for him..I think Britney,Ashley and Dan would've voted for Ian. But it would be close.
Honestly it's so disappointing how stupid and easily manipulated Danielle was. If Shane had been kept off the block by her and he had evicted Ian she would have guaranteed herself final two and at least 50k, in my opinion.
@@tonyburwell2810 Yeah she beats Dan. Most of the jury absolutely despised Dan. Frank never votes for Dan, Shane is definitely a vote for Danielle, Joe would never vote for Dan ever, Jenn votes anti Dan probably aswell, Ashley probably votes anti Dan aswell. Only votes I see for Dan are Ian and Britney.
@@misshathaway3576 She had herself to blame for trusting the most cunning and cutthroat player in the house soo.... she def needed to take a page from Jun and be just as cutthroat and just played it safe with her boyfriend.
Gianna Gamer he would have been GONE that day if dan didnt pull off a blindside simply because he felt like doing one...dan did everything he wanted to do
mckendo83 Dan was a show-off and somewhere along the line he must have figured that Danielle's dirty game made it okay to hurt her repeatedly although she was so loyal to him. He was just showing off, trying to get air time and come up with material for books and recordings later. Why he thought it was okay to be mean for the sake of mean is beyond me tho...
Marty Harold I'm cool with Dr Will, Dan, Jeff & Jordan, Britney, and Derrick. But to put Cody in the same sentence as them is insulting. Cody is a third tier player, got carried by Derrick, and made the dumbest finale move of all time by not taking Victoria with him.
Ian trying to tell Dan he's wearing the veto necklace backwards is adorable. And then at the end when he's freaking out about how the heck he's still sitting there.
Anyone who denies Dan being the greatest player of all time after this move is just biased/doesn't understand Big Brother. He has a power of persuasion unlike any other. I have watched all seasons. Dr. Will is awesome, charismatic and entertaining as hell but that is the only area in which he beats Dan. Derrick was also very good and played a quiet, strategic game but we'd have to have him on a different season to gage his skills on the same level as Will and Dan.
Difference is that will played against the best players ever in their prime while dan played against idiots who never watched the show. Will is the original reality TV villain. Without Will, BB is probably drastically different
How did Dan play with idiots who never watched the show? Maybe the first time around but Will also played with a bunch of morons in season 2. In season 14, he was playing against Mike Boogie (WINNER of allstars.. what does that say???), Janelle, Britney and a lot of superfans.
Yasmine Xo Well Season 2 was the first real season of BB so no one really knew how to play. They recruited people to play in season 14, Shane, Willie, Danielle, Frank, Jenn etc. They have been recruiting people to play for a while now. Yes Boogie, Janelle, and Brittney were vets, but Boogie and Janelle were past their primes.
Season 2 has a very underrated cast. A lot of players played like Will, Nicole, Monica, Hardy, Krista and to some extent Jeff Kent and Mike Boogie. Season 10 did not have a lot of smart players, but season 14 was even worse. Most of the newbies in s14 were recruits who had never seen the show before, and most of the newbies were either actors, or were applying for a different show. Dan beat a bunch of people who had no idea what they were getting themselves into.
+Jebus Chrust Ya but no one was going after derrick even nicole said the others needed to make big moves but i agree i would like to see derrick, will, and dan all playing together in an all starr
But Dan came in the game with a reputation and played the whole time with a target on his back. He had to play like he did just to survive and some of the jury members even said they just didn't want him to win twice
When i was watching this season I was totally rooting for Ian but now that I look back, Dan should've totally won this. He was the genius behind *most* of the evictions and he back stabbed a lot of ppl to pull them off
Ian's Jury management was 100x better than Dans though. He volunteered for so many things and people always loved him for it, and he had a strategy coming into the game and he stuck with it the entire time. I will always say he deserved his win.
@@Hi-tx2zb Cool, thanks for your reply to something I wrote 5 years ago from a game that happened almost 9 years ago. Ian still played a better game even after all this time, go figure.
Dan is the greatest player of all time. won his season, got 2nd on this one. AND, by playing completely different styles of game in each season. nobody can touch him, not even Dr. Will. Derrick too.
Gotta love Dan. He should have won, but unfortunately the majority of the jury could not see past how stupid they felt for being OUTPLAYED in a huge way by Dan. And Dan deserves even more credit for being a second time player and therefore having a huge target on his back...he did all of it while being the most entertaining! Dan greatest big brother player ever with Dr Will of course.
I think Dan surpasses Will in being the best player. I don't think Will could have done as well as he did in Season 2 if the Veto was available and I don't think he could have survived All Stars if Janelle and Boogie weren't there for him to latch on to.
+Aiden Raccoon Dr. Will dominated an all star season .He would have won if he made it to the f2. Dan played with a bunch of recruits who had never seen the show. And Dan defenetely needed Ian and danielle with him.
At 5:21 the music that plays in the background for Dan has played for only one other houseguest in BB history: Dr. Will. Even the producers knew what they were watching this season was legendary.
I loved this season. This season got me back into BB. I loved Ian and I was cheering for Ian to win when I was watching it but looking back on it, Dan should've won. Dan played a crazy game in BB14. I felt bad for Shane because I really liked Shane but this was an awesome blindside. Danielle's reaction made it so much better. It sucked that Dan lost looking back on it but if you really think about it, Dan didn't play to win. I mean he wanted to win but his gameplay wasn't winning strategy. Dan played to make it to the end, not to win. Kind of like Russell Hantz on Samoa and HvW. Ian played to win because he had better jury management skills. The most important thing is jury management skills. While Dan played a better game (his BB14 game is one of if not the greatest games ever), Ian played a smarter game. (Not smarter gameplay, smarter winning gameplay because of jury management skills + taking someone extremely hated). Dan played to make it to the end, Ian played to win. Ian played a good game, it sucks that people discredit his game because of how Dan lost.
People discredit Ian because there were various jury members who confessed that they didn't vote on who played the best game, and did more so out of spite/ bitterness. IMO the only thing you can discredit Dan for was not making people "like him enough while the knife is going in" when he stabs them in the back or does whatever he can to win. Then again I don't necessarily watch this show continuously and don't know if its _normal_ for the jury to vote on who played the game better, or against the person who got _them_ evicted in the first place. If you want a valid consensus on who played a better game, you would not have a SINGLE person who participated in that season voting, that's just plain stupid and there's always going to be some influence on who they pick based on their experience. They should replace the jury with avid fans of said season, or round up previous season players so they make a judgement without (ideally) any bias and on who performed better. /RantEnd
That wasn't even that big since they told him he was going. Season 17 better have playing people. It just irks me to think that someone who hasn't won one competition (The veto was GIVEN to her), may win $500,000.
LPlandOFazul If you would have told me that Clay and Shelli would be the next 2 houseguests evicted after Jason, I would have thought you were crazy. But I'm glad this season is getting interesting.
***** He was planning to backdoor her, but Johnny Mac won the POV and kept the noms the same because he knew his best friend in the house (Becky) would have gone up! Talk about a Double Eviction gone wrong. I loved Jackie.
Dan annoyed the hell out of me but he is a damn good player. I never understood why he yells in the DR I always felt like I was being attacked when he was on screen in the DR :D
I can't believe Danielle was dumb enough to buy into Dan's plea to pull him off...after trying to evict Shane during the double eviction, how could she not think that he'd try to do it again? I don't know, I guess she wanted to prove some loyalty to Dan but removing him because she thought maybe Shane would evict him, but still, idk. However, Dan makes a valid point in that no one would vote for him in the end because he played so cutthroat and ruthless...this was pretty much the move that sealed his own fate as runner-up...with Danielle, I think Dan would've maybe got 1 or maybe 2 votes (probably Ian and Joe's)...he'd never get Frank, Britney, Shane, or Jenn's vote cause he screwed em all over. But at the same time, Joe, Jenn, and Ashley were wild cards and heaven knows which way they'd have voted had it been Dan and Danielle in the finals
Exactly, if it was Dan and Danielle he still would have lost. Britney would have voted for Dan and Jenn would've and Ashley maybe would've too depending on how he answered her question (I don't think she liked Danielle also). Frank, Joe, Ian, Shane would for sure vote for Danielle. Dan would have only gotten 2 or 3 votes anyways.
Looking back on this season, it is a travesty Dan didn’t win. Ian is great, but Dan is on another level. His game play is absolutely ruthless, strategic, thinking two steps ahead, just a masterclass. This jury was SO bitter, and yea I get it, jury management matters and is the reason Dan lost, but my god if they looked at this from a game point and didn’t include feelings, Dan would have won unanimous.
Deserving winners of Big Brother: Dr. Will, Evel Dick, Dan, Hayden, and Rachel. I'm glad the people who think Dan is a horrible person or a selfish money grubber are not in the game. The game's definition basically goes like this: lie, cheat, steal, backstab, etc. to win $500,000. The game is a social experiment and the interesting aspect of the game comes into play when players like Dan or Will can manipulate emotions and render common sense useless to the average houseguests. It is a shame that the houseguests aren't the only ones who can't tell that the show is just a game and not a reflection on personal character.
They are often - not always, but often - interfering with twists that are designed to cater to whomever the nebulous majority of viewers likes. I am not assuming. It's not an opinion. The evidence is right there in most of the post-All Stars seasons. I'm not saying that it's outright cheating, but yes, production does allow some contestants to have advantages over others, and they don't have to admit it because it's obvious. They did it last year with Elissa, whom I actually liked a lot.
***** she learned from her first season and secured a solid alliance, won when she needed to (though 2 of her wins were due to James and Cory giving her the wins) and she was a much more deserving winner than Paul.
Dan is one of the best players but still I think he wouldn t be able to pull out this move with most of the playes that actually think ... I would love to see him in a season with Will ..it would be a clash of titans :D
***** I kinda would say that I d give him credit for pulling off thi move ..I d be like "noo they cant fall for this I mean they are not the smartest cookies but still..." and he kinda knew them wel enough to knew this could work actually . But he really didn t have so much work with getting rid of those few thinking ... I mean even the returning players...nor Janelle nor Boogie were known as the "brain" of their former alliances in previous games.
***** Will in BB2 was also a target from the very beginning. what makes it impressive is that there was no power of veto at the time. everyone wanted him out he was nominated pretty much every week and he talked his way out of getting evicted. bb7 again chill town was a target from the beginning because everyone knew how close they were how they were business partners. I mean dan in this most recent season just wasnt impressive to me. he fooled a bunch of idiots that didn't even watch the game. will vs dan would be cool but i hope it doesn't happen. they would instantly be the targets and no matter what they do or say i doubt they can get out of it. just look at janelle and boogie when they played there third season they didnt even make jury.
Here's the key difference between Steve and Ian. Steve was more aware than Ian. Ian was caught with his pants down numerous times, he was manipulated by Dan the entire season, and after Shane was blindside; he had no idea what the hell was going on. While Steve did vomit and get very nervous, he did those things in private. While he followed Vanessa and did whatever he wanted her to do, that was apart of his strategy. He knew Vanessa was a strong player, and could get him far, and the reason he did whatever she wanted him to do was because he wanted her to trust him, and wanted her to not seem him as a threat. Also, when Austin was blindsided; he pretty much knew Austin would be blindsided. The Shane and Austin blindsides were very similar. However, Steve pretty much knew Austin was going, while Ian had no idea Shane was going on. Ian had trouble breathing.
and it was steves plan to lay low the first half of the season. when that one hot girl that got hit by a train said he wasnt making moves and nominated him he said he knows and that was his plan to lay low the first half of the season. ian made dan look good in the finale but the jury was just so bitter. i dont think ian is one of the worst winners or anything because there has been some really bad winners but youre right ian was clueless as hell.
"You both backdoored me so I put you up." Um, fundamental misunderstanding of what being backdoored means, Danielle. I can't wait for Victoria to get Danielle'd tonight, hahaha.
Yeah but had he not taken Shane out, if Danielle or Shane would have won HOH then Dan would obviously be evicted and wouldn't have gotten anything. He made a smart move to at least get a little $$$. And if he had won, everyone would have still voted for Danielle to win..
Because Shane wouldn't have chosen Dan. Dan knew that and that's why he worked on Danielle, because he know that Danielle was loyal as hell and used it to his advantage.
And will played with chicken george, howie, kaiser, jase and the biggest idiot of them all marcellas... buncha bad players overall, he placed 4th that season compared to Dan's 2nd place finish here. Dan's season 10 was considerably better than Wills season 2 win also. Dan>Will.
tbh, anyone who was a good player could be considered to have played with idiots. season 6 had a lot of dumb players too, along with season 14, season 16, and season 17. yet, will, dan, derrick, and vanessa are all considered to be good players.
Dan, in my opinion, is the greatest Big Brother player of all time he's the only person to be in the house twice and never be evicted he's amazing at manipulating people he deserved to win this season! I think Ian is a good player to but people were just bitter because Dan got everyone out and didn't vote for him even though he deserved it.
Looking back. This might have actually been Dan's worst BB move. Should he have left it up to Shane and let one of the 2 idiots left take him to the end? It seems saving Ian was a reeeeeaaallly bad move.
Shane had the only vote and would have sent Dan packing. This season had problems but Ian was nothing more than a weird giant child who fell into a victory just like Andy who also won out of spite from people who lost. BTW will someone explain why Adam Poch is giving his thoughts on BB16? Adam you and Jen City are a joke...you didnt win anything, you did nothing all summer then were all upset about being 3rd? Dude your lucky they kept your ass that long.
The thing is as well is that there would be no way that Shane would have taken Dan to the final 2 if he won the last HOH and whilst there was a chance that Danielle would have done I think she would have gone with her showmance partner if she was given the choice. Getting rid of Shane did keep around Ian who was a massive jury threat but at the same time it also guaranteed Dan second place regardless of who won the final HOH
Looking back, it was a bad move but that's only because we get to see that Shane would have evicted Ian, or at least the edit really made it look that way. Dan had everything working for him to keep Ian. He made a deal with Ian to take a dive in the first comp and for Danielle to dive right after him. I just think Dan could have done better in round 3. Those were some easy questions about the other houseguests. I don't think Dan could have won against Danielle or Shane either. Both of them were well liked and had jury friends that weren't bitter. Dan should have really played up the fact that his back was against the wall the whole time and he did everything he could to get to the end. Instead he just talked about his competitiveness and how good of a player he was knocking out everybody or something like that.
Ok, I didn't watch this season. But my question is why did the female decide to use the POV on him? Why couldn't her bf just vote Ian or the other guy out? That I don't understand.
Dan convinced her to put up her bf because Dan basically said it would make him feel better. He needed to take out Shane because he was the only person he didn't have a final two deal with. Danielle just trusted Dan enough so when he told her to put up her bf she really didn't think he'd go home. And she was wrong!
+Gabby Giraffe wow. That's horrible. You would think that people would learn not to trust people. I mean its big brother. I wonder what would have happened had she gave Shade the POV. Then he would have decided. Damn, too gullible she was. Thanks for explaining.
This has been bothering me for 2 years... why would Danielle and Shane agree to pulling Dan off the block and Shane in his place? Why would they even take the risk of trusting Dan to do something Shane can just do himself (which is voting out Ian)? Shane should have just said... "Uh, why don't I just vote Ian out". You didn't need Dan to do that. Makes ZERO sense.
He told her just do what she thinks she has to do, but I don't think he really agreed to it necessarily. I do think that Danielle trusted that Dan would keep Shane MORE than Shane would keep Dan.
Yeah, remember Dan and Danielle had been working together directly for over 2 months. She had absolute faith in his strategies to keep her safe and he did keep her safe until the very end. Ian evicted her because he won the final HoH.
mendezjavi I think Dan was better than Dr. Will. In season 2, Will actually didn't do much. He won just because people hated the other girl more. In the All Star season, again, he told everybody that he refused to win any HOH's or competitions and just jacked around. He was playing more for Mike Boogie than himself. He's a plastic surgeon in California. He doesn't care about the money.
Just by Ian's obvious disbelief and re-uttering of the word "what" shows who should have won this season. Dan orchestrated the move that saved Ian's life in this game, and despite the end result it was still the best decision in the scenario he was in. Shane was definitely not taking Dan to final two but Ian and Danielle would have done so in a heartbeat. Don't get me wrong, Ian still would of been my second pick to win, but next to Dan second place should have been set in stone. Unfortunate a bitter jury had to come in the way of making history and giving the crown to the rightfully deserved.
Dustin Gabe I’m pretty sure the houseguests agreed on something stupid like they won’t vote for a vet to win, Dan would’ve lost to anyone in the final 4, his best shot was against Jenn
Dustin Gabe He definitely was not going to beat Shane in the jury, and there was a slim chance he would beat either Danielle or Shane in the final HOH competition. Even if Danielle won, she was most likely taking Shane, not Dan. That’s a 1/3 chance of making it to Final 2, not 2/3. With Danielle + Ian in Final 3, he’s basically guaranteed to make it to the finale. You have to be a moron to think this is a bad move.
Ian won because Brittany was going around the Eviction Household telling people that Dan was a snake and Ian deserved to win. It's kind of like when the loudest and most persuasive trial juror convinces a group of undecided jurors to go one way. They shouldn't allow the jurors to discuss who should/shouldn't win (just like the HOH can't explicitly say who is going on the block). Either that or just sequestered them individually.
@@randomtees Girl what?? Britney was literally the only one speaking for Dan when he would get ridiculed. There was just a jury pact not to vote a returning player to win. Britney would’ve voted for him next to anybody else but her and Ian were extremely close.
Say whatever you want about Danielle but she wouldn't even be in the final 3 if it wasn't for Dan. I would've trust him too.\ he is my former coach and saved my ass countless time.
Haha I remember watching this live and laughing at how clueless Shane and Danielle was being so happy going to the final 3. And then one of the best blindsides I have ever seen.
All sympathies aside for the players, the reason the ending to this season was so epic was both because of how blindsided Danielle got, and then, how Dan didn't even win!
Hate to bring politics into it but I really liked Danielle and didn't care for Dan doing her so dirty but then I found out she was a lot more meaner than her edit and she's a huge MAGA weirdo so now I can watch these scenes with some joy lol
So, let’s get this straight: Danielle wins HOH Dan tells her to put him on the block to make Shane feel completely comfortable with her. Danielle wins POV Dan tells Danielle to talk to Shane about possibly using the POV on him Knowing she has been screwed by Dan twice before, she STILL obliges and entertains the idea. Shane agrees because he feels completely comfortable with Danielle. Danielle uses the POV on Dan, leaving Shane as the only eligible replacement NOM. Dan tells Danielle to look at her hands then look up and sticks the DAGGER right into Shane, unapologetically with a straight face like the true GOAT that he is. Yep, that sounds about right! 😳
My favourite moment of that season. The funeral was good, but this was so awesome to see another legendary Dan POV speech along with Danielles jaw drop and Ian have a panic attack.
The move was awesome but made 0 sense. Shane went from being the only vote to giving dan the only vote. He could have guaranteed Ian going home if that's what he wanted they didn't need Dan to do anything 🤷
Funniest thing about this season is how obviously they tried rigging it for Dan. But then the game broke out in such a way that all of their riggory ended up almost hanging him instead. AND DESPITE THIS, Dan still makes it to the end cause hes that good.
Every time I'm having a bad day I just think back to this and am thankful I wasn't Shane during this. One of the most humiliating exits in Big Brother.
7:18 If I where in Shane's shoes, this is how that conversation would have gone. Danielle: If I took Dan off the block, he would trust that you and me aren't that close and that me and him are good again. Shane: What did you do to make him think that you two are on bad terms? Danielle: Dan will definitely save you, because he's so sick of Ian he can't see straight. Shane: As the veto holder, you are allowed to do what you want, but here is why I would you you to leave the nominations in tact. During his only HOH, Dan nominated you. He almost nominated me, until you talked him out of it.
I will never forget when they interviewed Janelle about two weeks before this and she said ‘If Dan Gheelisng doesn’t win this game it will be an absolutely travesty’. And she was right. This is an absolute travesty that he didn’t win. The biggest robbery in this entire series. He’s the best to ever play this game and should have this win.
