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Associated yes. The Golden Color is the direct Representation of the Elden Ring Outer God Creature Parasite Thing. Which seems to have a connection and influence in the other Souls Games. The Devs have themselves an even bigger and mysterious backstory with that thing that they've building up on. It'll be interesting what that will be.
1 of 3 Possibilities as to who that actually is. 1. Is that's the actual Miquella, and is trapped there and picked the Player to free them. 2. Is it could be Marika's First actual Husband, Brother, or Father. 3. It could be 1 of the Members of that Family that had owned that Castle Maris where you fight Elmer the Bell Bearing Hunter (guy that has that Thorn wrapped Armor and possesses the Maris Executioner Sword). Will be interesting to find out, though I'm sure it'll raise even more questions.
That may not be just any ordinary Deathbed Companion there. That may be the Gloam Eyed Queen herself. The Gloam Eyed Queen could be 1st and Original Deathbed Companion. Kinda of makes sense.
Malekith is not Marika's half-brother, this is a translation error, in the original Japanese he is, if I'm not mistaken, called the sworn sword or adopted brother
@@theemeraldgecko310 I've seen some people use half brother as a synonym for adopted brother so I think that could have been the idea used in the translation
@@theemeraldgecko310 you don't need to, this was literally put in the English translation so no one is under the obligation to have to look for the correct translation of what was written in the original Japanese, that was a problem with the translation they did, not with your research or something like that
I could have sworn I heard or read somewhere in the game that the "Golden order's" people brought Godwyn to the base of the Erdtree to have him reborn through the roots of the Erdtree but without his soul his body couldn't be absorbed by the tree but his death root did or something like that, technically I believe where he is buried is at the base of the Erdtree (cause they said they moved his body), well what's left of it, cause I've believed for awhile that big bright tree is fake, and the DLC should prove that fact (I can literally see through the tree) but just now realizing that the Numen runes in the ants could actually be what left of the Numen race which is shockingly sad and really really messed up but now I have way more questions about the deep root depths
I had completely forgotten but I think you’re right, I might be mistaken but was it in D’s quest line? That’s a really interesting theory, I love it! Screams Gwyndolin all over! I would not be surprised if the big twist of a part of the dlc, is that marika slaughtered her kin! I guess we’ll just have to wait till the dlc for definite answers!
@@apolloisnotashirt I couldn't tell you really, but at the same time who's Godricks parents, it's never told to us, but (can't remember who) someone on RU-vid had a theory that Godwyn and Lansseax are his parents cause Lansseax took human form sometimes, so the Numen being related to the Starborn beasts could be a theory, never really know
@@nemesisundead83 So would that mean dragon blood somehow dilutes demigod blood then? Hm... kinda makes sense? Humans did exist back in the crucible and dragon era... so bestial/draconic blood plus demigod blood equals weaker demigod? maybe? my brain hurty 🫠
@@apolloisnotashirtno the numens sailed here on ships. Those ships are wrecked in the blue flower petal area in the dlc trailer. We know the numen came here on ships from the siofra river obelisks we light for the ancestor spirit boss fights. Take a close look at them next time you’re down there. And we know they’re depicting the coming of the numen because the nox are descendants of the numen. Miyazaki told us that the land of shadow is where marika first set foot which confirms this theory.
I don't think the Greater Will did anything to Marika's daddy. I think Marika was just an ambitious empyrean in her father's age and she did him in. But I think he was the second Lord to the Gloam Eyed Queen after Placidusax, rather than a god himself. Good video!
That's a great point, thats kinda what I was thinking but you put it far better than I did! I actually really like the theory of the gloam eyed queen being pre golden order! The question we need to ask from this now though, if he was not the god, who was? Thank you so much!!
Its funny because I never once gave thought Marika's parents, let alone her father. I've never considered Marika to be an Empyrean; I always imagined her to be a normal human who was somehow chosen by the Greater Will and transformed into its vessel to fight and rule in its name. I've considered that gods can come about in two ways. They can be humans or other beings chosen by Outer Gods and slowly converted into their immortal vessels or they can be born as Empyreans, already claimed by a god before birth.
@@theemeraldgecko310 The Gloam Eyed Queen was, IMO. She left Placidusax for the Numen Lord, then she was murdered and made into a weapon, and whomever murdered her would likely have been the cause of the state he's in now. At least, that's what makes most sense to me. Could obviously be way off!
@@brandonwilliams4050 It seems to me that Marika the "Eternal" had good reason to strike the previous gods from the history books and obscure her own rise to godhood. I personally feel she was the child of a god and thus an empyrean, probably chosen by a set of two fingers, and she just turned out to be victorious.
@@briannenurse4640 an even crazier theory, this old man is Placidusax, Farum azula does not follow a linear timeline giving room for all kinds of temporal paradoxes, this old man is actually the human form of placidusax and perhaps not the main body of the dragonlord but in true an extension just as Margit is for morgott, this body was killed placidusax no longer has contact with his goddess and therefore does not know what happened to her and still awaits her return, Malekith killed her so that Marika would become the new vessel of the Elden ring and started the age of the erdtree, this is the reason why several of Marika's descendants are linked to dragons as she herself is half dragon, Godwyn became friends with one and started the dragon cult, Morgott and Mogh have characteristics from the crucible and we always attribute this solely to his descent from Godfrey but what if this comes from both parents through Marika's draconic descent? Godrick also seems to try to link his own lineage to dragons, Rykard became linked to serpents and these creatures are also linked to dragons as well as Messmer who seems to use dragon communion and the serpents he carries may be part of his own body, Miquella and Malenia have wings similar to the seath from dark souls, which could indicate that these two are also technically speaking dragons without scales, the biggest evidence of this for me is that Marika, when we meet her at the end of the game, is literally made of stone, further solidifying this idea of her being half dragon
Tarnished Archaeologist has a great video on the Nameless Eternal City. He posits that originally, it was above ground in the part of North Leyndell that is now a giant sinkhole. It lines up with Lowet Leyndell too, as its architectural style is definitely Noxian, in the same vein as places like Sellia and Ordina. The theory is that the Nameless Eternal City/Leyndell saw a schism in belief between the Numen’s worship of the sacred tree and the moon. While the NEC is definitely more aligned with the Nox’s worship of the Night, Lower Leyndell shows ample evidence of tree worship in its iconography. As a side note, the site of grace that has the Omenkiller lurking outside is also the only Deathbed we can find outside of the Roundtable Hold, showing its deep connection with Erdtree worship.
It's actually the nameless city Astel destroyed, the architecture is the same as Nokron and Nokstella. There is also a grace there called 'nameless eternal city'
@@blizzardgaming7070 Nokstella and Norton have the false night sky. Deep root is the fallen portion of Leyndell, the area where the front gate used to lead to.
@@erikenn Astel is specifically mentioned to have taken an eternal cities sky, which can be found it's boss room, the architecture is a direct match for the other eternal cities.
im not entirely convinced abt the women in the painting being a deathbed companion i think its more likely for it being her mother because shes placing her hand on her stomach which is something pregnant women do so it could be a painting right before marika was born
plot twist! Marika is the daughter of the gloam eyed queen with the old man, I love these random guesses because it will probably be completely thrown out the window when the DLC or it will be something so random that it ended up actually being right, in either scenario we are laughing just the same
My only contention is that the deeproots village there is clearly the half of Leyndell that fell through and not an eternal city i don't think. This explains the mausoleum knights too. As for the ants, dunno, but they're usually below ground regardless.
Mausoleum nights were retainers of Godwin while they were alive, that’s why they all have their heads cut off because they did that to follow their Lord even in death. Everyone in the game has loyal followers and their own army except Godwin- but that’s not true bc the mausoleum knights and many of the spirits we see with them are still all loyal to him.
There's many statues of an unnamed old man holding a small tree (like those in the stormveil throne room) They may be tributes to the old man in the trailer, who became a nameless saint of sorts in the Lands Between
@@theemeraldgecko310 Not sure :/ but I know there's one in Leyndell outside the Crucible knight room and maybe in the Haligtree Prayer room. Oh and there's another type with the old man surrounded by tree branches around him, that one is by the road to Leyndell on Altus Plateau. I think its the same man but not completely sure
i love your idea that the ghost flame is the absence of grace. i wonder if this can go further, like maybe the helphen is literally an erdtree devoid of grace, or something like that? 🤔
7:40 The truth really, Numen and scions of the eternal city are the same. Nameless eternal city is actually lower Leyndell. Its the missing area near the front main gate. After the Numens betrayal against Marika, them killing Godwyn, caused Marika to cast them far below the lands between. That why Godwyn's body is below as well. Siluria, the crucible knight is down there as well to keep a watch over any remaining Numen and dispatch them. The numen's themselves can't be trusted at all. Even their deal with Ranni fell through as they are searching for her as well near the end of her questiline, killing Blaidd and Iji. POSSIBLY the numen are angry with Marika for some reason after her marriage with Godfrey but we wont know for sure til the DLC drops.
@@theemeraldgecko310The Tarnished Archaeologist has a video on it. Likely where OP got the theory from. It's still just a theory but I think it's a pretty good one considering the location and presence of those half formed gargoyles in both Leyndell and Deeproot.
It could be Marika in that painting. We have a very similar portrait of her in the Roundtable Hold. I'm not convinced she was a deathbed companion just because Fia has a similar shawl though.
I think it was Marika’s ambition (either deliberate or a side effect of being parasited to force godhood) that was her undoing. The Numen probably saw her as a traitor. Marika the Eternal became a god and oops… the Numen Eternal City god Lord of Night, the Dark Moon who guides the stars happens to go missing (along with the other gods - you see many references to ‘waiting for the return of lord/god). Numen retaliate with Ranni’s help after she meets the Dark Moon (wherever it was hiding/trapped - Renalla probably betrayed Radagon by taking Ranni to meet the Dark Moon), killing Godwyn, the Scion of the Golden Bough and thus killing the future of the Erdtree. In actual grafting no scion = no new growth. Thus clearing the way for the return of the Lord of Night Dark Moon and The Age of Stars. Basically the ushering in of other ages is replacing what Marika and her invasive golden growth overtook and consumed.
I disagree-- I deduced something different from the lore on the Nameless Eternal City, as it was originally one of the Nox's cities that was pushed underground like the rest, as it has the same architecture as Nokron and Nokstella. Astel's lore says that he "stole the night sky of an eternal city", saying Deeproot Depths used to have that same fake starry sky as the other cities. I do, however, like your ideas about the Numen's runes inside the ant sacs and the possible identity of the man in the portrait. I bet you're right
I did not know this whatsoever! I’m blown away I missed that, thank you for letting me know about that item description 🙏 Thank you so much, I’m glad you liked them!
I don't think that godwyn just slithered down, but I also don't think it existed before godwyn. My biggest reason is death blight, something I believe was born alongside Godwyns death. Death as associated with the magic and the cold element, and Death blight is associated with those who live in death. That's my take at least. As far as Godwin being there, I think it's just a giant and elaborate catacombs for erdtree burial of the most honored of individual. It is directly based under the erdtree after all.
Exactly. His body was either taken there or he was killed there when it was above ground and his followers cut off their own heads to follow him in death. His head is underneath Stormveil Castle. It's how he lives on, in death; sort of microbially without a soul. Deathroot is Godwyn's legacy, which i reckon is why Fia kills D.
I quite like the bone theory. I've seen theories that the Elden Ring was 'born' when a god died, and I think both theories can be easily consolidated such that the Elden Ring itself is made of the bones of gods. The significance of the spine is quite interesting as in humans, spinal fluid contains 'pluripotent' cells, that have the potential to become many different types of cell essentially, like less potent stem cells. It would stand to reason then, that the spinal fluid of the gods would contain 'cells' with a lot of potential for forming complex 'life'. Now I'm wondering if runes are derived from the spinal fluid of the gods. I'm also wondering if the golden sap that the erdtree used to produce is essentially golden spinal fluid from a source like this golden spine we see in the trailer. Incidentally, the shape of this golden spine looks as though if it continued to grow, it would vaguely resemble the elden ring itself. I've definitely just slipped my tin foil hat on now, but the cells that these pluripotent cells in humans become are essentially different types of blood cells, our blood essentially comes from our bone marrow, and we know blood is very significant in elden ring, miquella even uses their own blood to try and grow the Haligtree. Perhaps if Miquella has used spinal fluid, and watered the tree with the raw, pluripotent cells instead of the product of them, they would have succeeded
Holy fucking shit, I know you said tin foil hat, but I think you’re onto something here, this is amazing! Amazing work dude seriously this theory absolutely rocks!!!!
the old guy in the dlc is interesting, but its obviously a sword similar to the Relic sword and the sword of Milos and expect it to be wielded by the deathbed companion shown. i agree that deathbed companions are numen, esp considering we find the Deathbed set in the Numen settlement in Leyndell and we find that Fia detests the Golden Order who betrayed the Numen. i think its a little schizo, the ghostflame connection, since we know that the ghostflame sorceries were essentially lost to time until rediscovered by heretical sorcerers. deathblight is a later development to the practice of death sorcery after the death of godwyn which was well after the loss of ghostflame and the Death Rite. I think Fia though is responsible for bringing this syncrenicity between the old Death Rites of the Lands Between and the newer Prince of Death's blight, because she clearly wants to bring back death and all of its importance to Numen culture that Marika tried to do away with. i anticipate finding a lot about Numen culture including the deathbed companions in the dlc.
I could be wrong, but I don’t think it ever explicitly states Deathblight came about after Godwyns death? I agree, fingers crossed we get some Numen answers in the dlc!
@@theemeraldgecko310 Yeah deathblight is stated as caused by the removal of the rune of death and subsequent killing of Godwyn. His body was taken to Deeproot depths, hence the Mausoleum Knights (not Castle Sol soldiers), and his head is at Stormveil castle, disfigured and transformed.
First redawn, challenging the stars. Now this honestly I like it. I don't know enough to argue against it, but it flows well enough that I think it's plausible
I can't remember the whole theory, but if I remember correctly Jack The Mimic has videos about Miquella purposefully plotting Godwyn's death in order to creAte Deathroot and the Prince of Death. I have a few thoughts on this. If Messmer does happen to be a secret triplet of Miquella and Malenia, and the adult figure in the Haligtree statues embracing the little twins IS Godwyn like some people theorize, then I believe Godwyn would have been close enough to Marika and the triplets to be one of the few souls that even knows of Messmer's existence. Perhaps this is why he was assassinated, why Miquella would want to create Deathroot. Godwyn's deathroot can travel underground in the LBT to find traces of this forgotten Demigod, thus uncovering the realm of shadow to lead Miquella there. Throwing in your theory that Godwyn is communicating with the Old Man in the DLC, then we have w more solid connection to how he's able to find the Shadow Realm by following the old man's pain. I'm not sure I believe this, especially if the Shadow Realm is not physically connected to the LBT, but it's fun to consider since I want more Miquella and Godwyn storyline. I do very much think it's possible Old Man is Marika's daddy, but I don't think I have enough to personally subscribe to that yet. He's definitely someone she used to have ties with though. The Shadow Realm definitely seems like a pocket dimension where she hides everything she deems too dangerous, blasphemous, or useless for her own realm. I can't wait to find out!
Absolutely love the idea of Godwyn sacrificing himself to save his younger brother from his mothers clutches, it would add so much to his story! I’m in agreement, I NEED more Godwyn and Miquella stuff! That’s a great theory dude! I could totally see that being the case! I can’t wait either!
The ants are based on a real kind of ant called the honeypot ant. They have special members of the colony that are brought tons and tons of food and store it inside of her abdomen to keep it from spoiling. then when the colony doesn't have much food they go to these ands and the ants with the food share it with her hungry sister. So it wasn't just a single ant overfed. It was an ant using her body to store the food for the others of her kind. Meaning the concentration of all that food was a numen rune. additionally regular ants drop... well, a *lot* of runes per individual. At least for regular enemies at that point in the game. So that might be a connection too. Not sure how this all fits in your theory. It might mean something, might not. Love to hear your thoughts though.
Dude this adds so much to the theory, thank you so much for letting me know about this; absolutely love the idea that the ants are just unintentionally popping Numen runes while having their lunch lmao Thank you so much for you’re kind words 🙏
@@theemeraldgecko310 npnp! Yeah and your theory really got me thinking maybe the runes WERE the ants food. and that bloat was a single numen rune. And the ants got a little bit of runes when the food was shared. Since one honeypot ant can feed dozens of her sisters. The "honey" (it's nectar or other sugars mixed with water. Not literal honey) isn't digested because its in what is called a social stomach. Which is how ants carry a lot of food back to the colony. They feed their sisters and their queen via trophallaxis which you can think of like how a mother bird might feed her babies. But instead of the actual stomach its an internal pouch for storing extra food specifically for feeding other ants since they can't all go out and forage. I think the big question now is why do these ants behave like honeypot ants? Since runes can exist just... on the ground out in the open. Why don't they store runes like that and then eat them? Why does a specialized ant have to hold onto all the food and feed the colony with it? It seems strange that they'd need to store it like that.
Maybe there’s something volatile about this type of runes? If you look at the numen rune, it’s actually a different shade of gold than the other ones in game, the numen come from a different land and a different age so that might be why! Maybe they ran out of food to ear and the numen runes were all they had left to eat, then as time went on their bodies adapted to the point they could only digest that certain type of rune? It’s a really interesting topic, you’re super knowledgeable about this stuff, thank you so much for sharing you’re knowledge it’s super interesting!
@@theemeraldgecko310 I'm glad I could share some knowledge. I'm not an expert I just really like ants so a bit of googling might unearth some stuff that I didn't mention. Or maybe the runes around here all once belonged to the numen. So when the ants bring the food back to the storage ants to hold in their social stomachs they ended up holding so much it becomes a complete numen rune. Essentially all the runes in deeproot were ONCE a part of the numens but have since broken apart and scattered all over the place and been picked up and scattered again. Ants are mostly scavengers after all. And when one of the ants completely fills her social stomach to act as food storage there are enough of the numen's runes in one place to combine into a proper Numen Rune (item). The alternate color of the rune is because it's not a single numen rune. Its probably thousands of different ones all pressed together into one "complete" one made from a messy chimera of runes that belonged to different individual numen. So they are very delicate compared to other runes. (had to edit to add that last part because it didn't go through apparently lol)
@AgentSapphire I’m gonna do just that!!! That’s incredible! I always knew how smart ants were, but this is something else! I think you’re spot on with what you’re saying, great finds dude it’s incredible!
While i think you are on to something with the ghost flame, I personally believe the remains of the city in the underground depths was actually an older part of lyndell that was sunk during Rahdan's seige of the capital
Or was it due to the roots of death, they seem to have infected Stormveil and caused several parts of the castle to collapse, imagine what the infection coming directly from Godwyn's body would cause in the capital? perhaps it was even purposely sent deep into the depths by the inhabitants of Lyendell so that the roots would not infect the rest of the capital
@theemeraldgecko310 I don't think there was any beef, I just think during the seige they collapsed & flooded the main gate to deny him access and either his shrine was in the old part of lyndell and sank with it or he was already down there and the city basically fell on top of his tomb
@@williamsova9313 that’s actually some super good points! I hadn’t ever considered this, but I could genuinely see this being the case! Just curious now what the cum stuff is, tree sap from the old great tree?
Ghost flame existed before the Golden Order. Its was used in burials and wielded by Deathbirds. There are no human characters who wield the ghost flame except Fallen Hawks, and they only use torches and arrows, not incantations. This theory is kinda wild and there are several counter points to it.
so there's a video discussing what the deep root depths settlement could be and it points out given the location that it's likely part of leyndell that was either purposely sent below ground or it collapsed during some event, and given the architecture it was theorized that it was essentially a nox district within leyndell. if we assume that to be the case then I doubt that this was where the numen first made contact with the lands between, however it is entirely possible that the numen lived in this district with the nox since the nox did at some point live above ground. That said I love the theorizing keep up the good work
I need to check this video out, I’ve had it recommended sooooo many times! That honestly does sound more likely than my thoughts! Thanks so much dude it means the world!
@@theemeraldgecko310 yeah I didn't want to promote another channel in your comments but it's elden ring archeology ep 11 by tarnished archeologist, I think it'll help some more fun theories
6:59 What about the dreadful basilisks and that one Runebear behind a waterfall. They looked very alive to me . Not so much after I left, though ;) BTW: The runebear even dropped an item which wasn't a Larval Tear as usual. I believe it was the upgraded "anti deathblite talisman". It's also possible that it was a completely different drop or even that there was no bear at all. Omg .... what a useless comment. Please ignore. I am tired. Have to get some sleep. Great video buddy keep up the good work!!!
This is on me, my goofy ass looking back wasn’t clear, what I meant was there isn’t really any human or human like life around that is alive!!! I’d never ignore a comment dudeeee, thank you for much for the lovely comment means a lot to me!
Another great video! Haven’t seen anyone else trying to connect why all the different beings, buildings and soldiers might be down in Deep Root Depths, trying to make out the story by linking everything together. That’s good work! I’ll dispute that it’s where Marika first set foot, because it’s stated in the DLC poem on Bandai Namco’s website that Marika first set foot in the Land of Shadow. Keep it up my man!
@@theemeraldgecko310 for the Numen overall? Hard to say. I don’t remember if in game lore explicitly states that there are only 3 eternal cities, the ones that we encounter in base game. But they seem to be the ones who built the 3 eternal cities, maybe there’s more to be found in the DLC. But I guess that if there were more they probably also got erased from history. Even if the Land of Shadow isn’t an important place for the Numen as a people, it sure is for Marika. That’s where she made the Erdtree and where she became a God. My guess, as is probably many others, is that a lot of other big events lead up to her managing those feats, which then in turn somehow lead to her sealing away the LoS. The fact that she sealed it away and erased it from Lands Between history hints that it was some probably dark and terrible things.
no one's pointed out that the golden thorn going through the old man is actually penetrating through his skull, neck and then out his chest - the darkened back body implies he's wrenching it from having been embedded into his head - but the actual golden thorns are not physically attached to his body rather it's just impaling him. you can tell because his knees are shown in light - implying that he's bent over - meaning the thorns do not actually reach his chest - rather as close as his sternum but then down by his knees.
He could be the original Ensha. When you kill Ensha in game and get the armor the description says it's made of golden bones and "It is said that the bones belong to an ancient lord - the soulless king. The lord of the lost and desperate, who was known as Ensha." Could be referring to the ensha that attacks you but it could also be this guy since he's missing most of his golden bones.
AND. I have a theory that Godrick grafted godwyns body onto himself. That would be the reason why the castle is infected, and why he had the almost rotten looking great rune. Despite his really distant heritage he is still golden lineage? Yeh cmon he most definitely had to graft a piece of godwyns body onto himself
Dude imagine if in the dlc we find some kind of cut of part of Godrick with Godwyn attached to it and it’s a colossus weapon that deals deathblight… holy shit dude!
wow, that is a fascinating theory, and definitely holds some weight. considering godricks obsession with all things golden, and the corpse in the "basement" of stormveil, this is definitely a possibility.
I still wonder if that's St. Trina with him in the portrait... Perhaps this means Miquella is his own Grandmother, which wouldn't really surprise me at this point. Perhaps St. Trina was the first deathbed companion? 🤷🏼♂️ This was a fascinating watch, well done.^^
So I do think a lot of this is wrong, but it's still really good! Both the idea that these folks are Marika's parents, and the idea that the Deeproot Depths might be the original settlement of the Numen are super interesting. First, as other folks mention - that's not crusty old man's skeleton, it's some kind of branch or tree sapling. Second - Astel took away the sky of an Eternal City when he first came to the Lands Between. It seems likely that this nameless eternal city is the one that was destroyed, as it's also the only place in-game with eternal city architecture and no false night sky. Third - The Eclipse is definitely connected with Godwyn, but I think you have causation backwards. Castle Sol appears on the Sun Realm shield and Sol means "sun." It was probably dedicated to the seat of the sun until Godwyn's death, and is now associated with the eclipse - an event in which Godwyn's soul can be returned. Sol worships the eclipse *because* they worship Godwyn and the eclipse knights, not the other way around. Despite all that I think you're on to something. Numen can be translated a bunch of different ways but one is "divine will" or "divine mystery." It's not insane to think that they 1) came with the golden stars/Elden Beast, and 2) settled at the base of the tree. In addition, the lady in the painting is holding her belly the way pregnant women are often portrayed in old art. The idea that these are Marika's parents, settled at the base of the Erdtree/crucible after arriving along with the Elden Beast, or even that the man portrayed could *be* the Elden Beast, is interesting and worth some thought.
@@walruss106 the symbol on the man's cloak is similar to the one related to the creator of the imps and watchdogs, considering that they are present in the catacombs and some other places related to the golden order this could indicate that this man is their creator and is related to the erdtree, the painting that represents this man appears at the moment in the trailer that mention the erdtree faithful and there is a statue of an old man looking like him in a statue on the road to Leyndell, I think all this is enough evidence to at least say for sure that this old man is related to The erdtree
@@davisiotta489 THANK YOU! I knew I'd seen that brooch somewhere in-game and it was making me absolutely insane. You're 100% right that the symbols on the erdtree burial watchdog staff is similar to the brooch. That makes me suspect he's the craftsman responsible for the golems, and obviously I agree that he's related to the erdtree, but I still don't think we know how.
@@theemeraldgecko310 But wait theres more! in the stories, the most beloved of all the Gods, Balder, is betrayed and killed by Loki. Thus ending up in hell where those who have not died in battle "a true death" goes. Pretty neato
When I watched the trailer live on ziostorms channel I commented that I believed that the old man was the original host of the elden ring/beast and that it was forced or passed to merika being much younger and far more powerful to reign in the new era.
@theemeraldgecko310 zio said that could be a possibility and others seem to agree, but everyone was super hyped about seeing the trailer so I dont think everyone was thinking alot about it at that point, it was litterly just my initial thought when I saw it and still think there's some truth to it.
The Elden Ring existed before it became associated with Marika and the Golden Order, and its previous incarnation included death. I think it's more likeky that Old Crusty was Elden Lord to the Gloam-Eyed Queen who was then defeated by Marika. The Gloam-Eyed Queen was associated with ghostflame and black flame. Marika probably appropriated the Elden Ring, created the Erdtree (possibly from the remains of the Crucible), removed Destined Death and then veiled the Land of Shadow. Marika probably had an affair with Old Crusty and that's when Messmer was born (and possibly Melina).
That old dude could be her first actual consort. I think that the picture shows Marika pregnant with Messmor with the old dude being the papa. Thats just me though.
@@Hankering5656sorry to but in, but I really like this idea, colour of hair seems to have some type of importance, maybe the golden hair is related to grace? And so when she ascended fully taking on the Elden ring, she took on golden hair?
That is how I've interpreted the picture. When I've suggested it, it was pretty much dismissed. I agree, I think that's Marika in the picture and she is pregnant with Mesmer. I'll stand by that theory until it is proven otherwise.
This is all very interesting but my main question I want answered is HOW did Marika lock away these Shadowlands?! We see the veil of course but where did this powerful magic come from? Is there any example of dimensional-switching magic within the base game?
I know many people says that your theories are wrong, and actually they probably are, but in glad there is a comunity that is always evolving and looking for the LORE, so dont feel bad, In encurge you to keep making theories
Interesting theory, but I disagree that the old guy is a former god. He just doesn't give god vibes IMO. I wouldn't dismiss the possibility of him being related to Marika though
Totally getting where you’re coming from!!! As I’ve seen someone else say in these comments, maybe he’s Marikas dad but more importantly the lord of his age, not actually the god? Maybe Marikas mother was the god?
@@theemeraldgecko310 just think about it, at the end of the DLC we have to fight against the first god of the lands between and she uses all the powers of the great runes against us, enchantments of the crucible, enchantments of the erdtree, enchantments of destined death, the ability to revive her minions of Rennala's rune and all other great rune skills
My take is that Marika shattered the previous order and reforged it into her golden order. Miquella wants to find her promised lord (Tarnished) to that will deliver the pieces (Great Runes) needed to restore the natural order, thinking this will cure Malenia along with all the pain in the lands. Miquella was born and can wield Radagon's hammer to reforge the ELDEN RING. Side Point: Malenia was supposed to be the vessel for the outer god of fire but Godwyn destroyed the fire giant couldron, leaving Malenia vulnerable to the outer god of rot.
Perhaps the culture the is "buried" in the shadowland had their own death customs. It would be possible that deathbed companions were a big part of them. As for the old man, he id definitely of import, as all the characters that have in-game portraits, but calling him marika's ancestor is pretty far fetched. Perhaps he was the prevalent figure prior to the arrival of the golden ones. Explaining why he is tortured like this. The connection you make between ghost flame and the eternals is valid, but going from that to the fact that deatblight and death in general will have a presence in the dlc is a stretch.
My own crazy (for fun) theory. Is that Miq wants to bring about the eclipse so he can put his own spirit (the new trailer says he cast away his flesh) into godwyns soulless body. Since this body is tied to the erdtree and spreads thru out the land between, he would have control of it all. He could sprout bewitching branches all over the lands and mass control everyone, thru this he would reach his own level of god hood
Not saying you’re wrong, but what makes you think they aren’t castle sol knights? I know, that’s what I meant in the video, I think there’s a big significance on why that place specifically was chosen :)
Those are godwyn knights. They sacrificed themselves by decapitating there heads in order to live in death. You can only find them around walking mosalieums and deep root depths. Not castle sol
ever since the DLC trailer revealed the following two elements, a Carian Royalty looking like a Rennala Masc lookalike and Messmer feat. Butterflies, The Shadow of the Erdtree is giving me strong mirror dimension vibes; the untold behind the scenes story we've all been craving. my unhinged theories include the possibility that Trailer gramps was Marika's daddy. that's when i am right there with you until i turn left like this: Miquella's eternal youth curse and the passionate obsession around death, dying and decay in the game is unambiguously imp*lied. i think Marika the Numen woman became a child carrying womb-man forced to set off to find a safe "land" to give birth to a life that might've ended up been taken from her under ambiguous circumstances while she lateron got tree'd. there hexists also a myth version of Marika the Goddess that has been used to coerce people into obedience following manipulated folk-lore. whether the baby i mention was Miquella, i don't think. the timeline is f*ked up as is. i do however not think of Messmer, or Mesumeru, to have been one of her direct empyrean kin - the lore seems to imply femm* bodied beings, Messmer not her literal child but in the metaphorical "all are Marika the Eternal's children" sense. for some reason the way he speaks smugly, the pronounciation of "Mother... " etc sounds tremendously sarcasm pilled. is he ... a brother? on a not really related note what i found a VERY intriguing note by gameplus/the alchemist the other day was on the banners behind Marika statues/icons. he showed the one in a Messmer scene where an early version (?) Marika holds a baby child, and i noticed the upper arc of the banner is not visible in that depiction. also it's i think it's a rare version of Marika holding her arms in an angle lower than shoulder levels. curious if you have any thots on this! P.S. #justiceformarika 🚬🌚
I talked about it when the dlc trailer first dropped and I have not seen anything mentioned on it since, but there’s quite literally multiple locations from the lands between in the shadow realm in the trailer! So that would play into you’re theory of it being a mirror realm! Maybe she lost this baby? She obsesses with making sure everything to do with death does not happen to her kin, along with destroying all that is against her ideals! I can’t believe I’m saying this but you’re making me feel bad for Marika… #justiceforMarika Dude what in the bloody hell, that’s super interesting! I’m curious why they would take that out, they took the Miquella twin blades out in the base game, some people think we’ll see them in the dlc, maybe they took them out because they gave too much away? Super interesting stuff!
Interesting. 3 cosiderations: -The ruins in Godwin's area is the part of Lyndell that fell down, it coincides with the deep chasm between the main entrance and the inner walls. A chasm that was not there previously the first defence of Lyndell, or else in the cinematic they would not have defended that side. All of this has been showed by Tarnished Archeologist -Also thanks to TA, we know that Marika changed a previously funerary rite (depicted in statues like in the chapel at the start of the game and under Storm Castle) to a birthing ritual, also converting the tombs function to erdtree burials (the urn with ashes reminding of previously Ghostflame cremations), that supports your theory. -Lastly, why the man should be Marina's father and not a first husband? Maybe is he the betrayed one from whose body Marika plucks gold in the other trailer!
When i saw the dude pulling the weapon out of his own body, I immediately thought of the Elden Beast, and by extension the Greater Will , using Marika/Radagons body as a literal weapon. The theology/philosophy of becoming ones own god also came to mind. What if this dude is also the one who fled Placidusax? If he figured out his fate was to become a weapon for another entity, that might be a good reason to bail on the Greater Will, yeah?
they can easly be Marika and Radegon and the lands between is just a "dream world" a projection, a purgatory between "real" and death realm... infinit theorys plus Miquella have the power to travel between the realms in the form of Melina
I’ve watched bits and pieces of his stuff it’s super good! I’ve also had a few conversations with him and he’s as chill and cool in conversations as he is in his videos!
I really liked this video, but I think you would gain significant insight into the Nameless Eternal City if you hit the "switch to above ground"-button on the map and ponder the city planning of what's above.
I'm I the only one that belives Godwin is visualized as Anamorphosis? In Stormveil Castle upside down (look for the body), in Deeproot Depths from Entry (left) to far right of the arena.
Cheers man that really means alot! Thats perfectly fine dont worry! I think constructive criticism is super important, with it, it gives you the opportunity to improve you're content, IMO its invaluable!
its been mentioned that originally there were going to be multiple dlc's I bet godwyns corpse in deeproot depths would have been an entrance to one of the dlcs previously
So, the whole thing with godwyn is that he was killed and his rune of death removed and broken. Where he is now is the roots of the erdtree. That's ( as far as i'm aware) Also where he was killed. He essentially became death and attached himself to the roots of the tree, slowly killing it from below. But, it's not exactly... HIM doing it. If you continue on with the interactions fia, it's actually a dragon within the subconscious. The reason why fia is there is because she doesn't want descrimination between those who cannot pass on and those who're still living. Those who're in death are there because of godwyn infecting things with well....death.
I believe the veiled lady in the portrait in the Gloom-Eyed Queen and the Deathbed Companions take on her robes as they are from an order that the GEQ founded. That there is a Numen culture that worshipped Death with the GEQ as the God of the previous Age that served another Outer God than the Greater Will. Then the Greater Will empowered Marika and gave her Maliketh to seal the Death Rune that empowered the GEQ. I believe that the GEQ is Marika's older sister or mother and the betrayal in the DLC story trailer is Marika betraying her kin for the power of the Elden Ring. This sets Marika's pattern of abuse for her own family for Marika's own ends.
By this theory, Ghostflame is the remnents of the Black Flame of Death that the GEQ and the Godkin once wielded. Now all those who Live in Death can access this weakened version of what was once the Black Glory.
I wasssss, the ghost flame is the Helphin. Imo I disagree, we only have like 2 item descriptions or so for it, and the death birds are mysterious as fuckkkkk
the bloody frogs and headless soldiers are created after the death of Godwyn. So I believe that they are not originated from the Deeproot eternal city. And the eternal city has nothing to do with Godwyn either. I think the city was ruined long ago, and Godwyn was brought here later after his daeth, because his people wanted him to have the erdtree burial.
Those are not the old man's bones. He's been skewered by something golden - you can see it coming out under his rib cage (cage not gold) and sticking out of his face. I think a great question is what is that he was skewered with and why? (edit: I see comments below about it being an erd tree sapling... that's cool... why?) It's golden, so it's after when Marika brings in the golden (?). Did Marika kill her own father?
What if Marika used to be a Deathbed companion? emboldened by the flame of ambition. What if she was not satisfied with her role in the world, so she found a way to keep the crusty man "alive", or found a way to make him suffer after using him and then threw him away, like Marika does to everyone. In my theory Godfrey did not sire any healthy children, only Omen, one of the reasons for his banishment. This led Marika to sire Radagon off of herself as her perfect counterpart. Sending Radagon to fuck Rennala to quell the war between the Golden Order and Raya Lucaria and then destroy her mentally. Since Godfrey was a barbarian who got to be a Lord by the degree of Marika and not a true royalty, resulting in the Omen children. I think Godwyn was the child of that crusty spineman, hence one of the only descendants with golden hair, Miquella is an exception, but we know that the M series of Marikas children are Radagons offspring.
Night of the black knives sounds very alike to that hitler coup night of the long knives So perhaps godwyns death was a way to secure marikas way to the top somehow I personally think that person is who predates marika for the crucible, but not her father
I recently found out from a comment, unfortunately, the half brother thing is false, it’s actually a mistranslation, in the Japanese text it says “oath sworn brother”, sorry for the misunderstanding!
The sacred relic sword literally is radagon. It’s the same kind of sword as the finger slayer blade. Radagon is even doing the t-pose with one arm in on the sword. Also maliketh isn’t marikas half brother. He’s her shadow given to her by the greater will, like blaidd to ranni. Also (again) the land of shadow we’ve been told is where marika and likely the other numen first set foot. And the ships in the blue area in the trailer are what they took to get here. They look just like the ships on the obelisks we light in the siofra river. They have a story carved into them telling about the coming of the numen. Also the nox are believed to be numen or descendants of the numen. That’s likely why the ants have numen runes.
the crucible knight stands inside an ''opened'' tree that is crazy similar to the one that marika is in the story trailer could it be there where she stole the strings we see?
I have a theory~maybe...Malenia, Miquella, Melina, Rani, Millicent,Mesmer, and so on just same entity --- i think they all one identity which is...Marika.
