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The Biggest Lie of All: You Can Live Forever on a Paradise Earth 

Surviving Paradise
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Eight million+ Jehovah's Witnesses base their entire lives on the belief that they may never die and will live forever on a paradise earth, complete with pet elephants, perfect food, perfect health and surrounded by generations of their resurrected family members. The Governing Body commands them to sacrifice immediate happiness to spread this 'message' to billions of people not yet baptized into the religion. But there's a problem: the Bible never mentions a paradise earth hope... and neither did their king, Jesus Christ during his visit to earth. Jesus forgot all about this 'hope'... until 1935. Join us as we unpack the lie that steals time … and lives...
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@freddyray6805
@freddyray6805 Год назад
My dad used to fall asleep when studying that book with me 😂😂😂. I was such a good little jw that I carried on the study by myself as he snored.
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
WOW! Freddy we were the same kid...some false sense of duty we had!
@vusimngomezulu2500
@vusimngomezulu2500 2 дня назад
​@@survivingparadisepodcastWhich church are preaching the gospel of the kingdom around the world to all nations as Jesus Christ said? Matthew 10:16, 24:14, 28:19-20, Mark 13:10, if not only only only the Jehovah's witnesses..
@vusimngomezulu2500
@vusimngomezulu2500 2 дня назад
Which church are preaching the gospel of the kingdom around the world to all nations as Jesus Christ said? Matthew 10:16, 24:14,28:19-20,Mark 13:10, if not only only only the Jehovah's witnesses..
@Yappy2099
@Yappy2099 Год назад
Just have to say, I left the organization a few months ago after being in it for my whole life (21 years) and I wanna just thank you for covering this topic and many other important things but in a way that can make us all laugh. So many moments you had me absolutely dying of laughter. You made this difficult transition a little bit easier:) thanks again
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
Thank you Yappy! That means a lot, I try to have some laughs! I'm so glad you got OUT!
@jsure8786
@jsure8786 11 месяцев назад
Hey how are you feeling now being out of the cult 😊?
@christinesotelo7655
@christinesotelo7655 7 месяцев назад
Oh good for you! Congratulations! Yeah, you’re young and will bounce back. You may go through a grief process and feel some uncomfortable feelings. That’s pretty normal. You’ve got a beautiful life ahead of you! It took courage and strength to get on out! ❤
@96t5wagon
@96t5wagon Год назад
I can’t even count how many times I shook my head during this episode. So much time, so much damn time wasted. What’s even more disturbing is that the literature was right under my nose, all I had to do was read and understand it for myself. Damn shame… Thanks for another sobering but truly insightful episode Stacey.
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
Be kind to yourself 96.....right there with you. I taught this stuff, studied this stuff.....and was sucked in like everyone else. We almost have to let go of the time we have lost....
@christinesotelo7655
@christinesotelo7655 7 месяцев назад
@@survivingparadisepodcasttrue but it’ll pop up in a nightmare when least expected: grinning women, scowling elders all chasing you down with machine guns shaped like their old green Bibles. Magazines flying through the air like crows trying to peck your eyes out...😂😢😮
@joniroylance8729
@joniroylance8729 6 месяцев назад
All,of this was taught in prophecies from the Old Testament! Read your Bible and check out all scriptures!
@joniroylance8729
@joniroylance8729 6 месяцев назад
Satan at it again., Many Adam and Eves here being deceived ……again! 🤔😢
@96t5wagon
@96t5wagon 6 месяцев назад
@@joniroylance8729 what are you talking about?
@georgebrown8312
@georgebrown8312 Год назад
Thank you, Stacey, for exposing another lie of the Watchtower Society. It is astounding how that cult uses the promise of paradise on earth to raise the hopes of their followers. Imagine how many people put their dreams on hold to serve in that so-called religion.
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
There is a such a trail of broken lives. It's pure evil. Thanks for listening George!
@leejohnson6328
@leejohnson6328 Год назад
Evolution is defeated
@karenmoody2763
@karenmoody2763 Год назад
My mother did and also caused so much dysfunction in her children and recently passed away waiting for the new earth😢 Passed at the age of 97
@jacobsoet
@jacobsoet Год назад
Lies? Take a good look at the bible itself! Jesus dies promise a paradise restored. Where was the paradise if adam and Eve? It eas right here on earth, isn't it? So paradise us here on EARTH! Why would a resurrection be needed if everybody goes to heaven uf you die? Then it would not make any sense, right? Where did Lazarus come from after he was resurrected by Jesus after being dead fir 4 dats? From where? Heaven? Hell? He simply did not exist for he died already. Why did he not have stories about what happened to him in that period? Because he couldn't have any, as wgen you die your memories are gone too. Where was ge resurrected? Again, as a human being here on EARTH. Ut is therefore not strange that I believe in a resurrection here on this earth. What must i do in heaven? Tell me, what wiuld be the purpose of that? Where in the bible us stated that our destination is heaven? Jehivah God created the earth fir us to live in and to enjoy!
@jacobsoet
@jacobsoet Год назад
I think ALL of you dhould reread the bible itself. The bible is very clear about the purpose for humankind. It are the churches who mislead you by saying that you will go to heaven uf you are a good person or to hell
@heatherwillson4862
@heatherwillson4862 Год назад
For me...I can get over the fact that I wont live forever. Im not that important. I can see the natural circle of life going on around me...& sadly, it includes death. (I am plagued by the fact that I think getting old & death itself is BARBARIC! I challenge everyone to visit an old folks "home".) What gets me the most is seeing the horrific wastage of life! Mine...& so many others! Entire lifetimes. Not living. Waiting. For...nothing. Human sacrifices! Epic tragedy. If a believer were to live a normal life, being a decent human, doing work that benefits all, work that fulfills their personal talents & vision, I could live with it. What damaging lies.
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
SO much to discuss isn't there Heather??! A reality that hits you hard when you leave JW's. I now listen to elderly folks....let them tell me what it's important!
@ingramwright5399
@ingramwright5399 Год назад
Waiting...for nothing. That's about it.
@karenmoody2763
@karenmoody2763 Год назад
I truly feel this isn't it . Maybe reincarnation is a real thing I just can't believe you die and decay in the earth .I truly believe we have a spirit that continues on
@ingramwright5399
@ingramwright5399 Год назад
@@karenmoody2763 I have lost loved ones, too painful to for me to speak about. (If I don't talk about it, then it didn't happen...right?) In my heart of hearts, I have to believe we will be reunited in some way. I do not believe in the Bible, or a God, but as you, I have to believe there is something else.
@ingramwright5399
@ingramwright5399 Год назад
Same here with the research, but different conclusion. I'd rather know there is no proven God, than believe there is one, just sitting back watching all the carnage.
@alishaschafer3069
@alishaschafer3069 Год назад
Thank you so much for this!! Love how you broke this down! I wish my jw family would listen to this! Would save them years of heartbreak. I’m 8 yrs out and you described so accurately what it feels like waking up to this lie. This is the one thing that I’m still hung up on-my mortality. I remember as a child and even as an adult, our family would see cemeteries and I would feel so relieved to know that that was something that didn’t apply to us, a place we’d never be, as we were never going to die! Recovery from such a horrific lie is slow and painful. In fact, in seeking help to recover from the cult, they diagnosed me with PTSD. Yeah, brutal doesn’t even begin to describe the impact of their lie. But like you said, while some may not completely recover, the blow does seem to lessen with time.
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
Thank you Alisha! Believe me, I've had the same experience and there is no easy way to face it once you realize it was all a lie. There are still tough days. I'm so glad you're out and I'm a HUGE fan of therapy for ex-JW's. There is so many things to figure out and the emotions.......big. So glad you're OUT!!
@kentelley4589
@kentelley4589 Год назад
@ronhansen8471
@ronhansen8471 Год назад
The JW organization never said we would not die. Death is the punishment for sin. Christ Jesus paved the way for us to live forever provided we follow the rules. God's people who are alive at Armageddon will never have to die but must survive God's Day. All the unrighteous and righteous who have died will be resurrected here on earth under the rulership of Jesus Christ. (Acts 24:15) And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous." All those who become Jesus Christ bride class will live as priest and kings in heaven for the benefit of all humans on earth. If you all think this a horrific lie you probably need to take it up with the Creator.
@jsure8786
@jsure8786 11 месяцев назад
​@@ronhansen8471what rules? There is only one thing one must do to be saved.
@ronhansen8471
@ronhansen8471 11 месяцев назад
@@jsure8786 We have two roads to follow one is narrow and cramped the other is wide and spacious. Which road must we take to be saved? Why does the bible state that endurance is needed to be saved? The law of a Christian is love. What does it mean to love another? If a Christian commits an act of gross immorality what then? A Christian cannot use God's kindness as an excuse for loose conduct. (2 Timothy 2:3-5) As a fine soldier of Christ Jesus, take your part in suffering adversity. 4 No man serving as a soldier involves himself in the commercial businesses of life, in order to gain the approval of the one who enrolled him as a soldier. 5 And even in the games, anyone who competes is not crowned unless he has competed according to the rules. Christians are likened to soldiers wearing armour. (Ephesians 6:11-13) Put on the complete suit of armor from God so that you may be able to stand firm against the crafty acts of the Devil; 12 because we have a struggle, not against blood and flesh, but against the governments, against the authorities, against the world rulers of this darkness, against the wicked spirit forces in the heavenly places. 13 For this reason take up the complete suit of armor from God, so that you may be able to resist in the wicked day and, after you have accomplished everything, to stand firm. Why do Christian need to wear a suit of armor if once saved always saved? Why can there be wickedness in the congregation?
@Deo_on2
@Deo_on2 Год назад
This is the only time in my life I can remember looking forward to Monday morning. Great episode per usual.
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
Thanks Deo....Monday's are tough :)
@jacquefrancis6744
@jacquefrancis6744 Год назад
Your podcast is a one-word, classic 👌. Keep them coming. From Nairobi, Kenya. Kind regards. Thank you, Stacey
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
Thanks so much Jacque! I'd love to visit your country!
@jacquefrancis6744
@jacquefrancis6744 Год назад
In Swahili, we say Karibu sana. Much welcomed
@dantoinettetaylor1663
@dantoinettetaylor1663 Год назад
Kenya is the real paradise on Earth 😂
@alansibuoroyugi1120
@alansibuoroyugi1120 Год назад
Nice to see another Kenyan here
@dantoinettetaylor1663
@dantoinettetaylor1663 Год назад
Stacey, this 1935 convention was when they decided that only the 144,000 could partake of the memorial emblems. Such a disgrace. For professing Christians this unique rite is what makes them CHRISTIAN!
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
YES! The Judge changed everything!
@jsure8786
@jsure8786 11 месяцев назад
I can't explain how thrilled I was when it was time to partake of the bread and wine after trusting Jesus as my Lord and Savior. I literally felt as if I had been set free.
@asherasky8147
@asherasky8147 Год назад
Great exposition on this topic, this is certainly information that many need to hear and come to understand. It's certainly one of the many topics that can be difficult for many to swallow.
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
Thanks Ashera, it's true....I'm inching my way to discussing the damage it causes and what we can only hope to do about it
@denishartley3828
@denishartley3828 Год назад
Another superb expose into Watchtowers teachings of living forever on a paradise earth, which falls apart like a cheap suit under the slightest examination. Love all your podcasts, and your reasoning ability!
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
Thanks a ton Denis!! Appreciate you!
@PerfumeCognac
@PerfumeCognac Год назад
Long comment incoming. I had to stop this video about 16 min in because I knew I wasn’t emotionally ready to hear it yet. Now that I’ve been able to come back to it I appreciate this so much that I sent it to my therapist as this is something we’ve worked thru extensively. The concept of lost time is something I struggled with even as a true believer and the message of “this is only temporary” weaved it’s way into my psyche so deep that it’s grip has been the hardest concept to pry off of my subconscious mind. We have never been taught what it is to TRULY live because it was discouraged to do so. Everything being dictated by some distant future outcome. I can’t remember a time without worry that anything I love, anything I enjoy will be gone one day and now that I’m out, I feel like I started life in the middle of the game with half the materials and instructions of everyone else and I have half the time to finish playing it. Sometimes I would look at my boyfriend and think about how much I love him and I would start tearing up out of nowhere at the thought that one day he will be gone, to the point that I would get severe anxiety if he joked about getting old and his knees being bad lol. It sounds so silly but it makes sense when you look at the message that’s been drilled into a lot of us since birth. Once we wake up and heal from the more surface levels of our trauma it’s important that we work to uproot those “beliefs” we know intellectually are false but that are so ingrained in us from years of programming that we may not realize where they are affecting us psychologically. Look objectively at your behaviors and relationships and look for ways that trauma may be manifesting that you may not even be aware of. A high control group doesn’t survive this long without being VERY good at what they do, don’t underestimate the level of programming that we have experienced. I can’t recommend EMDR enough for working thru this. I am still a work in progress but so much lighter mentally and emotionally. It’s unfair that we are all little wobbly baby deer legged adults trying to figure out this life with half the support and preparation most others get. But the truth is that “Paradise” is right here right now, wherever you are. Your life starts now, don’t waste another moment waiting for forever! ❤
@lh1673
@lh1673 Год назад
Well said! I’m from other country but as jw we have same trauma, trauma that will not go away cuz of the control we had😢But I was lucky one able to be free easily from the thinking of “what if I’m wrong”. I researched and research this org. It was there, but was blinded. Hope all will see it! Thank you for an educational comment.
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
outstanding!! Thank you for sharing this Perfume! The trauma is VERY real! I love that people are seeking help and comfort for what is very evil tactics by the Governing Body. This is especially true for anyone raised from childhood in JW's. Trust me, I get emotional discussing many of these subjects!
@user-vo4wc2jz8g
@user-vo4wc2jz8g Год назад
My mom died when i was young & my dad used her resurrection as leverage to keep me as a Jehovah's Witness almost all my life 😑
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
I'm SO sorry B!! Terrible on every level. Huge (((HUGS))) to you for all you've been through
@user-vo4wc2jz8g
@user-vo4wc2jz8g Год назад
@@survivingparadisepodcast aww thanks! 🤗
@julieellis2076
@julieellis2076 Год назад
The whole of the new testament was meant for the 144,000 when you think of it. It was a closed book to us 😢 I guess that's why they quote from the old testament so much. I'm glad you bring up Isa 65 and get it into the context. Good video Stacey 😊
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
Thanks Julie! Oh yes, they LOVE the OT... it's perfect for modern day Pharisees!
@randyg.7940
@randyg.7940 Год назад
khakis, jehovah approved!!!!
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
LOL, always!
@pennybeeflower
@pennybeeflower Год назад
Right. We have to pay for the time we spent propagating lies, even as children, because for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Some call it karma or the law of cause and effect. That's why it's so good to spend as much time, exposing and proving what the watchtower owners, truly are, as we spent as children/youth/adults so we have the good effects sooner.
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
YES! I personally feel that we have to alert others to this trap. I stayed away for years, but last year my mind changed. Warn others.
@yogi19581
@yogi19581 Год назад
How did we ever fall for this paradise business.
@DesertShadowWarriorQueen
@DesertShadowWarriorQueen Год назад
Because it was too good to pass up.
@georgebrown8312
@georgebrown8312 Год назад
It is just like medical quackery in a way; it has been used to raise the hopes of people are looking for relief from their troubles on earth.
@jeffreyl5151
@jeffreyl5151 Год назад
Because they were selling you a concept not facts or truth.
@catladyjai1113
@catladyjai1113 Год назад
It never made sense to me. Why not have the "paradise" be now? Why have all this suffering and waiting? If God makes no mistakes, then how come there's a do over for "this system of things"?
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
Ugh, same question. It's brutal. And so many decades buying into it. We all gotta lean on each other.....because it's tough once you realize it.
@karenmoody2763
@karenmoody2763 Год назад
Even though I was born in I really always had questions about this doctrine and the fact they called other Christian religion false and wicked but even as a child I just didn't see all worldly people as being evil .
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast 10 месяцев назад
You weren't alone Karen!
@BlackFlagHeathen
@BlackFlagHeathen Год назад
I’ve never actually been a JW myself but I used to go to the public Sunday meeting with my JW relatives occasionally, mostly just to placate them, and because, ya know, family. I’ll never forget the time I was sitting near my great aunt and cousins in the Kingdom Hall before the meeting started and my six year-old little cousin was kind of bouncing around excitedly talking about how she was gonna be an elder in paradise, kinda just being a little kid. My great aunt kind of touched her and stopped her from bouncing and told her, “No no honey girls can’t be elders, not even in paradise.” This was her grandmother! When my cousin asked her why not, my great aunt told her because Jehovah made boys to be leaders and he made girls to listen to boys. Yeah some fuckin paradise. 🤬
@BlackFlagHeathen
@BlackFlagHeathen Год назад
This was actually one of the last meetings I ever attended. I had also noticed by this point that my JW relatives would always turn down our non-JW relatives’ invitations to their churches and church functions, but they expected us to go the Kingdom Hall with them! I already knew well before this that I could never actually be a JW, but this one of the events that made me realize that I didn’t even want to attend meetings anymore, not even to make my relatives happy. Why would I want to live in their “paradise earth” if this is how they treat women and girls? Speaking of which, I’ve always hated dresses and skirts anyway, can’t stand the thought of having to wear them regularly, and I’d long since realized I probably wasn’t gonna get all the pet owls I wanted like my great uncle promised I would get if I kept attending meetings lol. It was kind of at this point that I really started doing more research on this religion and realizing just how horrible they really are and thanking every god possible(except Jehovah lol) that my siblings and I weren’t born into or raised in this awful cult. My parents have always seen right through the bs our relatives peddle as well. And for that, I am eternally grateful to them.
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
The misogyny runs deep in this 'organization'.....I'm not surprised by that story at all. Women are expected to submit on every level.
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
@@BlackFlagHeathen WOW! I'm so glad you put in the effort to look behind the curtain. I laughed loud when I read your thought about JW's turning down invites to other churches, but arrogantly expect everyone else to go to the KH.....it's hilarious....and absurd
@Slim1962
@Slim1962 Год назад
I’m not a witness or a member but it does seem right since god wanted Adam and Eve to live forever on paradise earth before they sinned that he would follow through with his original intentions.
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
@@Slim1962 Hi Stephen, your logic is correct! However, it's all based on the Adam & Eve story being literal. And, well..... I'm not a believer that it's a real account for many, many reasons. Scholars can directly correlate that story to many other like stories/cultures.
@joepublisher166
@joepublisher166 Год назад
I watched a car group show up in our neighborhood last month. Three elderly people got out - anywhere from 55 to 70. As they SLOWLY went down the line of residents, the feeling that engulfed me was heartfelt sadness. I mean, how can you not feel sadness after learning the truth about the so-called "Truth"? These JWs may have been doing this for decades, still waiting for a paradise that will never come. Can you see why I felt so much sadness???
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
Joe, not going to lie, I was brought to tears several times in this episode. Close to home is that my mother believes it......so painful to watch and so much anger
@joepublisher166
@joepublisher166 Год назад
@@survivingparadisepodcast When we were awakening and my wife asked me if this means she won’t see her brother and father in the resurrection, we just cried. I never felt so sad and helpless at the same time. Regarding your mom, that must be tough!
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
@@joepublisher166 Lots of love to you both....Ugh, this got me in the feels!
@johnnycroat
@johnnycroat Год назад
They are waiting for the real life. Kingdom realities vs worldly fantasies it’s worth all Endeavour
@debrabrookham6670
@debrabrookham6670 Год назад
​@@joepublisher166I was a JW for many years. It took me many years to realize the Bible is true but the witnesses interpretation is false. Read the Bible without the help of the Watchtower. Ask for the Holy Spirit to lead you to what is true. Don't let the Jws take away your belief in the Bible. They have taken enough from us.
@virginialecroy7729
@virginialecroy7729 Год назад
Love your delivery, your voice,your truth! Peace be with you!💖
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
:) thank you so much Virginia!!
@joepublisher166
@joepublisher166 Год назад
When I awoke, here's how I thought of the paradise promise. First of all, I was devastated that this teaching wasn't true. I was like most JWs, who put life on hold, after all the new system was right around the corner. The most disturbing thing about this to me, was holding out a "hope" that was totally baseless based on the scriptures. I could not get over how cruel that truly was and is!
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
Me neither Joe. I remember being in high school, a good student, and refusing to take my SAT's in the U.S. No need.....paradise was coming. Evil.
@joepublisher166
@joepublisher166 Год назад
@@survivingparadisepodcast I hope you know how much your videos help people!
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
@@joepublisher166 Thank Joe that means a lot!
@jefffoster6430
@jefffoster6430 Год назад
"it's brutal" well said 😥
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
Thanks Jeff :(
@joannaalabaster5916
@joannaalabaster5916 Год назад
You have brilliantly explained why JWs are inconsistent with the Bible which does not speak of life in paradise on earth. One of their most important doctrines is based on a lie. I had no idea JW's were applying the vision from 2 Cor 12:4 to a "spiritual paradise" of organization from the 20th and 21st centuries, this is crazy 🤣 And interpretation of Mt 5:5 is also new to me :O The worst thing is that JWs wait passively for this paradise all their lives, not trying to make life on earth better for people and animals by fighting inequalities, poverty, discri mination, exploitation of nature, etc. If reformers and revolutionaries had the same point of view as JWs, the world would be in a worse state than it is now, because nobody would fight for changes. Working hours would still be 10 to even 16 hours, there would still be racial segregation, etc.
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
OH yes, they stay well clear of any practical help or issues. They simply claim to remain 'neutral' and won't do anything in real time to help others
@johnnycroat
@johnnycroat Год назад
The organization champions Religious freedom when they file lawsuits. Eg the Norway government this is what they do to change the world
@DY2784
@DY2784 Год назад
The biggest lie shall continue on forever as it’s most profitable…🙄
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
All about the cash!!
@randyg.7940
@randyg.7940 Год назад
Here we go!!!!!
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
there he is
@fLUKEYdNb
@fLUKEYdNb Год назад
Another point I picked up over the years. The word in the Old Testament was ‘land’ not ‘earth’ thus lending more weight to the narrative being about Israel only . Eg the meek will inherit the land
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
HUGE point and I wish I had more time.....lots more material and things to discuss on this topic
@codydowns8251
@codydowns8251 Год назад
Another great epp Stacy! Thanks for your work.
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
Thanks Cody, I appreciate it!
@moniquedelaney7958
@moniquedelaney7958 Год назад
I don’t hurt . I never believed . I dodged the bullet as they say . Nice people ( not talking about the governing body ) , maybe some are , but gullible for sure . How sad that people’s brain can end up so closed to reality !
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
I'm glad you were never trapped! It's incredible how many people hang on to the hope.....we are all vulnerable and they take advantage
@moniquedelaney7958
@moniquedelaney7958 Год назад
If one is fortunate enough to never have been told that death is a terrible thing but the normal ending of a beautiful life we could have missed out on altogether, it is easier to not need this sort of stories . Yes , I feel privileged , at 74 , I had a life with strong concepts of right and wrong while the idea of “ sin “ was and is totally non existent . It has been at times funny to see door knockers realising what a lost case I was for them .
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
@@moniquedelaney7958 I'm so glad to see how you view all of this in your own life!
@rdhawk929
@rdhawk929 Год назад
Heartbreaking truth.
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
:(
@aaronmorgan2476
@aaronmorgan2476 Год назад
I do believe we are created.... and that there's something else beyond this... but organized religion certainly isn't the way
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
Thanks Aaron! I've been much more open to exploring that thought since leaving JW's!
@vinniegg
@vinniegg Год назад
​@survivingparadisepodcast I don't know how to word this, what would spark your interest? What would be something that would make you think 'Wow! What's going on here? We do live in a spiritual world!'
@bygeorgehemayberite8385
@bygeorgehemayberite8385 Год назад
Excellent podcast, per usual. We have eerily similar stories, & made similar sacrifices for the org. I remember I asked my devout mother in one of my last conversations w/ her, as an Elder mind u, did she truly believe in the Bible. Of course she said yes. What I quickly discovered, or should I say knew but dismissed, was that many JWs think they know the Bible, but In actuality only know what’s been taught; and, as we discussed before, are unfamiliar with their own publications. I asked her to find me a scripture where the terms “great crowd of other sheep” is discussed and “Paradise Earth.” She couldn’t b/c it doesn’t exist. I asked her what does Matt. 5:5 mean, & she immediately said a future promise for Jehovah’s ppl. I asked which ones, the heavenly folks or earthly folks? She said earthly, of course. I showed her that IT-1 reference u mentioned. I asked her who her mediator was according to scripture; she said Jesus. I showed her various WT & The IT-2 reference stating otherwise. All of it flew over her head, & I was labeled as the crazy one. Lol. U have to laugh at it, in order not to go madly insane. WT is notorious for spinning a couple of scriptures, but all one has to do is keep reading. No different that the interpretation of Nebuchadnezzar’s dream that they hinge their 1914 teaching upon; all u have to do is keep reading & it literally said the dream was fulfilled! Lol. I mean, all of it! Lol. Hence, this is y the org says u can’t understand the Bible w/o them; they convinced these honest hearted (most of them) ppl, that they are the channel, so therefore forget what Jesus, His Apostles, or even Jehovah says…this is what it actually means according to them. Lol.
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
Oh wow, I'm so sorry about your mother....but you nailed it. The vast majority have NO CLUE what the Bible or their own literature says. Nothing. My own mother is still in as well. And it is amazing to show them from their own books and they still think you've done some sort of magic trick on them....they won't accept it. Cognitive dissonance is incredible! An oh yes, good 'ol Nebud....and the book of Daniel.....what a doozy of a fairy tale
@Coral-lu5hi
@Coral-lu5hi Год назад
I thought it was Cedar Point Ohio where Rutherford said. "Behold the great multitude."
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
A famous convention that featured "advertise, advertise, advertise the King and his Kingdom"....but the Washington, D.C. event is when suddenly there was a 'great crowd'
@johnnycroat
@johnnycroat Год назад
there is a scripture we used. The life of my people will be like that of trees. This scripture was used to support the New World. Yet trees don't live forever
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
Oh I remember that!
@johnnycroat
@johnnycroat Год назад
I do believe a loving god would fix our worlds problems by getting rid of those ruining this earth. Perhaps he will. " A new Earth and Heaven" Perhaps people will live on the earth for a long time in peace and eventually will be with God and Jesus in Heaven. Lets Hope
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
I respect everyone's beliefs....a paradise earth would be amazing and I would think 'he' would have done it by now if it were real
@julieb5960
@julieb5960 Год назад
Whatever it is the fact is that this earth is not sustainable any more with humans on it and we are losing species and habitats at a rate never known before so either humans become extinct or something radical will have to happen like a massive shift in human consciousness on how to live differently on this planet. I don't know what the answer is really going to be. I've been on this Earth and still unable to explore and do all the things I want to do and do it without fear and stress - that is what attracted me to JWs even though I am not one. Life is short, time is limited and we are restrained by growing old, getting sick and exhausted. Crap aint it. I don't want to go to that Heaven either with God, whatever God is, or Jesus, whoever he really is. I have never fancied Heaven at all. Whatever it is supposed to be. Probably because I was brought up Catholic.
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
@@julieb5960 All true. I didn't go into it here, but the sun will eventually implode....it's a star.....so much to discuss on that subject
@davidreda1211
@davidreda1211 Год назад
Loved your covering of this topic. One thing that I absolutely love about the illustrations of this video are the JW depictions of what paradise "evidently" will look like. Never mind about all of the men will be clean shaven(no beards remember), short hair above the ears, shirts, pants, dresses, shoes, gazebos, fences, cut grass, farming instruments, etc. etc. etc, which will all need to be manufactured! By the way, did anyone notice the "evident" Bible the man was reading? Hmmmm, I wonder how that Bible was manufactured? Then there's the approximately 8 billion people who will be resurrected! The list goes on & on! Keep up the great work Stacy. Hopefully others will be woken up by your podcasts.
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
Love the way you think! I would look at the illustrations making the same sort of notes on every picture! The pictures only create a million more questions!
@davidreda1211
@davidreda1211 Год назад
@@survivingparadisepodcast, bingo!
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
@@davidreda1211 Thanks David!!
@pennybeeflower
@pennybeeflower Год назад
Great talk Stacey! Thank you.
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
Thank you Penny!
@lindiasanders3948
@lindiasanders3948 Год назад
My Dad said they play A Mind GAME on us.We have to learn how to play the GAME.Then we will never be fooled or come under their Control 100 per cent.Everythong start with the MIND.😮
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
YES! Your dad was correct.....they do everything possible to control you thinking!
@cecilialaurin414
@cecilialaurin414 Год назад
Thank for a wonderful and truthful video I am a ex JW doesn’t say that the meek shall inherit the earth and reside on it. Just a thought
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
Thanks Cecilia....it sure does and we actually discuss that verse in this episode...most will be shocked to know the WT says that applies to those in heaven!
@LillyMalcome-km7qz
@LillyMalcome-km7qz 10 месяцев назад
At first it just sounded like he was making fun of mr russel, but it was so necessary. All we were taught was what a revalation the paradise earth was. Really good 👍
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast 10 месяцев назад
Thanks Lilly!
@ingramwright5399
@ingramwright5399 Год назад
Once you realize the whole religion is a lie..you start looking at the people who have been living this lie. Some of whom you've trusted with your deepest secrets. 😮
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
Ooohhhhh, very good topic for a future episode!
@georginacruz2871
@georginacruz2871 Год назад
😢I feel the same way!! How can I didn’t see it!! I can’t believe I was played!!
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast 10 месяцев назад
You weren't the only one! :)
@harambetidepod1451
@harambetidepod1451 Год назад
millions now living will never die
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
An unbelievable blatant lie that everyone ignores!
@alfred5048
@alfred5048 Год назад
I guess I'll have to cancel my order of 1 koala, 1 lion and 1 giraffe.
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
I had to give up my dreams of a pet lion :(
@TheOnlyCbarrett21
@TheOnlyCbarrett21 Год назад
With all the videos I have seen with different channels, this one hits home the most.I appreciate the time you took in hitting all of these great points!! I will be listening again 🥰
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
Wow, thank you! I appreciate you listening in!
@Mary777-dr6jb
@Mary777-dr6jb 11 месяцев назад
Thank you! Even though for all of us awaken, learning this is heartbreaking and really difficult to deal with every day, but seeing those believing and destroying their lives and their loving ones; is just terrific.
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast 11 месяцев назад
Thank you Mary! It truly is an ongoing 'pain' that all of us that believed the lie have to deal with....some days are better than others, but you're not alone!
@soniagreene6248
@soniagreene6248 2 месяца назад
They promise paradise, but the one that really drew me in was "we was the generation that the bible said we would enter into paradise and would never have to experience death.
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast 2 месяца назад
That single teaching caused thousands to leave
@lh1673
@lh1673 Год назад
Excellent point! 1935 for Bible(book)holding JW to be fascinated about paradise on earth. So did this Bible God wait for another century with new technology for selling his hope by NETWORK, iPads?😅.What next needed till paradise come😂Oh, Ramapo😮My super indoctrinated family is donating for this😢
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
OH NO, I wish your family would wake up and not give them a dime!! Oh yes and the theme park down under......I barely recognize this 'religion'
@reginabasart5080
@reginabasart5080 Год назад
Hi, this was the theme that I struggled with. I always thought it was so stupid. I heard about the “truth “ at the age of 16, studied, baptized, and left by the age of 21. Brainwashed myself for preaching, hated it. My parents would go gambling all weekend long, and I was home with grandparents and siblings. This was a way to go out and socialize with neighbors’ teens. The funny thing it’s I don’t remember when or where I was baptized. I don’t remember a thing about the Bible, it’s like a lapse or brain fog of the time in my life. Left in 1980 that’s when the rules changed 1981, the JW that left was to be treated the same as the disfellowshipped. Went back when I thought I needed God in our lives to raise our children, only 2 or 3 times, instead of love I was told to sit in the back and not to speak to anyone. I thought “what the hell am I doing here” got up and never returned. My kids turned out to be just two great people, hard working, decent people without putting them through the hell the cult is. Thank you so much.
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
I'm so glad you got out Regina and I'm even happier to read that your children got out! I don't blame you for not remembering anything; our brain tries to protect us from the trauma of being in a cult! Thank you for listening!
@karenmoody2763
@karenmoody2763 Год назад
I don't understand any of the treatment of children , expected to sit still and listen to boring adults but of course Stephen Lett thinks they are enemies of God so I really shouldn't be surprised .so happy you got yourself and family away from the cult
@Isaac-ts6iz
@Isaac-ts6iz Год назад
I remember when my mom died in December 2021 of cancer my uncle who is jw kept telling me oh your gonna see your mom again in the new world I knew he was full of shit
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
Just reading that makes me both angry and terribly sad. so sorry Isaac.
@universeworld1782
@universeworld1782 Год назад
Mathew 24:4&5 4 In answer Jesus said to them: “Look out that nobody misleads you, 5 for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many This warning is about the Governing Body Jehovah's Witnesses! How do they mislead? By replacing Jesus with Organisation, Governing Body rule! That's all I have to comment on. I was there even before 1975, I'm surprised I am still alive and fairly healthy 😅 but I was only stupid for most of my life. Back when Moses delivered the Isrealites, not everyone was a Levite Priests. Most were just normal relatives of Abrahamic Covenant. Just normal Jews trying to be obedient like me. Even though imperfect making mistakes!
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
Well said Universe! So many applications!
@tuckersalazer8946
@tuckersalazer8946 Год назад
BEST EXJW PODCAST!
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
Wow, thanks Tucker!!
@christinesotelo7655
@christinesotelo7655 7 месяцев назад
Do they REALLY think after all the war and guts and blood and fireballs and explosions they show in their own magazines that they’ll walk immediately right into a Paradise Earth? How? Will the Governing Body be cleaning up the mess!?
@Smyrna37
@Smyrna37 Год назад
Small lies aren't acceptable either. Because what a small lie is to one person may be a massive lie to another, is subjective to the liar. Depending on their moral compass. Then again imagine if every time someone believes the paradise lie that counts as a separate lie. Millions of lies in that case...
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
You're absolutely right!
@lifting_the_veil
@lifting_the_veil Год назад
Thank you so much! This information is just what I needed. This has been one of my biggest hang ups and feel relief understanding those scriptures better.
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
You're welcome Leslie! I hope you can find some comfort, this is a very tough issue!
@majafleur9646
@majafleur9646 6 месяцев назад
What separates you from the rest is how honest and personable/likeable you are... I find it funny yet now, how those well trained by the Organization still show fantastic teaching skills, vocabulary, use of questions and illustrations, emphatic speaking ability. You are one such. Thank God you are using these skills now to enlighten the masses. You are appreciated!
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast 6 месяцев назад
Awwww, thank you so much Maja that is so kind...I appreciate you!
@BlackFlagHeathen
@BlackFlagHeathen Год назад
Jesus be like “Hey guys take care of my mom while I’m gone k” But when it comes to the “Paradise Earth™️” “I forgor 💀”
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
Right???? It's crazy lol
@Coral-lu5hi
@Coral-lu5hi 10 месяцев назад
The GB does not realize how much shame and reproach they bring upon the name of Jehovah and Jesus with their over the counter doctrines, and 2 witness rule with CSA. Had to put this 1 in here.
@simoneneveragain2939
@simoneneveragain2939 Год назад
You’re the real deal. Appreciate all your content.👍♥️
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
Awww, thanks so much Simone!
@RS-kk3ow
@RS-kk3ow Год назад
Mathew 5:5 was a surprise. I laughed about paradise earth but the mild temper ones that kind of sad! We grew up believing that was for the great crowd who inherit the earth!
@juliehigbee7398
@juliehigbee7398 Год назад
And the fact we now know that we got duped… it’s actually something we can take as a win- we figured it out and got out- however it happened!
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast 10 месяцев назад
It's a difficult realization......these guys know what they're doing!
@mariahenningsson6406
@mariahenningsson6406 Год назад
Good video. Have you understood how the JW org explains the Bible stating Jesus giving his life for all people, past and present, and still they find it necessary to have an organization that preaches people must pledge allegiange to them or otherwise they face annihilation?
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
Hi Maria... you've really hit at the undercurrent of this entire show. There is NO explanation for their claim, in fact, it is in direct conflict with what Jesus said regarding this subject. Any reason they give is dishonest. Jesus only preached a personal relationship with him.
@haynehifanny8006
@haynehifanny8006 8 месяцев назад
Always a great pleasure listening to each of your videos completely. Thanks a lot. 👍
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast 8 месяцев назад
Thank you!
@joshuawayneyork
@joshuawayneyork 8 месяцев назад
"Not cool enough to be in heaven"!? You made me spit out my coffee!
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast 8 месяцев назад
LOL, sorry 'bout that!
@joepublisher166
@joepublisher166 Год назад
During the time I was waking up from my indoctrination, I would learn of another factor that would influence my belief in this religion. At work, we would time-to-time have interesting seminars on group behaviors. I would learn of a term that I should have know, but I certainly would never learn this at the KH. It's call group-think. The challenger explosion was examined and played out to show all in attendance the serious and deadly outcome of group-think. I invite all to look this up this behavioral practice and see if you can see how this plays into your fellow members at the KH.
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
I always loved those extra educational formats I was exposed to. And they almost always made me question things! Group think is real!
@LillyMalcome-km7qz
@LillyMalcome-km7qz 10 месяцев назад
My mom has schizophrenia 😪. Just realized that coming home as an adult. Not sure if it is because of the religion or if she is drawn to it for that reason. Not uncommon for witnesses to recieve that diagnoses
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast 10 месяцев назад
I'm so sorry :(....it's all too common
@beautyRest1
@beautyRest1 Год назад
Thank you and -as always- it was great! You make me laugh…..
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
Thanks Beauty, my humor is off the wall!
@beautyRest1
@beautyRest1 Год назад
@@survivingparadisepodcast it sure is, I love it!! Keep the videos coming!,!!!
@joepublisher166
@joepublisher166 Год назад
As a believing JW years ago, it would baffle me that this paradise promise wasn't accepted by people. I know that it drew me to the religion!
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
I think they were more awake than we were Joe!
@joepublisher166
@joepublisher166 Год назад
@@astridmiller7938 Internet didn't exist back then, not nearly as easy to do the research.
@dorothymillsap7643
@dorothymillsap7643 Год назад
I think they also gaslight people by saying that the New Testament and Jesus' teaching about heaven was primarily written to the anointed. I remember feeling so confused when I would read those scriptures about heaven and trying to convince myself of the earthly "hope" by reminding myself that these comments were for the anointed but that also makes u feel less as well because they make u feel like the anointed are more important and you can benefit from the scraps left over. God awful organization.
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
YES!! SO true....everything is about them...it causes a pile of problems for all of us. And of course, it's all a lie!
@Godly-Beard
@Godly-Beard Год назад
Great job Stacy!!!!! 💯
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
Thank you me bearded friend!
@RY-rz5fg
@RY-rz5fg Год назад
Hey Stacey that was an amazing synopsis of this big LIE. Any well versed theology expert can easily dismantle their claims, but it usually appeals to people's emotions in a vulnerable state. I never got to be an elder because it started to unravel for me when I became a ministerial servant and began to really delve into the bible. I had to give a talk on the book of Hebrews and that was a game changer. The writer never ever expressed any different hope for the faithful of old than for the anointed first century christians. He even said that Abraham was a temporary resident living in tents waiting for the real city in HEAVEN! Hebrews 11:16. Another interesting note is how Revelation 19:1 speaks of the great crowd in heaven. The JW explanations were so bad it was shocking! But as time goes on, science is showing us how long human beings have been here on earth, so let's make the most of the little time we have left! Keep up the great work!
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
Thanks RY!! You're exactly right.....one of the oldest sales techniques ever! Emotions! YES, their teaching on Rev 19 needs an entire episode. The level of absurdity is off the charts -- "hey I'm standing in the living room"....."no you're not, you're in the kitchen".....it's unreal
@codydowns8251
@codydowns8251 Год назад
Son of a bitch. You got me at the end. I may have had a tear or two.
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
I'm with you brother. It was a tough one to get through...no shame in some tears, I drop them all the time!
@gisella1350
@gisella1350 Год назад
Thank you Stacey. It fascinates me that the vast majority of practicing JW's never look into the history of their organization, they don't even want to. Quite a while ago, I typed into Google, "Origin of Jehovah's Witnesses" I was shocked, and I know that I turned pale with what I found out, literally. I looked deeper, thinking this can't be right. The more I researched, the more I found that my conscience would not permit me to stay in this organization any longer. I wrote a letter stating that I could no longer be a JW, and why, with documentation. I sent the letter to Bethel, Ha Ha, never herd a word back. At least my life has been free from that time on. This is from a girl who pioneered, all in etc. Never again.
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
It's so true Gisella! MOST never even look into their history, but spend their lives supporting something they no nothing about! It's a mind blower! I'm so glad you did some research and RAN! Oh yeah, they'll never answer you....LOL, what could they say??
@Coral-lu5hi
@Coral-lu5hi 10 месяцев назад
Charles Taze Russell though studying the Bible LIVED AND DIED A FREE MASON.
@soniagreene6248
@soniagreene6248 2 месяца назад
I still have this book. It plays on your mind.
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast 2 месяца назад
An all time classic, many of us grew up on that book
@nicholsonlawrance5821
@nicholsonlawrance5821 Год назад
Very interesting, I used to take it for granted that Jesus believed in a paradise earth as that was what was impressed upon my mind as a child. I have never understood how God could expect Adam and Eve to be happy prancing around in the Garden of Eden forever and ever. I much prefer the Gnostic Christian texts which were banned by the upcoming orthodox church. They portray the God of the Old testament as cruel wanting to keep humanity bound to the earthly realm so he could have power over them; reminds me of the Govering Body. The snake is even seen as the good guy and represents Jesus for in fact the snake did not lie, for Adam and Eve's eyes were opened and they became as Gods (A subject for another podcast perhaps.....Hint! )
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
LOVE those reads! So many fascinating points to consider. God was more like the Greek gods....petty and insecure!
@doofchikadoofchicawaawaa6029
Yes it's the biggest lie and without it practically all slaves would leave
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
TRuTH!
@freemanparasiempre136
@freemanparasiempre136 9 месяцев назад
Thank you..well done.
@Hearwithyourears
@Hearwithyourears Год назад
Thanks for sharing. In Isaias 65: 17-25 it say we are to look for this new heaven and new earth. The former confusions, sins and miseries of the human race, shall be no more remembered or renewed. My opinion is the scriptures are talking about the future 🤔
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
Completely respect your beliefs and thanks for listening Sophia! I always encourage people to consider context, including that chapter, who it was written to, etc. Most scholars consider that a Jewish restoration prophecy
@Hearwithyourears
@Hearwithyourears Год назад
@@survivingparadisepodcast Alright i get it
@denishartley3828
@denishartley3828 Год назад
Hello Stacey, I have listened to this episode 3 times, as I think it's one of your most important, really mind blowing. I just wondered how you would answer a JW who refers to at the end of the 1000 years, New Jerusalem descends from heaven to earth in Revelation. I think some adventist religions believe that the earth is desolate for a 1000 years, and at the end of 1000 years God's Kingdom comes down to restore the earth. Be interested in your thoughts, or maybe a subject for a podcast? BTW is there anyway to DM you? Kind regards Denis
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
Thank you Denis! I appreciate you! That is definitely worth an entire episode. There are several lines of thought regarding the New Heavens/New Earth commentary in Revelation. I do recommend taking a scholarly approach to everything Revelation due to the nature of the book, context, etc. Elaine Pagels has some interesting theory on the background, you can find some of her stuff here on RU-vid! Definitely worth a deeper dive, but yes, you're correct on the Adventist background, which Russell stole from
@Andisols_Myakka
@Andisols_Myakka Год назад
Well done. Well done ....
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
Thank you Andisols!
@naomiwillemsen9836
@naomiwillemsen9836 Год назад
After leaving and not investigating the teachings, practically POMI (while recently I also came to the realisation that I actually never believed...), I mostly felt guilty I was letting my parents go to paradise without their youngest daughter. So I got to accept already I’d not go there after dying (aparently I didn’t really think Armageddon was near, besides wondering about it 2 specific moments (shootings in Paris and start of the war in Ukraine where on the news I saw a br at the trainstation with their logo)). Learning that it’s a false teaching, for me, goes into the bucket ”not very surprising”. Though if you strongly believed and hoped for this and then learn it’s false... I can imagine it’s very tough and has a big impact, also on how you look at life and the future 😥
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
You're far from alone Naomi! We all have had to grapple with all of those emotions, particularly around elderly parents. I'm glad you're out and hope you're healing!
@naomiwillemsen9836
@naomiwillemsen9836 Год назад
@@survivingparadisepodcast i got out early enough (~24 and unmarried) to not have seen or experience the really dark side of it. Also lucky enough my mom blocked the elders from continueing to talk with me after a first one in the B school where I didn’t talk, only cried.
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
@@naomiwillemsen9836 some of my worst memories, young women bawling and scared :(
@naomiwillemsen9836
@naomiwillemsen9836 Год назад
@@survivingparadisepodcast I can imagine as a former elder there’s also a lot to process 😥 have you / do you want to contact those you had been on the committee for?
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
@@naomiwillemsen9836 Wow, great question Naomi! I have had the urge, but to be honest, would it shock you to know that most of those I dealt with ended up leaving like I did? Some have found me on social media and told me they left!
@delrico8788
@delrico8788 10 месяцев назад
Jesus said in John 14:3 2In My Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and welcome you into My presence, so that you also may be where I am. 4You know the way to the place where I am going.
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast 10 месяцев назад
Bingo....not a paradise earth ;)
@dantoinettetaylor1663
@dantoinettetaylor1663 Год назад
Isaiah 65:17-25 to Isaiah 66:1 is what I used to sell to people at the door about the “paradise on Earth” using that little tract with the child petting the panda. Can’t recall the title 😂 Edit: It’s clear it was about Jewish expectations when I read it in context. The Jews/Israelites had no heavenly aspirations EVER!
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
OH yes, I believe I posted a picture of that very tract in the Community channel of this site!
@nataliew.thetrader9880
@nataliew.thetrader9880 Год назад
Lies on top of lies. 😂
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
lies, lies and more lies
@UKS12345
@UKS12345 Год назад
There was a lot Jesus didn’t reveal to his disciples at that time. He didn’t reveal Armageddon coming. He didn’t reveal king of north or south. He came to earth to die and preach of a heavenly hope for mankind at that time. Having said that, I do wonder why in revelation it mentions 24 elders being around the throne of God ( meant to picture all 144000 together before thrown) and the 144000 is then understood by jws as being literal.? If 24 elders not taken as a literal number then why is 144000 taken as literal?
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
I think you may like tomorrows new episode ;) I would respectfully challenge anyone to explain why Jesus mentions only heaven as a hope, including for faithful men and women of old, but JW's say he changed his mind in 1935 in the 20th century and added a hope for the earth. The Bible only teaches a heavenly hope and even mentioned people died long before Jesus
@UKS12345
@UKS12345 Год назад
@@survivingparadisepodcast yes, I will have to think about this more. It’s like as if the Bible wasn’t written for those with an earthly hope but just a heavenly hope? When I read the Bible, I don’t see a message to me if I don’t have a heavenly hope. Then out from nowhere John writes the book of revelation
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
@@UKS12345 I definitely encourage study. The Bible does not teach a paradise earth, it only entered the convo in 1935 and respectfully, Revelation doesn't teach it either. JW leadership has lifted things out of context and tried to make them apply to JW's....I cover that in tomorrow's episode a bit... they teach some things are literal and other figurative, without ANY supporting evidence. Keep searching! :)
@Digidab
@Digidab Год назад
Very interesting Paradise Stuff !
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
Thank you Jj!
@imiralove7533
@imiralove7533 Год назад
I red some comments on Isaias prophecy and what it means for us. Something that helped me understand that, is mention in Hebrews 1:1-2. long ago God spoke to our forefathers, (jews ancestors, not to us) by means of the prophets (Isaias included), but now ( first century) he (God) has spoken to us ( Paul and christians) by means of his son. So, according to Paul, what Isaias wrote is not for us. 1:18:03
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
It makes you wonder why they wrote two books on Isaiah, huh? ;)
@user-ut8xx9fw6c
@user-ut8xx9fw6c 7 месяцев назад
Oh dear, i have only read a few comments and although i studied, was never baptised, something always held me back at the last minute. BUT...... i am a Christian with no congregation, and i totally 100 per cent. Believe in Jeshua ( Jesus) and all he promised and all he did. Of course we can live forever.......i cant remember the exact scientist who said this, but before my LORD i promise you its true, an eminent scientist from a topfacility said the following, and put it in print : " thing is, we dont know WHY DEATH OCCURS, OR WHY THE AGING PROCESS BEGINS, the human cell has everything it needs to keep regenerating.....to go on forever, its as though something stepped in and tweaked or reprogrammed it ......we simply cannot understand WHY DEATH OCCURS". And folks i believe that we can indeed keep going, because it is SCIENTIFICALLY VIABLE, indeed theres more to support eternal life than there is death!. I am a university educated person, people often comment on my "intelligence".....which is strange to me but i do find most people to be insufferably stupid......mjusst in case you presume me to be a moron. I am a retired psychologist. We can indeed live forever, as Christ promised, try not to throw away the Creators entire manual just because jws got it so wrong. Jesus came to show us how to live and to tell us what was going to happen and to prove it, all of which He did.
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast 7 месяцев назад
Thank you for being here!! You have such a fascinating background! I'm glad you were able to avoid JWs..... it can be a lot to heal from!
@imiralove7533
@imiralove7533 Год назад
Great job. Thank you.
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
thank you Imira!!
@Theoverthinker81
@Theoverthinker81 Год назад
Why would JW want to live in a paradise earth? Didn't anyone ever think that after a billion/trillion years you may have had enough? You couldn't ask god to end it so you live an infinite life with a limited amount to do. It would turn into hell on earth.
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
It's a concept that many have considered. Living forever with people that you don't like, wearing 'meeting clothes' and eating fruit.....not appealing to many!
@dennisjardine5416
@dennisjardine5416 Год назад
Love the picture of the tower on the cover
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
Our show logo? Not very subtle, is it? 🤣😂
@user-zi1uv8sx2v
@user-zi1uv8sx2v Год назад
What about all the scriptures at the beginning of the book that promise everlasting life? 8 Although the first human couple disobeyed God, thus proving to be unfit to live forever, God’s original purpose did not change. It must be fulfilled! (Isaiah 55:11) The Bible promises: “The righteous themselves will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it.” (Psalm 37:29) Often the Bible tells of God’s arrangement to give humans who serve him everlasting life.-John 3:14-16, 36; Isaiah 25:8; Revelation 21:3, 4.
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
Great questions! Most if not all of the references in the Old Testament are Jewish restoration prophecies with messages to the Jew regarding their homeland, etc. In the NT, it's always about heaven and very easy to research....lot's to type here!
@m.weston7114
@m.weston7114 Год назад
In reality, no one can say what actually happens to us after death. You say we will never see our dead loved ones again. NO ONE KNOWS THAT. We agree that most of WATCHTOWER teaches is untrue. But the Bible is very questionable from Genesis forward. If you scrutinize the first four chapters of Genesis, reading word for word very slowly, NOTHING is answered, but everything stated, does not make sense in any way. So if Genesis is unexplainable and makes no sense, how can anything else make sense in the rest of the Bible. The God of the Bible is NOT a nice person. I would not have a fleshly human friend if he was like God. Humans have no true answers of what happens to anyone after death. There are no referrals from someone that came back to tell everyone. So anyone claiming they know, is just guessing and presuming based on no evidence, they should just let it lie without presumptions.
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
ALL TRUE! If you want to have some fun, take Genesis One and compare it to Genesis Two....have a great time LOL. No one does know, true. We only know that what JW's teach isn't taught by anyone else...and they have no foundation for it. Oh, the God of the Bible is a fun subject....
@Joeandfran
@Joeandfran Год назад
Stacey, thank you for patiently exposing the hateful, totally unkind deception that has been committed against unsuspecting people. The further question concerns who are the ones plotting this from the beginning…what agenda is served and how do the worlds governments profit from the willing compliance of Jehovahs Witnesses?
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
Thanks Joe and Fran! There are many benefits for several parties when they can control their thinking....it's evil
@Goonapachamoothoo
@Goonapachamoothoo 6 месяцев назад
The biggest difference Faithfull Faith of worshipers of allmighty God Jehovah is awesomeness most.that many cannot digest it In a world poorly spiritually.
@pamelaruth7400
@pamelaruth7400 Год назад
"...wear meeting clothes forever" 🤣
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
LOL, LOL......sounds like HELL right?
@easiersaidwithmeg
@easiersaidwithmeg 2 месяца назад
I’ve watched several ex jw channels and a lot of you have something in common. Your graphic design is impeccable. That surviving paradise looks like an ice cream cone gone wrong. I know it’s a poop tower lol. You all are incredibly effective at presenting information pleasantly.
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast 2 месяца назад
Thank you very much! I appreciate your feedback!
@easiersaidwithmeg
@easiersaidwithmeg 2 месяца назад
@@survivingparadisepodcastskills from watchtower ? lol
@natashapeeters988
@natashapeeters988 Год назад
Hello Stacy! I am your age. Was born third generation in jw cult. I wrote my D A letter when I was 17 years old. I was shunned at home. I was escaping on the/my bicycle 🚲 every day. They're didn't give me a chance to find a job... I was kicked out on the street without a penny in my pockets. I had my backpack 🎒. It was in 1986..... I don't regret it. I had bad people... I found good people. I survived a serial killer. I don't know why. I was talking about it with 2 guys tonight and they told me that I deserved to live. 😢 don't worry, the barmaid gave me a lift to my place ❤ I have the guilt of the survivor and one of the guys told me to stop worrying about it. I am alive to tell the story. I deserve to be alive... I can't believe that the 5 young women who died before me didn't deserve to live. Anyway, like the barmaid said: they are nice just until they are not. I know too much about that. I used to be beaten by men because I was so naive and gullible.
@natashapeeters988
@natashapeeters988 Год назад
I am just hoping that I can tell young women and men the secret to escape Evil 😈 ones. I don't have a magic potion. I escaped another one. Hitchhiking... I said that I will piss all over in his van... he let me out to pee and I was running 🏃‍♀️, naked in the forest and found a house 🏠.... I was naked and trying to hide myself... they didn't let me in. It was in the 80ties. I think that those people were anything but nice// anyway: they did what I asked : calling 📞 the ☎️ Police. I stayed at least one hour on the the lake/my feet in the lake// when the police 🚔 came: I didn't want to go. Glad that they had a woman... gave me a blanket to cover me... I didn't want to go. The lady police helped me. They took me to the hospital 🏥. They tried to call my " family " ..... I said NO! The only family I had was my chosen Dad. I knew his phone number. He was there in the middle of the night with clothes that his wife gave me. I love ❤️ her so much 💓 too. We are family... no shrink believed me. They told me that jw's are nice people who suck knocking on their doors 🚪... in 1986, I was not believed. ANYWAY, just saying... /// I had good 👍 people in my life too! 😮
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
OMG Natasha, I'm so glad you escaped!!! Unbelievable!! You very much deserve to be alive, so glad you're safe and free from a cult that put you in that position!!
@natashapeeters988
@natashapeeters988 Год назад
@Surviving Paradise thank you 😊... I really appreciate your videos. You're making me cringe, be sad and mad 😠 😡 😤 BUT: mostly, you are making me laugh! That's so important in life ❣️
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
@@natashapeeters988 I'm a BIG believer in laughing!! Thanks Natasha, I'm glad I'm not alone or just laughing at myself LOL!
@majafleur9646
@majafleur9646 6 месяцев назад
Heart-breaking ♡. How are you now?
@UKS12345
@UKS12345 Год назад
I enjoyed your video. You’re so funny. I’m I’ll with a bad throat infection and you made me laugh so much it hurt. 😢I one a comment to make. Maybe Jesus didn’t mention a great crowd to live on earth to his disciples because it wasn’t appropriate to reveal it? It was something so far into the future. That’s why this great crowd were only mentioned in the book of revelation 96CE. The teaching at the time was that of gathering the anointed ones. It wasn’t food at the proper time? Just an idea which I’m hoping is true. I was baptised 1968 and at present I’m unsure about everything
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast Год назад
I'm so sorry you're sick! Sore throats are not fun, so take care! That is an interesting point...and I can see where our minds my go there. But how would you explain Jesus taking the throne in heaven in 1878, oops, no he changed that to 1914....and then not telling the world about paradise and living forever until 1935? Jesus sat on a teaching that affected BILLIONS of people's salvation all the way from the Mt. of Olives to 1935? That's a tough 'sell' in my mind 😉
@bevwilliams6552
@bevwilliams6552 Год назад
It's more like they're living in a spiritual hell 😥😥
@survivingparadisepodcast
@survivingparadisepodcast 10 месяцев назад
YES!
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