@Dev I blame it on the people. Starship management is shit but people also know the difference between good and bad, and as far as I see, a lot of people's intentions towards IVE are evil
@@Dev-cw7cn Naurr you blaming Starship when people are being nasty with IVE since day 1, koreans with Liz and international fans with Wonyoung, both girls receive non-stop bodyshaming since they are minors, you think that Starship one day occurred to hide Liz because do they hate her? It's because she has received a lot of hate since she gained weight and they don't know what to do anymore, they are trash but atleast they arent forcing her to lose weight in a short time cofcofSM. The main problem has always been people, I'm thankful that at least wonyoung can't read the nasty comments kpopers leave on this side about her body.
@@hehe-fl6vm no one is defending the company ??? Where did you get that and which "Dive" did you encounter bc this is definitely mismanagement of Starship.. they really need to up their game bc all this favoritism and popularity stuff is getting out of hand.. as a Dive it is saddening to see but I really hope the company will fix this issue bc let's be real IVE is their money-maker rn so they should be more protective of the girls
@@raspberryland_ how about worry about IF IVE WILL BE #1 this year before ranting about 'favoritism' ??? NewJeans, LSF, and soon Baemon are really really strong !
@@etherealrune757 public is gonna be like that always.. you are bound to get that once you become a person who'll be presented to them... But starship surely should push for breaking the norms.. if twice are doing that why can't they as well.. and especially with kpop being so global I find it hard to believe that liz won't get the appreciation she deserves.
it’s so unfortunate that as soon as any idol gains any amount of weight it becomes a scandal, considering how most idols do not live healthy lifestyles due to their job (lack of proper nutrients, starvation diets, lack of sleep, over working, over exercising) like if they really cared about Liz’s health they wouldn’t bat an eye at her weight.
People are used to see idols as "perfect dolls" which is ridiculous and people should support her because no one's perfect and still Liz looks pretty like that. I love her so much
You know this continues process of weight losing and gaining or following an unhealthy diet causes a lot of difficult and serious problems in menstrual cycle and in the future it can cause you to not be a mother. 😞
what people may not understand is that these people are actually collegues and they are not forced to be friends, but since they spend so much time together they befriend each other most of the times but they are still not obliged to do so
"The members are more like colleagues than friends" uhhhh this is their job?? They are colleagues! Yes some members end up growing closer and become friends but first and foremost they are colleagues doing their job. Not every idol group is going to become close friends kpop fans need to understand that
I remember SHINee even mentioning before a few times that during their time up until the Sherlock (or Dream Girl?) Era, they weren’t really even that close. As a Shawol, I was a bit surprised, considering all the amazing performances and variety shows they have made since their debut. but looking at it now, it totally makes sense and I applaud them for keeping it professional since the very beginning even though they were so young, I mean Taemin was an actual teen back then. back to IVE, I don’t mind them not being that close right now, because they just debuted like a bit over a year ago. they have so many more years to come and their management has to definitely do their best to give the girls some time to bond and value that just as much as making profit off of them, because the group dynamic, the better it is, the more beneficial it will be for the company as well in the long run. and I mean if you look at LE SSERAFIM for example, they have gotten so close in such a short amount of time because their label actually cares about their artists being close and having a friendship. of course, IVE girls need to warm up and be more open to get to a point where they grow fonder and closer to each other as well, but it takes time for some and also the label has to make everyone feel a bit more comfortable and work on their overall dynamic as well. we need to respect and accept that not everybody is the same and some artists might want to keep it on a professional and work-environment level - and that’s OK.
But the thing is ive members have become alot closer compared to when the group was formed. They don't lack chemistry at all, just watch any ive videos. They maybe quiet and shy in interviews but that doesn't mean they aren't close?It's about time ppl stop saying stuff like this to ive members
I must say, her blond hair was way more iconic, and her makeup style must have been changed. So of course she seems different. I think there is even more mistreating her from stylists than a weight gain problem.
I don’t understand how the label is lowkey sabotaging their own group with the way they treat Liz. I thought because they had SISTAR for so many years, IVE would be another group with great dynamics and discography. but it’s so different because shortly after ,,Eleven’‘, it’s either people talk about Wonyoung or Liz but in mainly negative ways. and k-pop fans, korean and international ones, definitely have a HUGE factor and influence in all of this. a label sees who people favor and hate on, they are not delusional. they act accordingly, even if it’s not fair for the artists OR the fans who actually truly care. I was so hyped and excited for IVE and they release great music, I just hope things will turn out well for them.
its not hard to see how badly Starship is treating Liz and they dont even try to hide it anymore and some people are trying their hardest to deny her mistreatment and acting dense af!
Hilarious whoever made the list for Liz to lose weight was just rewording their fatphobia in different ways like it’d make it any more compelling. Kpop has seriously skewed people’s perception of average bodies. If Liz is their idea of fat, then I’m concerned how most girls view themselves. But even if she was fat, that isn’t a bad or “unattractive” thing. People’s ability to only respect girls based on their bodies and the only bodies they see as respectable are thins ones need to re-examine themselves.
are you a KID ? its part of her JOB as an 'IDOL' to STAY FIT ! they are a TEAM ! if other 5 members work really really REALLY HARD to STAY FIT, and Liz is just RELAXING, ITS UNFAIR FOR THE OTHER MEMBERS and VERY UNPROFESSIONAL .... you are ALL SELF CENTERED IMMATURE KIDS
@@Dino-pk5hc HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT LIZ IS NOT DOING HER BEST TO LOSE WEIGHT?! YES, HER JOB IS AN IDOL, BUT SHE'S STILL A HUMAN! YOU ALWAYS CALL PEOPE "KID" SO LISTEN YOU OLD PERSON, JUST BECAUSE IT IS YOUR JOB DOESN'T MEAN YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO DO IT PERFECTLY. WE ARE ALLOWED TO MAKE MISTAKES AND SO IS LIZ. LIZ IS DOING HER BEST TO LOSE WEIGHT EVEN IF IT'S JUST A LITTLE BUT SHE PUTS HER BEST THE MOST IN HER PERFORMANCES BUT YOU CAN'T SEE THAT 'CUZ YOU DON'T LIKE HER. YOU ALWAYS HAVE SOMETHING BAD TO SAY TO HER. JUST SHUT YOUR MOUTH IF YOU HAVE NOTHING GOOD TO SAY, SHE ALREADY HAVE ENOUGH HATE.
@@Dino-pk5hc and who’s to say she isnt trying? we dont know what happens in private, only whats on camera. its also just easier for some people to gain weight due to genetics, cant really control that.
I swear it's the people who are not feeling enough with their body. Liz is so damn pretty and not to mention I knew about Ive in Love dive era where Liz was starting to gain weight and she was the one who caught my eye the most she's adorable and the talent she has, indeed incredible.
My university roommate dared to talk shit about how liz is no longer pretty and she keeps getting fatter and fatter, and since she's an idol so she should have some control. Bitch please! Look in the mirror! It's always the people who would look like a tree tunk next to idols talking the most shit about their weight
I genuinely wish K-Pop would go back to 2nd gen when it was more about being talented and not just being pretty. Liz doesn’t need to change anything about herself. She is just being torn down for no reason, despite being so talented. Liz, don’t change for others. You don’t need to.
What I dont understand is how people can say IVE have no chemistry. It just shocks me because Wonyoung and Yujin were both in Iz*one together and they are super close. Same with Liz and Wonyoung, we have seen them interact with eachother many times and it seems genuine. It is clear that IVE members are close friends and ppl just like to stir up drama for attention.
Guys it was to balance out the entire group with lines, if you compare all line distributions from eleven to kitsch they are nearly equal that’s why liz has less. But In her new comeback she has the most lines now
I mean It's not wonys fault that she's known Yujin since she was 14 so like her having more confidence with her should not be a problem?? I mean she is getting to know the other members more and more but still she feels more connected to Yujin like it's pretty obvious.
How you know that she connected to Yujin??? Pls do you even watch ive content ? Now she is more with Liz. And what IS the problem she IS with Yujin ? Bc seeing that BC yujin IS pretty is suck. They know each other than kids so who? And u talk like this u Say that ive other memeber are ugly???
it always interests me the difference between the ive and le sserafim pipeline. both have 2 former iz*one members, yet both get treated differently , not just by their companies, but by fans / the public .
To be fair, some of the hate is also exacerbated by videos like this where it highlights unconfirmed rumors and gossip under the guise of being an "informative video"
it was made to attract drama seekers to gain views. most of these comments are fake concerns by toxic individuals trying to draw disruptions for the group
This is why put on 2 people that have already a big fans is bad for the group. We all know woyooung and yujin are gonna take a big chunk of the lines due to their popularity. And with rei is on the rap part. That left so less line for other 3. This is a fact.
No. Isnt If wy and yj was not here thèse group will be flop and nobody will talk abt Liz vocal bc.... Yeah u know (is sad) And remember that Liz have the more Line in ive song and gaeul have the more Line in b-side and rei have more Line tooo.
@@Liz-jc3fz lol, u say it urself without them ive gonna be flop. This prove my point that is bad for 2 member that is already popular to put in a new group. Starship know that wy an yujin is popular cause izone era. T Which is why they get more lines even though liz is their main vocal. Remember that wy and yj strenght is not in vocal.
Better to be in a successful group with 2 famous idols than to risk disbandment from the get go. At least with a successful group, the unknown idols have the chance to build up their fandom before their contract ends.
@@JO-qn8gy True, but then again this is what happen atm, you got a whole promising main vocalist just getting 6 sec line in one songs. This things always happen in Kpop. People can deny it, like it or not. WY and YJ will always be a golden egg for starship. Ive fans just have to face it.
I hate that some people just use liz or gaeul to hate wony and yujin. If you want to support liz and gaeul, stop hating on wony and yujin because that's not going to help. Liz and gaeul might get hate a lot more because of what you guys doing.
But... IVE ARE coworkers. I feel like fans believe groups are best friends with each other but many groups disband and suddenly the relationship is over and no one talks to each other afterwards. IVE could make more effort to appear like friends but at the end of the day they are coworkers and have a job to do.
Then every kpop idol are coworkers. If you actually WATCH IVE’s RU-vid vlogs etc they are way closer than the toxic tiktoks you probably watch of them, with lots of editing and “speculations”. The girls get along great Liz and rei were friends before debut Yujin and wony have been friends since they were 14 Gaeul and wony always go out to lunch together Leeseo is always treated special by the older members cus she’s the youngest. If you actually watch their videos together they get along perfectly fine.
I hesitate to comment on posts like this, as she’s a teenage girl, and I’m older. That said, this poor girl is beautiful, and people need to Stfu about her appearance. Whether she weighs a bit more, less is a component of being just that: She’s a teenager. Do you know what is more unhealthy that a few KG variance? The stress of anonymous As**oles coming constantly micro-dissecting their appearance. I saw this with Jihyo, and Jeongyeon (Twice are my Ults, but I’ve are very high up as well) before, and with Swam (Purple Kiss) and Jiwoo (NMixx) currently, Please just let these folks live their lives and continue to make fantastic music, they deserve to be as happy as they make us with their music.
Kitsch is just a bside let’s relax till we get the full album you all. Liz has the second most lines as of Queen of Hearts so she’s hardly being mistreated. “Under-utilized” is a better term
On IVE's "lack of chemistry", I think it's important to remember that not everyone bonds immediately, and you can't expect TWICE level of closeness after just a short time. People tend to forget that in the beginning TWICE love-story that they are now, and that it's time and experience that gets groups closer. Sure, the members did bond quickly, but that was because of pure chance. Personally I see the IVE members bonding more as time goes on, so I don't understand this "lack of chemistry" argument. People point to LE SSERAFIM as a new group that had an instant connection, but again, that's lightning in a bottle. Sometimes people click faster than others.
but the thing is ive doesn't lack chemistry at all? Like watch any of their content they all are really close so pls can we stop pushing this agenda that ive members aren't close?
Honestly I really wonder what the future holds for this group. While they’re surrounded by these allegation and having problems within the group and with the company, other groups are rising. So it’ll be interesting to see how they’ll work their way out of all of this
@@tj.8924lmao love, I don’t petty them, nor do I Stan them whatsoever I’m just curious to know what the future holds for this group save your delusional respond
How the public is shaming her image isn’t ok. But her line distribution to me is fair for now. The other members like Rei Gaeul and leeso need the extra screen time and vocal time right now. They are in a group with two popular members and a powerhouse vocal. Give the other members a chance too.
I got extremely pissed when the “IVEs not having a great bond” like come on! From all of their contents I’ve seen on IVE ON they have such cute and wholesome moments. To rei and leeseo hanging out during their summer movie film, to wonyoung and gaeul shopping together and stay together everywhere they go, Liz and leeseo special little friendship. Seeing all those infuriating rumors of them not being close or whatever just made me SO mad! IF YOU DONT WATCH THEIR CONTENT SHUT. THE. FUCK. UP!
@@JO-qn8gy I don’t understand when people say crackhead energy means groups have like the most chemistry or whatever. Like NO that’s not case whatsoever. 😂 groups can have other kinds of bonds.
I just wanna say that LIZ is well treated, if u seen all IVE songs, she did have the least line, it's the first time that she had a least distribution. For the KOOKIELIT, I'm disappointed, that all the videos about IVE is in a negative light, I hope you can put more positivity. It's hard to watch your videos.
remember guys, we should be "bashing" (idk if im using the right word) the COMPANY and NOT the other members cuz they clearly have no control over the line distribution and such
Nah people just using this to hate Wonyoung. It's clear starship isn't forcing Liz to diet since rei gained weight too. Liz got all the lines in not your girl and has been so excited for this album promos. Liz also said she was unfazed by the hate comments so she's probs not trying to lose weight either. Haters are reaching.
Ive can't take a break. Maybe there'll be another rumors after next comeback. I'm really angry on people when they say they aren't close like other groups. I mean not all people are like close to each other , crackhead and fake acting just becoz people will love it. All idols aren't same, stop mocking them because of it, that's pathetic.
Liz is the prettiest performer ive ever seen actually. And liz is perfectly fine its just that she has gained a bit more chubby on her cheeks which makes her look so cute. I also like to see the members start to bond to eachother on their own and we will be able to experience what or how idols get closer and closer.
It bugs me how videos like these always say idols are “healthier” when they are just thin and pretty, and they are actually more likely to be healthier when they weigh more considering their lifestyles. Like, just say what you really mean. That you think they look prettier when they’re thinner. Everyone’s always like “she came back with her regular healthy glow” you mean she just looked skinny and pretty like usual again? Doesn’t really have anything to do with health when K-pop idols don’t have healthy lifestyles.. again they’re more likely to be healthy if they gain weight
This is the issue with kpop imagine the best singer of a group getting 6 seconds of line just cos she not anorexic, never been a fan of that group I just wish her the best she has a beautiful voice
I'm sure you meant nothing by it, but conflating losing weight to "looking healthier" when the person was already a totally healthy weight is exactly the kind of stuff that lets that kind of bullying perpetuate
@@CS-zb7hx how do you know if someone is a healthy weight by just looking at them? i have a friend who looks underweight but they’re not. and no it’s not obvious in kpop. if you’re chubby (to international fans), you’re considered healthy. i haven’t seen a comment in a while talking about skinny idol as if they’re healthy. it’s automatically “they’re unhealthy”, “they’re suffering”, even if they’ve just lost the smallest amount of weight to where it’s barely noticeable.
@@buddies6389 It seems like you're coming at this with a lot of bias, honestly. In general I think we should avoid commenting on people's weight, period. But it's disingenuous to act as if there's not certain levels of thinness or thickness that are unhealthy for ALL people. Again, we should just talk about people's weight less- idol or not. And yes, many of the times where someone is called "unhealthy" on either end, people are being insanely dramatic. But there ARE times where it's clearly not healthy.
@@CS-zb7hx the thing is people use “clearly not healthy” for so many people who are simply just skinny in kpop. you’re right, people shouldn’t be commenting on the body of anyone. people need to treat being over weight with the same energy though. a skinny idol can simply just exist and people will say “omg i hope she gets better soon” when they look fine is where my issue is. they could be visibly over weight but then they’re called healthy.
if starship gave Liz and ultimatum for losing weight or no lines is starting to become realistic. PLEASE everyone, like all od Liz' pics, comment on her posts, show that we adore her even if she isnt your bias. she is a minor and deserves support especially since she is away from her family. i worry that even Rei will distance herself so she doesnt get negative attention. we must di our part to fight the hate she endures
Well we don't know most of the things that happen after the cameras are turned off, or what any idol really thinks, all we can do is support them even when we don't know. Don't just believe baseless rumors.
People hate IVE so much for stupid empty reasons. Like most of it are rumors and made up stuff. Anyone see the show “Tomorrow”? Remember the episode where people made up rumors just cuz they hated the idols and the idols tried to take her life? Well haters are doing this to IVE and it’s sad. It sucks so much. And it doesn’t help starship isn’t pulling their weight and sucks. They are failing them and their health and safety. I will still listen to IVE and support them. But it’s just shitty how people pick this group apart cuz they have no real life or job.
Omg!!!! STOP fan shame the girl. Too young. I wish the Korean gov takes it more seriously on the cyberbully. It is getting so toxic. I wish one day those fat shame or make fun of another appearance automatically have mirror appear in front of them telling a negative about their own self. Look at yourself b4 pointing finger anywhere else.
Remember guys Kitsch was just a prerelease, although 7 seconds is still a minuscule amount for being the main vocalist. I expect her getting more lines in the album.
I want to see those solo stans who argued saying “main vocalists are there to belt high notes” lol, you guys are not gonna die if the main vocalist gets more lines.
1. They are all children - commenting on their weight should be illegal 2. Dark hair actually makes her naturally rounder face stand out more - it probably the same as when she had blond hair but it was less noticeable then 3. Kitsch is a bop, it’s just a shame the line distribution is a mess - it’s no surprise it climbed quickly 4. Whoever started this should be ashamed of themselves
Starshit really dont Care how treat ive they use their money for their bulding and other artist and give them nothing AT promotion or protect them like another group.
Wow 😮…WHY does it seem that KNETZ are so unbelievably MEAN and CRUEL. These JACK ASSES seem to intentionally want them to hurt themselves. They never learn. This HATE will return back to the sender 100x. I don’t know anything about these girls but it’s absolutely disgusting 🤮 to hear how these young artists are being targeted. 😢 🤷🏻♀️
Honestly we don't know what's happening behind curtains, right? Why critize if you don't know anything? Disclosure : LIZ IS MY BIAS IN IVE AND ONE OF THE 4 ULT BIASES 1. Liz is still young, her body is changing. Those who wrote these nasty things, are just bored. Yes, she looks totaly different from her pre-debut photos i agree but there she looked too edited. Look, i'm not saying that Starship is bad or good but if Starship had problem with Liz's weight, they'd do something drastic about it, right? She gained weight, yes. She looks healthy? Who am i to say? Is Wonyoung healthy ? People overthink what 'healthy' means. Just because you are skinny doesn't mean you can't be healthy, and other way around. It's so hard to watch everyday what is happening with IVE. A group getting the hate because of one of the members is Skinny and the otherone is 'fat' .... 2. Liz's line distribution. I don't know how are the line's distributed, but if they gave her 6 seconds, that's it. Do you know how many factors are there? Yeah, i don't like that i heard one of the prettiest voices in 4th gen sang only 6 seconds, but there had to be for reason. Reason we don't know. Can we 'fans' change it ? Maybe... but it is only Starship's fault? No ... why noone ever criticize the composers/producers? .... they're making the music, and most of the time they are distributing the parts. 3. 'They are only colleagues' - ugh....do you really expect 6 girls to get along from the start? That's why i don't like if a group has ton of members and fans expect them to be BFF's. There are few RARE occasions, but i could count it on one of my hands. Just because that other group's chemistry is way better, doesn't mean every group has to follow it. Look, this is only one mans opinion. If you don't agree with me, fine. I'll listen or rather read what you'll say but don't be a d*ck. Peace
Fans don't understand that when netizens especially knetzs see an idol gaining weight, wether you defend that idol or not it's useless. Knetzs are the ones that direct the way a kpop company work. It's sad but your complaints and defenses are useless
Wonyoung and yujin knew each other already before Ive so it’s not an real example to show that they are more than colleges. I do agree that the girls need more time to grow together and find that bond
Is like le sserafim ? Sakuraeand Chaewon know more each other before but now they are friends thé same to ive but for kstans they dont wanna see their contenteand they stuck in their that yujin and wonyoung are the villain
Starship And Fans Both Needs To learn Starship should learn to give everyone equal time to show their potential Fans need to learn to not to Blame Wonyoung for everything about IVE Just backlash company not Idol Starship Also needs To Show Potential if Members more than their Visuals like Wonyoung , Gaeul etc Kitsch was a awesome bop Liz isn't main Vocalist officially She usually Gets Most Lines She only got Least in After Like And Kitsch She does deserve better but She has most one if the Lines in Their leaked song Blue Blood and Not your Girl Ive definitely isn't like Co-workers
Liz isn't even fat, it's normal to gain weight for females after puberty. Women in general hold more fat than man. The Korean fans have to calm down. It's not like she is obese. Or on a level she could die at any moment.
I love IVE and I love DIVE❤ We DIVE seem to understand our girls very well i think. A lot of ppl think that we’re simps, but honestly we just try not to jump to conclusions quickly. We understand that IVE are very young and are human; they will make silly mistakes and accidents (acknowledging this is one thing, but BASHING and INSULTING is a completely other situation) As stated, the girls are beginning to bond in their own way; why force a genuine relationship. I’m sure they know that they’ll be working together for quite some time, and they’ve even mentioned how they WANT to become more like a family, but their career with one another has only just begun. Wony and Yujin have been through a lot together; from training with one another for a year, placing in a survival show together and being in one of the most popular 4th Gen groups, as well as debuting with one another once more (They have the history and time with one another to have that close relationship we love to see; as well as surviving a really big scandal with one another while in IZ*ONE) The girls have only been together for a short while. Let’s enjoy what we have and watch it grow.
But she’s lost weight so what again??!! She’s already skinny. I’m sure she’s below 50 kg so what’s with this unnecessary fat shaming? Do they know what fat is?
A few days I discovered how kpop is amazing my 2nd favorite song was IVE I'AM and I'm obsessed with MV especially LIZ I find her so attractive and charming she is my favorite ❤
I mean realistically not every idol group are going to become besties. They literally are “colleagues” so even if they aren’t super close, I don’t see it as much of a shock. Just my opinion tho
i never understand people being mad at kpop groups chemistry. there are plenty of idols who debuted with people they never spoke to or sometimes even paired with people they hated (like monsta x and stray kids, but now those 2 groups are as thick as thieves.) like these are random personalities and you can't expect them to always mesh. even with exo it wasn't until they were many many years into their career that the members became friends. at the end of the day being an idol is a job and your group mates may only ever be coworkers lol. i also imagine with a group like IVE the members would take longer to become close since the members may be intimidated by being with already incredibly famous idols.
the reason why i will probably never stan ive is because kakao spread so many rumors to downgrade literally every other 4th gen girl group. If kakao didn't do that, Garam would still be in le sserafim and soojin would be in gidle.
💀the way soojin left before IVE even debuted😭 IVE literally has nothing to with whateva y’all claim Kakao did, y’all be saying so much shit without knowing it just believeing anything u see on tiktok, RU-vid shorts and twitter…
Liz reminds me of TWICE’s Jeongyeon. Because she when through the same experience. Jeongyeon took a hiatus twice because of symptoms of anxiety, and she gain lots of weight because of that. She’s one of the Lead Vocalists of the group, yet ever since TWICE debuted, she only gets a few amount of lines by singing the last chorus after the bridge or what JYP gives her. While Jihyo is in first place since she’s the Main Vocalist of the group, Nayeon should be in second place and Jeongyeon should be a third place as a so call “Lead Vocalist”, yet I can CLEARLY see that she’s not. 🤨 Especially in the songs, Signal, Heartshaker, and Touchdown, I can see that Jeongyeon barely sang in those songs. And let’s not ever talk about their lastest hit, Set Me Free. She only had 5.8 seconds? Idk, in the song while the other members got the same amount of lines, and Nahyo got the rest by singing ad-libs(God, how I wish JYP should stop pushing Nayeon and Jihyo(Well, mostly Nayeon) so much😒) That’s why I think Jeongyeon should leave TWICE, because of her anxiety, weight gain, and for being mistreated over the past 8 years. I just wish Jeongyeon gets to sing more. She has a beautiful voice.
Liz literally has the second most lines of all the IVE members. The only one with more lines is Yujin. She definitely could have had more lines in Kitsch, but y’all are so dramatic. The Twice situation in way worse. That being said, Starship definitely should do more to protect her from the unwarranted hate she’s receiving because of her appearance. She’s so pretty and the people complaining about her weight are stupid as hell.
KOOKIELIT doing antis work and making not flattering video about IVE as they're gearing up for comeback in few days. It's interesting to see that most bad press about IVE comes from international fans, the same fans that protect every other gtoup, especially other 4th gen GGs.
Exactly. It's undignified ytbrs like KOOKIELIT who flame the fires under the false pretense of cooling it down. I've noticed that a lot of shallow ytbrs are willing to use IVE as a way to gain views and what better way than to throw a group of young idols under a bus to gain more clout? It's even sadder seeing unsuspecting people get lead on by the nose by these kinds of ytbrs. Dirty work, misusing their handles for views.
I am a Wiz*One and Dive, I can feel that they are very careful not to step on someone’s toes. maybe it’s just really because they just debuted or their personality, I am not sure. Le Sserafim are also introverts but their chemistry is different and very enjoyable to watch. IVE is also enjoyable but you can feel that they are very calculated on what they do. But anyway, I support all former Iz*One members, their new group and careers. 😭
She is literally a normal weight. Kpop idols are truly underweight or are literally one pound shy of being underweight The industry has warped society's perception of what is acceptable, normal and healthy. I am getting flashbacks of 14 year old Hyein being fed two leaves of lettuce and 5 cherry tomatoes for lunch. Liz does have a chubby face which makes her look so cute, youthful and cherub like. Please don't pressure her into getting a stupid buccal fat removal procedure. It was just two unflattering photos. None of this means that she is "unhealthy."
Listening to the whole album, they gave Liz more lines. I guess they're somehow listening to the fans or not? Liz looks healthy, beautiful and confident. And they killed it with the song I am, where Liz got the most lines, like she should. They all stood out there. Hopefully, their label will treat them better in the future. But for example giving Rei her break, leads to better treatment, right? I hope these girls will be as happy and successful in the future ❤️
Atp u want the hate trains from IVE are continues , like u even don't know how their recent chemistry 💀 Just stop, they already being the most hated group so don't make it worse, reddit ppl can't be trust as always
Its giving me the vibe of wanting to get famous but not doing it in the right way....not the artist but the company. They want their Artist to be famous but not doing it in the right way. Before it's too late I hope the company can act better. I'm not a dive but I've already seen enough hate people throwing towards them . The problem is not the artist but the COMPANY is...
4:03 weeell, it's fine if they are only colleagues, as long as they respect each other, fans shouldn't expect idols to be bffs with their members, kpop idols get together because their agency chose them for a group, it's not like bands that get together to make music and know each other from school or so, sometimes it's better to go to work and do it for the business rather than trying to be friends with everyone, usually, respect and work ethic is stronger than friendships.
Its kind of weird. I've watched some of the behind the schene or vlog in Ive chanel and some of the member the executive of starship or yeah the people who decided on ive everything is had an eye for liz since they debuted, the english translated said that liz had much favor. It said by some of the member in the video, so it was just quite confusing and in an interviewer with liz she said she gained weight because she is happy. Whenever she is happy she would ate, thats what i heard. And didnt you think because liz had gained weight it means the company didnt push her too much for diet right? Just too much rumor right know
I feel bad for all the members. Always being pinned against each other. Dives have a huge solo stan issue instead of being ot6 and supporting all the girls equally. Starship management skills being awful. Wony being overworked last year. Liz being treated the way she has been. Gaeul usually getting no lines (this comeback she’s gotten way more which is great) Rei recently going hiatus due to health issues…the list goes on. I just think IVE could really be so much better if the company and dives were better. A huge issue are the dives tho I will say that. Bring down one members to uplift another when the girls clearly care about each other and would never wanna be compared to the others. I just think things need to be worked on.
