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The BIGGEST Mistakes DIYers Don't Know They Are Making When Installing Metal Electrical Boxes 

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In this video I show you some of the biggest mistakes made when installing metal electrical boxes. They can be incredibly dangerous if some steps are overlooked or forgotten!
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@HowToHomeDIY
@HowToHomeDIY Год назад
Have you ever seen any of these mistakes made in this video? Hopefully this was insightful. If you know of other common mistakes made, feel free to list them here. Never know when I may feature them in a future video! 😎
@ZachGrady
@ZachGrady Год назад
Is it acceptable to have one of the ground conductors (part of one of the NM cables) wrap around the box grounding screw and then get connected to the other ground conductors via a wire nut? instead of having a separate pigtail.
@HowToHomeDIY
@HowToHomeDIY Год назад
Depends on who you ask but it is my understanding that yes, that would be acceptable using the feed wire ground.
@dallasarnold8615
@dallasarnold8615 Год назад
You neglected to point out that the NEC calls for 6 inch long wires beyond the sheathing inside the box.
@HowToHomeDIY
@HowToHomeDIY Год назад
You are correct. I did not mention that. And 3 inches past the front of the box. Thanks for the reminder for everyone.
@jeffreystroman2811
@jeffreystroman2811 Год назад
I always make at least these for mistakes on every box I wire, sometimes if I'm lucky I can get at least 7 or ate in one two gang box. That takes some practice for sure, although some can do it right out of the gate (beginners luck) I would have more pictures of my work but for some mysterious reason a lot of these houses aren't there anymore. Crazy times I almost forgot, my company name is RE-VOLTING ELECTRIC You'll be shocked by our work (it's that good)
@michaellane4762
@michaellane4762 Год назад
My Dad was an electrician , and many times I would help him on jobs in the summer, and when it got to point where he could trust me to rough in a box ( they were ALL metal back when the dinosaurs roamed the earth!), Dad ALWAYS made sure I grounded the box with a crimped on copper terminal screwed to the box. Dad made sure it was done right! All these years later, I STILL remember that. Thanks Dad.
@danharold3087
@danharold3087 Год назад
I am a fan of using crimp terminals especially on stranded wire.
@drumstyx
@drumstyx Год назад
I've never seen anything BUT metal boxes in new work. Plastic is usually just rework in my experience, and only for convenience. If you're doing new work, the box gets screwed to a stud, so you might as well make it metal and strong.
@haveyouflossedtoday
@haveyouflossedtoday Год назад
Just saying … please teach your own kids what your Dad taught you. And if you don’t have kids… teach some other kid. We need the skills and quality workmanship of our ancestors to passed forward. Thank you 😊
@roguestatus9297
@roguestatus9297 9 месяцев назад
​​@@drumstyx it all depends on the specific application and/or if it's Residential vs. Commercial/industrial "new" work... both types of boxes definitely have there places and pros/cons... Cost usually being the largest factor
@user-bp8ls7gn2u
@user-bp8ls7gn2u 5 месяцев назад
​@@drumstyxnail on plastic boxes are used in new home construction never used steel boxes anymore except on block walls and commercial 😊
@iliyantomov9307
@iliyantomov9307 8 месяцев назад
That’s some great advice. In Bulgaria where I live, metal junction boxes are not that common in households. However, water heater switches are pretty often installed in metal boxes. Which can make it even more dangerous if the water becomes dangerous. Greatly explained, Sir.
@sparky4108
@sparky4108 День назад
Thanks for all the extra work! All these diy folks gonna be calling electricians after they burn half their house down thinking they are now qualified electricians cause a few youtube videos
@BScott-hi2hc
@BScott-hi2hc Год назад
Thanks for the info buddy. The grounding screw on a metal box I will be installing for my finished basement project could've been something I forgot. Now it's etched in my brain to not forget. Have a blessed day and work safe brother.
@chriscroush
@chriscroush 2 месяца назад
It’s really a bond, not a ground. Boxes are bonded, equipment is grounded.
@drwalker9093
@drwalker9093 Год назад
On new work, I install those pre-made ground pigtails in each metal box ahead-of-time (and "Z" them out of the way). It beats fighting through other wires to get to the back of the box with the screw.
@jhawkins4412
@jhawkins4412 Год назад
Great idea!
@brunothehumble
@brunothehumble Год назад
you should have a check with your supplier to see if they have the box with the ground preinstalled in it. we use them exclusively at my work and they are a real time saver. The Reynolds Company does list them and sell them with the grounds pre-installed. a quick round of googling should get you to a listing to be able to order them.
@jordanmercier3616
@jordanmercier3616 Год назад
@@brunothehumble interesting.
@Lenny-kt2th
@Lenny-kt2th Год назад
Interesting to see the differences... Here in the Netherlands, you would typically see only plastics used in residential installations for boxes, conduits, sockets, switchgear and consumer units. Wagos are, of course, well loved over here too. Wire nuts, though still available, are a thing of the past. Those you cannot trust DIYers to get right and the pros have long gone the way of the Wago because of the time savings they offer.
@pnnielsen
@pnnielsen Год назад
Plastic and glassfiber is usually used here too whenever the devices are not exposed on top of a surface. Metal boxes and conduit are used and needed for exposed (on the top of the surface) installations, which you normally only see in commercial buildings. In homes, it would be possibly in a basement with concrete walls or in a garage with new work and wiring installed on top of the surface. In Europe we have special cable allowed for running on surface, but I remember a crazy scenario in Finland, where regular metal sheated wire was used and we had to add panzer tubing on top of all exposed wires that were run below 1.70m in closets, etc... (This was in a summer home, and the year was 1980). You definitely have quite a set of rules over there too :)
@davidweum
@davidweum Год назад
I just bought a "metal "housing" with no ground wire, unless ground is copper wire at back of housing, only black pos and white neutral wires. I never even thought of looking for plastic housing. My guy at Home Hardware selected metal housing. I don't think I had an option. David Innisfail, Ab. Canada
@mernokallat645
@mernokallat645 Год назад
@@davidweum Wtf is black pos? Black is live, not positive.
@davidweum
@davidweum Год назад
@@mernokallat645 I KNOW THAT. I DIDNT SAY ANYTHING DIFFERENT. BLACK POS, WHITE NUETRAL, GROND IN BACK ON WALL, I ASSUME.
@davidweum
@davidweum Год назад
@@mernokallat645 On mine it is.
@randellwolfe4555
@randellwolfe4555 11 месяцев назад
Thanks for educating me as I am putting new outlets in metal box for the first time, only dealt with plastic boxes in the past
@spud13x13
@spud13x13 Год назад
Tightening the loop of ground wire around a loose grounding screw literally made this video worth much more time than I spent watching. Thanks!
@concert_rat1004
@concert_rat1004 Год назад
Thank you for these videos. The biggest takeaway for me was using the stripper to make the hook to go around the screw. I was using needle nose to do it, and it wasn’t always easy to get the curve right. Everything else will help, too!
@ktlieb
@ktlieb Год назад
This video has done this exact same thing for me as well XD
@pablomagee2999
@pablomagee2999 11 месяцев назад
You don’t loop anything. Use a crimp tool and lug
@Galgamoth
@Galgamoth 4 месяца назад
@@pablomagee2999 waste of money and an extra failure point.
@klf153
@klf153 Год назад
Excellent video. Exactly what I needed to help overcome my discomfort working with electrical.
@edwardsmith4353
@edwardsmith4353 Год назад
Thanks for all your work! Lots of stuff I did not learn at my tech school... plus even plumbing vids! (As a landlord, very useful)
@HowToHomeDIY
@HowToHomeDIY Год назад
You are very welcome! Glad you liked it. Thanks a lot for the feedback!
@stevencooper2464
@stevencooper2464 Год назад
One thing I learned the hard way to do is to check those Romex clamps for casting burrs that can cut into the Romex; I had to replace 30 feet of Romex after that lesson, when I turned on the breaker and ...BOOM...the breaker tripped and the Romex was damaged right at the clamp, leaving it too short to use.
@danielthommen8243
@danielthommen8243 Год назад
Couldn't you just add another Jbox a bit further down the line to connect the old wire with a new one, instead of replacing 30 feet or Romex?
@stevencooper2464
@stevencooper2464 Год назад
@@danielthommen8243 There was no room for a J-Box, without hiding it behind a wall (a code violation). The 30 feet of Romex didn't go to waste; most of it was used elsewhere.
@kik1rik1
@kik1rik1 Год назад
Great video, thank you. One thing on the 12awg and 14awg combo. Wire sizing is sometimes upsized due to length of run to avoid voltage drops. Personally I'm running power to my garden ~150' away from the breaker box. I'm running... i forget, 10 or 12 for the main run, but intend to use one size down in the boxes or the branches. It can handle the amprage, just would cause a problematic voltage drop over the distance. Either way, still an excellent video and I've certainly learned some.
@pheadland
@pheadland Год назад
@@Salvadorbalihai24 The tap rule is three meters / ten feet, not three feet.
@gerdberg4188
@gerdberg4188 Год назад
Just as long as the circuit is protected at the smallest gauge rating . If you downsize to 14 gauge you can only protect it at 15 amps no higher. 29 amps for 12
@gerdberg4188
@gerdberg4188 Год назад
@@Salvadorbalihai24 no
@jeffreystroman2811
@jeffreystroman2811 Год назад
Poor guy has no idea what he just walked into with the whole 14 is cool on short bits. I'm staying out of it, for now.
@fritzmiller9792
@fritzmiller9792 Год назад
@@gerdberg4188 #12 copper is limited to 20 amps in most cases, even though the amperage table lists it at 30 it is limited below in the fine print notes. There are conditions in industrial and commercial installations that are engineered for the higher amperage but definitely not for a residential application....so a #12 can't be on an overcurrent protective device above 20 amps.
@robertthompson5908
@robertthompson5908 Год назад
I love good videos like this with good close- up photography, clean explanations, and just the right amount of information. 👍
@HowToHomeDIY
@HowToHomeDIY Год назад
Thanks! Glad you liked it. Thanks a lot for the feedback!
@84thomascox
@84thomascox Год назад
Thank you for this video! You probably saved me from a future headache. I'm just a DIYer and I made the ground wire mistake. Going out to fix it now.
@natpickron9788
@natpickron9788 Год назад
U never use metal boxes for Romex Mc cable or conduit is the correct way to use four square boxes
@markproulx1472
@markproulx1472 2 месяца назад
Another topic that warrants a separate video is box fill limitations and requirements. I’ll bet that many DIYers aren’t familiar with this.
@jaysonny8210
@jaysonny8210 8 месяцев назад
Code Table 210.24 allows 20A branch circuit taps to be 14ga wire.
@dartrunner4599
@dartrunner4599 Месяц назад
Only on copper, not aluminum or copper clad
@livingdeadbtu
@livingdeadbtu Год назад
The grounding hole is not always raised. It is sometimes one of "mounting " holes. It's usually a little smaller and threaded. Lots of fun on a box mounted to wood. You either have to hang it off the stud for clearance or make clearance before mounting. Those green screws do not drill into wood very well and it will seem tight but is not all the way tight against the wire. Always wiggle that ground once you think it is "tight" to be sure! The boxes with a bump are preferred because the clearance is built in, but you don't always get what you want at the store!
@livingdeadbtu
@livingdeadbtu Год назад
@@jeremiahbullfrog9288 I like to mark the holes, then dril a big shallow hole under the hole :)
@Pepe-dq2ib
@Pepe-dq2ib Год назад
@@livingdeadbtu a drill/tap combo bit does all that in one go.
@davidyansky6605
@davidyansky6605 Год назад
On older boxes that are re-used during renos that have no camel hump or threaded ground screw hole I use the pre-wired grounding clips that attach to the edge of the box. Faster and are code compliant.
@Pepe-dq2ib
@Pepe-dq2ib Год назад
@@davidyansky6605 i got a box of those, but never used them. Its just as easy and quick to use a drill/tap combo bit.
@mariofernandez9026
@mariofernandez9026 Год назад
The best way I've found to make clearance is to either keep an awl in your bag that has been ground down to just under the hole size and push it into the hole after the box is in place. While that hole you make is smaller than the ground screw, it will allow the screw to push itself in much easier. I also keep 6/8/10 tap in my pouch which can work for that as well using the first #6 tap as the awl. However be careful of breaking it as these are very hard and brittle.
@terry7893
@terry7893 Год назад
FINALLY! A RU-vid video that actually cuts to the chase pretty quickly, and gives you good, concise, quick (and hopefully complete) information. Well done!
@dwightbiddle2779
@dwightbiddle2779 11 месяцев назад
Thank you for your video. I have been doing some electrical work at home and rewiring our garage with new breaker box and all. I didn't realize grounding the box would prevent electric shock and other problems. I'm going to fix mine first thing in the morning. Thank you for the advice.
@plsreleasethekraken
@plsreleasethekraken Год назад
Just for clarification, if the incoming line carrying the power is #14 (common in an existing home), it's fine to use #14 or #12 coming off the Wago. I could see someone misunderstanding what you said as all the wires need to be the same size when they need to be as big or bigger than the source wire.
@hogroamer260
@hogroamer260 Год назад
If we're clarifying here, the limiting factor is the breaker, not the wire. 12 AWG has a 20 amp capacity 14 AWG has a 15 amp capacity So 14 AWG can be used in a circuit being fed by a 15 amp breaker. 12 AWG can be used in a circuit fed by a 20 amp breaker. 12 AWG can also be used in a circuit fed by only a 15 amp breaker but it's a waste of money as larger wire is more expensive.
@plsreleasethekraken
@plsreleasethekraken Год назад
@@hogroamer260 Sure, but lots of times you're going to find yourself with a roll of 12/2 that you're already using for the work and it's far more expensive to go buy some 14/2 than just use 8" of #12 of what you already have. This video was marked as DIY, so there isn't a truck or van with spools of wire to hit up. The breaker and the wire are both limiting factors. If someone else installed #14 on a 20A breaker, you've got an entirely different problem on your hands than the receptacle you're working.
@hogroamer260
@hogroamer260 Год назад
@plsreleasethekraken @plsreleasethekraken Yes, I get using what's on hand as long as it meets the breaker capacity. No need to be snarky, not saying what you said is wrong, just trying to summarize and clarify that the breaker dictates. The design is dependent on the load, the breaker is chosen based on that. Then the wire size is chosen based on the breaker size (leaving out voltage drop situations). The breaker protects the wire, the wire is not a limiting factor. If someone used 14 AWG on a 20 amp circuit, that's a code violation and my comment is geared toward compliant work not every mess that a "DIY'er" can achieve. A DIY'er needs to know their limitations so they can seek out a professional. Just because there are RU-vid videos' doesn't mean everyone should tackle a job on their own. They may be putting their lives, and more importantly, the lives of others in jeopardy.
@plsreleasethekraken
@plsreleasethekraken Год назад
@@hogroamer260 sorry if that sounded snarky, it wasn't intended that way--just speaking practically. Yes, it would be a code violation; I was just speaking in terms of engineering/physics that the wire can be the limitation. An electrician can install a 20A breaker with #12, and then a previous owner could extend the circuit with #14. It's a code violation, but as the home owner I don't think you should care as much about that as understanding that wire is your limiting factor on that circuit because everywhere else on the circuit where the initial electrician wired with #12 would be fine. Again, mostly just trying to stick with the theme of the video where DIY opens up recep and finds this stuff. I do not think everyone should assume all the electrical done on their house was to code. It's never been that way anywhere I have lived. Appreciate the discussion.
@johnpaullogan1365
@johnpaullogan1365 6 месяцев назад
i mean you could run jumper cable thick #6 wire from your breaker and go to #14 gauge in the box if you wanted to on a 15 amp circuit. not a great idea but code would be fine with it.
@Oldbugssy
@Oldbugssy Год назад
Whew! I have been doing it right all these years. This is a great go to video to show friends that want to try their own. The mistakes I found in my home after I bought it were a bit unsafe. Just subbed.
@DennisRichardH
@DennisRichardH 4 месяца назад
I would like to hear you talk about all, or the common, ways to ground that metal box. What I mean is the options for what it can be grounded to. Helpful vid, thanks!
@bobhart1155
@bobhart1155 Год назад
Excellent video. This is how how-to videos should be made. Clear and concise instruction, excellent camera angle(s), and well explained throughout. Thanks!
@jimmikrut007
@jimmikrut007 Год назад
I couldn't have said it better 👏
@urgamecshk
@urgamecshk 6 месяцев назад
It takes him 10 mins to say 3 things….
@What1zTyme
@What1zTyme Год назад
Great educational videos! Well presented with superior production values! Good job!
@HowToHomeDIY
@HowToHomeDIY Год назад
Thanks! Glad you liked it. Thanks a lot for the feedback!
@Gretsch0997
@Gretsch0997 Год назад
Really good, stuff. If I might add, the three neutrals marretted together, should be twisted a few more times so the “twist” is confirmed-viewable from below the barrel of the marrette
@HowToHomeDIY
@HowToHomeDIY Год назад
Completely agree. Thanks for the feedback Brian!
@rossk4864
@rossk4864 Месяц назад
Per your discussion of the #14 jumper mated up with #12 conductors, in the common connector: As long as the supplying circuit breaker has a 15 amp trip-rating, and the connector in the box is properly rated for either #12 or #14 conductors, the #14 jumper connecting the utilization equipment would be okay in my opinion. In a lengthy branch circuit, #12 NM wire might be 15 amp protected to reduce line loss.
@westhavenor9513
@westhavenor9513 11 месяцев назад
I started using Wagos quite a bit recently. They're very convenient, but I've discovered that the levers can pop open very easily when you're pushing everything back in the box. Bad design flaw. I'm tempted to start taping them shut, but then why not just go back to wire nuts? So be sure to visually inspect your Wagos before you button things up.
@HowToHomeDIY
@HowToHomeDIY 11 месяцев назад
Yup, that is something that definitely needs to be watched! Thanks for sharing your experience with it.
@johnpaullogan1365
@johnpaullogan1365 6 месяцев назад
the visual inspection combined with the test point for leads is good enough reason to switch from wirenuts. not to mention the ease for connections between solid and stranded wire. that is far far to easy to screw up with a wirenut especially for DIYers
@BubbaPat
@BubbaPat Год назад
Loved the video!! Gave me some good reminders on what to look for. I was concerned in that I'm updating some of light switches and plan on using the Wagos. On your image for your video there are words "DONT USE" and pointing at the Wago. Now I see it was about the smaller wire.
@beestek
@beestek Год назад
I missed that and I'm an electrician. Must be the camera angle.
@davej3487
@davej3487 Год назад
WAGO's are a personal choice. If you do the strain relief on the Romex sheath and the wires going into the wago is not stressed and can not pull out they are fine. When I am rebuilding 1930's floor lamps I replace the old wire nuts with Wago's, a 5 way for all neutrals, a 2 way for the switched hot single lower bulbs and a 3 way for the switched hots for the other two. Getting five 12 gauge stranded wires into a wire nut is hard but a Wago fixes that.
@ericallen7200
@ericallen7200 Год назад
as an Electrician apprentice I have to shoot you major respect. I caught 2/3 and didn't catch the 12 gauge wire. Thank you for making some of us be better at our craft and home owners safer. At first glance, even my mentor didn't spot that gauge difference first. Although at second look, he did spot it... I didn't. Again...thank you. Much respect to trade and major respect to you.
@crisdunbar4753
@crisdunbar4753 Год назад
I'm curious, there's no mention of the breaker size on this circuit. Just because it's 12 ga doesn't necessarily mean it's a 20 A circuit. It could be a really long run on a 15 A breaker, or the installer might have been out of 14 ga to finish the job. I don't see anything wrong offhand with using a 14 ga pigtail even though it's 12 ga coming in. Am I mistaken?
@ericallen7200
@ericallen7200 Год назад
@@crisdunbar4753 I am still learning, but I would locate/isolate that circuit and factor in the amps it was intended for. If it's lights, fire away on that 14ga. If it's plugs... eliminate all 14ga because you never know when someone is going to plug in a TV, Playstation and 1600 watt electric space heater. I'm curios to see his answer too. (I've only been an apprentice electrician for 3 months... on the job training - no schooling)
@crisdunbar4753
@crisdunbar4753 Год назад
@@ericallen7200 I guess that's my point. The video claims without qualification that the 14 ga pigtail is a mistake. This may also be a jurisdictional thing. Where I am (BC, Canada), 15 A general-purpose (mixed outlets and lighting) are the norm, with 14 ga cabling. But of course, using a 12 ga cable is perfectly acceptable (if uncommon) on a 15 A circuit. So I don't see the 14 ga pigtail as an automatic error. The _intention_ of the circuit is beside the point I would say. If it's a 15 A breaker, the 14 ga pigtail is fine; if it's a 20 A breaker, it isn't, regardless of what is used for. Note, I'm not even an apprentice, just a fairly well-educated amateur. =)
@johnpaullogan1365
@johnpaullogan1365 6 месяцев назад
@@crisdunbar4753 code wise you have an issue still but reality wise i don't think it's a problem having the 14awg on a 20A circuit there as it is less than a foot and nothing returns to the main circuit there. 14awg will stand up to 20A at that length just fine. still not best practice and probably a code violation though not sure as i do know whire length plays a part in the code for amperage.
@johnpaullogan1365
@johnpaullogan1365 6 месяцев назад
@@crisdunbar4753 we have anumber of 15a circuits here ran with 12awg wire. codewise it is fine to step down to 14awg there but it is a bad idea. the next idiot working in the circuit will see 12awg out of the breaker and assume he can slap a 20a breaker on there. not that i think it would actually be a problem as long as you aren't feeding out of the outlet 14awg that short should handle 20A without an issue but code will come down on you for it
@michaelwright1602
@michaelwright1602 Год назад
Love these Wago clips, and I do wrap them with electrical tape to keep the little switches in place.
@HowToHomeDIY
@HowToHomeDIY Год назад
Yeah that will work! Thanks a lot for the input Michael!
@bagehring
@bagehring 3 месяца назад
I am not an electrician, but the tips and techniques you demonstrate I use and I know then I'm doing it right.
@KillingfalkONroblox
@KillingfalkONroblox 2 месяца назад
That's a weird way of saying you are no electrician yet can do their job - which is what every DIY'er that cause house fires has said.
@rickyburpo14
@rickyburpo14 Год назад
Simple, concise, common sense. I am a DIYer, but I've always preferred a mechanical connection(twisted wire) with a proper sized wire nut. Thank you for your simple good advice.
@HowToHomeDIY
@HowToHomeDIY Год назад
I agree. Really glad to hear you liked it. I really appreciate all of the feedback! Thanks a lot Ricky.
@BlackVibeBallsack
@BlackVibeBallsack Год назад
Ricky....that's because you are smart...wegos are for inside lighting connections
@KillingfalkONroblox
@KillingfalkONroblox 2 месяца назад
@@BlackVibeBallsack You cannot even correctly spell WAGO. wagos are under-rated in their spreadsheets and can actually reliably have much higher current pass through them then their rated current. i.e 20A / 300V.
@mnleber
@mnleber Год назад
I have found over the years that when using the two screw connector can cause a dead short or a high resistance short if the screws are tightened too tight. Unfortunately they may not be found until after the rough-in is complete and power is applied. A high resistance short when coupled to a GFI circuit can be a bear to find. This goes for any metallic connector. The 2 screw connectors must be tightened very carefully and until the cable does not slip on a tug test. Over torquing can be almost impossible to find once the drywall is in place!!
@val058
@val058 9 месяцев назад
Always wondered about that but never heard of it happening. possibly a burr was on inside of metal clamp that punctured wire?
@stephenkennedy6358
@stephenkennedy6358 4 месяца назад
The connectors you're referring to are not meant for stain relief it is meant to protect the wire from shorting on the metal box. Propper stappling of the wire before entering the box is wear you get the strain relief from. Also, the tap rule does allow for different wire gauges' to be used. A common Method to avoid voltage drop is to run #10 wire throughout and then switch to #12 at the device location.
@lagrock
@lagrock Год назад
No fluff, easy to understand, great flow of information (no pauses, ums or uhs), AND you know the right names for the parts you are demonstrating! Great job, man! I'm now a subscriber!
@MrTooTechnical
@MrTooTechnical Год назад
Great vid. For the pigtails, don’t bury them under the feed conductors.
@skydude426
@skydude426 Год назад
Another thing I would point out is to just snug the clamp down on the metal NM connector. Over tightening the clamp can damage the cable causing a short circuit. I do agree they are the best connector and use them myself, just don’t over tighten them. I’ve been a journeyman electrician for 38 years.
@gerdberg4188
@gerdberg4188 Год назад
Why would you use a metal connector when the new plastic ones are so much better
@gerdberg4188
@gerdberg4188 Год назад
I mean after all it is plastic cable
@replyhere590
@replyhere590 Год назад
@@gerdberg4188ecause as the video explains, the screw clamps hold more securely. I would only use plastic on data or maybe thermostat cables. Moving wires can work loose. Also, there are clamps that are usable from inside the box, though a bit tricky to work. One more thing--someone proffered that "How To Home" used the plastic device backwards. I disagree.
@irish89055
@irish89055 4 месяца назад
What was the additional black wire to a wire nut and and the same for a white? I didn't understand that
@skydude426
@skydude426 4 месяца назад
@@irish89055 those would be called pigtails that are meant to be connected to the receptacle, light or other device that the box is there to serve. If the box were just used as a junction point, those pigtails wouldn’t be necessary and wouldn’t be there.
@johncbrownmd
@johncbrownmd Год назад
Always learn something watching your videos and reading the comments. Thanks.
@HowToHomeDIY
@HowToHomeDIY Год назад
Really glad to hear it. Thanks a lot for the feedback!
@davebenz8271
@davebenz8271 5 месяцев назад
You explain things very clearly and succinctly. Thank you.
@HowToHomeDIY
@HowToHomeDIY 5 месяцев назад
You are very welcome! Really glad to hear you liked it! Thanks a lot for the feedback Dave!
@scottfranco1962
@scottfranco1962 Год назад
Should also warn against overtightening the metal romex clamps. I went through a bunch of shorts before figuring out the perfect clamping force.
@HBSuccess
@HBSuccess Год назад
There is actually a torque spec from the mnfct for all those screws/bolts/lugs. Nobody pays any attention to it but a torque screwdriver is a good thing to have in your bag.
@kevinreuss5901
@kevinreuss5901 Год назад
I agree the things you pointed out are rather common code violations I run into as well. I must also add that there is no requirement in the National Electrical Code that the grounding screw must be green. The only bonding screw the code specifies to be green is a screw that is used for the main or system bonding jumper in panelboards and and other similar equipment. These green screws for the box type in the video are just a convenience product that works great for the application but is no requirement to use this specific product. Also the particular style of non metallic cable clamp you showed in the video is intended to be installed from the inside of the box. It is designed that way to take less space in the box. Most common places I use that one is in those shallow light and fan outlet boxes or maybe when fishing a cable into a box or cabinet that is flush in the wall and would be difficult to install a connector from the outside of the box.
@srboromir452
@srboromir452 Год назад
If you install the non metallic clamp the other way around wouldn't it then keep the wire from pushing into the box but allow it to be pulled out?
@brandonrippeonphoto
@brandonrippeonphoto Год назад
those plastic clamps come in to varieties, one install inside to out and one installed outside to in. it is used correctly in this video
@josephpolzin7272
@josephpolzin7272 Год назад
I do hvac and always use metal boxes. I also use wire nuts. That's just what I'm comfortable with. I do pre twist the wires now after watching another one of your videos. Just seems like it's a safer thing to do even though I've never had wires come loose.
@jeremyhall7951
@jeremyhall7951 Год назад
Read the instructions. If the wires are stripped properly and sized properly for the nuts youre using then the only other requirement is that they be held even. Pretwisting wont matter.
@kw6713a
@kw6713a 11 месяцев назад
​@@jeremyhall7951yeah the wire nut twists them just the same, maybe better than wrangling them with pliers.
@jonhansen4745
@jonhansen4745 8 месяцев назад
@@jeremyhall7951 Yup, holding the ends even with the proper wire nut is the key factor.
@Lakusus
@Lakusus Год назад
Thank you for separating "SHOCKED" from "ELECTRICUTED". It's so aggravating when someone says, "OW! I just got ELECTRICUTED!" To which I would reply, "Really? Then how are you telling me?" lol Great video, btw. Thanks!
@Ethan_Hunt-AUT
@Ethan_Hunt-AUT Год назад
The min. allowed dimension of the wire depends on the circuit breaker and the loop impedance. If you use a 10A or smaller circuit breaker there can still be different wire-types mixed together because of the voltage drop (here we often have 4mm² until the last box and then 2,5mm³ to sockets (16A breaker) or 1,5mm² to lamps (13A breaker), all depending on your loop impendance). You always have to know the max. current on that circuit and note the diameter in the distribution plan. And measure the loop impedance at the very end.
@Old_BMWs
@Old_BMWs 8 месяцев назад
In North American standards, it would be ok to mix 12 and 14 AWG on a 15 amp circuit as that only requires 14 AWG, but not on a 20 amp circuit as that requires 12 AWG. That said, a pigtail like this is unlikely to burn down or melt anything either way, as with such a short wire, there's very little resistance to generate a lot of heat. Also, it's in a metal box, so there shouldn't be anything to catch fire even if it does get hot. Still, follow the code, it exists for a reason.
@FrederickDunn
@FrederickDunn Год назад
The number one thing I've been encountering is the electrical box left uncovered. And, they didn't leave any screws in the box for the cover to be replaced. I wish you had mentioned that and the kind/size of the replacement cover plate screws. Great information all the way around. Thanks.
@pgood7266
@pgood7266 9 месяцев назад
The screws are 6-32
@bobsbarnworkshop7542
@bobsbarnworkshop7542 Год назад
I ran into two of the issues you are illustrating. First, the metal octagon box I encountered and got shocked from didn’t have the bonding screw connecting the ground wire to the box. Second, it did have a metal romex connector installed but the wire was in at a steep angle and the installer tightened the clamp too tight, cutting into the hot wire and electrifying the box! I wasn’t working on that circuit but just bumped my elbow into it with a surprise! So lesson is, when using the metal wire clamps make sure to run the wire straight into the center and don’t over tighten!
@SteveWhiteDallas
@SteveWhiteDallas Год назад
The best way to ground that 4-square box (or any metal box) is to take the ground wire from the "hot" into the box, wrap it around the ground screw (but don't cut it.) It comes into the box, around the ground screw and continues to the wire nut UNCUT. That way the ground wire is not cut before it is connected to the box and if/when the wire nut is removed, your box is still grounded. If your inspector likes to see a ground clip without removing the cover, ground box as described above. Then pigtail the ground, using the pigtail for the ground clip.
@jimgulley751
@jimgulley751 3 месяца назад
I've followed you for a while, and honestly, you have busted me on a few issues; I'm so glad you have. If I'm going to do the job, I want it done right. Thank you very much for the great videos.
@leonitasmaximus4004
@leonitasmaximus4004 2 месяца назад
I was taught to pre-twist all connections and in my area it is code with solid copper wire. You don't have to twist stranded wire but I still do. It takes 3 seconds and you know your connection was tight and proper before you cap it. The other thing which you didn't show here is tapping your connections. It is another piece of mind step and for those who don't pre-twist wires or use connectors the tapping will keep the nut in place if something did move, nut failed, wire slipped. Then you won't have anything able to move and/or arc to the metal box. If I was doing an outlet in a metal box I would tape the outside of the outlet covering all posts. Always tape in the same direction you tightened the nut to the wires. Electrical tape is still cheap and only takes a few seconds.
@naubaucat
@naubaucat Год назад
your videos are really informative, and I really get good info. I have to replace my bathroom fixture myself, and I want to know what size wago would I use. Looking at the wiring it doesn't look that hard. My gfci plug went out so I was going to do this before the power is back on. I would appreciate any help, and thanks.
@111000100101001
@111000100101001 Год назад
Classic goodness I learned in high school ‘Basic Electricity’ and slowly forgot as plastic boxes became the norm. Thank you for setting us straight and reminding of details when using metal boxes.
@paulstoolbox
@paulstoolbox Год назад
Your video popped up on my channel and I watched it to the end. You do an awesome job of fully explaining while still keeping me interested. I am not an electrician but I have seen myself doing a lot of troubleshooting over the years. I get questions all the time from viewers and friends. I will refer your channel as an excellent guidline. Thanks!
@russellstephan6844
@russellstephan6844 6 дней назад
The box bonding screw pigtails... I go nuts! I always have a bunch of 12 and 14 gauge leads made up with soldered terminal lugs on the ends. It's a sickness, really.
@danm6499
@danm6499 Год назад
Excellent video. Concise and to the point. One thing to add is that the connection is everything. Not pre-twisting sometimes causes wires to pull into or push out of the wirenut. More on that point, wagos provide neither the contact area nor contact pressure for an adequate connection. I have personally found many examples where the heat produced by the inadequate contact of a wago have caused it to melt and catch fire. I even found one that burned through metal ballast cover. They should be illegal.
@fitybux4664
@fitybux4664 8 месяцев назад
That makes me wonder if wagos are even rated for 15/20 amps? (Or just rated for some smaller appliance-level current draw like maybe 2-5 amps?) Yes, they seem silly, as a knife cut kind of connection is going to have a very small amount of contact. But: if we're being that technical, a soldered connection has a much lower resistance than even the tightest wound wire nut. 😆
@johnpaullogan1365
@johnpaullogan1365 6 месяцев назад
using wirenuts should require a 6 month course on how to install them. they are terrible for newbies as they are so easy to screw up and hard to test. wagos are perfectly fine installed correctly for the application and are far easier to install correctly than a wirenut. also most manufacturer's on wirenuts nowadays specifically say not to pretwist so you take on liability as an installer if you do so. if there is ever a problem anywhere on the line and they are able to show you pretwisted against manufacturer recommendations your insurance will deny coverage.
@DorMatt1
@DorMatt1 Год назад
It’s been a while since I’ve opened a code book, but the multiple gauges on one Wago seems like it would be fine IF the cable run is long enough to have to account for voltage drop. As long as it’s a 15-amp receptacle on a 15-amp breaker, I believe this would be code-compliant. The Wago would have to be listed for both wire sizes too.
@jimmymcgarry
@jimmymcgarry Год назад
Yah idk what this old man is ranting about.
@mae2759
@mae2759 10 месяцев назад
Yes, I'd say that if you're going to pigtail that to a light, going to 14 gauge would be fine. If doing an outlet, I would never drop the gauge of wire down.
@steveemmett9540
@steveemmett9540 9 месяцев назад
Probably in the 3rd world.
@bilmoe5856
@bilmoe5856 9 месяцев назад
14ga cu wire is good for 15a circuit. It's stupid to run 12ga all of the way to the box, then pigtail with 14ga, but if the chicory is on a15a breaker/ fuse, it will not cause a fire. The breaker will trip before the circuit gets overloaded. It is a waste of more expensive material to run the home run in 12/2wg, then use 14ga for a pigtail that would require a15a breaker vs a20a
@justindavis8077
@justindavis8077 7 месяцев назад
@@bilmoe5856 Not true at all! First and foremost once behind the meter you pay for the losses. The bigger issue is voltage drop. In a larger house, you definitely run 12 up to the first junction, then 14 from there just to reduce inductance and resistance and still use a 15amp breaker. In some areas, it is even code that you are actually required to do this beyond about 50-75ft (most places closer to 100ft).
@dhelton40
@dhelton40 Год назад
You are right, these are common DIY mistakes, also I am with you, a good electrician twist the wires...it is just good workmanship. From the code book, sure, the pig tails to a receptacle should be the same size wire. I will point out that from an engineering point of view, #14 is rated for 12 amps in the tables, but we derate this because it can only do this in short lengths and would result in over heating in all but the shortest runs. We do the same with #12 which can carry 30 amps in short lengths. (look at the tables in the code book and you will notice the footnote about derating both) For that reason, while I would never use a smaller wire, #14 in pigtail length would have no problem with carrying the load and would probably not even get warm. Another good point about the green ground screw for the DIY guy, mounting screws are not allowed for grounding, ever.....but I would rather see it grounded to a mounting screw than not at all!
@Mike__B
@Mike__B Год назад
Yeah, hence difference tables for "chassis wiring" and "power transmission" that you often see in tables, smaller lengths are fine. That said, if I'm running NM wire, I'm using the same gauge if anything due to convenience of snipping off a piece of the roll I'm using for the hot, neutral and ground pig tails I'm all making.
@pheadland
@pheadland Год назад
Voltage drop is proportional to length, so the heating effect per inch will be the same for a pigtail as it is for twenty feet in the wall.
@gerdberg4188
@gerdberg4188 Год назад
14 is not rated for 12 amps , rather it is not allowed to be loaded to more than 12 amps . It actually has higher ratings in the tables for deration purposes
@gerdberg4188
@gerdberg4188 Год назад
Ya no no mounting screw
@jeffreystroman2811
@jeffreystroman2811 Год назад
I'm better than good, and I don't pre twist my wires, pretty sure I've not ever had a connection fail. Wire nuts are a tension device squeezing and digging into the wires. If we consider the surface area making contact it's not hard to why twisting is counterproductive, especially when the manufacturer of the wire nuts says to not do it. I believe it may be leftover from the days of ceramic nuts, in that case it's most likely better, or even necessary
@missyounorm33
@missyounorm33 Год назад
I have watched 3 of your vids. I’ve been a DIYer for years. Man I was doing it all wrong. Thank you!
@HowToHomeDIY
@HowToHomeDIY Год назад
You are welcome. Really glad to hear you have found value in the channel. Thanks a lot for the feedback!
@choccolocco
@choccolocco Год назад
I was also taught to “pretwist” the wires, and also to pigtail the outlets. More work, but it makes a difference.
@HowToHomeDIY
@HowToHomeDIY Год назад
I agree. Thanks for the feedback!
@steveb365
@steveb365 Год назад
The UL certification process for twisted wire nuts requires that they make a solid connection without pre-twisting. This assumes a proper number of connectors and properly stripping and positioning them before twisting. No solid connection, no certification.
@MobileTaz
@MobileTaz Год назад
@Steve B Certification means jack shit. Not pre-twisting is a great way to end up with a high resistance connection that causes a fire. Hell, I just had one on my own water heater - which was installed by a licensed plumber (who are not required to hold electrician licenses). After 4 years I all of a sudden had no hot water, and found the breaker tripped. When I investigated, I found the nut connection in the heater junction was high resistance and had over the years gradually melted the insulation off over a foot of #10 armor sleeved Romex undetected until it finally shorted out. So yeah, anyone who doesn't pre-twist nut connections is a disgrace to their profession.
@jaygosch8705
@jaygosch8705 10 месяцев назад
I learned to pre twist too. After doing that for a few years, one day I read the instructions on the bag of wire nuts and it said there was no need to pre twist. I did some work for a neighbor and didn't pre twist. A couple weeks later, they told me the light I installed was flickering. I checked the wire nuts and one of the wires had come loose. I removed all the wire nuts I had installed, pre twisted, and put them back on. No complaints after that and I learned the importance of pre twisting. That was a long time ago and what I've found since then is that 2 wires in a wire nut can hold without pre twisting, but for 3 or more, I always pre twist. Pulling a little on each wire after pre twisting and installing the wire nut also helps insure that one of the wires didn't slip and become loose when you were installed the wire nut. I like the comments about not tightening the clamp too tight on the Romex connector. Back in the 1970's when I started wiring, the insulation was significantly thicker and you could make the clamp tight without trouble. But when installing 12/3 w/g for a new outlet, I tightened the clamp too much and caused a short. I had noticed the much thinner insulation, but didn't think about the clamp cutting through it. I'm always careful tightening clamps now..
@JohnMaxGriffin
@JohnMaxGriffin Год назад
Wire size changes in a circuit happen all the time. As long as the wire ampacity exceeds the breaker there’s no issue with having different gauges of wire in a Wago. In fact one of the massive benefits of Wagos over other other wire nut alternatives is how easy it is to adapt from say 12ga to 16ga. Of course when installing a new breaker and running a new circuit you should just select the appropriate wire gauge. But oftentimes wiring is oversized for the breaker, and the equipment you’re tying in has smaller wiring than the circuit.
@mikemccormack3997
@mikemccormack3997 Год назад
I seen wagos fail in high hat lighting where the lamp heat combined with attic humidity caused corrosion. Not a fan as the actual size of the surface contact is less than a regular wire nut.
@atlantajunglepythons1744
@atlantajunglepythons1744 Год назад
@@mikemccormack3997 at least Wagos are outrageously $$$
@sparksmcgee6641
@sparksmcgee6641 10 месяцев назад
​@@mikemccormack3997how would the same not happen in a nut?
@scottdowney4318
@scottdowney4318 8 месяцев назад
the bare wires are touching each other, and the wire nut screw ring cuts into and surrounds the outer copper surface of the wires. Then copper wire corrosion less of an issue than the metal surface of a wago ? A lot more force bears down onto the bare copper using a wire nut.@@sparksmcgee6641
@Humbulla93
@Humbulla93 7 месяцев назад
​@@mikemccormack3997wago got you covered with their 207-1331 it's ipx-8 rated
@2fathomsdeeper
@2fathomsdeeper Год назад
Once you have a Wago connector filled, do a wrap of tape around it. It prevents the levers getting caught and potentially releasing the wire.
@phukyew14
@phukyew14 Год назад
This is how I was taught
@maxking3
@maxking3 Год назад
WAGO as a German company has a lot of accessories you won’t find elsewhere. Spelsberg ABOX SL 2.5/4 has plastic “sockets” where you can push the WAGO’s in once they’re connected, which makes everything look nice and prevents the levers to be opened. Google for an image - it’s brilliant and an incredible time saver.
@PongoXBongo
@PongoXBongo Год назад
@@maxking3 Any idea if those boxes are code-compliant in the US?
@maxking3
@maxking3 Год назад
@@PongoXBongo I can only see the VDE certs for these boxes on their website. Other components are listed also with IEC and UL Type Ratings, which would be sufficient for the US. So I guess the answer is either „No“ or „Not yet“. (But they‘re really cool nonetheless!)
@barotraumabruce4245
@barotraumabruce4245 10 месяцев назад
I appreciate what you’re saying about the #14 used as a pigtail when the circuit is, apparently, 20-amp. However, I had this very discussion with the authority having jurisdiction (the inspector) when he tried to ding me for it. If installing multiple devices on a 20-amp circuit the NEC allows that those devices be rated at 15-amps. Using that logic I argued successfully that my pigtails could be #14. This same inspector once had a conniption when one of our guys didn’t use the code required green grounding screw to bond a metal enclosure. I asked him what the most important part of all this was and he said, “Grounding, of course!” I asked if it was and he said it was but the screw wasn’t green. A 10-32 screw is a 10-32 screw. I’d rather see it grounded with the “wrong” screw than not “because you didn’t want to break that rule.” In our trade there is nothing more important than grounding. Thank you for doing this video!
@bryanteverson4071
@bryanteverson4071 Год назад
For bonding, I always leave one ground longer so I can wrap it around the screw and have the same wire continue to the wirenut. One less wire to deal with.
@wmcomprev
@wmcomprev Год назад
What I would see a lot of people do to fix the ground would be to take advantage of the length of ground wire coming out of the Romex before it gets to the twisting and just wrap that around the ground screw. This would be especially true if they forgot to ground the box. To do so quickly, they'd start the ground screw, pull the wire over to it, give it a short wrap, and tighten down the screw. Technically, this would likely violate the minimum wire length, but it would be functional. If you did it before trimming the wire to twist it, then you could leave enough length from the screw to meet the minimum length.
@wizard3z868
@wizard3z868 Год назад
You can always extend the wire especially a ground with a wire nut , wago, push in , or a coppercrimp
@biffmalibu3733
@biffmalibu3733 Год назад
I always leave one long just for that reason. I've seen some old houses where the bond was pinched under the box. Not code but at least it has a bond
@jaquigreenlees
@jaquigreenlees Год назад
@@biffmalibu3733 I've seen metal boxes tied to conduit where the ground was secured to the danged clamp for the conduit + box connection. Then you get to the panel and see a massive bare copper cable tied from the panel through the concrete, literally "grounding" the ground.
@roguestatus9297
@roguestatus9297 9 месяцев назад
Dawg...get this . back in the day with metal conduit (running between metal boxes) you didn't need a designated ground wire ... You only needed to pull in your current carrying (hots)and your neutrals... the mechanically connected pipe itself acted as the ground
@roguestatus9297
@roguestatus9297 9 месяцев назад
Also when all plumbing was copper... An exceptable ground was taking a grounding electrode conductor (bare copper) from the panel and basically clamping it to a cold water pipe. (Which is still practiced today where there is copper plumbing ..but only as a supplementary (essentially backup) ground)....
@Ike1721
@Ike1721 Год назад
Small correction: You do not NEED to use a ground screw to ground the box. Article 250.8 A) lists permitted methods for grounding and bonding, #5 is "machine screw-type fasteners that engage not less than two threads or are secured with a nut". So any 10-32, 8-32, 6-32 etc. type screw can be used as long as it engages at least two threads or is secured by a nut. Note you cannot use regular wood or sheet rock screws. With that being said those ground screws are a great option because the wide head makes it easy to grip the wire, but if you don't have them handy, a regular machine screw will satisfy code requirements.
@beestek
@beestek Год назад
I think the intention of the NEC code is to ensure a coarse threaded screw ( i.e. wood screw or sheetrock screw) is not used for this purpose. A machine screw thread, has a much tighter thread, and is less likely to come loose from its metallic seat.
@mthibeau
@mthibeau Год назад
A lot of people think that screw has to be green and it does not. the only screw that has to be green is when you are bonding a service neutral to the ground in a panel or first means of disconnect.
@GordiusSecurius
@GordiusSecurius Год назад
Although you are technically correct. It's bad trade practice. I know of inspectors who would fail just because a proper ground screw was not used. However that was Canada, where bad trade practice or sloppy work is written into the CEC as failable. Not sure about the NEC. In Canada the same thing applies to not pretwisting your conductors for marrettes/wirenuts. It's bad trade practice and failable.
@TKC_
@TKC_ Год назад
Can you still use grounding clips? I’ve seen 1980s construction that just clipped the wires to front edge of the box.
@TKC_
@TKC_ Год назад
And I have failed inspection solely for not using green on a new sub panel and garage install.
@hornetd
@hornetd 4 месяца назад
One more thing you might want to mention is putting a push penny; properly a knock out blank; in that open knock out. That opening is how the molten metal spatter from an arcing fault would escape the box and ignite the structure. Knock out blanks come in a couple of different configurations. If the blank isn't listed by a recognized testing laboratory then it must be as thick as the box wall itself. One quite effective expedient is 2 fender washers installed inside and outside the knock out held in place with 1/4-20 hardware. Tom Horne
@robertpearson8798
@robertpearson8798 Год назад
There was a short period of time in the 1950's where grounded wiring was used but not grounded outlets. The ground wires were connected to the boxes only. My house was done this way so I went around to every outlet with a grounded box, replaced the receptacles with three prong, and used pigtails to connect them to the grounded boxes.
@gerdberg4188
@gerdberg4188 Год назад
Should have used plastic boxes . Unless you had metal cable .
@chucksmalfus9623
@chucksmalfus9623 Год назад
@@gerdberg4188 not practical, how are you gonna replace all the boxes with plastic without destroying the house
@robertpearson8798
@robertpearson8798 Год назад
@@gerdberg4188 Metal boxes are still used here and they still have to be grounded as well.
@drwalker9093
@drwalker9093 Год назад
That time period varied. My mother's house - built in 1962 - had ground wires running to the boxes only. That made it easy to change to grounded outlets. The boxes are small, and GFCI outlets would not fit until Eaton offered their smaller ones. Another thing I had not seen before: No wire nuts in the original wiring. Instead, wires had been stripped, twisted, and a sleeve crimped around them, then a wrap with rubber tape. That took a LOT of labor.
@2manycatsforadime
@2manycatsforadime Год назад
I think that the grounded boxes of some years ago, even conduit that ran between boxes used an outlet that self grounded through the mounting ears to the metal box. When changing outlets in these older boxes make sure you don't grab a handful of the 49 cent vriety. Most of those do not self ground to an older system. That cheap shit should be outlawed, 49 cents against a correct outlet which will save your house or life.
@pierreforget3357
@pierreforget3357 Год назад
As I can see, In Canada, we have better boxes. The box comes with the larger ground screw and there is a recess on each side of the screw which keeps the wire from going out. Even with your green screw and the fact that you correctly looped the wire around the screw, the wire tends to go out of the screw on the left side. We also have theses green screws but usually, they have something to retain the wire in the receptacle to retain the wire. Nice video and well explained.
@zigmeisterful
@zigmeisterful Год назад
Yep, the boxes here pretty much always come with the ground screw. I think the green screw might be more of an American thing though as the screw that comes on boxes here are usually a silver colored pan head with a much wider head that helps lock the wire in place better. We do have some receptacles and light switches here that come with a green ground wire screw, but I'd imagine that those are built to American electrical standards, but have also gained CSA approval.
@billymacktexasdetective5827
But you are still in Canada so does it matter much that your boxes are better? Canada, where freedom goes to die...
@stevedixon921
@stevedixon921 Год назад
​@@billymacktexasdetective5827 Careful casting stones there bro. The country South of Canada has no freedom other than the freedom to make poor choices and that is the last I'll say about that (off topic). The fact a plastic box even HAS a ground screw in it is to make it brain dead easy to locate the ground cluster by following the wire attached TO that screw. Personally, I just wish all these boxes were deeper than they are so I don't have to stuff the wires in like the worst game of Tetris ever invented when installing dimmers and timers.
@brizzle8797
@brizzle8797 Год назад
@stevedixon921 Easy there. That country that apparently makes those poor choices is the ONLY reason Canada has not been invaded and claimed by whomever really. So let's not get carried away!
@stevedixon921
@stevedixon921 Год назад
@@brizzle8797Not something I choose to unpack today, but thank you for the candor. Have good day now, eh.
@suggesttwo
@suggesttwo Год назад
When twisting 2-4 wires together I like to hold them with needle nose pliers and twist them together with linesman pliers. Your ground twist is pretty loose.
@ericlaing435
@ericlaing435 Год назад
Here in Canada, ALL our boxes come with bond screws. We don't have to buy anything extra. They do NOT have to be green they just have to be the "proper thread". Also, if your connectors fail (wire nut/wago as you call them - which we frown upon here as they only contact a very small portion of conductor) and the conductor hits the metal box, that's installer error and you shouldn't be touching this type of thing regardless. It, which has been mentioned, is NOT a fire hazard to use a smaller gauge wire. Good example is in motor circuits where you can fuse a 14awg wire at (up to) 1600% of it's ampacity. Usually 300-600% but it can go higher.
@snafunet
@snafunet Год назад
Yes, the metal box should be grounded but grounding the box doesn't protect you from getting shocked. What really happens is if the box becomes energized and the box is grounded, then the breaker should trip because it causes a short. If you touch the box before the breaker trips, you will be shocked. Remember, grounding doesn't protect people from getting shocked, it just allows OCPD to operate properly.
@Krab17
@Krab17 Год назад
Even if you do get shocked, you won't be the sole path to ground, and if you have the proper shoes, a 120V receptacle won't send enough amperage through the heart to kill you.
@JayJay-gl2df
@JayJay-gl2df Год назад
The chances of the wire touching the box and somebody touching the box that sitting behind a wall at the exact same time I probably a million to one
@snafunet
@snafunet Год назад
@@JayJay-gl2df Still, grounding is meant to protect wires from shorting and causing fires. It's not meant to protect people from being shocked. Regarding the box behind the sheet rock, the metal screw(s) on a typical plastic cover plate is grounded to the receptacle or the switch device which is grounded to the box, so technically you just would need to touch that screw.
@Krab17
@Krab17 Год назад
@@JayJay-gl2df The Breaker won't always trip, and OCPD only works if there's an overcurrent. If the box is active with 8-50 ohms. Amperage could get up to 14A without tripping. With a proper ground, it would spike to 40-60A and instantly trip the breaker. GFCI rated equipment would catch this, but are 3x more expensive. There's also less than a 1/1million chance that a breaker is defective and remains open.
@JayJay-gl2df
@JayJay-gl2df Год назад
@@Krab17 two things though not that I would use a metal box but if there is a metal box make sure it's earthed so if the active does break off it will trip the breaker and replace the breaker with a Earth leakage circuit breaker I don't know in your country if they have them but in Australia you just swap out the old circuit breaker and put in a combination circuit breaker combined Earth leakage breaker One Piece unit it takes the place of the old circuit breaker
@gregkeeyako
@gregkeeyako Год назад
If you want to use wagos, make sure to get these 221 lever ones, they are sweet.
@odinsfather
@odinsfather Год назад
In Norway, we always use electrical insulation stocking on the ground wire. And almost only quick-release clamps are used, like Wago.
@cody1612
@cody1612 Год назад
Great video. I’m running new power to my garage to get more outlets. They previously ran power thru the cinder block. I’m trying to find a video that shows the proper way to bring power from the basement thru to the garage.
@BadAppless7
@BadAppless7 Год назад
Great Job, just wanted to let you know I think you have one of the best approaches and by far the most useful, easy to understand formats of any educational videos on RU-vid. The videos are accurate and explain the necessary information and steps needed to complete the process and installation of the particular project being worked on. The instructions given are simple and easy to follow and there are no unnecessary procedures or tangents to distract or overcomplicate the lesson. You give some different options including the preferred method you like to use for the situation. Most importantly, you make sure the message, "Of what not to do! or this is dangerous BECAUSE!" is pointed out without being overbearing or sounding ridiculous. I think you explain yourself well, giving you credibility for your knowledge of the trade. I typically don't like watching RU-vid videos for many different reasons; the lack of hosts' intelligence and no confidence in the material being discussed. Primarily my main objection is when the teacher of the video tries to be a comedian or brings their personal life into the show. You understand the importance of the lesson and respect the viewer's time. I would like to ask you if you could do a segment on " How To" #1. Wire 3 and 4-way switches power to light/ power to switch, receptacle in the middle. #2 where to start when wiring a lighting circuit and how many rooms and LED fixtures can a 20 amp breaker carry( I know most lighting circuits are 15 amp) #3 a bedroom receptacle circuit. All circuits starting from the panel, like new construction.
@HowToHomeDIY
@HowToHomeDIY Год назад
Well I am really glad to hear you are finding value in the content! Thanks a lot for sharing all of that with me. Those are all good subjects! I will see if I can get some of it into one of the videos! Thanks a lot for the ideas and again for the well thought out feedback!
@hogroamer260
@hogroamer260 Год назад
I'd be much more concerned with the connectorless wire insulation being cut by the rough edge of the box than the wiring being pulled loose. But, I also put a romex staple within 12" of the box.
@Voyager23B
@Voyager23B Год назад
Right on! 👍
@dwightbiddle2779
@dwightbiddle2779 11 месяцев назад
Good point. I had a neutral wire get frayed from the box when installing it Didn't realize it until I flipped the breaker on. The breaker immediately tripped and once I investigated and found the problem, I realized how lucky I was I didn't burn the house down. If I hadn't been there and it hadn't tripped, it could have been bad news. Do be careful when pushing the wires back in the box.
@brunothehumble
@brunothehumble Год назад
point of note to be had for any contractors that do upfits to add these kinds of boxes. the company i work for builds industrial controls and one of the products we make are essentially the control buildings that run chemical plants and similar installations. as such we run all the utility wiring for these buildings and that includes mounting receptacles and lights and all the related conduit and boxes. these metal 4x4 boxes can be purchases with not only the ground screw pre-installed but also with a 8 inch 12 awg green wire already preinstalled as well. just a small time saver a lot of people aren't aware of.
@MountaineerOutdoors
@MountaineerOutdoors Год назад
Great video. However as you stated that you have to use a green ground screw. I agree with you on that but code says that you can use a screw that is machine type and color truly doesn't matter. Now for me I am like you, I use green because I have thousands. Your videos are very helpful and I always appreciate a great tradesm. Keep up the good work.
@HowToHomeDIY
@HowToHomeDIY Год назад
I agree, there is no code for color and they need to be machine screws. I just stated what I did about the screws as you know they are going to work and they are so easy to find for folks in the electrical section. Wouldn’t want someone just using a deck screw. Thanks a lot for the feedback! I have enjoyed and learned a few things from your videos as well.
@gerdberg4188
@gerdberg4188 Год назад
Yes there is mention of green screws
@snap-off5383
@snap-off5383 Год назад
@@gerdberg4188 That's for the MAIN or SUPPLY jumper (if its a jumper - The main panel bonding jumper)
@spelunkerd
@spelunkerd Год назад
The third most common beginner mistake is to not do a box fill calculation to be sure the box volume is large enough to accommodate the wires, etc. This can be a big problem when adding something on to a preexisting box like a GFCI or more wires to retrofit a new branch for another plug down the line.
@wizard3z868
@wizard3z868 Год назад
Lrnd tht a long time ago. Always use a deep box for gfci,dimmers,Decora it's not much more money and you will save on the labor or work harder to save money up front but I lrned a longwhile time is money and so is energy lol
@ACommenterOnYouTube
@ACommenterOnYouTube Год назад
Its more the hard to bend copper that is the issue when trying to get a gfci outlet in there. Yes the gfci is a lot deeper but trying to get those 14 gauge wires to bend and push back into that tiny box is a task in itself. Maybe super flexible romex 🤷🏽‍♂️
@Mike_H76
@Mike_H76 Год назад
So now I have to learn what a "box fill calculation" is!!! When do I stop being a beginner and enter the intermediate stage of DIY'ing? I mean, I've stabbed myself with sharp wires at least 50 times and got tickled by the zappy electrons twice!
@wizard3z868
@wizard3z868 Год назад
@@Mike_H76 sparky channel or electrician u great vids on the topic
@gerdberg4188
@gerdberg4188 Год назад
Y a that’s right some wants a gfi …..old metal box …….three pairs no ground …..gfi won¡t fit ……. I am sorry it is only going to cost you 500 dollars to change this outlet !!!!!!
@lukesenft4307
@lukesenft4307 7 месяцев назад
DIYer giving electrical advice, love to see it!
@HowToHomeDIY
@HowToHomeDIY 7 месяцев назад
Glad to hear it.
@nathanmarchiano5980
@nathanmarchiano5980 Год назад
Thanks for the content. Good stuff. Suggestion for future content: an electrician is coming tomorrow for a kitchen remodel ... consult. (They will do the work another day.) What are things I can consider and do to GET THE MOST OUT OF AN ELECTRICIAN - quality work, productivity, and EXPERTISE included? Sure, there is no-brainer stuff like clearing a path to the panel, but I was surprised to hear from an expert to NOT clean the area too much as it might hide clues when troubleshooting problems. Should I have a laundry list of other items that could be picked up, or should I limit the "extras" to just one or two? What do you encounter that customers could do to make your job easier? What have customers done for you that really made your day? Do you accept tips? How often are you tipped? Is it better to tip before the work, or after? What am I missing?
@fredgarvinMP
@fredgarvinMP Год назад
These are the questions I would love if more customers asked. Here are the answers: * Hire a licensed electrical contractor. * DO clear any personal items in the area where he/she will be working. * DON'T try and work on it first or take off cover plates or anything. * If the electrician is there hourly, feel free to ask if he/she would mind looking at a couple things. If they're there on a a specific task they were contracted for, that would be a separate deal that would need to be worked out. * To make our jobs easier, have your car moved so we can park as close to the work as possible as we make many trips back and forth to the truck. Lock your dogs up outside the work area and try to keep them from barking all day. Same goes for you'd kids🙂. * Offer them a cold drink. * Yes, we graciously accept tips which I get every once in a while. Make tipping the last thing you do as they're leaving. * Don't try and help. If a customer watches me work I'm not bothered but I would prefer otherwise. SOURCE: I'm an electrician. Hope this helps!
@johndavidwolf4239
@johndavidwolf4239 Год назад
Would the 14 gage pigtail be okay if the circuit that the box was on was protected be a 15 amp breaker?
@ElementofKindness
@ElementofKindness Год назад
Yes, it would.
@gerdberg4188
@gerdberg4188 Год назад
Yes
@wallywest2360
@wallywest2360 Год назад
I'll just throw this out there as a general tip for anyone working on older houses like mine. Always treat the box, receptacle, whatever you're working on as if it is live. Even if you just flipped the breaker and tested the circuit. I'm remodeling my kitchen, in a house that was built in 1920. Wiring is sketchy to say the least, but everything I've found so far in the wall I'm working on is modern Romex so I wasn't too worried. Yeah, well I shut off power to a circuit I was going to modify and add some receptacles to. I plugged a tester into the outlet I was about to take apart, it did nothing. Once I took the cover off and pulled the receptacle out a bit I tested the circuit with a multi-meter. No juice detected. So I started disconnecting things. I had already pulled the hot wires off and was working on the neutral wires. As soon as I got one of them a bit loose and was wiggling it to pull it away from the screw I got a bit of arcing. I was wearing mechanics gloves with a rubberized coating, and using tools with plastic handles, so I didn't feel anything. My theory now is some other circuit nearby must be stealing neutral from the one I was working on. Pretty common in old houses. At that point I told my wife to light some candles and shut the main power off to finish the work. So yeah, just like with guns, always assume it's "loaded". There are videos out there on how to safely work on live circuits. You shouldn't do it on purpose, but using the techniques every time you touch a circuit is a good plan anyway.
@blandflatland8915
@blandflatland8915 Год назад
Even newish house. Mine was built in 1999. Flipped breaker to living room tested an outlet and confirmed no power. Oh but the corner outlet near the hallway was live. Ouch…
@choimdachoim9491
@choimdachoim9491 Год назад
And...know who you're working with. While I'm adding ceiling lights and juice for an electric oven the homeowner was in the back of the house working on the bathroom wiring which I had no idea he was doing. When I throw in the breakers and walk back into the kitchen I hear his wife screaming about a fire and I could smell overheated wires. I thought I had made mistakes but his wife made him tell me the truth. He undid his work and my work tested perfect. He tried to lie about it but I had separated, metered and marked all wires in a 3-unit box when I started and when I hurriedly saved the breakers and began metering those wires again they were different than before. I showed him and his wife made him admit what he'd done. Without her I would have been there for days.
@t3hgr8gabbo
@t3hgr8gabbo Год назад
Was working in an old church and had a neutral wire arc to another neutral with the breakers already cut...
@choimdachoim9491
@choimdachoim9491 Год назад
@@t3hgr8gabbo fun times!
@jimhewettjr3730
@jimhewettjr3730 Год назад
I have grounded the metal boxes, but didn't know about using the same green screws as the ones used on the outlets. Now that I know it makes sense. The rest of the things I fortunately knew.
@rickmelcher1351
@rickmelcher1351 Год назад
Jim the green grounding screw on the receptacle is a smaller size then the one used in the metal box #8 - #10
@caribmedical57
@caribmedical57 Год назад
Great video for rookies like me. Very informative. Thanks so much. 🤗
@HowToHomeDIY
@HowToHomeDIY Год назад
You are very welcome! Glad you liked it. Thanks a lot for the feedback!
@thenextgen1able
@thenextgen1able Год назад
There's zero issues running 12 for your homerun and 14 to wire a 15A receptacle. The 12 saves voltage over distance, the 14 saves space in the box. The wire nor the receptacle are what determines current draw. It's the device you plug in. You wouldn't use 14 on a 20A receptacle, but as long as it's a 15A receptacle and breaker, or a switch powering a 15A receptacle or just a ceiling fan/light, you're 100% fine.
@drwalker9093
@drwalker9093 Год назад
I was thinking the same thing. Plus, many of the devices we connect use _even smaller_ wire - commonly 16 or 18awg - inside. We have a horse arena where I used 10awg stranded for the 20A light & the 20A plug circuits, because many of the runs are over 200 feet. (Also because I bought a former electrician's entire inventory of wire spools, and it had a lot of 10awg.) Attached to the 10awg, there are 12awg solid jumpers to each receptacle - inspector-approved. (When designed it, 20 years ago, all-the-lights-on would draw 14+ Amps on 3 of the 20A lighting circuits - but LEDs have made that about 7A per circuit these days.)
@cda32
@cda32 Год назад
Absolutely BUT to be "to code" the wiring has to match the rating of the receptacle
@chapagawa
@chapagawa Год назад
Probably best just to stick with 12 gauge the whole run as if someone in the future saw the 12 wire in the circuit breaker and decided to swap out to a 20A breaker, you might be in trouble.
@j777
@j777 Год назад
Just wrong. The whole point of a breaker is to protect the wires, so 20A=12 gauge. You don't know when a faulty device will be plugged in and you want the breaker to jump before any wires start a fire.
@gregkeyser1642
@gregkeyser1642 Год назад
Running 12 for a HR and dropping to 14 at the device will NOT PASS inspection. Ok by code to step up wire size, not down. Kind of counter intuitive, but specified in NEC ..
@tkirchmann
@tkirchmann Год назад
Pretty sure you're allowed to run 12 gauge wire off a 15A breaker if you want/need in which case the 14 gauge wire would be fine. That being said if it was off a 20A breaker I'd generally avoid it but I would have to review the appropriate electrical code to see if there are any special cases that would allow 14 gauge wire to be used for 20A which may apply.
@HowToHomeDIY
@HowToHomeDIY Год назад
You can run #12 on a 15 amp. However, should never run different sized wires on a circuit. The next person may assume the circuit is capable of a 20 amp circuit breaker. Every situation is different.
@tkirchmann
@tkirchmann Год назад
@@HowToHomeDIY Agreed.
@gerdberg4188
@gerdberg4188 Год назад
@@HowToHomeDIY if the next person assumes , then they did not do their home work . Yes you can protect 12 gauge at 15 amps . Maybe you have a 450 foot run to an out building with a piece of equipment . It could very well require 10 gauge wire to support a 15 amp circuit . You cannot protect 14 gauge any higher than 15 amps in any case no exceptions . Well except motors of course .
@etherealrose2139
@etherealrose2139 Год назад
@@gerdberg4188 what's the ampacity of 14ga THHN? Much higher than 14NM-B
@gerdberg4188
@gerdberg4188 Год назад
@@etherealrose2139 the conductors in the Romex assembly are thhn
@fvrrljr
@fvrrljr Год назад
photovoltaic / solar thermal technician here, pre-twist wire for my wire nuts all day long till the cows come home is my preferred way to do it. don't like wago inside box for my outlets, i do use them in other applications great video 👍
@strangerofthe2067
@strangerofthe2067 Год назад
I LOVE reading the discussions/arguments that go on in the comments of every single electrical related video on RU-vid 😂
@PetrosArgy
@PetrosArgy Год назад
Additionally, all the wires coming into the box should extend a minimum of 6-in from the final finished surface (box edge if surface mounted or plaster ring if recessed) once spliced together which may mean leaving up to 9-10 inches of stripped wire in the box for each conductor. The pigtails don't count as this length. This is the biggest mistake DIY-ers make with ANY kind of electrical box.
@ShamelessHellions
@ShamelessHellions Год назад
NEC 300.14 => 6" of free conductor from the point where it emerges from the sheath, and if the box is smaller than 8" on a side (like you can't get you hand in the box because its just a two gang box), then 3" of the total must extend beyond the opening. Most nail on plastic boxes are less than 3" deep. Working with wires that come out just 3" from the box totally sucks. But that is minimum code. My habit is to have 9" total length of free conductor. Easier to work with.
@jamesgarrison6430
@jamesgarrison6430 Год назад
I go 8 inches from where they come in to the end because that's my hand size easy to make it all the same
@bosborn1
@bosborn1 Год назад
Not just DIY’ers. I’ve seen plenty electricians cut the wires too short. I always cut the wires to the length of my lineman’s when cutting in. That way you have plenty extra when you go to trim out. Nothing worse that having to do service work on devices that have about 3 inches of wire past the box.
@snap-off5383
@snap-off5383 Год назад
That's a myth that needs busting, its not from the box edge, its from where it comes into the box. Too long can be just as much of a pain or more than too short, especially with larger gauge wires on bigger receptacles, you're not even close to approaching box fill from a yoke and wires standpoint, but its obviously ridiculously too crowded when you try to shut it up.
@PetrosArgy
@PetrosArgy Год назад
@@snap-off5383 It's my "opinion" that it should which is why I wrote "should" rather than "shall." By code, conductors shall extend at least 3-in from any box with an opening less than 8-in in any dimension. So if you're installing a deep metal wall case (4-in) you need at least 7-1/2-in of stripped wire to meet code minimum (taking minimum bending radius into account). Strip the wires ~3/4-in to terminate to a device, and you're attaching that device about two inches away from the front of the box. Fun. But go ahead, let's tell the DIY-ers that it's okay to do that crap. Who cares about professional best practices anyway? Right?
@tanker242
@tanker242 8 месяцев назад
Like others have said… the 14awg combo isn’t all bad for such a short run since it will not cause much voltage drop, but it would be a weak point depending on the length of the run being used. 4 inches of 14 awg can easily carry 20 amps if the total run resistance does not cause the voltage drop to pull enough amps over 14awg to cause a fire.
@Galgamoth
@Galgamoth 4 месяца назад
still a code violation
@melvinlewiswellsjr.6728
@melvinlewiswellsjr.6728 Год назад
😃great job and correct too....i like to twist my ground wires with pliers to get them nice and snug together when possible with a set of linemans pliers, etc....
@HowToHomeDIY
@HowToHomeDIY Год назад
Yup, I also find it just makes a nice solid connection that you can rely on! Thanks a lot for the feedback Melvin! Really glad to hear you liked it.
@johnstreet797
@johnstreet797 Год назад
Good presentation. I have seen green wire huts with a hole in the end which you push one ground wire through to go to the bonding nut. Twisting them all together is the best.
@cscavalry
@cscavalry Год назад
A better way to do the ground wire would be to use a “Greenie”. It’s a green wire nut but with a hole at the top. One wire is longer than the others, it connects the wires normally but the longer one is sticking out to screw to the box.
@HowToHomeDIY
@HowToHomeDIY Год назад
Certainly an option. I definitely like using the greenie in many applications. Thanks for the input!
@maxwellsmart3156
@maxwellsmart3156 Год назад
With the neutral/white wires, they don't look twisted in the wire nut. At least compared to the ground wires.
@bb55555555
@bb55555555 Год назад
I noticed that too.
@davidmccartney339
@davidmccartney339 Год назад
@@bb55555555 they don’t need to be, but go Wago or go home. Problem solved.
@BurbSK-bi2wh
@BurbSK-bi2wh Год назад
@@davidmccartney339 wagos don't always hold well
@bb55555555
@bb55555555 Год назад
@@davidmccartney339 totally agree. love wagos
@bb55555555
@bb55555555 Год назад
@@BurbSK-bi2wh true they're not full proof. but neither is wire nuts. all the more reason to check your work before you turn on power
@ripleyadamski
@ripleyadamski Год назад
You should also have a ground pig tail for the ground ti the outlet. Also, Some push connectors are only rated for #14 wire. I only use push connectors for #14 wire in lighting circuits. I use #12 on all receptacle circuits, pretwist and wire nuts.
@HowToHomeDIY
@HowToHomeDIY Год назад
That last ground pigtail is in there. It is just hiding behind the neutrals..
@tookalook1
@tookalook1 6 месяцев назад
Well thank you you taught this old Souper tradesman a lot on this video. I own 8 tradesman certificate's the one trade I just don't play with is electrical. I would much rather get a certified electrician. But I am 100% thankful to you for teaching me how to inspect. Thank you .
@tchevrier
@tchevrier Год назад
with respect to the ground wires. I find that it is easier to take the ground wire from the incoming cable and cut it a little longer. Then loop it around the ground screw and with the extra length you can then twist it together with the remaining ground wires.
@HowToHomeDIY
@HowToHomeDIY Год назад
Yup that would work. Although surprisingly I have had people argue with me on that too haha. Thanks for the input.
@tchevrier
@tchevrier Год назад
@@HowToHomeDIY very nice video
@50srefugee
@50srefugee Год назад
I'veused green wire nuts with a hole in the top, so you can leave the supply conductor extra long, twist the other wires around it a few inches down from the end, and feed the resulting pigtail through the wire nut top. This is more secure, and keeps you from having an extra conductor in the nut. (these are large nuts, and can take plenty of conductors. But if you are on the edge...)
@tchevrier
@tchevrier Год назад
@@50srefugee interesting. I've never seen a green one, nor one with a hole. thanks
@jonanderson5137
@jonanderson5137 Год назад
Make sure IF you use the continuous conductor as your ground that you leave enough wire before hitting the ground screw. At some point those wires are going to move and that pinched ground is going to break. If you leave a neat 3" or 4" before the screw you'll be able to extend the ground in the box and save a headache.
@glasshalffull2930
@glasshalffull2930 Год назад
You didn’t mention the backstabbed receptacles ‘electricians’ love to use!!! Strange, weren’t all those wire nuts twists installed by “licensed electricians???” I’ve seen substandard electrical installations by ‘professionals’ my entire life (in my 60s). First thing I do in a new residence is check all the receptacles and wire nuts. As far as UL Wagos, anything that will help the DIYer do a safe connection should be encouraged.
@ElementofKindness
@ElementofKindness Год назад
I was looking for a comment on stabbed in wires on devices. I refuse to use that method. Same goes with using wagos. Screw terminals and wirenuts only, for me.
@njineermike
@njineermike Год назад
I despise those things. Every time I have to service an outlet with those used, they never release correctly and I need to cut and restrip the wire.
@njineermike
@njineermike Год назад
@@ElementofKindness Wagos are fine if used correctly. They're UL tested and NEC approved. They're also easier to add or remove circuits. We use them in industrial applications all the tie.
@ElementofKindness
@ElementofKindness Год назад
@@njineermike so are stab in receptacles, but I still don't use them. I'd like to see infrared images of stab connections and wagos at full circuit current.
@njineermike
@njineermike Год назад
@@ElementofKindness Those images are available on this platform. The difference between the Wagos and stab in receptacles is that Wagos are serviceable and stab in are supposed to be, but either the wire tends to fail at the connection point, or the stab release fails and the wire has to be cut. Both situations make the connection point unusable and requiring replacement of the entire receptacle because there is a wire fragment stuck in it.
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