Market cap has little to do on how you are perceived in the market. It shows how investors perceive your company, not unimportant but totally irrelevant to an enthusiast. I'll stick to my K, designed and manufactured in Germany and my VFR, designed and manufactured in Japan. From marques that both mean something to an enthusiast... Call me old fashioned, I take it as a compliment. No KTMs, Triumphs for me. In fact I sold my Jag when Tata bought the company, seriously. And for clear political reasons I avoid Chinese products. I try to buy as many European made products as I can. It is not always possible as even famous brands have moved production to countries that are in the end of the day enemies of the west. We should never forget that!
lol. Market cap might not drive buyers but as you say. It does drive investment 😊 the rest will come in time I’m sure. But in many ways our markets are tiny and insignificant to them. We just don’t matter that much anymore. As to enemies of the west. I think in general we are our own worst enemy 😊 why is India an enemy of the west?
I wouldn't be so quick to throw about the term "enemies", they are competitors. We are all competitors. Even when we were in the EU we were competing for investment and economic success with our European neighbours, despite the cooperation that the project has fostered.
@@pauln6803 China, just 1 example, is NOT a competitor. It is an enemy. The CCP is not a friend of the western world. I know the difference very well. I'm no neo liberal so I give things and people their proper name, in case of China (and many more states) enemy is the proper description! It's high time we wake up!
K stands for the BMW K model? You are sure that all parts and buildings is done in Germany? bmw group werke: (and more) VOM STANDORT ZUM LEITWERK. Seit 1969 werden BMW Motorräder in Berlin produziert. ... MONTAGEWERK RAYONG THAILAND. Seit 2014 werden im Montagewerk Rayong BMW Motorräder produziert. ... MONTAGEWERK MANAUS BRASILIEN. ... AUFTRAGSFERTIGUNG LONCIN CHINA. ... AUFTRAGSFERTIGUNG TVS INDIEN.
Bajaj have been around for decades. No problems with company. However object like hell when likes of triumph, ktm, piagio, etc get bikes built there and then try peddling them in western countries, badged as western makes, marketed at western prices! Mahindra doing same with BSA!
Two thoughts, because I’m feeling lazy: Image is everything. And as a self confessed trusted brand snob, who founded an advertising agency in the 1980s based upon corporate image construction, virtually everything about BAJAJ gives me what the kids these days are calling ‘the ick’. But the business story is indeed impressive. And when compared with my impossible to hide disgust at the lamentable state of British motorcycle brands, and British industry as a whole, I must confess to a degree of curiosity. But here’s the thing: I AM A HUGE BRAND SNOB, and my snobbery is based upon perceived respect - to such an extent that, of the Japanese motoring marques, I only respect Honda and Toyota. However, some Suzukis Yamahas and even Kawasakis have gained some acceptable status. Why? Because at some point in the past, all the others (except the defunct Bridgestone) have also given me ‘the ick’…! In some cases, a single early encounter has soured my perception, or the type of owner behaving out of order in some way. This is probably totally illogical, I’m aware of that. But by way of just one example, despite being popular with others, the training scheme Kawasaki 100 felt tinny to me, and was actually less reliable than the old BSA Bantam D7(?) that I first rode on the road. The. There were the Yammy Fizzer owners who seemed to lack a few brain cells - as they bragged about the amount of money it cost to repair their screaming mopeds after dropping them, and how much they were spending on finance each week…! My humble second hand Honda C50 was bought for cash from its first owner, a proper bloke in a waterproof raincoat, by the name of Bill. Bill wouldn’t buy a BAJAJ 👀 Ride safe and free. Peace 🏴
Glad you enjoyed it and the rest mate. Welcome Norway 😊 I know I have several subscribers there now. And some of the T-shirts were posted there recently too 😊 was that you by any chance?
Never heard of them was Right..... but us American's would be last to pick up on an Indian company & before you said Kawasaki had done work w/ them, I was shaking my head at how sharp the bikes looked. I briefly wondered if maybe they had done like some Chinese & made a knock-off bike but they didn't have to which means they had the real deal in their bikes. That's an impressive deep dive into motorcycles & into the Corporate world of acquisitions/trades & smart deals that gave all involved a boost? Very good work, I learned a lot today! peace & be well GB
Worth noting from (the video says 2002, but my failing memory believed I saw Chetaks about in 1999) until 2008 Bajaj had a presence in the US selling their scooters and amazingly their tuk-tuks. They sold in the dozens, sadly.
With all their bikes/scooters, different partners and launching both private & collaborations, that number could've been any of their many offerings but I'd not heard of them in the US. They'd have hit NYCity/San Fran type places if anywhere & I did have a moped called a TOMOS Targa. A little 50cc bike that came w/ everything for the roads but 32mph wasn't that good so I added an exhaust & a better CDI which got me 10-12mph more on the top. After seeing how well this video was put together, I'm sure one could be made explaining how they missed the market here in the USA but I doubt it would be appreciated? Thanks for posting, peace
@@timhicks2154 in another year after they have unpacked ALL the MV tech??? CF Moto have already reworked the brutale engine and so it will go back to bajaj too
Oh yes, no doubt they’re coming. The fact that they’re closely working with several of the western brands in design and production is a testament of the times to come. The same goes for the chinese brands, that may be unknown to us by now, but wait and see. It can be seen on the E-cars from China, where the chinese has an aggressive marketing strategy. It’s very visible here in Denmark, where a big part of the sales of new cars are from China. BYD and MG being some og the leading brands together with Volvo. So I’m sure that we’ll se a developement in the sales of indian and chinese brands in the next five years. And it will without a doubt be very exiting.
Near the end of the video you mention that for every Bajaj sold that unit brings in more than every Triumph unit (400?) Consider the wages paid to workers, No? If you dont compensate the workers you are a company that is LESS not more
Not sure that came across right. What I was saying is that for every Triumph sold. Bajaj make more than Triumph. Triumph set the pricing and Triumph signed the deal with bajaj. As to how well bajaj pay their staff. That is a different story. Remember that cost of living is very much lower in India too. So although we may see their wages as low. In relation to cost of living they may not be. They may actually give those workers better comparable wages than they could otherwise get. Now I’m not saying they do. I’m just saying I don’t know. As to passing on profits to the workers I agree entirely. But unfortunately that rarely happens now with any companies driven by shareholders wherever they are based. Sad but true. I would love to know of any company you think does do that now? Cheers for such a thought provoking comment 😊👌
Husky, KTM, Gasgas, all not looking strong right now, and MV Augusta was never strong to begin with. Is it really good to be in bed with them? CF Moto could be good if they can prove to be reliable, and Triumph looks like a good bet right now, but the Pierer Mobility Group is not all roses as your video might suggest...
If you watched the previous videos you would know my opinions on PMG. But rather being in bed with them I actually see it as a slow steady takeover of a company with a lot that will help bajaj long term. In western markets. Working with cf Moto to do that. They just don’t have big bike experience or engineering on their own. Mv and ktm engineering gives them templates and more
Most interesting, hopefully the research wasn't too tiresome. Many Indian and Chinese manufacturers seem to purposfully make looking them up confusing and time-consuming. In post-communist Europe there are many brands which were either recently set up or reactivated after many years, but apart the laconic 'Made in China/India' nothing specific can be easily found. In fact, there are brands which openly say they are just selling bikes made in China AND India, and are sold through "not-dealerships". For example- in my town those bikes are being sold in the Husqvarna dealership- and that is the chainsaw and lawnmower Husqvarna, not the bike one.
Research wasn’t tiresome at all 😊 some bits harder to dig out than others. But it was interesting. I started it knowing the figures would melt someone’s brain but when I started getting to the real numbers even I was shocked to be honest
Well, in the 50 and 125cc segments the Japanese already lost- mainly due to their government banning the sales of 50cc's and forcing the 125cc to confine to the limitations previously set on the 50cc, i.e. limiting the top speed to 30km/h.
KTM has actually a camshaft gate, it could wear out in the first thousand km. no garantie and the costs could reach a few thousands euro. Bajaj could mess up the KTM image easily and grow their own bikes without the weak camshafts.
I think it's a shame that they're not selling in the west at a good price. We need young riders who see motorcycles as a sensible transport option rather than daredevil recreation. The Triumph 400 sells for 10,000 Australian dollars in Australia, while it sells for the equivalent of 4200 in India. For 10,000 for dollars a young person can buy a good second hand car and carry passengers. The choice is easy for most and motorcycling is the loser again. It's a strange strategy from all the makers. Often people will stick with the same brand they learnt on. Honda exploited this in the 60s and 70s, with affordable entry level bikes that welcomed new riders into the brand, making a lifelong customer. People like me see the bike as the necessity, and the car as the luxury. Now in the west, it's the other way around, and when times are tough, it's the motorcycle that's passed over.
Imports are usually more expensive than their locally made counterparts. And for the car vs bike part, that choice is for the consumer to make. For reference, for the price that we'd pay for a top of the line Triumph 400 in India, one can buy a second hand Suzuki Swift instead - and carry passengers. So the equation remains balanced in that sense.
@@ayooshq I agree the first bit should be true but that’s where the complicated manufacturing chains cause havoc. Re the car v bike. Yes sort of. But apples and oranges 😊
the 400 speed are in germany ~5.600€ and the scrambler ~6.300€. the t120 ~13.500€, the t100 ~11.500€. a triumph press person explained the bajaj partnership, the price for the 400 would not be possible without bajaj and the target market is india with a population of 1.4 billions, they sell there more in a few days as in europe in a year.
There's a trading body that represents the largest economic, population nos and development potential, and its name is BRICS. The New "New World" is creating its own "Order", and it has rejected the cultish(Kaballistic) parasititez of the Old "New", and the old "Old" worlds.... Go India! ❤😊
'Kaballistic'?!? Do you reckon that a more sophisticated way of saying 'Jew', craigywaigy? Now if you'd care to change the spelling to 'Caballistic', we can take you off the little black moustache man fanbois and pedo club members list. 🤔
this is no PR but reality. i assume that there are agreements not to sale bajaj bikes in europe to prevent direct competition but in a short time the triumph technology/style will be available as bajaj models. afair Vespa and Kawasaki have no longer a partnership with bajaj and learned the lesson.
@@shremich4583 cheers for the support mate😊 and yep. Bajaj don’t have the goodwill Hero would. Even when Honda broke their agreement Hero stuck to it and still sadly show no signs of selling in Europe and the US.
