Seems to me you answered your own question your right foot is more of a problem than the car! That's not a criticism just an observation if everybody put their cars in chill mode or equivalent in other brands we would use a lot less tires, just wouldn't have as much FUN! Cheers
I got over 50k out of the original tires, I'm at 68k now and the insides have def worn down and it's time to get new ones. The middle of tread still have life left in it amazingly but not much haha. I drive mostly on the highway and I'm not doing a lot of stop starting and flooring the pedal every chance I get.
Remember the drivers that would try to get the most mileage out of their ice vehicles and they would actually do techniques such as coasting downhills without accelerating things like this.I wonder if those same techniques can be applied to the EVs
I got these for my wife's Model 3 back in October. They were a nice improvement all around from the oem tires. I ordered them through Discount Tire and when I went in for the appointment they were excited since they had never seen these specific tires before and the manager said they had everything you would want in a tire. I believe he said they were like the Cadillac of tires.
"there's no engine on an EV so it's going to be louder" but I think he meant "everything will be so quiet on an EV that tires are the only noise left to hear"
Just replaced the tires on our 2019 Tesla Model 3 Long Range RWD after they lasted almost 60,000 miles! Got over $400 off the new set as these tires have an 80,000 mile warranty, and unlike most brands, they actually honor the warranty and give you free money towards the new set if they wear out before the warranty. If you're curious what tires I have, I made a video about the tires I use on my RU-vid. They increase our range with low-rolling resistance, and they wore evenly too 😎
One of the biggest issues I've noticed is typically people who buy and drive EVs are typically the opposite of a "car guy" so things like tire pressures is never addressed by EV owners, they just get in and drive and wonder why their tires are prematurely worn. When we picked up our model Y and 3 the pressures were set at 43 psi which makes sense because higher pressure is normal for heavier vehicles. I believe the sticker on the door calls for 42 PSI which is 10 PSI higher than your typical ICE car. Something an ICE driver has to adjust too in heavier vehicles. I've kept our tires at 43 to 44 PSI and the tire wear is almost flat across the tread. Both cars are at 12,000 miles now so Ill be rotating the tires again this weekend. Also tire pressure goes up and down dramatically with the climate so always stay on top of your pressures. Tire pressure and proper alignment will keep your tires from wearing as badly on the inside edge like the examples in this video regardless of tire brand.
Same here I am up to 35,000 Miles on my model 3 Tyre pressure kept between 42 - 45 PSI and the wear is pretty even, and I have never rotated, still about another 10,000 miles left I think.
"...typically people who buy and drive EVs are typically the opposite of a "car guy"..." A rather broad brush there. Some of us know quite a bit and are just tired of hassling with maintenance on smoggy engines, especially as we get older.
@@DefundTheFringes Of course but from the questions I see asked in forums and groups a lot of EV folks are completely mechanically challenged when it comes to cars. Seems like a much higher percentage than ICE drivers.
@@MikesProjectsandHobbiesMC A model 3 and bmw 3 series weigh about the same. Look it up. Both are lighter than the same size benz. Tire wear is related to the way a car is driven.
I've got 35k on my original set of tires with probably 20-30k left. I'm in chill mode most of the time, very normal tire life even compared to ice cars.
I’ve got 36,000 miles on my OEM tires within 15 months. I’ve got good tread left and even tire wear. I drive on chill and 60 percent of my travel is highway.
Just got the Hankook Ion Evo SUV for our Model Y long range and so far love them. Rides very planted/quiet and love that they have a 50K mile warranty because my factory Good Year tires (trash) lasted less than 24K which was a shocker. TIP: Get your model Y tire rotation every 5-6K and wheel alignment checked every 6 months because bad alignment will chew through your tires fast and unevenly.
Tesla is the best car company ever! No gas stations, No oil changes, No smog check, No corrupt dealership, No catalytic converter and faster than a $650,000 Lamborghini!
..and the joy of making everyone else fund your false climate virtue signaling through a government tax subsidy, which is going mostly to people making over 6 figures! Joy! Oh, and don't forget the slave labor to mine the minerals for your batteries. Thanks for making me pay for it.
A 3 or Y is about the same weight as fossfuel bmw 3 series, and lighter than the same size benz. Easy to look up. It's how you drive. Ev's have a lot of beans to have fun with.
Seriously why do tesla owners all parot the lie that teslas weigh more than ice cars. Please check the curb weight of trailblazer or even hyundai santa fe. They are the same dam weight!
Took your advice and switched to hankook tires after needing to replace my 2nd set of tires at 19,000 miles. In addition Tesla replaced my knuckles on my vehicle. After 7500 miles I saw hardly any wear on my third set of tires. Thanks, at least I know it wasn’t my driving.
The factory tires (Continental) on my M3 AWD with the acceleration package lasted 37K miles. I made the mistake of never checking the car alignment, and if I had, those tires would've lasted at least 42K miles. All of them were also repaired after some punctures. Now the car is running on Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4 Performance, amazing tires they don't have foam and the noise reduction is so much better than the Continental with foam in them. The car is close to 49 k miles no issues and happy with the performance specially on raining conditions
I have almost 40K miles on my model 3. I am still on the original tires. I just had them rotated and was told that the still do not need to be replaced. I am finding that if you drive sensibly the tires don't wear out much faster than on my ICE car. So just because we have all that torque, doesn't mean we need to use it.
If you compare a Model Y to a BMW X4 coupe (about the same size), the X4 ICE is actually 6Kg HEAVIER than the model Y (depending on X4 engine size). So the fallacy that EV's are heavier has NOTHING to do with tire wear. It is solely (pun) the drivers right foot. BUT... There is a solution... Set your Model Y to CHILL MODE, and it immediately reduces the power by 30% meaning that your tires should last at least 30% LONGER ! And you don't have to change the way you drive (but it also helps if you do that too). My Model Y rwd still has plenty of meat on the tires after 42,000 km...
All this generalisation. My EV is actually lighter than the car that preceded it. Sure, it is smaller (on the outside) but that is part of going green. My tyres are @ 50k km and will go for another +/- 30k km (total of 50k miles). My service fee is $7 per 30k km for wheel weights and my energy consumption is $30 from fast chargers as home charging is solar and free.
The consensus seems to be those complaining about “EV tire wear” came from smaller underpowered cars. I agree, coming from a BMW, there is no tesla tire wear.
Some brands offer mileage warranties which come in very handy as you burn through tires. With regen, an EV is always either applying motive traction or braking when regenerating. It is always under a fore or aft traction load, and the weight of the car is more than most ICE cars, so tire wear is always an issue with EVs, even with a light foot or even on a Bolt.
I have the original Goodyear tires on my Model Y non EV tires and I have 30K plus on them. No wear pattern at all. But the new Goodyear EV tires are much better than the Hankook tires in road test proformed by Tire Rack.
How well would these same tires be on a conventional gasoline vehicle? Would they tend to last longer as well as providing a much quieter ride inside the cabin etc?
People's right foot, and checking pressures makes far more of a difference. And EVS are only about 10% heavier, so that's not such a big factor. We have a MY Performance, and the Michelin tread is only approx 50% worn after 40,000km (25,000 miles). That's with zero rotations in that time.
If you drive like a maniac then your tires wear, it’s how that works. Maybe try chill mode a little more often and you’ll be surprised how long tires can actually last.
Nice to see some other tire manufacturers getting into this space. The Pilot Sport 4S with the Tesla sound deadening treatment that came on my new Model S Plaid were incredibly quiet, but they also got destroyed WAY too quickly. I know I can do the camber link kits on the car, but I'd much rather just find a quiet, grippy tire that can get the job done.
The Hankook Evo are great tires. I only use these tires on my EV’s since I’ve had such a positive experience with them. If you ever see a set on sale at one of your local tire shops on a holiday or something, or just want a great tire, you might give these a try.
Thanks Kim for the helpful video, which helped confirm that Hankook ION EV AS will be the next tires for my Y. By the way, tirerack just did a great video comparing EV and non EV tires and their comment on the ION EV AS was "A mixed bag that shines in the right situations while leading in efficiency."
In Australia: I get my wheel alignment checked and adjusted every three months, plus they put nitrogen in the tyres instead of normal air. The tyre place offers free nitro top up any time but because nitrogen is a larger molecule, I never have to adjust the tyre pressure ever.
Hard rubber last the longest. This means higher mileage stated for that brand. The down side is they aren’t very sticky and you have to adapt to them. Rain can be tricky as well.😊
EV specific tires have so much more built in catering to your cars extra torque, cabin quietness, etc. would definitely consider EV specific tires when vs others when the time comes.
I bought these last December for a road trip from Florida to Maine for my 2023 M3P and I can't believe the added range. They are a lot greasier than the Pirelli's that came with it but for daily driving, they are great. I have Michelin's new EV tires on my wife's Y and haven't noticed any range increase or durability difference yet. Will probably get Hancook for her's next.
I've had a Model Y for 3.5 years and got 50,000 miles on the original stock tires. I have the 19 inch whees and the tires last longer than the larger wheels even though I do plenty of quick acceleration.
A rough rule of thumb averaged across Teslas is that tires cost approx. half as much as energy, even accounting for 20% greater wear over comparable ICE car tires. 240 wh/mile at $0.25 per KwH is 6 cents a mile. Assuming 1000 for a set of 4 tires installed and balanced that last 33000 miles is 3 cents a mile. You can save by shopping on line and avoiding Stealerships and tire stores.
Ouch that KwH coat is harsh. We are seeing about half of that here. We do have an older MX so we don't quite see that level of efficiency (320 KwH mer mile unless it's really cold out) but we still get around 7-9 cents per mile on average.
I buy the cheapest tires that will fit my model 3 lr 2021 ($80) I can buy 2 or more of these compared to $250 or more for the EV tires. The $80 are a little noisier, last 25k miles.
I owned a 2015 Chrysler 200C with Hankook Tires. With fewer than 28000 miles, three of the four tires were defective showing belt/ply separation. I will always avoid this brand of tire since I never experienced this on any of the 30+ cars I've owned.
These were actually the next ones I was going to get. I had Hankook on the day i picked up my model3 and I enjoyed them a lot. My old hankook tires were definitely quieter and gripped the road much better. I road them almost bold because I loved them so much. Hopefully these ion tires can match it.
In my experience of driving all kinds of ice cars then 3 Teslas I've looked for tire ware but have not yet noticed any difference other than less ware than some of the ice cars.
I did not have to replace my tires once in my MS. I replaced my car with less than 20K miles in 4 years with a new refreshed MS! This strategy works if you put fewer miles on your car.
My 2020 M3 LR had 35K miles on it with at least 5K left when I traded it for my 2023 MY LR. My solution: slow down for the curves! You can always catch up on the straitaways!
9db reduction in tire road noise is huge and a noticeable improvement of road noise, these tires along with the new model 3 engineered noise reduction should make the new model 3 fairly quiet.
I’m coming up on 42,000 miles on the original tires on my Tesla model Y long range and will probably get 50k. Part of the equation has to do with how you drive. I also rotate them myself every approximately 8K
Really great video and good info, however there ''where to buy '' location link from Hankook, reveals you can't buy the tire on the West Coast directly, so now, it's a matter of worrying if someplace local to your specific location, is competent to know if these tires are a match for your specific make and model car ? Why is there no ''matching make and model '' search engine on the Hankook website, for example to know if your 2019 Chevy Bolt or your 2022 Kia NIRO EV are compatible ?
Must say my factory fitted Hankooks are looking at going 70000km (43000 miles) on our Model 3 LR. Also even wear with regular rotations.. Will definitely look at the ions next time
While there may be some true information here, the real reason teslas go through tires is poor alignment. Air suspension on model s and x changes the alignment as it goes up and down. My model 3 performance tires lasted 50k simply because I kept the camber in check. You don't need any fancy tires.
Just ordered a set of 4 via Tire Rack for just under $1100 delivered to my local shop. TR would do the full install for about $200, but I rather go with my local garage. "Free" Road Hazzard but we will see what that actually gets.
We have the Hankook iON evo AS SUV on our 2022 Model Y. So far I am happy with them. They are not as sticky as the Michelin Sport AS tires that I had on there, but those wore out in a year and had something like 25K miles. I feel like these Hankook tires work well and use a bit less energy. The part about EV's being much heavier isn't correct though. I think they gave you incorrect data. I think it is the torque that makes tires wear out quicker on EV's. Google says a 2024 Model Y curb weight is listed as 4,154 to 4,398 lbs, our 2024 Atlas Cross Sport is listed as 4,173 to 4,359 lbs, our 2012 Odyssey is listed as 4,337 to 4,560 lbs and our 2005 Yukon is 4,975 to 5,543 lbs, but is a larger vehicle. Our 2022 Model Y is listed at 4,386 lbs. Thank you for all of your content!
I'm running Michelin Pilot Sport 5 and Pirelli Sottozero 3 rn in my Model 3,great tyres, but I want to try out the new Hankook iONs when my tyres are done for apparently consumption goes down by up to 10% with these, wamna see that for myself, currently at 160Wh/km ~260wh/mile, when I drive highway at around 120kph/75mph with 69 kWh remaining capacity, so 10% would make a noticeable difference.
Yes, 'tis true: tires are expensive, and inevitably need replacing. The were not the most costly out-of-pocket expense with my previous Model 3, however. That was the repair bill to replace the PCS in the HV Battery Service Panel -which Tesla refuses to cover under its HV Battery Warranty. Tsk. What you shared about Hankook is helpful, and maybe I'll consider them when my new EV's tires wear thin.
i just switched from michelin CC2 to this tires. so far, it’s far quieter than the CC2. also the cc2 didn’t fit the correctly. left a gap between the bead and the rims that’s very noticeable
Is the hankook worths $40-60 each more than other tires ? $240 more for a set . I'm personally interested and had plan on swapping out to these. I'm currently at 6/32 @38k . Unsure if I can justify the increase for minimal increase
Very professional and informative video! Do we call you Lead foot Java(s) now? I think it would be good to point out in future tire videos that driver behavior (no names mentioned) does play a huge role in tire wear! I have a 2018 model 3 and have squeezed almost 80,000 miles out of the front two tires and got about 60,000 miles from the rear. Needless to say I’m definitely not as fun as the Javas though! I think everything you say is true, however I’d argue that the main cause of increased tire wear in EVs in general is due to the super fun nature of the driving experience unleashing our inner Andretti’s and thus frequent pit stop tire changes ensue…. Wouldn’t the same be true of a high performance gas car?
Smaller wheels, cheaper tires, if you don't need to be cool like everyone else. There's no way around the cost of window washer fluid and air fresheners.
20-25K for stock tires is nothing new. Before getting my 2 EVs, my past 5 cars were ICE models and purchased new…the crap tires manufacturers used on these only lasted about 20K to 25K miles as well (these would not have been considered economy level cars either). Even expensive replacement tires do not last as long as ones made 10-15+ years ago. TBH, some of this is because people unwisely desire (and car manufacturers push your towards) bigger wheels. Not only are you sacrificing ride quality and noise reduction, but more direct lateral and inertial force while driving stresses and weakens the tire compounds (poor road surfaces or bad inflation habits don’t help either).
Must be driving like a Pussycat...44k and tread still available. Maybe a late fall replacement at 50k. I hate the foam...most tire places won't patch if they get flat in my area.
0:55 mostly, it's the torque, but not if you don't use it. I suppose if you drive everywhere at 80+ on the highway, brake and accelerate hard everywhere and take corners and turns like you're being pursued by assassins from the cartels, then yeah, you can wear out your tires pretty fast, and I understand the temptation, what with the power and handling characteristics of a Tesla, anyway. So, I drive in CHILL mode at speeds approximating the speed limit, suppress my urge to fling my Model Y around turns, and rotate the tires every 6k miles or so; I'm hoping to get 30K or 40K on my first set of tires... we'll see, I'm only up to 12K (well, 11,993 miles), so far and I can see some wear -- maybe I'm not as gentle around curves as I could be ...